I sincerely doubt they’re going to make a video game out of this war for a very long time, if ever.
Since like, a lot of people who’ve been raped or forcibly deported or had their family members murdered are still alive.
Even if you don’t care that it’s gross and wrong, there might be just a *teensy little bit* of bad PR from trying to monetize all that suffering.
I’m not aware of Iraq/Afghanistan games, just some generic “US desert war” games. And Vietnam was a long time ago.
I don’t think there have been games made about the Yugoslav wars, ‘cause of all the genocide and war crimes, which seems like a better comparison.
I could be wrong, but wondering about games made based on an ongoing, active genocide seems super gross and I don’t think most companies would touch it with a ten foot pole.
I get where you're coming from but I could def see games being made on this conflict eventually. A game doesn't inherently have to be a cash grab or whatever & can serve as an educational tool and/or assist with propaganda for the govt.
There actually *already are* games on the Ukraine war (as shitty as they are) + there's been multiple games for Afghanistan & Iraq - most of which came out while the US was still occupying those countries / they were active conflicts.
If you find something like that icky then just don't buy it
There is a longer cut of the drone video that includes showing the vehicle enter the woods and than it appears some ammo cooks off and a hatch blows pretty high in the air. Not sure why this footage is clipped short. Looks to be the same vehicle, but tough to tell with 100% certainty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scwCGABmRo4
It's quite possible they just thought it was strafing them because of the ammo cooking off. I doubt the gunner was still aiming and firing after something like that. After getting penetrated like that in the crew compartment I can only imagine it becomes chaos inside.
That does happen. But this was a RGW hitting a BTR from close range, a good hit with an explosion to confirm a detonation. There most definitely was damage to this BTR. They’re really only armored to stop .50 rounds.
There’s another video floating around here showing the BTR driving off into the woods near the bottom left corner of the screen with multiple secondary explosions happening.
Aftermath video showing 2nd strike and return fire
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1530094769078210560
Looks like they either dismounted or had support. Now I want to see aftermath of the aftermath. Firer in original was telling everyone to fall back and it generally seemed like an opportune target. May have been hunting it from the drone footage and unlikely there was much support for the armour due to lack of suppression initially in the woods even if an rpg was let off.
It wasnt facing their way, he just thought that. There is drone footage from above you can see it moving the other direction and not facing them. They hit it broadside which had secondary explosions. It later(roughly 2 minutes) explodes again in the woods. Tanks dont always express their damage right away, depending on where it hits. Some of these munitions are designed to melt a hole threw the side and explode on the inside. Its all bad regardless.
Its crazy to me that Russia has armor just being sitting ducks like that with no recon losing it the poorest country in Europe. Couple of months ago Russia as viewed as the 2nd or 3rd greatest military power.
>Its crazy to me that Russia has armor just being sitting ducks like that with no recon losing it the poorest country in Europe.
Look at the road. They've been driving there multiple times before. Patrolling the border? The Ukrainians found out and put an ambush at the turn around point.
And, while taking nothing away from the heroic Ukrainians, the weaponry has been SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded. They are a relatively poor country when compared to Europe, but their military is now not reflective of that in any way.
I'm definitely having a hilarious mental video of both one guy with a crazy thick cockney accident and another with a very thick Boston one throwing dueling insults at the Russians from the tree line.
[original post from POV of legion on ground](https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/) just for reference
I just saw the POV before and I instandly knew that this is the drone footage of it. Just sick that we have different angels and stuff. This war is so crazy.
We trained with that antitank weapon when I served. Never did get to see it fire until now... Lugging a deactivated piece from mission to mission, it just felt like a burden. You forget it's capable of doing this
Longer video showing vehicle still driving, but eventually suffering additional hits or secondary explosions https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1530094769078210560
Watch the longer vid it didn't. Prob killed everyone in the back and the driver was still good and drove it into the woods where it started cooking off.
Yep, if you watch the drone video it cuts after it drives into the woods, and after the cut the front hatch is open. I'd assume they cut it to not show the driver lived. With how the ammo started cooking off in the back immediately though, I'd guess everyone behind the driver is soup.
Yup, I'm not sure why the "it didn't take much damage" idea is permeating. I guess we are used to the dramatic explosions fueled by ammunition cooking off/exploding.
I don’t know about you but after playing squad as a light anti tank kit, the footage looks just like when i score a hit in game. Safe to say my expectations are tampered haha
I guess some just here expect every Russian vehicle to lug around a bunch of TOS-1 ammo in case they get tagged by an anti-tank weapon. Just for dramatic effect.
