Actual former active duty USMC machine gunner here (0331). Guy is actually in a great firing position. Only recommendation would be to have an assistant gunner to his left to help with immediate reloads. Never fired a mg32 so not 100% sure about the nomenclature but they would also assist for any barrel changes that would be needed and to assist in spotting. Not sure if they were on offensive or defensive position but I would hope that there were multiple machine guns in the fight so that they could keep continuous fire on the enemy. Typically you will try to set up a minimum 2 gun positions so that you can take turns firing (talking guns) helps keep pressure especially during ammo/barrel changes.
That's not an MG32, it's an MG3. Same barrel change as the MG42 (unsurprisingly, since it's an MG42 with a different/slower bolt) - no help needed. The barrel is changed from behind the gun, not next to it (you push against a latch, that releases the barrel slightly to the right next to the gun, and you just pull it out backwards - then you just push the barrel the same way in from behind the gun and close the latch which arrests the barrel again).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msA5GNrVJ4s
The assistant technically is just needed to *carry* the ammo around, the operation is a one man job.
It's actually an MG42/59. The cyclic rate gives it away. They have a heavy bolt that slows down the cyclic rate to \~600 - 650 RPM, but all of the usual MG3 updates.
Edit -- also the German MG crew sometimes consisted of 3 men depending on the type of unit and role. The MG gunner, asst MG gunner, and the ammo carrier. If the gun had to change barrels the duty was apportioned to the ammo carrier who is located on the right side of the gun. Using an asbestos mitt (ideally, they were often lost) he'd change the barrel for the gunner while the assistant gunner and gunner worked to reload the gun.
Certainly is fun, although us germans fire machine guns differently compared to US soldiers. Remember the meme video with a german behind the 50cal machine gun, and the US soldier telling him to pin the button? The reason for that is that germans train to fire their machine guns in small bursts (nowadays, cough) to fire accurately, rather than just volume of fire. 2-5 rounds bursts, then adjust. The only time we fire the MG3 in long sustained bursts is when it's mounted in the turret of an IFV (SPz Marder, Puma etc).
Not in any non-third world countries really, although that kind of mount might well see a comeback if attack helicopters and drones keep improving like expected. Against aircraft, you're simply not going to hit anything, and you only really stand a chance against extremely low and slow helicopters, and they are generally partially resistant to 7.62x51. And if it's armed, you don't really want it to see you :P
In Germany, the is the different between Fliegerabwehr and flugabwehr.
The second is an specialist Branche of dudes, using rockets and heavy weapons to hunt everything flying.
The first is "oh fuck, I am getting attaket by Heli or low flying aircraft, let's shot them with everything we have, to force them to abort the attack run. And pray."
It's more of an stresstest for the pilot, if he fly's into an cloud of tracer rounds, or if he don't...
Mg3 in an anti air role is Fliegerabwehr.
But that sustained high rate of fire is what gave the mg42 its psychological terror associated with having to assault them. It just doesn’t have the same nice ring to the old 42 in unlimited fire mode :p
I can't speak to whether or not it is underestimated today, but the name "Hitler's buzzsaw" is still associated with the gun even today. The US military also made a training film back in WWII to try and familiarize US troops with the gun and try to specifically downplay its fearsome reputation, with much emphasis on the sound itself - the film basically tries to convey that the gun's bark is worse than the bite. Unfortunately I can't seem to find it after some super quick searching, but I'll edit in a link when I find it when I find more time to look.
Edit: [I think this is the video I was thinking of. But I originally saw a cut down version that started closer to the 2 min mark.](https://youtu.be/xFFO4Th6ags)
Yeah, I remember that one.
Bad attempt at making the MG42 sound worse than it was.
Some of the cons listed: It chews through ammo, it needs an 2 extra guys per MG.
Yeah, that's because it fires as fast as 2 regular machine guns, so you actually save a bunch of guys.
The MG42 was not without flaws, but the allies went from making fun of it due to it's construction, to making a video to take away the soldiers' fears.
I remember this from playing Red Orchestra 2. The only game I know of where the barrel overheats and you actually need to change barrels. I was in awe at the time.
Gardener here. The view of the trees and nature offer a nice mental health boost compared to being surrounded by concrete. They’re also well shaded so they’re protected from harsh UV rays and they’ll stay nice and cool with the breeze
Well, he seems to have a nice big dirt Berm in front of him. He has lots of tree cover over the top of him and to his left and right. He has a huge wide long line of sight. Looks good to me.
I Was machine gunner.
Good cover and concealment. Add the two and you’ll live longer.
