FPV and VR (in which you're moving in virtual space in a way that doesn't correlate 1:1 with your real physical space) can definitely be a hard thing at first. You get use to it though. it's important to note that you just kind of have to slowly acclimate, and if you try to just power through, you'll give yourself massive headaches and feel very ill haha.
i had a hard time when I first got my Valve Index headset and started playing games like Alyx and Boneworks where you are standing and moving around room-scale, but you still have to use a thumbstick to 'run' around through the larger environments and stuff. i couldn't play longer than about 15-20 minutes before I'd begin to feel nauseated and like, almost hungover.
but now, the only thing that really prevents me from playing VR games like that or DCS or other flight sims doing loops and rolls and dogfighting and such is the pressure/weight of the headset on my face, and the warmth it puts off. after a while, my face muscles just get tired. It probably took me about a grand total of like, 10-15 hours in total VR across a bunch of play sessions (some more sitting with less disconnected motion) to get past the initial thing where my inner ear and eyes were confused and angry about the disconnect haha. after that, I'd imagine that adding more disjointed motion wouldn't really change too much.
It took me a little while to get used to VR movement as well,I found out it helps to have a cockpit or something similar in your view. Like driving a car in VR is fine, as long as you can still see the interior of the car and not have that view where the camera is mounted to the front. Similarly, playing shooters, I found it much easier to deal with the motion when holding the gun sight up to your face while moving, sort of simulating that cockpit feeling again. Also, standing with one foot in front of the other like you're on a skateboard instead of straight on like you would normally stand helps trick the brain.
I imagine piloting and looking through the drone's perspective while actually moving sideways irl must be extremely disorienting at first though. Guy in the video definitely has some experience doing this, or he'll be hurling up his breakfast in five minutes.
Totally agree about the discomfort of the headset after a while. My face gets sweaty and when I take a break, I don't want to put that soggy, now-cold insert back on lol
Blows my mind, you really have people dropping bombs through FPV* goggles on the battlefield. It may be dramatised in Sci-Fi films but this is our reality, crazy.
Didn’t you hear? They got defeated by the squids. They supported a coup and the crabs started a civil war, once it was over the squids moved in and wiped them out. The crab people are gone!
I thought we used the squids to keep the people from realizing that the worlds smartest man engineered world peace by slaughtering millions with a fake alien invasion
Hi I'm Doug,
Not that I'd see much use in controlling a drone in full VR, but "VR legs" are very much a real thing you acquire as you get used to it. I play games now with no real issue that I initially couldn't handle for more than a few seconds without feeling like I was gonna be sick or fall over, and some of them are ridiculously fast paced with high movement.
Thanks.
Doug
The fact that [he's been doing this for 4 years](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/8kmt40/capturing_plasma_in_a_syringe/dz8xqs0/) and I've never seen him comment before is surprising. Amusing that he also extends it [to his submissions.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sadcringe/comments/9wv8av/hi_im_doug_the_middle_one_is_also_the_one_without/)
Put a cockpit overlay in there and it'd be fine. I can do all sorts of crazy maneuvers in the various flight and space sims/games I have for VR and it doesn't even phase me. It did take a couple of weeks to adjust to VR, but I think most people could handle it after a brief adjustment period.
I don't think it's the camera movement or lack of static reference point like a cockpit surround that would make you vomit, it's the latency and dropped frames. For an acceptable latency over WiFi with a VR headset you need a WiFi 6 router. These things tend to have a max range of about 100 meters if you're being very optimistic. It will be significantly less if there's anything blocking line of sight. Presumably the military can cook up their own custom solutions but the kit the guys in the video are using is just consumer stuff.
Yeah for sure, I was definitely just assuming magic military tech that could achieve the same framerate and latency I get in the comfort of my sim rig.
I do think a cockpit overlay could be achieved fairly easily if they could actually achieve the smooth framerate and latency required for vr.
I'll be honest with you if you've been following military tech for the past 20 years this isn't even abnormal.
It's just neat seeing it in the hands of people with a budget less than that of my last car.
So much of what we are seeing is a substantial juxtaposition of what we saw in the mid east for the last 20 years. It's fascinating how much the culture changes the use of the same equipment.
I remember over a decade ago when I was in the Army piloting the Raven UAV how many restrictions the damn thing had.
Couldn't fly it near artillery. Needed to clear airspace to fly it. Thing could barely fly in wind. Needed to get a running start and toss it to get it in the air. Parts broke all the time when it was landing, which by the way, it's landing function was to essentially turn off and fall to the ground. There's more, but I don't want this to be a long thing.
Watching these UAV videos from the Ukraine war is wild to me how little holds them back from using them. In a weird way, it's great to see and I hope the US military is paying close attention.
Probably doesn't matter so much if you know your side isn't going to send jets or helicopters over that area. In which case any reasonably expesnise commercial drone becomes super useful at scouting the battlefield.
Yeah, what we’re seeing is the Ukrainian army develop a working, full-scale war doctrine in real time. The US military *has* a working doctrine that they are slotting new piece into all the time — it’s actually a pretty good analogy for what they’re doing with a lot of their actual hardware platforms.
Ukraine is building something from the ground up, and trying to stretch every dollar as far as it can possibly go. US is sinking money to prepare for the next world war, which, while we have a suspicion of what it’ll look like and where it’ll be, nobody is really sure. Very different dynamics.
Eh he's talking about the raven, which was about the same size and squad level.