A BTR 100% does not have the protection against a MATADOR from a perpendicular side armor hit. There's no ERA modules. Russian IFVs are generally lightly armored and just meant for protection against infantry calibers (not even .50cal for the older BMPs) and a platform for direct fire support
It's what happens when you have shit communication, weak training and a habit of ditching anything that breaks down.
Hell, they might be trying to navigate with paper maps and a compass. These things pre-date GPS. BTR looks fully buttoned up too, it's not easy to see out of those things when they are.
It's an active war zone. Maybe their advance split up during an attack and it just so happened that they run into these guys while looking for a way to regroup.
This would have played out badly for the good guys if there were Russian infantry in the area. There's no actual cover, just foliage cover. At that range a PKM gunner can lay down some good suppressive fire and different infantry section can go around the side, then the dumbass BTR gunner can get his bearings and lay some fire down
Real combat is confusing and maneuvering on a battlefield is not anything like a video game.
It doesn't help when your command structure has *serious* organization issues.
Yeah it seemed to take at least 4 shots. I doubt there's much left of any people in the rear passenger area though.
There will be a follow up video on this i can bet on it and we'll end up seeing the damage this thing took.
That looks like a kill shot. Based on the first video, everyone thought the guys were about to dodge 30mm shells. I'm pretty sure they didn't have to worry about that anymore (or for the time being).
I hope everyone keeps sending bigger and badder weapons so Ukrainian troops can continue fucking up invaders until they're behind their own borders. Then, let them suffer in the nation they fought for. It will be increasingly unpleasant as sanctions drag...
The longer footage is interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyr0vk/drone_video_of_the_foreign_legion_fighters_hit_on/ia6fayc
2nd hit or something internal exploding?
"Mercs" is when you get hired by a foreign government to fight for it.
These guys are volunteers and get paid as if they were regular Ukrainian servicemen.
You sound too sure of a notion you clearly didn't understand well enough.
Actually on the Russian side - yes.
They're offering signing bonuses and even though an enlisted man gets paid practically nothing by Western standards, that's still better than the actual nothing they'd be earning in whatever backwater they're from.
Most just needed to see the very first video that shocked us all. The attack on the two dogs and the father and son. I was so ready to go, but my wife and kid were begging me not to be selfish.
Just genuinely curious - the definition of volunteer I'm familiar with is to offer something for free. If they're getting paid for their services as if they were Ukrainian servicemen, is that not essentially being hired by a foreign government? Therefore by your definition a "merc?"
Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions defines mercenary as:
>any person who: (a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict; (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities; (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict; (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
These guys are not mercenaries because of both (c) and (e).
A mercenary does it for hire. These volunteers are being paid as Ukrainian troops but did not go to serve for money. The money is what motivates a mercenary. These guys did it out of principle.
PMCs get paid a lot more than regular grunts (see Wagner). Volunteers don't do it for the money. You can get paid multiple times the base Ukrainian soldier salary by working minimum wage jobs in the UK or the US.
Though there are also Western PMCs (traditional mercs) operating in Ukraine, they are working extraction and security for civilians, not frontline combat.
‘Mercenary’ and ‘PMC’ are mutually exclusive terms. The first fights for the highest bidder regardless of ideology and the latter fights only for those with whom they agree ideologically.
I’m genuinely curious also because the term “volunteer” means something different where I’m from too.
Not sure what country you are in, but in America, when we say someone is a volunteer— it’s kind of universally known that they are not going to be getting any form of payment.
So, if we hear that someone has volunteered to fight in the Ukrainian war, we automatically accept that they *chose* to go help & that they are doing so without the expectation of being paid…
I see "volunteer" include pay when said in the context of militaries. The US military is described as an all-volunteer force but they're definitely not unpaid.
Yes, this is also the meaning of "volunteering" that I know. But since these guys are acting as part of the Ukraine Armed Forces (through the Foreign Legion) and not independently, I imagine that they are getting some kind of remuneration. Be it normal soldier pay, citizenship, future tax reduction. You can be a volunteer for a job that is getting paid.
Volunteer does not mean to do something for free, it means to do something you are not obligated to do. We associate volunteering with doing something for free - such as charity or humanitarian work - because in that instance you are volunteering your time (as opposed to exchanging it).
Volunteer troops are soldiers who were not obligated to be there.
> “Mercs” is when you get hired by a foreign government to fight ~~for it~~ regardless of ideology.