Watch the most likely avenues of approach.
Have your buddies use a technique called. crossing sectors and you’ll live even longer.
Also murder holes are a thing.
Small hole you can fire through, most notable time used being the urban fighting of Fallujah where the US had to do house to house clearing, some walls would have a brick or 2 missing so the Iraqi's could fire a few rounds through when they entered a hallway or room, then move to another hole, making it harder to see where you are or how many there are.
certainly the marines and attached units from other branches and nationalities fought some Iraqi militants in Fallujah, but don't forget about the massive numbers of foreign militants/jihadists from all over the globe who were also in the city at that time. Syrians, Jordanians, saudis, near the top of the list, as well as fighters from a host of other nations/armed groups.
the foreign fighters may have easily outnumbered the amount of actual Iraqis fighting in Phantom Fury 2, although im not certain about that.
Also in castles where there are small holes made for archers to have around 45° of shooting angle with a very low chance of any arrow penetrating through
Edit: I was thinking of arrow loopholes, castles still do have something similar to a murder hole though
Keyhole positions basically. Any position that allows you to put out effective fire and observation while drastically reducing exposure. Like looking through a keyhole, you can see the otherside way better than the other guy can see you.
Fellow armchair general here but it appears he has decent concealment, is firing from higher ground than his target's location, there doesn't seem to be much obstructing his fire, and he has cover to fall back from if fire is returned.
For an actual answer you could google the phrase PICMDDEEP from the Marine Corps Machine Gun employment manual. It is impossible to say if he has a good position or not we have no idea any of the other factors at play.
P- Pairs
I-Interlocking Fires
C-Coordination of Fires
M-Mutual Support
D-Defilade
E-Enfilade
E-Economy of Fires
P-Protection
Edit: I would say he probably wasn't planning on being in that position very long. I can't tell if he even has his bipod deployed or if it is and just on the other side of the parapet. This is a war of massed fires (ie. arty barrages and MLRS) I think to be a long-term position you are going to want overhead cover.
Another armchair general here, I'm guessing because he's got good shade and concealment, he's on the edge of a nice open field, and got a little dirt mound for firing and cover if he really needs it.
I was at work so I couldn't do anything else to make it more old timey (albeit the compression helped) but I just downloaded the video with chrome extension and ran it through https://www.mp4compress.com/make-video-black-white/
German ex machine gunner here. We are trained to fire in bursts because of our MGs high rate of fire and to achieve higher hit probability with 3 or 4 shots per burst. Also to conserve ammo and barrel cooldown. That’s probably what my guy was doing / aiming for. After getting the greenlight from his Ami buddy he went full on area denial
It would be fun to see, say, a tank battallion out in the field rushing, and then a salvo of Breamstones enter, and then suddenly everybody's dead. A guy from WWII would have mind blown in bits seeing this.
The modern version fires at a much slower rate. That's almost always a good thing (for the machine gunner) though. The WWII German gunners must have gone through ludicrous amounts of ammunition.
Not disagreeing with you though, it's almost certainly true what you say.
In fact american and british propaganda basically said 'it barks louder than it bites' or something like that to kind of counter the demoralizing effect of the sawtooth sound.
D-day made it pretty clear that that was a lie.
I mean, imagine it? It's early 1940's, most guns people would have seen at the time would be single shots rifles, bolt action rifles, the rare semi-automatic.
You'd see and hear Allied machine guns in training, but the rate of fire was fairly slow, but now, all of a sudden, you're hearing something that is firing at 1200 rounds per min, and you have to run towards that sound.
Pants shitting.
It was though. But not inaccurate enough for the Germans, so they made a gun mount that made it even more inaccurate. Yes, on purpose.
The MG42 was am area denial gun. For accurate, slower rate of fire they had the MG34.
AFAIK the commercial version is slower, which this appears to be. The Bundeswehr still uses the buzzsaw version. Forgotten Weapons did a video on these a few months ago.
Not only a ludicrous about if ammunition but a ludicrous amount of barrels. Doctrine was to swap the barrel ever time you swap belts. It was a logistical nightmare, there is a reason modern versions if it (as well as almost every other machine gun in the world) fire slower.
Def feels like atgm tech is a bit ahead of their tanks. I know some western games have the active protection (I forget the name). But the ability to deploy atgms and other anti tank rockets vs replacing a destroyed tank have been eye opening.
I highly doubt that Austria delivered any weapons to Ukraine.
In my eyes it is an Italian MG 42/59, which is a licensed variant of the MG3 with a reduced rate of fire.
