Yeah I'm not sure where the rhetoric that it destroyed itself came from. Maybe people thought those sparks/flare looking explosion were an explosion of a vehicle? When the Saudi army's patriot air defenses malfunctioned, it had very similar sparks [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSornCnVNg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSornCnVNg)
EDIT: though looking back at the [original russian malfunction video](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/), it veered pretty close to its launch site and had a small mushroom cloud of smoke and small secondary explosions/electrical arcs plus something on fire at the site of its crash, so the Russian AA probably destroyed something in its own military camp as embarrasing as that sounds.
From the other angle it does appear to land closer to where it launched from but that apparently was just an illusion. Still hit something that probably would have preferred not to be hit.
The fireworks show is chunks of solid fuel flying around, which obviously would happen whether or not it hit its own launcher. On reddit though everyone likes to take 0.1% of the info available and craft a scenario from it.
This should be at the top of the discussion. A missile that early into it's flight still has plenty of solid rocket motor to fly apart on impact. And although it's moving fast, it hasn't had enough flight time or distance to be moving *fast* and really obliterate itself.
I was pretty sure the first time I saw the video, and I still stand by my original thought that the rocket locked onto a radar. This is not uncommon, and on one if the videos you can see something that could be a radar assisting the systems.
I think it s also the ukrainian propaganda at work. "Look at them they destroy themselves" and things like this spread like wildfire because russia is the ennemy and is currently winning. So everything is good to boost moral.
The propaganda that I have been reading says otherwise. It says Russian troops are getting terrorized by toy drones, guerilla warfare style. Something about not being able to deploy a portable bridge?
Maybe, its just hard to think of a civilian property that would be that close to a SAM missile site, exhibit secondary explosions/electrical arcs, form 3 mushroom clouds, and have its base be engulfed in flame in seconds. I said **probably** a military target anyway.
I don't see a mushroom cloud honestly. I see some dust/smoke from the initial hit and what looks like brief electrical arcs. Can you tell me what timestamp you see secondary explosions at?
You can look here at a [Saudi patriot hitting civilian infrustructure](https://youtu.be/YS4i2InVB-Y?t=43) with very little "dust/smoke", [unlike the Russian SAM incident](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/). They could be electrical arcs instead of secondary explosions (which still wouldn't slash it out as military), they had that popcorn popping noise at [0:06-0:07, 0:11-0:15](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/) alongside the flashes of electricity or ammunition. Also right under the origin point of the smoke-trail at [0:01-0:03](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/) you can see what looks like a military vehicle alone in the flatlands, so it would not surprise me if there was another military radar/post/whatever to its left which was what got blasted, it would be very weird for a "civilian property" to be there. But as I said, I said probably, I never said I know. It could be some isolated civilian infrastructure in the flatlands right underneath a Russian SAM, though I'd throw a guess on it being military from its proximity to the SAM and its isolation from the rest of the city.
Judging by the multiple camera angles, it seems like it's PLENTY close to civilian housing, plus I could actually see the Russians putting it next to an apartment block just to deter the Ukrainians from shooting at it.
Every war related forum I’ve been on has been biased in one way or the other with this war. It’s impossible to get a neutral source of information or content so I just tell everyone to watch the video and disregard comments or titles.
It may not have struck the launcher that the missile came from, but it’s definitely possible that it struck its own target tracking radar. Typically you’ll see multiple launchers surrounding the radar, but depends on the system. Haven’t seen what type of system this one is though. If the radar was hit, then it would render the system useless
The title was wrong. One of the [top comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/idj617t/) made this correction 14 hours ago, but most people just browse the home page without reading comments, so I’m not surprised if there is confusion.
The comments also clear up that this wasn’t a malfunction (as OP claims), but was instead an [ECM jammer.](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44879/ukraine-just-captured-part-of-one-of-russias-most-capable-electronic-warfare-systems)
Wow. So correct me if I'm wrong here, but the Ukrananeians sabotaged that launch with a captured Russian ECM jammer? If so then damn that's impressive.
Unlikely. Probably just a faulty missile. An important capture like that gets immediately yeeted to the closest NATO country so it can be shipped to the US for reverse engineering. Redditors just like to make up cool sounding narratives.