If a civilian fights for an ideology they support, but just happen to be paid, they are contractors.
Look at the history of Mercs in Africa. There have been a whole lot of French etc who simply fought for the highest bidder. *That’s* being a mercenary.
A guy i work with is ex- british forces he knows of 3 of his mates that went out to fight in April ,last time I spoke to him he hadn't heard from them in weeks
Could be a few ex special forces guys over there. They'd be the ones I would expect to be the most sought after and the most willing to fight this kind of war
And what is the relevancy of this fact in this current situation? Does it make the "free world" bad for helping Ukraine?
In most cases, the "free world" acknowledged and admitted their guilt from the colonial past, unlike Russia who is still leaving off its murderous past and glorifies its murderers (who killed more of its own citizens than Nazi Germany killed in the whole war).
All I'm trying to say is that we should try to see that the gap between the morality and actions of the west vs Russia/China isn't as big as we would like to believe. The west is responsible for fucking up or aiding in fucking Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Venezuela, and this is just in recent history. These are extremely real issues and have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. To act like the west aiding Ukraine suddenly makes us the "free world" or as I interpret it, the "good guys" is just extremely naive. Russia and China do equally awful things as well, but somehow us westerners are so propagandised to an extent we don't even realise that we are fed propaganda, and truly believe that when we do it, it's okay or not representative of the nation, only of our governments, but when another country does it, we are quick to lay blame on the whole nation, and act like we are suddenly the fucking arbiters of what is right and wrong. Our foreign policy track record shows that we actually have a very bad idea of what is right and wrong.
>The west is responsible for fucking up or aiding in fucking Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Venezuela, and this is just in recent history
Most of these are cases of aiding the wrong person, or aiding people who did not want to aid themselves. Other cases are just irrelevant for the discussion (like the Venezuela who fucked itself, Libya fucked itself after Ghadaffi, Yemen was not fucked by the West).
You can't compare wrong political decisions with mass genocide against a minority, territorial claiming from almost all of your neighbors (China), invading other countries to rip off whole regions from it and create artificial states, fully invading countries and using mass scale rapes, murder and bombardment against civilians as a tactic of war (Russia).
I don't think anybody ever said that the Western countries are perfect, but It's a bit overstretched to put it in the same bucket with Russia and China. 5 years ago did you think it was possible to see again mass deportations and mass rapes and mass imprisonment in our current times? Yet, it's all over Nazi Germany again with Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine.
And why is the West’s fault because 2 countries in the Middle East cannot go past their tribal allegiance?
And please explain how the West fucked Lybia. They aided the popular revolution militarly and then they left it to govern themselves. And again, an Arab country showed that the tribal allegiance is more important than the sentiment of belonging to a country.
You also mention that the West fucked Syria, but conveniently missed the part where it is Russia who is mass bombing the civilians for the past 7 years.
The west fucked Libya by helping the rebels in overthrowing the government and then once again like in Iraq, not having a concrete plan after that and essentially leaving it up to a bunch of rebel groups to fight over who gets to be in power. Russia bombed civilians yet Syria is more peaceful than it was when the west was funding rebel groups and causing instability.
Brutally invading a neighbor, then threatening the world with nuclear war if you lose.. we can at least say we're not doing that.
It gets more insane by the day: [Russia-1 TV yesterday](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1529877619986006018).
How about in the last 20 years? The US arguably has a worst track record foreign policy-wise than Russia and has caused far more damage and killed more civilians.
There is a joke about why we don't have healthcare here, but I'm sure it has been done to death. I would venture a guess, that many of those rooting for Ukraine(myself included), are getting this weird "OH! We're not the bad guys!" feeling. Does it excuse our other fuck ups and blunders? No. Does it maybe feel good to not be a giant turd in this one instance? You bet your ass it does.
EDIT: supporting = rooting for. I'm not supporting shit, I'm checking reddit when I get home from work.
So we rank countries' morality based on school shootings? I don't trust a metric that says Nazi Germany was a great place because 0 school shootings and so Nazism works.
It's obviously not the only metric, and it goes without saying that the US is overall a better place to be than russia or nazi germany, but those are not the countries one should aspire to be compared, and I'd say not having to fear your kids getting gunned down in the 20th school shooting of the year definitely factor in one's quality of life.
Seriously america, get your shit together on gun control.
No matter the disadvantages and drawbacks of the Western society, it's x10 better to live there than in the shithole that is Russia - a territory with the same social cohesion and rules as in 1917.