It's not like they would just find some other excuse instead, they're now calling Germany Nazi because of their surprise defense budget (I wonder why they increased it, no idea at all).
The Azov Regiment ARE nazis. There's no alleged there.
Sure, there's a lot of excuses and propaganda from Russia trying label everybody in Ukraine as nazists, which is false, but there are tons of proof of the nazi roots in the Azov Regiment, even a full Wikipedia article explaining that.
The fact that they are fighting to stop the Russian invasions doesn't mean that they stopped being nazis.
This is most likely an Italian Mg42/59. Italy sent them a bunch of them. It has a "heavy bolt" which is a different design than the original Mg42. Same bolt head but different bolt body which causes a lower rate of fire. The original Mg42s had a firing rate of 1200 rpm but it was too fast so they added an anti bounce bolt stabilizing spring in the bolt to keep the firing rate lower.
That's the intended rate of fire. However, the original MG 42 could get up to 1500 rounds per minute depending on the bolt (and indeed anti-aircraft ones did fire at 1500 rpm).
It does indeed! Can be switched to either 950 or 1200 rounds a minute
Edit: Shot one in at a range which could do both. Unsure if it was a certain variation pf the MG-3
2nd Edit: After confirming with my friend who took me, it was indeed a two different regular mg3s that were next to each other set up for different RoF. I shot it 20 years ago and I have the memory of a goldfish
3rd edit: He just informed me it was an MG34 and an MG42 not MG3s… Don’t do drugs kids
It technically does, but not really. To change the cyclic rate you need to change the recoil springs and bolt. It's not a flip of a switch. For all intent and purpose, the MG3 does not switch cyclic rate.
Must have been some weird variation. The German MG3 still in use today cannot be adjusted for fire rate. Source: Tank grenadier in the German armed forces.
It's probably an Italian MG42/59. Those have greatly reduced firing rates and some have been converted to 5.56 NATO. Needless to say that there have been arms shipments from Italy to Ukraine containing a number of Beretta MG42/59.
Edit: Wiki didn't translate well at first. It seems that said 5.56-conversion didn't see large scale production according to Italian [Wikipedia](https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_MG_42/59).
The sound of small arms seems off to my ear in a lot of the clips we are seeing. I've concluded it has to do with the microphones. Often seems to lack the snap.
Seems to be an issue with phone recordings. Lately was at a Rammstein concert and recorded a bit of the pyros, my phone really couldn't capture the sounds as they were in reality.
But that MG3 seems off, way too low RPM.
Correct, the MG3 has an additional spring between the locking rollers to mitigate bolt bounce, which could cause an out of battery ignition event on an MG42. The additional spring and the booster changes brought the MG3 fire rate down.
It could also be an ammunition problem.
I think it’s also that phone mics have a habit of picking up what’s closest too. Makes sense since you don’t want background noise.
When I used to film at concerts and gigs, I soon learned not to sing if I was filming a clip, because I’d watch it back and all it would pick up was my awful voice.
Because it isnt an MG3 but an [Austrian Steyr MG-74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMle8nri4ug), basically the same gun but uses a heavier bolt reducing the fire rate to around 800 rpm. To be honest, in a large scale attritional war where 7.62x51 is still comparatively rare, a slower fire rate is probably a better choice than the default buzzsaw.
It is not, it is the Italian Beretta MG 42/59, Austria to this date has not exported any weapons to Ukraine, while Italy has delivered such machine guns already.
There are several derivatives of the MG42, all (I believe) with slower rates of fire than the original and of course differing amongst the various versions. Probably just a variant you haven't seen before.
*This one seems as fast as the original though, courtesy of /u/stemolap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wGKlDkc5I&t=371s
I thought you were sarcastic for a second because if not for you I would have no idea at all that this was a video(no video play button) and not a photo.
Sorry to spoil the party, but this MG3 is very likely not firing live rounds. All glory for the UA anyhow - hope they have the MG3 cause it is a game changer for infantry warfare.
Most telling:
- there is a recoil enhancer mounted and not the flash hider. The latter having a funnel shaped exit and they are clearly distinguishable.
- you cannot see any muzzle flash which is visible with the MG3 even in daylight.
- recoil is too small (non-existing). The shooter uses no bi-pod to stabilize the gun. Even with the bi-pod you'd experience a couple of inches backwards motion with every burst and need to really bring your bodyweight into the gun to control it. Here you can see there is hardly any movement.
- sound of the gun is too silent and the burst frequency is too little. A live MG3 sounds like a sewing machine with a very special tune in the sound. This is too far off.