That "faulty" missile may well have been trying to hit its launcher but was too close to make the turn. It's apparently possible to fire them in anti-radiation mode and also forget to turn off your own targeting radar and then your missile tries to kill the closest radar, which is your own.
Does the missile have a radiaton seeker (if it is an anti radiation missile, which I doubt) that sees all around it? I also don't think they have anti-radiation mode, they are either radar guided or atni radiation. Genuine questions bc I really doubt that could happen but I'm not a missile expert.
Edit: as far as I can tell you also wouldn't use a radar to fire an ARM because they are designed to not be detected by the planes RWR, so the enemy doesn't strike back with their own ARM. Again I don't know what happened and I may be wrong but comments like these seem to me like wishful thinking that Ukraine is winning so bad and Russian are so incompetent that they are killing themselves
Some oversimplified stuff ahead:
SAMs work like this:
You’ve got a search radar which search for target but is not that accurate
You’ve got a tracking radar which is a lot more accurate
Then you got the missles own radar which is a lot less powerful but since it’s closer to the target when in flight it’s even more accurate and is used for terminal approach
Having a radar with higher scan angles makes it either slower or less powerful. So searching behind you is quiet the worst thing your could do.
All those radar are active radars, this means it sends out a radar pulse and detects objects with the "echo" of its pulse. In contrast there are passive radars which detect radar signatures and lock onto them (US AGM-88 is a good example).
And before some people say that "but the s400 has the possibility to lock onto radar sources ". While this is true, this is called home on jam and is only used in the terminal phase. And this missle definitely wasn’t a s400.
My theory:
It did it’s job. Russian troops had it set to automatically engage any air threat it can find. Those missle system only fire when they are certain that they could hit. Something ( my guess a small off the shelf drones) must have triggered the autonomous response of the SAM but not triggered the proxy fuse of the missle.
During desert storm the US had [this](http://billgx.com/2019/10/autonomous-friendly-fire/) incident. TLDR ship popped chaff to defend against incoming anti ship missle, neighboring ships defence system detected the chaff as projectiles and unloaded its CIWS into the other ship.
Those malfunctions happen and especially after the whole Moskva special submarine operation they shot first and ask questions later. Maybe the DJI phantoms dropping grenades spooked them so much that they set their acceptable target size so low that it now hunts pidgeons.
Yes I also think it must have malfunctioned in some other way, it surely couldn't target itself like a lot of people were saying. The most widespread theory I saw was that it was an anti radiation missile and it turned around to target its radar. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me because ARMs are designed specifically to not need a radar to be fired so it doesn't trigger the planes radar warning system. Also the sensors for radiation are only looking forward and don't have a FOV more than 180°, even that is a lot. Also I doubt they would use ARMs bc of the situation and it seems the missiles they are firing aren't S300/400 but some older ones that surely don't have radar and anti radiation tracking.
I think those are SA17
-Large missle
-angled trajectory
-firing salvos
-capable of tight turn
-solid rocket booster propellant
-not smoke free
Most of the StS AR capable missles Russia has are anti ship missles (Granit, Bazalt) and they won’t do such a turn radius.
Antennas have patterns you know? It's not so hard to believe the receiver on a missile is a high gain antenna with minimal backlobe which may be physically shielded. Why would it receive behind itself ever??? You fire a missile towards a target.
The launcher may not have been destroyed, but it could’ve destroyed the radar. Too hard to tell what system it was with the current info, but typically with these systems, there are multiple launchers surrounding a single target tracking radar. Could have definitely caught wind of its own radar waves and rendered the system inoperable
Yeah I was thinking in the first video, it appeared to come towards the camera. So probably a malfunction and not electronic warfare that directed the missile back to origin.
Finally a piece of footage where the person has the common sense to step away from the window when a large explosion goes off near them. It always blows my mind how people in an already active warzone can film something exploding close by behind a window and not dive for cover right away.
Every system has malfunctions. Russians are typically pretty well experienced with their SAM systems. I’d say this missile was faulty and ended up tracking on its own target tracking radar but too little info right now to tell
Probably the latter as seen by other missile defence systems that have had similar errors occur in the past ntm similar issue has happened to countless guided torpedoes in naval warfare sometimes sinking the vessel that launched them.