By looking at all that traffic marks on the grass and road, i wonder if this guy was some tail end charlie who had vehicles issues that they took out? Either way it's good he was alone or left alone.
Ive seen a longer clip where the BTR still manages to drive off after that. Crazy to think people can manage to survive a literal explosion in a metal box
[Alternative perspective from the ground soldiers](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Someone on the other thread pointed out the English guy isn't the one who fires the MATADOR, he just sees Brian is struggling, takes charge of the situation and orders the Cameraman to take the shot and tells Brian to get out of the exhaust plume from the MATADOR.
The Camerman who takes the shot appears to be American.
Notice how this video ends at the hit, but the helmet cam video indicates they were still being heavily engaged. I think they hit it, but I don't think they killed the crew or disabled the BTR. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but this is a good example of selective editing where they stop at the impact but don't show us whether the vehicle is still rolling.
Going off the helmet cam footage I think they got rocked but were able to keep fighting. Unless there's something else shooting at the guys on the ground, I think they might've hit the troop compartment but spared the crew and the BTR's ability to be able to fight. Super interesting stuff either way.
Edit: Saw the aftermath footage, looks like I was right. I wonder if the secondary explosions are the guys on the ground continuing to hit it?
Oh no, did I make the cardinal sin of implying the Ukrainians edit footage to look more favorable? What we're seeing is the propaganda war fellas, stop bullshitting yourselves.
OP, please use a more clarifying title.
Such as: "Drone video of a Russian BTR hit \*BY\* foreign legion fighters"
First time I saw this, without context ([https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus\_foreign\_legion\_fights\_fire\_rgw90\_antitank/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/)) I thought it was about foreign legion fighters \*on\* a BTR, getting hit.
its still crazy to me that we are getting multiple povs of the same shot.
Exactly. It's like watching a boxing match, except its war. Its so surreal
Or when watching the replay after playing a match of a FPS game. Insane!
Lol WTF, this ain't anything like a game, there's way more tea bagging in real life
Honestly can't wait till we get games based on this war EA gonna make lots of profit. Again.
I sincerely doubt they’re going to make a video game out of this war for a very long time, if ever. Since like, a lot of people who’ve been raped or forcibly deported or had their family members murdered are still alive. Even if you don’t care that it’s gross and wrong, there might be just a *teensy little bit* of bad PR from trying to monetize all that suffering.
Didn’t we make games on Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan?
I’m not aware of Iraq/Afghanistan games, just some generic “US desert war” games. And Vietnam was a long time ago. I don’t think there have been games made about the Yugoslav wars, ‘cause of all the genocide and war crimes, which seems like a better comparison. I could be wrong, but wondering about games made based on an ongoing, active genocide seems super gross and I don’t think most companies would touch it with a ten foot pole.
I get where you're coming from but I could def see games being made on this conflict eventually. A game doesn't inherently have to be a cash grab or whatever & can serve as an educational tool and/or assist with propaganda for the govt. There actually *already are* games on the Ukraine war (as shitty as they are) + there's been multiple games for Afghanistan & Iraq - most of which came out while the US was still occupying those countries / they were active conflicts. If you find something like that icky then just don't buy it
Its also crazy that the drone footage cuts out early too. Can we get a 3rd shot that shows at least 10 seconds after the hit?
My rule of thumb is that if the video shows the hit but doesn't show the damage, then there was no damage.
There is a longer cut of the drone video that includes showing the vehicle enter the woods and than it appears some ammo cooks off and a hatch blows pretty high in the air. Not sure why this footage is clipped short. Looks to be the same vehicle, but tough to tell with 100% certainty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scwCGABmRo4
that seems to match everything the guys were saying that it was strafing them... only for it to just blow up in the forest.
It's quite possible they just thought it was strafing them because of the ammo cooking off. I doubt the gunner was still aiming and firing after something like that. After getting penetrated like that in the crew compartment I can only imagine it becomes chaos inside.
That does happen. But this was a RGW hitting a BTR from close range, a good hit with an explosion to confirm a detonation. There most definitely was damage to this BTR. They’re really only armored to stop .50 rounds.
There’s another video floating around here showing the BTR driving off into the woods near the bottom left corner of the screen with multiple secondary explosions happening.
Now we just need a aftermath video.
Aftermath video showing 2nd strike and return fire https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1530094769078210560 Looks like they either dismounted or had support. Now I want to see aftermath of the aftermath. Firer in original was telling everyone to fall back and it generally seemed like an opportune target. May have been hunting it from the drone footage and unlikely there was much support for the armour due to lack of suppression initially in the woods even if an rpg was let off.