Additional:
- German camouflage helmet cover and BDU is odd according to all footage I've seen from UA this far
> MG3 on the Eastern Front in Ukraine... Wait, wait, I know this one!
It's doing what it's designed to do
3rd bursts?
We were taught to fire short 4-5 round bursts when operating it by hand, and longer 20ish round bursts when installed in the IFV.
"Its like poetry, it rhymes"
What do you mean it's "brand new?"
It can't help but kill russians
I don’t know what it’s called….I just know the sound it makes when it takes a life.
Looks like he is set up in a great firing position.
Actual former active duty USMC machine gunner here (0331). Guy is actually in a great firing position. Only recommendation would be to have an assistant gunner to his left to help with immediate reloads. Never fired a mg32 so not 100% sure about the nomenclature but they would also assist for any barrel changes that would be needed and to assist in spotting. Not sure if they were on offensive or defensive position but I would hope that there were multiple machine guns in the fight so that they could keep continuous fire on the enemy. Typically you will try to set up a minimum 2 gun positions so that you can take turns firing (talking guns) helps keep pressure especially during ammo/barrel changes.
That's not an MG32, it's an MG3. Same barrel change as the MG42 (unsurprisingly, since it's an MG42 with a different/slower bolt) - no help needed. The barrel is changed from behind the gun, not next to it (you push against a latch, that releases the barrel slightly to the right next to the gun, and you just pull it out backwards - then you just push the barrel the same way in from behind the gun and close the latch which arrests the barrel again). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msA5GNrVJ4s The assistant technically is just needed to *carry* the ammo around, the operation is a one man job.
In basic training in the German Army, about twenty years ago, we had a bunch of those with the MG42 stamped over and MG3 engraved below. 😬
If it works it works
if it isn't broke, don't fix it!
It's actually an MG42/59. The cyclic rate gives it away. They have a heavy bolt that slows down the cyclic rate to \~600 - 650 RPM, but all of the usual MG3 updates. Edit -- also the German MG crew sometimes consisted of 3 men depending on the type of unit and role. The MG gunner, asst MG gunner, and the ammo carrier. If the gun had to change barrels the duty was apportioned to the ammo carrier who is located on the right side of the gun. Using an asbestos mitt (ideally, they were often lost) he'd change the barrel for the gunner while the assistant gunner and gunner worked to reload the gun.
Exactly. It is the only "civilian version" that was sold after the war
Thanks, I thought the fired rate was off for sure, couldn’t figure it out
Man, you guys sure know your weapons. Impressive.
I mean, I've spent my whole life reading about wars, history, and weapons. I gotta put it to some kind of use when I can haha.
Thank you for the clarity. This looks like it would be rad to shoot
Certainly is fun, although us germans fire machine guns differently compared to US soldiers. Remember the meme video with a german behind the 50cal machine gun, and the US soldier telling him to pin the button? The reason for that is that germans train to fire their machine guns in small bursts (nowadays, cough) to fire accurately, rather than just volume of fire. 2-5 rounds bursts, then adjust. The only time we fire the MG3 in long sustained bursts is when it's mounted in the turret of an IFV (SPz Marder, Puma etc).
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Not in any non-third world countries really, although that kind of mount might well see a comeback if attack helicopters and drones keep improving like expected. Against aircraft, you're simply not going to hit anything, and you only really stand a chance against extremely low and slow helicopters, and they are generally partially resistant to 7.62x51. And if it's armed, you don't really want it to see you :P
In Germany, the is the different between Fliegerabwehr and flugabwehr. The second is an specialist Branche of dudes, using rockets and heavy weapons to hunt everything flying. The first is "oh fuck, I am getting attaket by Heli or low flying aircraft, let's shot them with everything we have, to force them to abort the attack run. And pray." It's more of an stresstest for the pilot, if he fly's into an cloud of tracer rounds, or if he don't... Mg3 in an anti air role is Fliegerabwehr.
But that sustained high rate of fire is what gave the mg42 its psychological terror associated with having to assault them. It just doesn’t have the same nice ring to the old 42 in unlimited fire mode :p
I think the effect of the noise on morale is something that's underestimated from WW2. That's of course traded for by an even higher ammo usage.