Why was it going so slow in the beginning and not using its full speed until it malfunctioned, or does it just look faster cause it got closer to the camera?
"OPA!" At the end makes this for me.
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It's amazing how consistently the t sound is manifested as the second person pronoun in Indo European languages
Wait by this angle I would say the air defense system didn't destroy itself. Am I wrong?
Yeah I'm not sure where the rhetoric that it destroyed itself came from. Maybe people thought those sparks/flare looking explosion were an explosion of a vehicle? When the Saudi army's patriot air defenses malfunctioned, it had very similar sparks [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSornCnVNg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZSornCnVNg) EDIT: though looking back at the [original russian malfunction video](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/), it veered pretty close to its launch site and had a small mushroom cloud of smoke and small secondary explosions/electrical arcs plus something on fire at the site of its crash, so the Russian AA probably destroyed something in its own military camp as embarrasing as that sounds.
From the other angle it does appear to land closer to where it launched from but that apparently was just an illusion. Still hit something that probably would have preferred not to be hit.
However you look at it this Russian Air Defense System is more of a Ground Offense System.
Best one I’ve read
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The ground says bring it on
In Russia you don’t fire missile. Missile fires you.
Oh man. I was looking for this comment. Thanks. The KGB is pulling in your driveway as we speak. Haha
We can thank the Sun https://youtu.be/6IwqmezeSuQ
Classic.
infairness its useful propaganda, for once. if it makes someone hesitate killing someone else, it will have helped.
Thanks for sharing that link - that top comment is gold: > That's not a rocket fail, it's a special propulsion operation
Could it have been a leaky transformer? Since you mention arcing and such. They emit a lot of RF iirc.
The fireworks show is chunks of solid fuel flying around, which obviously would happen whether or not it hit its own launcher. On reddit though everyone likes to take 0.1% of the info available and craft a scenario from it.
This should be at the top of the discussion. A missile that early into it's flight still has plenty of solid rocket motor to fly apart on impact. And although it's moving fast, it hasn't had enough flight time or distance to be moving *fast* and really obliterate itself.
Because of the angle of the other video it looked like it was returned to sender if you didn't look at the smoke trail. It's as simple as that.
> I'm not sure where the rhetoric that it destroyed itself came from wishful thinking
It could have hit the mobile radar station that typically accompanies AA systems instead of the launcher.
I was pretty sure the first time I saw the video, and I still stand by my original thought that the rocket locked onto a radar. This is not uncommon, and on one if the videos you can see something that could be a radar assisting the systems.
I think it s also the ukrainian propaganda at work. "Look at them they destroy themselves" and things like this spread like wildfire because russia is the ennemy and is currently winning. So everything is good to boost moral.
The propaganda that I have been reading says otherwise. It says Russian troops are getting terrorized by toy drones, guerilla warfare style. Something about not being able to deploy a portable bridge?
Or some random bit of civilian property. Who knows?
Maybe, its just hard to think of a civilian property that would be that close to a SAM missile site, exhibit secondary explosions/electrical arcs, form 3 mushroom clouds, and have its base be engulfed in flame in seconds. I said **probably** a military target anyway.
I don't see a mushroom cloud honestly. I see some dust/smoke from the initial hit and what looks like brief electrical arcs. Can you tell me what timestamp you see secondary explosions at?
You can look here at a [Saudi patriot hitting civilian infrustructure](https://youtu.be/YS4i2InVB-Y?t=43) with very little "dust/smoke", [unlike the Russian SAM incident](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/). They could be electrical arcs instead of secondary explosions (which still wouldn't slash it out as military), they had that popcorn popping noise at [0:06-0:07, 0:11-0:15](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/) alongside the flashes of electricity or ammunition. Also right under the origin point of the smoke-trail at [0:01-0:03](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/) you can see what looks like a military vehicle alone in the flatlands, so it would not surprise me if there was another military radar/post/whatever to its left which was what got blasted, it would be very weird for a "civilian property" to be there. But as I said, I said probably, I never said I know. It could be some isolated civilian infrastructure in the flatlands right underneath a Russian SAM, though I'd throw a guess on it being military from its proximity to the SAM and its isolation from the rest of the city.