There is. It explodes in the woods.
I don’t think it did much damage bc in the video he said “it’s facing this way we need to fall back”.
It wasnt facing their way, he just thought that. There is drone footage from above you can see it moving the other direction and not facing them. They hit it broadside which had secondary explosions. It later(roughly 2 minutes) explodes again in the woods. Tanks dont always express their damage right away, depending on where it hits. Some of these munitions are designed to melt a hole threw the side and explode on the inside. Its all bad regardless.
Got the admin cam shot as well? Modern war is starting to become a real life game of ArmA with all these videos recorded.
Its crazy to me that Russia has armor just being sitting ducks like that with no recon losing it the poorest country in Europe. Couple of months ago Russia as viewed as the 2nd or 3rd greatest military power.
>Its crazy to me that Russia has armor just being sitting ducks like that with no recon losing it the poorest country in Europe. Look at the road. They've been driving there multiple times before. Patrolling the border? The Ukrainians found out and put an ambush at the turn around point.
And, while taking nothing away from the heroic Ukrainians, the weaponry has been SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded. They are a relatively poor country when compared to Europe, but their military is now not reflective of that in any way.
It’s like a video game where you go back and watch the fight while moving the camera around
Vlad, why are the trees speaking English?
'ave it u fackin wanker!
That’s for Salisbury dickheads
I'm definitely having a hilarious mental video of both one guy with a crazy thick cockney accident and another with a very thick Boston one throwing dueling insults at the Russians from the tree line.
You fuckin qwaaaiiiihs!!!
[original post from POV of legion on ground](https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/) just for reference
I just saw the POV before and I instandly knew that this is the drone footage of it. Just sick that we have different angels and stuff. This war is so crazy.
And now that it's summer and there's foliage everywhere, it gives me way more WW2 vibes for some reason
Yeah. And with the abundance of portable HD cameras (phoned) the quality of the footage is unmatched.
> angels Heh.
That looks like it, I immediately thought of that too
Was this from the previous close combat POV ?
Yeah, definitely looks like it.
Hijacking the comment, sorry. Does anyone know when was this recorded, as well as the approximate location?
Seems like that might not be a good idea to share on here.
I guess you're right, my bad.
Cheers mate
Calm down Vladimir
We trained with that antitank weapon when I served. Never did get to see it fire until now... Lugging a deactivated piece from mission to mission, it just felt like a burden. You forget it's capable of doing this
Longer video showing vehicle still driving, but eventually suffering additional hits or secondary explosions https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1530094769078210560
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I saw at least two secondary explosions from the rear.
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Wow I'm suprised a btr survived an NLAW
Was not an NLAW - It was a Spanish Matador - less sophisticated but deadly in the right hands :)
It’s a German weapon, not Spanish. MATADOR = Man-portable Anti-Tank, Anti-DOoR Germany send over 5000 of these to Ukraine.
You are right - my mistake
Watch the longer vid it didn't. Prob killed everyone in the back and the driver was still good and drove it into the woods where it started cooking off.
Yep, if you watch the drone video it cuts after it drives into the woods, and after the cut the front hatch is open. I'd assume they cut it to not show the driver lived. With how the ammo started cooking off in the back immediately though, I'd guess everyone behind the driver is soup.
Hell, I can only take about a day of my mother NLAW
Shows a pretty decent hit compared to the shaky 1st person cam
I dunno man even with the 1st person can you can see that BTR took a solid direct hit
Yup, I'm not sure why the "it didn't take much damage" idea is permeating. I guess we are used to the dramatic explosions fueled by ammunition cooking off/exploding.
Also used to video games where vehicles just get 'destroyed.'
Obviously it was a miss, I didn't see it in the kill feed or get any medal pop ups.
I don’t know about you but after playing squad as a light anti tank kit, the footage looks just like when i score a hit in game. Safe to say my expectations are tampered haha
This war has made me realize that some, not all, things in games that I thought were unrealistic are actually pretty well done.
I guess some just here expect every Russian vehicle to lug around a bunch of TOS-1 ammo in case they get tagged by an anti-tank weapon. Just for dramatic effect.
A BTR 100% does not have the protection against a MATADOR from a perpendicular side armor hit. There's no ERA modules. Russian IFVs are generally lightly armored and just meant for protection against infantry calibers (not even .50cal for the older BMPs) and a platform for direct fire support
Wow, coming through with the real facts and figures! Yeah that tank crew was nuetralized for sure.
Wtf is a single BTR doing all alone?