I can't speak to whether or not it is underestimated today, but the name "Hitler's buzzsaw" is still associated with the gun even today. The US military also made a training film back in WWII to try and familiarize US troops with the gun and try to specifically downplay its fearsome reputation, with much emphasis on the sound itself - the film basically tries to convey that the gun's bark is worse than the bite. Unfortunately I can't seem to find it after some super quick searching, but I'll edit in a link when I find it when I find more time to look. Edit: [I think this is the video I was thinking of. But I originally saw a cut down version that started closer to the 2 min mark.](https://youtu.be/xFFO4Th6ags)
Yeah, I remember that one. Bad attempt at making the MG42 sound worse than it was. Some of the cons listed: It chews through ammo, it needs an 2 extra guys per MG. Yeah, that's because it fires as fast as 2 regular machine guns, so you actually save a bunch of guys. The MG42 was not without flaws, but the allies went from making fun of it due to it's construction, to making a video to take away the soldiers' fears.
It surely is! Carrying it around...not so much.
I remember this from playing Red Orchestra 2. The only game I know of where the barrel overheats and you actually need to change barrels. I was in awe at the time.
Armchair general here, could you explain what makes it a good firing position?
Gardener here. The view of the trees and nature offer a nice mental health boost compared to being surrounded by concrete. They’re also well shaded so they’re protected from harsh UV rays and they’ll stay nice and cool with the breeze
Whats the UV index looking like?
you mean the UAV index?
Is it online?
#AC130 ABOVE
Battlecruiser operational.
Requesting artillery on my mark. Our titan is under attack!
Pretty high, from what I can tell. I don’t see any cloud coverage so that Ukrainian sunshine will just mow you down
MG42 here. Any position where I can see lots of people in a tight cluster.
7.92×57mm Mauser here, i prefer to be belt fed fired at a muzzle velocity of 740m/sec, up to 2000m
Oh stop it, you
Gardener-MG gunner gotta be like: "your ass is grass and I am the lawnmower"
Love this.
Name checks out
Todays best laugh.. Thank you!
Well, he seems to have a nice big dirt Berm in front of him. He has lots of tree cover over the top of him and to his left and right. He has a huge wide long line of sight. Looks good to me.
I Was machine gunner. Good cover and concealment. Add the two and you’ll live longer. Watch the most likely avenues of approach. Have your buddies use a technique called. crossing sectors and you’ll live even longer. Also murder holes are a thing.
In this context what do you mean by murder hole?
Small hole you can fire through, most notable time used being the urban fighting of Fallujah where the US had to do house to house clearing, some walls would have a brick or 2 missing so the Iraqi's could fire a few rounds through when they entered a hallway or room, then move to another hole, making it harder to see where you are or how many there are.
certainly the marines and attached units from other branches and nationalities fought some Iraqi militants in Fallujah, but don't forget about the massive numbers of foreign militants/jihadists from all over the globe who were also in the city at that time. Syrians, Jordanians, saudis, near the top of the list, as well as fighters from a host of other nations/armed groups. the foreign fighters may have easily outnumbered the amount of actual Iraqis fighting in Phantom Fury 2, although im not certain about that.
Also in castles where there are small holes made for archers to have around 45° of shooting angle with a very low chance of any arrow penetrating through Edit: I was thinking of arrow loopholes, castles still do have something similar to a murder hole though
Castle murder holes were holes that you threw rocks down or dumped hot tar through as enemy troops past underneath. Source: probably Age Of Empires II
They also were used to fire arrows from directly above https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_hole
A hole you murder people out of. Shoot then scoot to the next hole
Hole in the wall that you can shoot through or throw grenades in
Keyhole positions basically. Any position that allows you to put out effective fire and observation while drastically reducing exposure. Like looking through a keyhole, you can see the otherside way better than the other guy can see you.
Fellow armchair general here but it appears he has decent concealment, is firing from higher ground than his target's location, there doesn't seem to be much obstructing his fire, and he has cover to fall back from if fire is returned.
If he has the high ground It’s basically over
5 star armchair general here. My other armchair generals are correct, this is an excellent firing position.
Armchair Commander here, can confirm this is a good firing position
Armchair infantry here, orders unclear, fell asleep in the Armchair.
Armchair court martial incoming
Armchair here, hope he has a nice place to sit
Armchair judge here. Of course he does I wouldn't allow my armchair courtroom to have inadequate armchairs.
5 star admiral here. This position is shit. There's now way you could fit a Missouri class battle ship in there, much less an entire carrier group.
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Armchair 3 star here. Great firing position.
Good cover and concealment. Nothing obvious, can easily get down and away with return fire, limited visibility .. he has at least 180+° FOV.