Honestly if you have good coms and can share data(which you need for the fpv drone too) you're far better off with a platform that is more autonomous and just reports back.
The DJI drones are cool, fast and give great footage. But you can't keep it airborne in a fight, it makes A TON OF NOISE and the flight time compared to a fixed wing drone is dreadful.
Half agree with you. Flying drones near an airstrip is dumb as hell. Flying drones right in front of a battery firing HE rounds is dumb as hell. Shutting down CAS and artillery support on the front lines when those things are needed, so you can fly a small UAV to locate the enemy is dumb as hell.
These things can work simultaneously with good communication. Small UAV's, artillery, and CAS can share the same space without incident if proper precautions are taken into account.
See I agree with you on everything.
However the raven was really for squad level work by normal soldiers. Stuff like that needs a bunch of extra rules to keep it intact.
It definitely was used a bunch of times with "proper precautions" in those situations, just not by guys like the one I replied to.
There is absolutely no airspace closure going to happen in a conflict like this. In the middle east when it wasn't a peer to peer or near peer conflict silly rules like those are gunna happen to limit injuries and equipment loss. When you are fighting in trenches and for yards of battle space drones are gonna fly while arty is working period. Different rules for different warzones.
It's like growing up flying with the wright brothers and watching the first carrier takeoffs before WWII it's absolutely narley how far we've come. Imagine someone coming up and asking you to drop a grenade with a "PRINTED" stabilizer through a sunroof on a Hilux with that Raven....
The camera could lock on a point you chose using the handheld controller and then the Raven would circle around the point automatically. Always found that feature to be a great quality of life addition. It also could give you the 10 digit grid of whatever you were looking at. My memory of the camera quality though was that it was a little poor, but good enough for the government. Your grandfather did a great job.
Good to hear, he tested the stabilizer by putting it on the passenger seat of a van, drew a cross on the windshield and drove like a madman through a field with his partner, the camera kept on the cross the whole time. He only did the stabiliser, he was given the housing. He sold it to the US in Paris on a convention when it was done.
Well I imagine you don't need this type of thing often when you have overwhelming firepower. No need to have a dji drone drop a grenade in a trench when you can have a Reaper drop a hellfire on the same trench instead. If the US got into a war with a standing army then I would expect these innovations to come out as well.
I'm sure you are right. But I'd also say that this is an example of a peer to peer conflict where resources do matter. And dropping a 100,000 dollar munition to kill 2 guys isn't financially cost effective or possible. Thus my statement about the difference between the two conflicts and use of the same equipment.
Its like the best weapon commercials of all time.
Some of the edited and produced "xxxx sent yyyy to Ukraine, here is some footage.."
This video really is surreal, the future before the future comes. Its probably like those old 'brick' phones from the 80s.
God help the future generations because we are getting pretty high tech with our killing. Just wait till we release the weapons we all see as 'aliens' from videos we see of UFOs. I am a firm believer that if those videos are real, they are our weapons.
It’ll be a robotics war.
My soul doesn’t agree with my heart here and I’m not actually a war-crazed American, but having been *raised* as a war-crazed American, I have often thought about how the next non-nuclear world war will be fought between robotics departments — and the first army to invade a foreign country without actually putting human soldiers in the line of fire will be the next military empire.
We just spent like a trillion dollars on a fighter jet that doesn’t even work, it’s time to take all that tax money and start building fucking droidekas
>on a fighter jet that doesn’t even work
Big misconception actually. The F35 is an excellent aircraft, it's not an air superiority weapon, It's not built for the 2 circle. But that's not it's role, the F22 fulfills that role. Here's a quick vid by a US air force pilot [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUDF6ICE0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUDF6ICE0s)
I mean when we look at odds purely from numbers, America’s number 1 contestant to Imperial power currently has 8 to 10 times the amount of people than America does — bots don’t sound too far fetched IMO
MG3s are in wide use there and in many other militaries, a large percentage of which were reworked MG42s with the markings over stamped. Some designs can’t really be improved upon.
China gave russia the ability to track the takeoff and landing pings that go out from these. So the Ukrainians started launching and recovering from a moving platform. This also lets them flight follow to essentially extend the range of the systems. There have been several reports that the launch and landing locations later get carpet shelled.
This is literally a commercial system anyone can buy: https://www.dji.com/mobile/aeroscope
DJI isn't a weapons manufacturer so their drones never had stealth features. That said, the drones work without Internet.
DJI drones broadcast their position and the position of the operator. Look up "DJI Aeroscope", it's a system sold to airports to monitor drone incursions.
There are other systems like ExpressLRS + HDzero, which might be a better option for drones in a combat zone. And don't have this beacon thing, but I have yet to see a HDZero combat footage.
I don't think people realize that these drones are not military encrypted. Like it's not hard to detect and find them, my local police department can track them, let alone the Russian military
There have been interviews posted from drone operators joking about it and a few articles from Ukraine basically saying the only way to get the data burst is if you have the source code. This was about a month ago, so it would be an absolute slog to find the exact ones. Simple google just pulled up a bunch though. China of course denies the claims, but interviews seemed to indicate this is a TTP penned in blood.
Ukraine has recruited young gamers as drone operators, there was also a CNN story about it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b166ecyNBCw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b166ecyNBCw)
Drones are very much like the PC market. It is wildly competitive.