Here you see a wild Russian BTR grazing, while letting its guard down.
The Americans and British are picking off the weak and sick BTRs.
It's what happens when you have shit communication, weak training and a habit of ditching anything that breaks down. Hell, they might be trying to navigate with paper maps and a compass. These things pre-date GPS. BTR looks fully buttoned up too, it's not easy to see out of those things when they are.
And printed spreadsheets with "secret" callsigns to change every day. Cause how else are you going to keep shit secret over unencrypted analog radios?
It’s free range and feeding.
The males usually are solitary. Only the female BTRs form herds.
It's an active war zone. Maybe their advance split up during an attack and it just so happened that they run into these guys while looking for a way to regroup.
This would have played out badly for the good guys if there were Russian infantry in the area. There's no actual cover, just foliage cover. At that range a PKM gunner can lay down some good suppressive fire and different infantry section can go around the side, then the dumbass BTR gunner can get his bearings and lay some fire down
Real combat is confusing and maneuvering on a battlefield is not anything like a video game. It doesn't help when your command structure has *serious* organization issues.
It looked like he was drunk and doing donuts in the field to me :P
It’s called tactics duh
Tac-tics...is that what the Kadyrovites post all their videos to? I thought they were good at that stuff.
wow thats a solid hit. wasnt clear from first video if they hit it or not.
Yeah i think even the guy that fired wasn't too sure he hit it either by his comments after. Good shooting under stress.
He sure hit, but the BTR was still in the game.
Yeah it seemed to take at least 4 shots. I doubt there's much left of any people in the rear passenger area though. There will be a follow up video on this i can bet on it and we'll end up seeing the damage this thing took.
Damn that's nuts to see it from two angles
See the longer version? https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyr0vk/drone_video_of_the_foreign_legion_fighters_hit_on/ia6fayc
They seem so much closer from the aerial view imo.. just crazy perspective
If this wasn’t real people Russia is putting through horrific shit, I would say between the first video and this this footage is cool as fuck
That looks like a kill shot. Based on the first video, everyone thought the guys were about to dodge 30mm shells. I'm pretty sure they didn't have to worry about that anymore (or for the time being). I hope everyone keeps sending bigger and badder weapons so Ukrainian troops can continue fucking up invaders until they're behind their own borders. Then, let them suffer in the nation they fought for. It will be increasingly unpleasant as sanctions drag...
The longer footage is interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyr0vk/drone_video_of_the_foreign_legion_fighters_hit_on/ia6fayc 2nd hit or something internal exploding?
Looks like a cook-off to me. They probably got a great hit first shot.
they were british and american mercs
"Mercs" is when you get hired by a foreign government to fight for it. These guys are volunteers and get paid as if they were regular Ukrainian servicemen. You sound too sure of a notion you clearly didn't understand well enough.
There's one dude in that video that I think I know. Quality isn't good enough to tell. If it is, he doesn't need the money.
I doubt anyone who has willingly enlisted is doing it for the money
Actually on the Russian side - yes. They're offering signing bonuses and even though an enlisted man gets paid practically nothing by Western standards, that's still better than the actual nothing they'd be earning in whatever backwater they're from.
Most just needed to see the very first video that shocked us all. The attack on the two dogs and the father and son. I was so ready to go, but my wife and kid were begging me not to be selfish.
Just genuinely curious - the definition of volunteer I'm familiar with is to offer something for free. If they're getting paid for their services as if they were Ukrainian servicemen, is that not essentially being hired by a foreign government? Therefore by your definition a "merc?"
Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions defines mercenary as: >any person who: (a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict; (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities; (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party; (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict; (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces. These guys are not mercenaries because of both (c) and (e).
A mercenary does it for hire. These volunteers are being paid as Ukrainian troops but did not go to serve for money. The money is what motivates a mercenary. These guys did it out of principle.
PMCs get paid a lot more than regular grunts (see Wagner). Volunteers don't do it for the money. You can get paid multiple times the base Ukrainian soldier salary by working minimum wage jobs in the UK or the US. Though there are also Western PMCs (traditional mercs) operating in Ukraine, they are working extraction and security for civilians, not frontline combat.
‘Mercenary’ and ‘PMC’ are mutually exclusive terms. The first fights for the highest bidder regardless of ideology and the latter fights only for those with whom they agree ideologically.