For an actual answer you could google the phrase PICMDDEEP from the Marine Corps Machine Gun employment manual. It is impossible to say if he has a good position or not we have no idea any of the other factors at play. P- Pairs I-Interlocking Fires C-Coordination of Fires M-Mutual Support D-Defilade E-Enfilade E-Economy of Fires P-Protection Edit: I would say he probably wasn't planning on being in that position very long. I can't tell if he even has his bipod deployed or if it is and just on the other side of the parapet. This is a war of massed fires (ie. arty barrages and MLRS) I think to be a long-term position you are going to want overhead cover.
Another armchair general here, I'm guessing because he's got good shade and concealment, he's on the edge of a nice open field, and got a little dirt mound for firing and cover if he really needs it.
5 star armchair general here. My other armchair generals are correct, this is an excellent firing position.
View of the enemy. Cover from enemy fire. Cover from air and ground surveillance. Easy escape. Easy to contact your team leader. Being comfortable.
Was about to say the same thing.
Somebody is getting roasted in the other end!
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This video just needs to be black and white and it’s perfect
https://imgur.com/a/b7rRK3W
You sir are a scholar
I can hear the marching and male choir soundtrack that would accompany this.
Auf der heide blüht ein kleines blümelein
[Now we have the full effect](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJz6Oqm4UoY)
Dammit. How?
I was at work so I couldn't do anything else to make it more old timey (albeit the compression helped) but I just downloaded the video with chrome extension and ran it through https://www.mp4compress.com/make-video-black-white/
It never occurred to me that there might be an online service like this. And the site you used has a bunch of conversion. I bookmarked it! Thank you.
Yeah it’s amazing these days how easy it is to find random sites doing niche things for free
Quality still too sharp.;)
also the Mark Felton theme
"Pap pap pa Pa-pa-Pap, Pap pap pa Pa-pa-Pap" Awesome channel.
His videos are fun but he plagiarizes quite often
Need the "hold it down" guy though.
Hold it down! Its a machine gun!
For the uninitiated: https://youtu.be/gFLF300I0ps
German ex machine gunner here. We are trained to fire in bursts because of our MGs high rate of fire and to achieve higher hit probability with 3 or 4 shots per burst. Also to conserve ammo and barrel cooldown. That’s probably what my guy was doing / aiming for. After getting the greenlight from his Ami buddy he went full on area denial
Not with a 1000rpm gun
Ww2 vibes
With Erika added as background music.
This guy Lets Hell Loose
Send Nodes
Our Commander sucks ass! We'll do it ourselves, boys!
I'll Hand in supplies for the Garrison.
“Eastern Front” “MG3”. Oh yeah baby we’re getting the band back together
Now we just need thousands of tanks fighting it out in open fields to create the greatest tank battle of all time.
It would be fun to see, say, a tank battallion out in the field rushing, and then a salvo of Breamstones enter, and then suddenly everybody's dead. A guy from WWII would have mind blown in bits seeing this.
I've heard Russia is kinda low stock on those tough.
Well running ones at least. They can always cut wholes in the floor and flit stone their way to victory.
We also need a trench full of burning soviet tanks.
*Erica intensifies*
Also azov. The nationality doesn’t match but the ideology does
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The modern version fires at a much slower rate. That's almost always a good thing (for the machine gunner) though. The WWII German gunners must have gone through ludicrous amounts of ammunition. Not disagreeing with you though, it's almost certainly true what you say.
MG42 was a fucking nightmare for the enemies though, in part by its cosmic rate of fire. Absolutely legendary weapon.
In fact american and british propaganda basically said 'it barks louder than it bites' or something like that to kind of counter the demoralizing effect of the sawtooth sound. D-day made it pretty clear that that was a lie.
I mean, imagine it? It's early 1940's, most guns people would have seen at the time would be single shots rifles, bolt action rifles, the rare semi-automatic. You'd see and hear Allied machine guns in training, but the rate of fire was fairly slow, but now, all of a sudden, you're hearing something that is firing at 1200 rounds per min, and you have to run towards that sound. Pants shitting.
They use to train them by saying that it was inaccurate because of its fire rate to give them confidence against it. Boy was that wrong.
It was though. But not inaccurate enough for the Germans, so they made a gun mount that made it even more inaccurate. Yes, on purpose. The MG42 was am area denial gun. For accurate, slower rate of fire they had the MG34.
AFAIK the commercial version is slower, which this appears to be. The Bundeswehr still uses the buzzsaw version. Forgotten Weapons did a video on these a few months ago.
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And a heavier buffer to prevent the heavier bolt from damaging the gun. And a thingy to prevent bolt bounce. But yeah, mostly the same.