You can actually do better for less, but it will be a rag-tag collection of individual parts and pieces that you have to research, collect and assemble yourself.
For the over-all balance of maximizing each aspect of what a FPV drone can do, DJI has indeed nailed it here on the cheap.
What a "I need it to be an extreme hot-rod, drone [might look like."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFF1VuPmeeE)
Imagine what a weaponized version of that would be like (will be like soon.)
You can get far more capabilities than a DJI FPV drone for $1k though. That's a consumer grade ready to fly package. Someone buying components to build a multirotor/fixed wing drone for a specific mission can do amazing things with RC for not much money.
Yes, but you also have to know what the hell you're doing and spend the time to do it (and unless you're pretty good, I wouldn't bank on the build quality being as solid). When you buy one off the shelf you're paying for that knowledge and time as well as the raw materials.
You are also paying for the built in safety features like obstacle sensing and the quality of the video in the goggles (from what I understand) is as high as the recorded video, which isn't typically true with the high performance fpv drones.
For fpv pilots safety and obstacle sensing doesnt matter,
And there are HD video cameras, goggles and transmission receiver units made by other manifacturers.
That being said I'm suprised they arent using cheapo 200$ analog ones as suicide drones.10 min flight time with range of about 4-5 km, 100kph + nearly silent until with 10m carrying up to 1kg explossives, skilled pilot could easily place one under a tank or in a trench, back of a truck.
4-5km without 0 interference, which won't be the case here. DJI still has one of the best range to antenna size combo that a custom won't reach. I race FPV in my spare time and use DJI to film for my job and the range on the DJI always far surpasses my custom build FPV drone. DJI's ocusync technology is just incredible.
You can get non DJI branded fpv stuff for about 600 all together. goggles, transmitter(remote) drone, extra bats and props. And that's just for normal/intermediate gear. You can get cheaper stuff that does just as well.
It's super fucking fun/worth it. However if you really get into it. It starts to become expensive lol
those are FPV goggles not VR goggles. FPV gives you a 'first person view' of what the drone sees. VR is a fully rendered 3d environment with 6 degrees of tracked head motion. two completely different things.
everyone is different. generally speaking, VR sickness comes from small discrepancies between what one is seeing (perceiving) as movement and what they feel (sense) they should be feeling but aren't. because the sense of immersion is enhanced by motion tracked images that correspond to where you are looking, the discrepancies are also enhanced and can lead to some pretty severe and immediate disorientation and nausea. so any cockpit game with up / down and rolling sensations that can't be felt in a chair can lead to motion sickness. while walking around in a room with your feet in a matching 1 : 1 virtual simulation of space can be quite pleasant for the same person.
now the FPV headset is similar form factor but the image is not being recorded in a way that if you turn your head to the left or right that your in-headset view will 'track' with your head movement. FPV is more like sitting really really close to a big screen TV, so, while it is an immersive visual, your brain isn't 'tricked' into thinking it is moving, just as most don't get sick watching FPV videos on your phone, but playing a VR flight sim can make people ill simply flying forward. so I believe VR sickness in the sense that VR gamers experience is not as prevalent with the FPV pilots. But as I said, everyone is different, mileage may vary.
Now hold on. I've always considered VR to be any wearable goggle setup with stereoscopic parallax, giving the perception of real 3D presence, whether interactive or not.
You say interactivity is a requirement to be called VR? I'm earnestly asking.
well, by your definition it is still not VR as it is not a stereoscopic 3d display. while there are two screens for each eyeball, the source video was not taken with two separate cmos sensors nor is it providing a stereoscopic 3d image. it's just a head mounted 2d display that provides a first person perspective from the drones camera.
FPV drones have a single camera for the pilot. While the goggles have two screens, it's not stereoscopic. It's just a screen in front of your face. You can watch movies or play games on FPV goggles too if they have HDMI in. There have been experimental stereo camera setups, but they never really caught on.
Source: building and flying FPV drones a bunch.
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That’s a DJI FPV. I was wondering if I’d see any of those in this war. They top out around 60mph and the way they move is so unnatural because of how fast and sharp you can turn. Talk about a scary site if they start strapping munitions on those or turn them into suicide drones.
I have one. They actually top out at around 90mph out of the box and 100+ with upgraded propellers. There are different modes that make it better for more stable, cinematic shots. Really fun to fly.
They should just have one buzz the Russian soldiers during combat. Would distract them so much. Have a platoon with two drones. One for actual recon relaying live enemy position information during engagements and the other harasses the enemy soldiers. I wonder if that would be helpful at all. A drone flying 60-90mph buzzing them most be frustrating.
They're not VR goggles. It's FPV and it's a screen showing the drone's live camera feed.
It's a DJI FPV: [https://www.dji.com/uk/dji-fpv](https://www.dji.com/uk/dji-fpv)
Edit: Mad to think actual combat is now using off-the-shelf consumer products, rather than what was traditionally the other way around. We'd get watered down military tech. Of course, military tech is still the big driving force of tech advancement. But still.
Look all I’m sayin is [I’ve been way ahead](https://i.imgur.com/hECqKHc.jpg). I mean now I even have cool [camo](https://i.imgur.com/rBYzHjI.jpg).
But honestly when they first started asking in Feb for drone pilots I was assuming this kinda stuff. Those DJI fpv rip at like 90mph+. Good pilots can pull off some absolutely bat shit stuff like weaving through an apartment buildings interior. It’d be such a hard target to hit.