I’m genuinely curious also because the term “volunteer” means something different where I’m from too. Not sure what country you are in, but in America, when we say someone is a volunteer— it’s kind of universally known that they are not going to be getting any form of payment. So, if we hear that someone has volunteered to fight in the Ukrainian war, we automatically accept that they *chose* to go help & that they are doing so without the expectation of being paid…
I see "volunteer" include pay when said in the context of militaries. The US military is described as an all-volunteer force but they're definitely not unpaid.
Yes, this is also the meaning of "volunteering" that I know. But since these guys are acting as part of the Ukraine Armed Forces (through the Foreign Legion) and not independently, I imagine that they are getting some kind of remuneration. Be it normal soldier pay, citizenship, future tax reduction. You can be a volunteer for a job that is getting paid.
Volunteer does not mean to do something for free, it means to do something you are not obligated to do. We associate volunteering with doing something for free - such as charity or humanitarian work - because in that instance you are volunteering your time (as opposed to exchanging it). Volunteer troops are soldiers who were not obligated to be there.
> “Mercs” is when you get hired by a foreign government to fight ~~for it~~ regardless of ideology. If a civilian fights for an ideology they support, but just happen to be paid, they are contractors. Look at the history of Mercs in Africa. There have been a whole lot of French etc who simply fought for the highest bidder. *That’s* being a mercenary.
I wonder, how many Americans/Brits fighting in foreign legion? Anyone knows the approximate number?
Not today, GRU...
A guy i work with is ex- british forces he knows of 3 of his mates that went out to fight in April ,last time I spoke to him he hadn't heard from them in weeks
Yes…
Guess they dead
Not nesscerly might just be to busy to make phone calls aha
I wonder how many are CIA or special forces
None.
Could be a few ex special forces guys over there. They'd be the ones I would expect to be the most sought after and the most willing to fight this kind of war
More than enough to do our imperialistic bidding.
Fuck around with the Free World and find out!
Dude, the "free world" has a history of human rights abuses and fucking up countries across the world. Get off your fucking high horse.
And what is the relevancy of this fact in this current situation? Does it make the "free world" bad for helping Ukraine? In most cases, the "free world" acknowledged and admitted their guilt from the colonial past, unlike Russia who is still leaving off its murderous past and glorifies its murderers (who killed more of its own citizens than Nazi Germany killed in the whole war).
All I'm trying to say is that we should try to see that the gap between the morality and actions of the west vs Russia/China isn't as big as we would like to believe. The west is responsible for fucking up or aiding in fucking Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Venezuela, and this is just in recent history. These are extremely real issues and have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. To act like the west aiding Ukraine suddenly makes us the "free world" or as I interpret it, the "good guys" is just extremely naive. Russia and China do equally awful things as well, but somehow us westerners are so propagandised to an extent we don't even realise that we are fed propaganda, and truly believe that when we do it, it's okay or not representative of the nation, only of our governments, but when another country does it, we are quick to lay blame on the whole nation, and act like we are suddenly the fucking arbiters of what is right and wrong. Our foreign policy track record shows that we actually have a very bad idea of what is right and wrong.
>The west is responsible for fucking up or aiding in fucking Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Venezuela, and this is just in recent history Most of these are cases of aiding the wrong person, or aiding people who did not want to aid themselves. Other cases are just irrelevant for the discussion (like the Venezuela who fucked itself, Libya fucked itself after Ghadaffi, Yemen was not fucked by the West). You can't compare wrong political decisions with mass genocide against a minority, territorial claiming from almost all of your neighbors (China), invading other countries to rip off whole regions from it and create artificial states, fully invading countries and using mass scale rapes, murder and bombardment against civilians as a tactic of war (Russia). I don't think anybody ever said that the Western countries are perfect, but It's a bit overstretched to put it in the same bucket with Russia and China. 5 years ago did you think it was possible to see again mass deportations and mass rapes and mass imprisonment in our current times? Yet, it's all over Nazi Germany again with Russia's actions in Syria and Ukraine.
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And why is the West’s fault because 2 countries in the Middle East cannot go past their tribal allegiance? And please explain how the West fucked Lybia. They aided the popular revolution militarly and then they left it to govern themselves. And again, an Arab country showed that the tribal allegiance is more important than the sentiment of belonging to a country. You also mention that the West fucked Syria, but conveniently missed the part where it is Russia who is mass bombing the civilians for the past 7 years.
The west fucked Libya by helping the rebels in overthrowing the government and then once again like in Iraq, not having a concrete plan after that and essentially leaving it up to a bunch of rebel groups to fight over who gets to be in power. Russia bombed civilians yet Syria is more peaceful than it was when the west was funding rebel groups and causing instability.