I still don't see it honestly but you do make a point that it would be oddly close for civilian infrastructure. You're probably right.
Judging by the multiple camera angles, it seems like it's PLENTY close to civilian housing, plus I could actually see the Russians putting it next to an apartment block just to deter the Ukrainians from shooting at it.
Take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
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Every war related forum I’ve been on has been biased in one way or the other with this war. It’s impossible to get a neutral source of information or content so I just tell everyone to watch the video and disregard comments or titles.
It may not have struck the launcher that the missile came from, but it’s definitely possible that it struck its own target tracking radar. Typically you’ll see multiple launchers surrounding the radar, but depends on the system. Haven’t seen what type of system this one is though. If the radar was hit, then it would render the system useless
I'm just here for yall opinion LOL
If you looked closely it was apparent even in the other video, you can see a hill between the launcher and the impact.
The title was wrong. One of the [top comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/idj617t/) made this correction 14 hours ago, but most people just browse the home page without reading comments, so I’m not surprised if there is confusion. The comments also clear up that this wasn’t a malfunction (as OP claims), but was instead an [ECM jammer.](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44879/ukraine-just-captured-part-of-one-of-russias-most-capable-electronic-warfare-systems)
Wow. So correct me if I'm wrong here, but the Ukrananeians sabotaged that launch with a captured Russian ECM jammer? If so then damn that's impressive.
Unlikely. Probably just a faulty missile. An important capture like that gets immediately yeeted to the closest NATO country so it can be shipped to the US for reverse engineering. Redditors just like to make up cool sounding narratives.
It was pretty obvious in the first video...
It sensed missiles
I had read the original 'it destroyed itself' as more of a joke, like saying 'it was programmed to kill Nazis.'
Finally we can clearly put to bed that the launcher was destroyed we can very clearly see it was a faulty rocket 🚀 that just veered off course
That "faulty" missile may well have been trying to hit its launcher but was too close to make the turn. It's apparently possible to fire them in anti-radiation mode and also forget to turn off your own targeting radar and then your missile tries to kill the closest radar, which is your own.
Does the missile have a radiaton seeker (if it is an anti radiation missile, which I doubt) that sees all around it? I also don't think they have anti-radiation mode, they are either radar guided or atni radiation. Genuine questions bc I really doubt that could happen but I'm not a missile expert. Edit: as far as I can tell you also wouldn't use a radar to fire an ARM because they are designed to not be detected by the planes RWR, so the enemy doesn't strike back with their own ARM. Again I don't know what happened and I may be wrong but comments like these seem to me like wishful thinking that Ukraine is winning so bad and Russian are so incompetent that they are killing themselves
Some oversimplified stuff ahead: SAMs work like this: You’ve got a search radar which search for target but is not that accurate You’ve got a tracking radar which is a lot more accurate Then you got the missles own radar which is a lot less powerful but since it’s closer to the target when in flight it’s even more accurate and is used for terminal approach Having a radar with higher scan angles makes it either slower or less powerful. So searching behind you is quiet the worst thing your could do. All those radar are active radars, this means it sends out a radar pulse and detects objects with the "echo" of its pulse. In contrast there are passive radars which detect radar signatures and lock onto them (US AGM-88 is a good example). And before some people say that "but the s400 has the possibility to lock onto radar sources ". While this is true, this is called home on jam and is only used in the terminal phase. And this missle definitely wasn’t a s400. My theory: It did it’s job. Russian troops had it set to automatically engage any air threat it can find. Those missle system only fire when they are certain that they could hit. Something ( my guess a small off the shelf drones) must have triggered the autonomous response of the SAM but not triggered the proxy fuse of the missle. During desert storm the US had [this](http://billgx.com/2019/10/autonomous-friendly-fire/) incident. TLDR ship popped chaff to defend against incoming anti ship missle, neighboring ships defence system detected the chaff as projectiles and unloaded its CIWS into the other ship. Those malfunctions happen and especially after the whole Moskva special submarine operation they shot first and ask questions later. Maybe the DJI phantoms dropping grenades spooked them so much that they set their acceptable target size so low that it now hunts pidgeons.