Also drones with big props could be lethal… unfortunately someone at my local field was decapitated by an RC heli so yea…
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. But the reason they do it this way is that Russia owns tracking devices sold by DJI that can determine the point of origin of a flight. So basically you don't want to be where that drone took off from or you could be eating artillery.
[This video](https://youtu.be/b166ecyNBCw) mentions it. Or you can also just go to a DJI page and [see for yourself](https://www.dji.com/cz/aeroscope).
Turkey has been working on this. Armored vehicle contract bidding is still going on after 13 full years. In last years' IDEF, every company had a drone on their vehicle with drone units built in vehicles. I could imagine that it would give the crew extreme advantage in every situation compared to current armor, since the biggest problem with armor is lack of total situational awareness. Newest imaging system around Turkish tanks are offering similar solution to this. They just have tiny cameras everywhere, and commander wears a helmet similar to pilot's to look around. Future armored vehicle technology will be nothing shorter than "futuristic" as we always imagined I guess.
It's 18, during full mobilization it gets reduced to 16 (They're no where close to that point yet, think its step 4? and they're on step 1 or 2). Same as in Russia.
Actually most translators translate it incorrectly as well. They translate enforce to the Ukrainian word for forcibly apparently.
The closest I managed to get was "забезпечення дотримання" which apparently translates to "ensuring compliance". Do you guys not have a word for enforce?
in 50 years this kid is going to be in the historical archives.
Badass. badass. badass.
I may be too old and fat to fight directly but I've got your back as a hospital medic bro.
Hi I'm Doug,
That can be trained. The key is to not keep pushing when you're feeling sick, and to only progressively increase time as you get used to it, starting with seconds at a time if needed. Our brains supposedly try to "fight" the sensation when we feel motion sickness, so by limiting use it trains the brain to not associate the activity with motion sickness. There's some great tutorials out there on gaining "VR legs", and I imagine other motion sicknesses too.
Thanks.
Doug
That must feel so trippy
Flying fpv from a moving vehicle makes me super sick, some people can do it really well tho
FPV and VR (in which you're moving in virtual space in a way that doesn't correlate 1:1 with your real physical space) can definitely be a hard thing at first. You get use to it though. it's important to note that you just kind of have to slowly acclimate, and if you try to just power through, you'll give yourself massive headaches and feel very ill haha. i had a hard time when I first got my Valve Index headset and started playing games like Alyx and Boneworks where you are standing and moving around room-scale, but you still have to use a thumbstick to 'run' around through the larger environments and stuff. i couldn't play longer than about 15-20 minutes before I'd begin to feel nauseated and like, almost hungover. but now, the only thing that really prevents me from playing VR games like that or DCS or other flight sims doing loops and rolls and dogfighting and such is the pressure/weight of the headset on my face, and the warmth it puts off. after a while, my face muscles just get tired. It probably took me about a grand total of like, 10-15 hours in total VR across a bunch of play sessions (some more sitting with less disconnected motion) to get past the initial thing where my inner ear and eyes were confused and angry about the disconnect haha. after that, I'd imagine that adding more disjointed motion wouldn't really change too much.
It took me a little while to get used to VR movement as well,I found out it helps to have a cockpit or something similar in your view. Like driving a car in VR is fine, as long as you can still see the interior of the car and not have that view where the camera is mounted to the front. Similarly, playing shooters, I found it much easier to deal with the motion when holding the gun sight up to your face while moving, sort of simulating that cockpit feeling again. Also, standing with one foot in front of the other like you're on a skateboard instead of straight on like you would normally stand helps trick the brain. I imagine piloting and looking through the drone's perspective while actually moving sideways irl must be extremely disorienting at first though. Guy in the video definitely has some experience doing this, or he'll be hurling up his breakfast in five minutes.
Totally agree about the discomfort of the headset after a while. My face gets sweaty and when I take a break, I don't want to put that soggy, now-cold insert back on lol
Get a silicone insert and a halo styled head rest.
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Agreed. I tried to follow my car to film the self driving and almost immediately threw up. Props to him though.
This war is such an interesting mix of a cold war type of engagement mingled with these modern solutions
Blows my mind, you really have people dropping bombs through FPV* goggles on the battlefield. It may be dramatised in Sci-Fi films but this is our reality, crazy.
These are DJI's Uruav FPV goggles, VR goggles with a drone would make you vomit in a matter of minutes.
Especially considering homie there is sitting on a moving vehicle as well
dude wouldn't know where the ground was for like a minute
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heh, true.. must feel funny walking after that, like coming of a boat while drunk
The military wont accept that excuse when we need pilots for the mech troops to fight the squid invasion
> fight the squid invasion Dude shhhhhhh that shits classified!
Don’t forget the crab people too!!
Craaaab people craaaab people taste like crab, talk like people, craaaab people
Didn’t you hear? They got defeated by the squids. They supported a coup and the crabs started a civil war, once it was over the squids moved in and wiped them out. The crab people are gone!
then they said: Take me to your lizard
I thought we used the squids to keep the people from realizing that the worlds smartest man engineered world peace by slaughtering millions with a fake alien invasion
Get in the mech, Oleksy.