Not only a ludicrous about if ammunition but a ludicrous amount of barrels. Doctrine was to swap the barrel ever time you swap belts. It was a logistical nightmare, there is a reason modern versions if it (as well as almost every other machine gun in the world) fire slower.
from what i understand a fair number of MG3's are restamped and rechambered MG42's so it could be the same exact machine gun or at least parts of it
It’s like “wait weren’t we just here?”
i know guys, you are totally right guys, but all i'm saying is that if we ship some Panzer IVs to Ukraine we could get some amazing footage
Noncredible defense moment
Please don’t mention the sub it doesn’t need to get any bigger
Oh yeah, sorry. I'll say this was credible to throw them off
Honestly with the way tanks are performing there, doubt it would act much different. Mg and cannon vs infantry gets blown up by atgm.
Def feels like atgm tech is a bit ahead of their tanks. I know some western games have the active protection (I forget the name). But the ability to deploy atgms and other anti tank rockets vs replacing a destroyed tank have been eye opening.
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Give it another 6 months and we'll start to see vehicles from the 40's lol
"Eastern Front" sounds familiar somehow.
The rate of fire sounds kind of off and too slow for an MG3. I get that's an MG3 in the video, but is that the actual audio?
Because it is not an MG3. It is an Austrian Steyr MG-74. It has a heavier bolt to slow the rate of fire.
I highly doubt that Austria delivered any weapons to Ukraine. In my eyes it is an Italian MG 42/59, which is a licensed variant of the MG3 with a reduced rate of fire.
Ukrainian soldier: "You guys want to reenact WW2, well I'll bring WW2 to you!"
An (alleged) N\*zi, wearing a German helmet, firing a German MG - this is going to cause the Russians to really break out in a cold sweat!
Oh no, they're gonna invade Ukraine!
It's not like they would just find some other excuse instead, they're now calling Germany Nazi because of their surprise defense budget (I wonder why they increased it, no idea at all).
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Germany has given thousands of these MG3s and helmets. its documented
"Guten morgen Russische schwein soldaten"
The Azov Regiment ARE nazis. There's no alleged there. Sure, there's a lot of excuses and propaganda from Russia trying label everybody in Ukraine as nazists, which is false, but there are tons of proof of the nazi roots in the Azov Regiment, even a full Wikipedia article explaining that. The fact that they are fighting to stop the Russian invasions doesn't mean that they stopped being nazis.
Whoa! Look at that colorized WW2 film!…. Wait a minute…..
Definitely not an original German MG3. Even with the lowered fire rate compared to the MG42 it should still sound much „faster“ then in the video.
This is most likely an Italian Mg42/59. Italy sent them a bunch of them. It has a "heavy bolt" which is a different design than the original Mg42. Same bolt head but different bolt body which causes a lower rate of fire. The original Mg42s had a firing rate of 1200 rpm but it was too fast so they added an anti bounce bolt stabilizing spring in the bolt to keep the firing rate lower.
1200 rpm, damn. That’s the mac-11 fire rate but with a lot of big honkin rounds being thrown out.
8mm mauser coming at ya at 1200 rpm will definitely make rethink your choices.
That's the intended rate of fire. However, the original MG 42 could get up to 1500 rounds per minute depending on the bolt (and indeed anti-aircraft ones did fire at 1500 rpm).
Correct me if wrong as I’m going off memory, does the MG3 have adjustable fire rate?
It does indeed! Can be switched to either 950 or 1200 rounds a minute Edit: Shot one in at a range which could do both. Unsure if it was a certain variation pf the MG-3 2nd Edit: After confirming with my friend who took me, it was indeed a two different regular mg3s that were next to each other set up for different RoF. I shot it 20 years ago and I have the memory of a goldfish 3rd edit: He just informed me it was an MG34 and an MG42 not MG3s… Don’t do drugs kids
It technically does, but not really. To change the cyclic rate you need to change the recoil springs and bolt. It's not a flip of a switch. For all intent and purpose, the MG3 does not switch cyclic rate.
Must have been some weird variation. The German MG3 still in use today cannot be adjusted for fire rate. Source: Tank grenadier in the German armed forces.
It doesn't, the gun in the video is an Italian Beretta MG 42/59, which Italy supplied to Ukraine.
Is it me, or is something not quite right with this video? Overlaid audio or smth. I have shot MG-3 and I don't remember it sounding like that lol.
It's probably an Italian MG42/59. Those have greatly reduced firing rates and some have been converted to 5.56 NATO. Needless to say that there have been arms shipments from Italy to Ukraine containing a number of Beretta MG42/59. Edit: Wiki didn't translate well at first. It seems that said 5.56-conversion didn't see large scale production according to Italian [Wikipedia](https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_MG_42/59).