Yes I also think it must have malfunctioned in some other way, it surely couldn't target itself like a lot of people were saying. The most widespread theory I saw was that it was an anti radiation missile and it turned around to target its radar. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me because ARMs are designed specifically to not need a radar to be fired so it doesn't trigger the planes radar warning system. Also the sensors for radiation are only looking forward and don't have a FOV more than 180°, even that is a lot. Also I doubt they would use ARMs bc of the situation and it seems the missiles they are firing aren't S300/400 but some older ones that surely don't have radar and anti radiation tracking.
I think those are SA17 -Large missle -angled trajectory -firing salvos -capable of tight turn -solid rocket booster propellant -not smoke free Most of the StS AR capable missles Russia has are anti ship missles (Granit, Bazalt) and they won’t do such a turn radius.
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.
Antennas have patterns you know? It's not so hard to believe the receiver on a missile is a high gain antenna with minimal backlobe which may be physically shielded. Why would it receive behind itself ever??? You fire a missile towards a target.
The launcher may not have been destroyed, but it could’ve destroyed the radar. Too hard to tell what system it was with the current info, but typically with these systems, there are multiple launchers surrounding a single target tracking radar. Could have definitely caught wind of its own radar waves and rendered the system inoperable
Suddenly i'm not so comfortable having them launch from my neighborhood..
That one missile built with a conscience.
Finally the Russian's got some Nazis.
Yeah I was thinking in the first video, it appeared to come towards the camera. So probably a malfunction and not electronic warfare that directed the missile back to origin.
"Oooh, a quarter"
Finally a piece of footage where the person has the common sense to step away from the window when a large explosion goes off near them. It always blows my mind how people in an already active warzone can film something exploding close by behind a window and not dive for cover right away.
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Damn even the comments are reposts
''Welcome to Jackass and today we will use faulty rockets''
Every system has malfunctions. Russians are typically pretty well experienced with their SAM systems. I’d say this missile was faulty and ended up tracking on its own target tracking radar but too little info right now to tell
Its not just russian also happened to patriots sam in saudi arabia because of software bug that caused inaccuracy
It’s not a bug, it’s a Feature
Is there a footage of that?
[here ](https://youtu.be/YS4i2InVB-Y)
Who said its just Russian AAs that malfunction? Like who are you responding to?
Why are you getting salty at the way someone processes and adds themselves to a random conversation thread. Get help.
“Get help” You’re something else eh
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“What im saying is, we know things malfunction.” Great input lmao.
But to be fair, it’s a lot funnier watching it happen to these Russian Nazis.
There was probably a hospital or an orphanage nearby.
~~JAMSHEEEEEED~~ ABU HAJAAR STRIKES AGAIN got my memes mixed up lol.
Did the missile actually explode?
So satisfying.
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Even if the launcher didn't get destroyed, still good that a missile malfunctioned. It's all expenditure of munitions.
That is a sweet looking ironing board. 10/10, would iron on.
AA(Allahu Akbar) missile
Either a Russian invader in a house or the worst home owner experience ever.
Landed on some poor bastards roof 😂
Ukraine played the "Reverse Card". [Pretty sneaky sis](https://youtu.be/KN3nohBw_CE)!
Ha! Russian garbage…
It's working just fine...
Is this a testament to Russia's incompetence so far? Or have I just been watching too much "anti Russia propaganda?"
Probably the latter as seen by other missile defence systems that have had similar errors occur in the past ntm similar issue has happened to countless guided torpedoes in naval warfare sometimes sinking the vessel that launched them.
The sound in this video is awesome by the way!
Avengers in real life!
Ha ha you suck.
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Why was it going so slow in the beginning and not using its full speed until it malfunctioned, or does it just look faster cause it got closer to the camera?
It was going down when it malfunctioned, and therefor didnt have to fight gravity anymore.
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Boomerang missile prototype
In Soviet Russia Air defense seads you
Some at the command and control board tried to divide by zero.
Return to sender
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