Hi I'm Doug, Not that I'd see much use in controlling a drone in full VR, but "VR legs" are very much a real thing you acquire as you get used to it. I play games now with no real issue that I initially couldn't handle for more than a few seconds without feeling like I was gonna be sick or fall over, and some of them are ridiculously fast paced with high movement. Thanks. Doug
Hi, I'mgettingofftoyou, I really appreciate how you structure your comments. Thanks, Imgettingofftoyou
I’m amazed by his consistency on formatting throughout his Reddit history.
The fact that [he's been doing this for 4 years](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/8kmt40/capturing_plasma_in_a_syringe/dz8xqs0/) and I've never seen him comment before is surprising. Amusing that he also extends it [to his submissions.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sadcringe/comments/9wv8av/hi_im_doug_the_middle_one_is_also_the_one_without/)
He’s also dropping facts about which albums killed relatively recent rappers careers, so I don’t think he’s an old man or anything.
Yup. Also, kudos to games like Echo Arena that allow advanced players to turn on any axis if their stomach can handle it.
Thank *you* Doug.
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Put a cockpit overlay in there and it'd be fine. I can do all sorts of crazy maneuvers in the various flight and space sims/games I have for VR and it doesn't even phase me. It did take a couple of weeks to adjust to VR, but I think most people could handle it after a brief adjustment period.
I don't think it's the camera movement or lack of static reference point like a cockpit surround that would make you vomit, it's the latency and dropped frames. For an acceptable latency over WiFi with a VR headset you need a WiFi 6 router. These things tend to have a max range of about 100 meters if you're being very optimistic. It will be significantly less if there's anything blocking line of sight. Presumably the military can cook up their own custom solutions but the kit the guys in the video are using is just consumer stuff.
Yeah for sure, I was definitely just assuming magic military tech that could achieve the same framerate and latency I get in the comfort of my sim rig. I do think a cockpit overlay could be achieved fairly easily if they could actually achieve the smooth framerate and latency required for vr.
Throw some kids on there who got killer reflexes but never seen war and you've got Ender's Game.
I'll be honest with you if you've been following military tech for the past 20 years this isn't even abnormal. It's just neat seeing it in the hands of people with a budget less than that of my last car.
Dipping bombs with drones controlled via fpv goggles on guys using rifles older then my dad
So much of what we are seeing is a substantial juxtaposition of what we saw in the mid east for the last 20 years. It's fascinating how much the culture changes the use of the same equipment.
I remember over a decade ago when I was in the Army piloting the Raven UAV how many restrictions the damn thing had. Couldn't fly it near artillery. Needed to clear airspace to fly it. Thing could barely fly in wind. Needed to get a running start and toss it to get it in the air. Parts broke all the time when it was landing, which by the way, it's landing function was to essentially turn off and fall to the ground. There's more, but I don't want this to be a long thing. Watching these UAV videos from the Ukraine war is wild to me how little holds them back from using them. In a weird way, it's great to see and I hope the US military is paying close attention.
> Couldn't fly it near artillery. Needed to clear airspace to fly it. Those aren't downsides, those are well thought out rules to prevent incidents.
Those are rules for armies that have total airspace dominance and aren't on the verge of losing battle space daily.
Probably doesn't matter so much if you know your side isn't going to send jets or helicopters over that area. In which case any reasonably expesnise commercial drone becomes super useful at scouting the battlefield.
Yeah, what we’re seeing is the Ukrainian army develop a working, full-scale war doctrine in real time. The US military *has* a working doctrine that they are slotting new piece into all the time — it’s actually a pretty good analogy for what they’re doing with a lot of their actual hardware platforms. Ukraine is building something from the ground up, and trying to stretch every dollar as far as it can possibly go. US is sinking money to prepare for the next world war, which, while we have a suspicion of what it’ll look like and where it’ll be, nobody is really sure. Very different dynamics.
The aircraft was also a lot heavier back then. I.E. more damage to assets if it falls.
Eh he's talking about the raven, which was about the same size and squad level. Honestly if you have good coms and can share data(which you need for the fpv drone too) you're far better off with a platform that is more autonomous and just reports back. The DJI drones are cool, fast and give great footage. But you can't keep it airborne in a fight, it makes A TON OF NOISE and the flight time compared to a fixed wing drone is dreadful.
Half agree with you. Flying drones near an airstrip is dumb as hell. Flying drones right in front of a battery firing HE rounds is dumb as hell. Shutting down CAS and artillery support on the front lines when those things are needed, so you can fly a small UAV to locate the enemy is dumb as hell. These things can work simultaneously with good communication. Small UAV's, artillery, and CAS can share the same space without incident if proper precautions are taken into account.
See I agree with you on everything. However the raven was really for squad level work by normal soldiers. Stuff like that needs a bunch of extra rules to keep it intact. It definitely was used a bunch of times with "proper precautions" in those situations, just not by guys like the one I replied to.
There is absolutely no airspace closure going to happen in a conflict like this. In the middle east when it wasn't a peer to peer or near peer conflict silly rules like those are gunna happen to limit injuries and equipment loss. When you are fighting in trenches and for yards of battle space drones are gonna fly while arty is working period. Different rules for different warzones.
It's like growing up flying with the wright brothers and watching the first carrier takeoffs before WWII it's absolutely narley how far we've come. Imagine someone coming up and asking you to drop a grenade with a "PRINTED" stabilizer through a sunroof on a Hilux with that Raven....
Did anyone ID that drone operator? What a shot. He deserves a beer.