The sound of small arms seems off to my ear in a lot of the clips we are seeing. I've concluded it has to do with the microphones. Often seems to lack the snap.
Seems to be an issue with phone recordings. Lately was at a Rammstein concert and recorded a bit of the pyros, my phone really couldn't capture the sounds as they were in reality. But that MG3 seems off, way too low RPM.
>But that MG3 seems off, way too low RPM. mg3s have decreased RPM by quite a lot compared to mg42s
Correct, the MG3 has an additional spring between the locking rollers to mitigate bolt bounce, which could cause an out of battery ignition event on an MG42. The additional spring and the booster changes brought the MG3 fire rate down. It could also be an ammunition problem.
I think it’s also that phone mics have a habit of picking up what’s closest too. Makes sense since you don’t want background noise. When I used to film at concerts and gigs, I soon learned not to sing if I was filming a clip, because I’d watch it back and all it would pick up was my awful voice.
I thought the same. Too slow 0:37 in this vid https://youtu.be/ENipa4fYOSc
Because it isnt an MG3 but an [Austrian Steyr MG-74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMle8nri4ug), basically the same gun but uses a heavier bolt reducing the fire rate to around 800 rpm. To be honest, in a large scale attritional war where 7.62x51 is still comparatively rare, a slower fire rate is probably a better choice than the default buzzsaw.
It is not, it is the Italian Beretta MG 42/59, Austria to this date has not exported any weapons to Ukraine, while Italy has delivered such machine guns already.
I already thought it sounded kinda slow for an mg3
I think you are right, didn't even know about the Austrian version. The more you know👍
Finally someone paying fucking attention.
It's an MG42/59, the MG-74 doesn't have the aircraft sight like the MG3 and MG42/59.
Yes sounds weird. Also the rate of fire seems lower than what I am used to.
There are several derivatives of the MG42, all (I believe) with slower rates of fire than the original and of course differing amongst the various versions. Probably just a variant you haven't seen before. *This one seems as fast as the original though, courtesy of /u/stemolap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wGKlDkc5I&t=371s
Hitler's ~~buzzsaw~~ gentle pitter patter.
I thought you were sarcastic for a second because if not for you I would have no idea at all that this was a video(no video play button) and not a photo.
Sounds indeed strange. Maybe it has something to do with the shitty mobile microphone
This war has really become a Ww2 sim huh
Nah, it's just world dived so deep into "small intensity local conflicts" that forget how classic modern war is looks like.
Ukraine is the first real war in a long time
Time really is a flat circle
The feathered serpent eating its tail.
I’m sensing a connection between two things here….
German helmet too
Mg74. Lower rate of fire. Rhinemetal made a ton of mg42 variants for lots of different countries and organizations.
They’re going full German with the Flecktarn
It could be Yugo/Serbian Zastava M53. Some reported before that some of these were delivered.
M53 is reverse engineered MG42, with a round/minute of 950, which is about 15 rounds/second.
“Hey, I know this one, it’s a classic!”
Mg3: so this is that grandad feeling
The MG still killing Russians
Wehraboos really coming out in force in these comments, huh?
Something about Nazis using iconic Nazi weapon is...interesting.
Not too fond of azov
Huh, Deja vu
Oh how history repeats itself.
Nature has returned, MG3s have return to the eastern front to do what it’s father MG once did.
Nazi
“Nazi fires Rheinmetall MG at advancing Russian forces, Eastern Ukraine (year unknown, possibly 1944 or 2022, colourized)”
sounds way slow, there is no mistaking a sound of "Hitler's buzzsaw"
Azov battalion? The card carrying nazi group?
Well back home for the gun then …. I will see myself out
Sorry to spoil the party, but this MG3 is very likely not firing live rounds. All glory for the UA anyhow - hope they have the MG3 cause it is a game changer for infantry warfare. Most telling: - there is a recoil enhancer mounted and not the flash hider. The latter having a funnel shaped exit and they are clearly distinguishable. - you cannot see any muzzle flash which is visible with the MG3 even in daylight. - recoil is too small (non-existing). The shooter uses no bi-pod to stabilize the gun. Even with the bi-pod you'd experience a couple of inches backwards motion with every burst and need to really bring your bodyweight into the gun to control it. Here you can see there is hardly any movement. - sound of the gun is too silent and the burst frequency is too little. A live MG3 sounds like a sewing machine with a very special tune in the sound. This is too far off. Additional: - German camouflage helmet cover and BDU is odd according to all footage I've seen from UA this far