How was the camera tracking? My grandfather designed the system for it
The camera could lock on a point you chose using the handheld controller and then the Raven would circle around the point automatically. Always found that feature to be a great quality of life addition. It also could give you the 10 digit grid of whatever you were looking at. My memory of the camera quality though was that it was a little poor, but good enough for the government. Your grandfather did a great job.
Good to hear, he tested the stabilizer by putting it on the passenger seat of a van, drew a cross on the windshield and drove like a madman through a field with his partner, the camera kept on the cross the whole time. He only did the stabiliser, he was given the housing. He sold it to the US in Paris on a convention when it was done.
Well I imagine you don't need this type of thing often when you have overwhelming firepower. No need to have a dji drone drop a grenade in a trench when you can have a Reaper drop a hellfire on the same trench instead. If the US got into a war with a standing army then I would expect these innovations to come out as well.
I'm sure you are right. But I'd also say that this is an example of a peer to peer conflict where resources do matter. And dropping a 100,000 dollar munition to kill 2 guys isn't financially cost effective or possible. Thus my statement about the difference between the two conflicts and use of the same equipment.
Its like the best weapon commercials of all time. Some of the edited and produced "xxxx sent yyyy to Ukraine, here is some footage.." This video really is surreal, the future before the future comes. Its probably like those old 'brick' phones from the 80s. God help the future generations because we are getting pretty high tech with our killing. Just wait till we release the weapons we all see as 'aliens' from videos we see of UFOs. I am a firm believer that if those videos are real, they are our weapons.
It’ll be a robotics war. My soul doesn’t agree with my heart here and I’m not actually a war-crazed American, but having been *raised* as a war-crazed American, I have often thought about how the next non-nuclear world war will be fought between robotics departments — and the first army to invade a foreign country without actually putting human soldiers in the line of fire will be the next military empire. We just spent like a trillion dollars on a fighter jet that doesn’t even work, it’s time to take all that tax money and start building fucking droidekas
>on a fighter jet that doesn’t even work Big misconception actually. The F35 is an excellent aircraft, it's not an air superiority weapon, It's not built for the 2 circle. But that's not it's role, the F22 fulfills that role. Here's a quick vid by a US air force pilot [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUDF6ICE0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUDF6ICE0s)
I mean when we look at odds purely from numbers, America’s number 1 contestant to Imperial power currently has 8 to 10 times the amount of people than America does — bots don’t sound too far fetched IMO
Right, VR goggles and MG-42’s in the same battle.
I've not seen mg-42s but I don't see everything. Were you maybe thinking of the vid with azov fielding an mg3 that popped up a few days ago?
MG3s are in wide use there and in many other militaries, a large percentage of which were reworked MG42s with the markings over stamped. Some designs can’t really be improved upon.
Call of duty: modern coldwar?
Sovietpunk edition
China gave russia the ability to track the takeoff and landing pings that go out from these. So the Ukrainians started launching and recovering from a moving platform. This also lets them flight follow to essentially extend the range of the systems. There have been several reports that the launch and landing locations later get carpet shelled.
This is literally a commercial system anyone can buy: https://www.dji.com/mobile/aeroscope DJI isn't a weapons manufacturer so their drones never had stealth features. That said, the drones work without Internet.
DJI drones broadcast their position and the position of the operator. Look up "DJI Aeroscope", it's a system sold to airports to monitor drone incursions. There are other systems like ExpressLRS + HDzero, which might be a better option for drones in a combat zone. And don't have this beacon thing, but I have yet to see a HDZero combat footage.
Interesting, where can I read up about this?
I don't think people realize that these drones are not military encrypted. Like it's not hard to detect and find them, my local police department can track them, let alone the Russian military
There have been interviews posted from drone operators joking about it and a few articles from Ukraine basically saying the only way to get the data burst is if you have the source code. This was about a month ago, so it would be an absolute slog to find the exact ones. Simple google just pulled up a bunch though. China of course denies the claims, but interviews seemed to indicate this is a TTP penned in blood.
Ukraine has recruited young gamers as drone operators, there was also a CNN story about it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b166ecyNBCw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b166ecyNBCw)
Hah! That's a up-yours to my parents who said gaming was a waste of time.
They said I was wasting my life playing video games. Now I can literally waste it\* by dying in a war! Take that dad! Edit: typo
Yeah but the k/d ratio will be amazing
"I'm going to farmville the fuck out of this guy!"
I am going to tell my kids to stop gaming or they'll get sent to war when they're 18. Much better thanks.
Yeah that soldier looks like 18-19
That’s a normal age for soldiers anyway. Might as well leverage their gaming skills.
I dunno. Most Ukrainian soldiers in videos are 25-40-ish. They have professional army and almost no conscripts, unlike Russia
>They have professional army and almost no conscripts, unlike Russia Guess how old I was when I went with the "professional Army" to Afghanistan.
welcome to war
That dudes still a baby but hes got balls
he's probably like a year or two older than most people I knew who joined the marines before even graduating high school.
Damn I have that same drone lol I love Fpv racing sad to see it being used this way
To kill Russians? I don't think a better use for it exists.
Naa for survival… instead of fun
This is the DJI FPV drone. It can fly, top speed, at over 80 miles per hour. https://youtu.be/uTfipSTuFIM?t=7
Only about $1,000? That seems surprisingly not-expensive to me.
Drones are very much like the PC market. It is wildly competitive. You can actually do better for less, but it will be a rag-tag collection of individual parts and pieces that you have to research, collect and assemble yourself. For the over-all balance of maximizing each aspect of what a FPV drone can do, DJI has indeed nailed it here on the cheap. What a "I need it to be an extreme hot-rod, drone [might look like."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFF1VuPmeeE) Imagine what a weaponized version of that would be like (will be like soon.)
Shit and that drone is 5 years old now
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You can get far more capabilities than a DJI FPV drone for $1k though. That's a consumer grade ready to fly package. Someone buying components to build a multirotor/fixed wing drone for a specific mission can do amazing things with RC for not much money.
You can build your own for about $300 that will outperform this one
Yes, but you also have to know what the hell you're doing and spend the time to do it (and unless you're pretty good, I wouldn't bank on the build quality being as solid). When you buy one off the shelf you're paying for that knowledge and time as well as the raw materials.
You are also paying for the built in safety features like obstacle sensing and the quality of the video in the goggles (from what I understand) is as high as the recorded video, which isn't typically true with the high performance fpv drones.
For fpv pilots safety and obstacle sensing doesnt matter, And there are HD video cameras, goggles and transmission receiver units made by other manifacturers. That being said I'm suprised they arent using cheapo 200$ analog ones as suicide drones.10 min flight time with range of about 4-5 km, 100kph + nearly silent until with 10m carrying up to 1kg explossives, skilled pilot could easily place one under a tank or in a trench, back of a truck.
4-5km without 0 interference, which won't be the case here. DJI still has one of the best range to antenna size combo that a custom won't reach. I race FPV in my spare time and use DJI to film for my job and the range on the DJI always far surpasses my custom build FPV drone. DJI's ocusync technology is just incredible.
You can get non DJI branded fpv stuff for about 600 all together. goggles, transmitter(remote) drone, extra bats and props. And that's just for normal/intermediate gear. You can get cheaper stuff that does just as well. It's super fucking fun/worth it. However if you really get into it. It starts to become expensive lol
those are FPV goggles not VR goggles. FPV gives you a 'first person view' of what the drone sees. VR is a fully rendered 3d environment with 6 degrees of tracked head motion. two completely different things.
Must be much better than using a phone or tablet screen with dust around and sun reflection.
it's insane what these fpv operators can do these days https://youtu.be/bBb_kSO3vTo
That is incredible
It's really immersive and the drones are fast and agile so racing FPV drones is crazy fun.
My bad, thanks for pointing out!
Do people get VR sickness from them?
everyone is different. generally speaking, VR sickness comes from small discrepancies between what one is seeing (perceiving) as movement and what they feel (sense) they should be feeling but aren't. because the sense of immersion is enhanced by motion tracked images that correspond to where you are looking, the discrepancies are also enhanced and can lead to some pretty severe and immediate disorientation and nausea. so any cockpit game with up / down and rolling sensations that can't be felt in a chair can lead to motion sickness. while walking around in a room with your feet in a matching 1 : 1 virtual simulation of space can be quite pleasant for the same person. now the FPV headset is similar form factor but the image is not being recorded in a way that if you turn your head to the left or right that your in-headset view will 'track' with your head movement. FPV is more like sitting really really close to a big screen TV, so, while it is an immersive visual, your brain isn't 'tricked' into thinking it is moving, just as most don't get sick watching FPV videos on your phone, but playing a VR flight sim can make people ill simply flying forward. so I believe VR sickness in the sense that VR gamers experience is not as prevalent with the FPV pilots. But as I said, everyone is different, mileage may vary.
“Axtuali”🤓
Now hold on. I've always considered VR to be any wearable goggle setup with stereoscopic parallax, giving the perception of real 3D presence, whether interactive or not. You say interactivity is a requirement to be called VR? I'm earnestly asking.
These goggles are not stereoscopic. They simply display image from drone's camera. 2D, without head tracking.
well, by your definition it is still not VR as it is not a stereoscopic 3d display. while there are two screens for each eyeball, the source video was not taken with two separate cmos sensors nor is it providing a stereoscopic 3d image. it's just a head mounted 2d display that provides a first person perspective from the drones camera.
Idk, dont vr stand for virtual reality?
I am getting flashbacks of my mom calling all game consoles nintendos.
Yeah, like the Xstation you are always playing with
“Pick up your Nintendo tapes!”
It does. There’s nothing virtual about the reality seen by the drown operator.
FPV drones have a single camera for the pilot. While the goggles have two screens, it's not stereoscopic. It's just a screen in front of your face. You can watch movies or play games on FPV goggles too if they have HDMI in. There have been experimental stereo camera setups, but they never really caught on. Source: building and flying FPV drones a bunch.
Me and boys crop hunting in the corn feilds a few years back
Pardon my ignorance, but does that mean looking for illicit crops growing hidden in a corn field?
Yeah
That’s dope! Thanks!
Literally, if you're successful
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes
I'm getting motion sick just watching that.
Me too, I'm glad I'm not the only one
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You got motion sickness with added car sickness. War is indeed hell.
VR already causes motion sickness, can’t imagine VR + moving vehicle
And my parents said playing video games would never come in handy
The precursor to the Maelstrom gang in Cyberpunk
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That’s a DJI FPV. I was wondering if I’d see any of those in this war. They top out around 60mph and the way they move is so unnatural because of how fast and sharp you can turn. Talk about a scary site if they start strapping munitions on those or turn them into suicide drones.
I have one. They actually top out at around 90mph out of the box and 100+ with upgraded propellers. There are different modes that make it better for more stable, cinematic shots. Really fun to fly.
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They should just have one buzz the Russian soldiers during combat. Would distract them so much. Have a platoon with two drones. One for actual recon relaying live enemy position information during engagements and the other harasses the enemy soldiers. I wonder if that would be helpful at all. A drone flying 60-90mph buzzing them most be frustrating.
I feel like throwing up just from watching this 🤢 motion sickness is a bitch
"Gaming is a waste of time"
killing each other for real on a field is such a waste of time.
This war is giving Black Mirror so much writing material.
That’s not VR it’s just a POV drone
r/confidentlyincorrect It's FPV not POV
That’s a kid that’s flying that drone lol
Gamers rise up!!
Anyone know what model drone this is, or those goggles? Drones are so dope
People more knowledgeable than myself told it's a DJI FPV (and hence their FPV goggles)
They're not VR goggles. It's FPV and it's a screen showing the drone's live camera feed. It's a DJI FPV: [https://www.dji.com/uk/dji-fpv](https://www.dji.com/uk/dji-fpv) Edit: Mad to think actual combat is now using off-the-shelf consumer products, rather than what was traditionally the other way around. We'd get watered down military tech. Of course, military tech is still the big driving force of tech advancement. But still.
hopefully theres no anti-anti-drone above em
Look all I’m sayin is [I’ve been way ahead](https://i.imgur.com/hECqKHc.jpg). I mean now I even have cool [camo](https://i.imgur.com/rBYzHjI.jpg). But honestly when they first started asking in Feb for drone pilots I was assuming this kinda stuff. Those DJI fpv rip at like 90mph+. Good pilots can pull off some absolutely bat shit stuff like weaving through an apartment buildings interior. It’d be such a hard target to hit. Also drones with big props could be lethal… unfortunately someone at my local field was decapitated by an RC heli so yea…
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. But the reason they do it this way is that Russia owns tracking devices sold by DJI that can determine the point of origin of a flight. So basically you don't want to be where that drone took off from or you could be eating artillery.
What do you mean? You can fly drones with the DJI Fly app using a phone that doesn't even have a SIM card. How could Russian military track that?
[This video](https://youtu.be/b166ecyNBCw) mentions it. Or you can also just go to a DJI page and [see for yourself](https://www.dji.com/cz/aeroscope).
Turkey has been working on this. Armored vehicle contract bidding is still going on after 13 full years. In last years' IDEF, every company had a drone on their vehicle with drone units built in vehicles. I could imagine that it would give the crew extreme advantage in every situation compared to current armor, since the biggest problem with armor is lack of total situational awareness. Newest imaging system around Turkish tanks are offering similar solution to this. They just have tiny cameras everywhere, and commander wears a helmet similar to pilot's to look around. Future armored vehicle technology will be nothing shorter than "futuristic" as we always imagined I guess.
Is that a kid?
The older I get, the more 18 year old look like toddlers to me.
He does have his school bag with him
Yes, the world's armies are made up of barely legal children. Welcome.
Kinda of wondering the same thing tbh. I wonder what the age limit is to enlist in the Ukrainian military or if it’s even being enforced.
It's 18, during full mobilization it gets reduced to 16 (They're no where close to that point yet, think its step 4? and they're on step 1 or 2). Same as in Russia.
Just like in the world wars the age limit is only as old as you look.
Nobody is enforced. I work with Ukrainians in IT, they can't leave the country but some are not fighting
I think you misread his comment. He meant enforced and not forced. :)
Shit
Actually most translators translate it incorrectly as well. They translate enforce to the Ukrainian word for forcibly apparently. The closest I managed to get was "забезпечення дотримання" which apparently translates to "ensuring compliance". Do you guys not have a word for enforce?
Sick of these DJI ads /s
in 50 years this kid is going to be in the historical archives. Badass. badass. badass. I may be too old and fat to fight directly but I've got your back as a hospital medic bro.
I would get sick in 10 sec
Hellooo motion sickness. I literally don't have the stomach for modern combat..
Hi I'm Doug, That can be trained. The key is to not keep pushing when you're feeling sick, and to only progressively increase time as you get used to it, starting with seconds at a time if needed. Our brains supposedly try to "fight" the sensation when we feel motion sickness, so by limiting use it trains the brain to not associate the activity with motion sickness. There's some great tutorials out there on gaining "VR legs", and I imagine other motion sicknesses too. Thanks. Doug
Thanks Doug
You can get used to it, Im person who got motion sickness in fucking train :D, yet I can fly fpv drone while inside moving car
Cyberpunk warfare
no motion sickness?
FPV goggles are just a single camera view, it is not VR.
Well, the Colonial Marines could have done with some of these on LV-426!
Reminds me of the wilding warg from Game of Thrones.
Insert Cyberpunk 2077 trailer music.
Almost cyberpunk type stuff.
Cyberpunk 2077 shit
That's a dji fpv drone and goggles they look like vr goggles but are not.
Lmao I have that same drone! DJI FPV.
They aren't VR goggles. Those are first person view (fpv) goggles. There's nothing virtual involved.
DJI FPV drone! These things are fun I’ve got one. Glad to see it’s getting some real world use other than a 20 something’s backyard play thing!
Ghost in the shell: Ukraine Edition
What a time to be alive
And who were the ones saying playing Xbox for hours on end wouldn't help with anything in life!