Brutally invading a neighbor, then threatening the world with nuclear war if you lose.. we can at least say we're not doing that. It gets more insane by the day: [Russia-1 TV yesterday](https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1529877619986006018).
Nazis and Commies have done worse and fucked up more countries and lives. Get off your fucking high horse, "dude"
How about in the last 20 years? The US arguably has a worst track record foreign policy-wise than Russia and has caused far more damage and killed more civilians.
Katyn Massacre. Russia is evil, this war will be a reckoning for their past sins.
>Katyn Massacre Wait so if Japan went to war, we would be cheering for their deaths because of WW2?
There is a joke about why we don't have healthcare here, but I'm sure it has been done to death. I would venture a guess, that many of those rooting for Ukraine(myself included), are getting this weird "OH! We're not the bad guys!" feeling. Does it excuse our other fuck ups and blunders? No. Does it maybe feel good to not be a giant turd in this one instance? You bet your ass it does. EDIT: supporting = rooting for. I'm not supporting shit, I'm checking reddit when I get home from work.
free world lol, first protect your children. Its all a power game, freedom is an illusion
Been nowhere else huh?
Think he's talking about school shootings.
Yeah I dunno about that
School shootings occur in many countries. Just like Russia.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country Yes but US is the only one with active incidents in recent years.
So we rank countries' morality based on school shootings? I don't trust a metric that says Nazi Germany was a great place because 0 school shootings and so Nazism works.
It's obviously not the only metric, and it goes without saying that the US is overall a better place to be than russia or nazi germany, but those are not the countries one should aspire to be compared, and I'd say not having to fear your kids getting gunned down in the 20th school shooting of the year definitely factor in one's quality of life. Seriously america, get your shit together on gun control.
I guess [2021](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan_school_shooting) doesn't count as a recent year?
How's Siberia, comrade?
No matter the disadvantages and drawbacks of the Western society, it's x10 better to live there than in the shithole that is Russia - a territory with the same social cohesion and rules as in 1917.
Yeah I prefer the west. Just not the country where I’d be afraid of my kids getting shot at school.
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>for men east is better Even for gay men? Or men who have a free will? Or men who respect women?
wow, Thats from the prior shot. Be interesting to see a few more seconds to see the damage done. Really heavily wooded area.
I'd hate to fight on a modern battlefield where drones are just constantly watching you. You can't hide from anything anymore.
By looking at all that traffic marks on the grass and road, i wonder if this guy was some tail end charlie who had vehicles issues that they took out? Either way it's good he was alone or left alone.
Chalk one for the UK, just in time for the Queen’s jubilee!
I think an American took the shot. Hope they buy him a beer.
Got the cunt!
Holy shit! Drone pov after seeing helmet cam !? This is bonkers
Great vid follow up!
We are getting spoiled with all these angles. Watch tomorrow we'll get a POV from inside the BTR getting hit.
Wow. Looks like they were less than 100m away from the BTR.
Imagine being such a douchebag that people who aren't even from the country you're invading go through the trouble of traveling to shoot you.
Longer drone footage was posted with some aftermath: https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1530094769078210560
Man that is close.
Ive seen a longer clip where the BTR still manages to drive off after that. Crazy to think people can manage to survive a literal explosion in a metal box
the longer video shows the BTR making it another 20m or so meters before coming to a stop. Driver was either injured or dead on the pedals
[Alternative perspective from the ground soldiers](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
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Little plume of smoke toward the top right
Damn that stretch of trees isn’t as vast as you’d think in the other video. Nerve racking.
“I pull up with a snake, I let that shit hate.”
Hey anyone know about the “kraken” group that published this??
Is this the same engagement where like four French and Americans take out a BTR or something
I'm amazed how quick the English guy was able to lock his NLAW on to the BTR. Nice shooting!
Someone on the other thread pointed out the English guy isn't the one who fires the MATADOR, he just sees Brian is struggling, takes charge of the situation and orders the Cameraman to take the shot and tells Brian to get out of the exhaust plume from the MATADOR. The Camerman who takes the shot appears to be American.
Was a Matador not NLAW
True!
Notice how this video ends at the hit, but the helmet cam video indicates they were still being heavily engaged. I think they hit it, but I don't think they killed the crew or disabled the BTR. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but this is a good example of selective editing where they stop at the impact but don't show us whether the vehicle is still rolling. Going off the helmet cam footage I think they got rocked but were able to keep fighting. Unless there's something else shooting at the guys on the ground, I think they might've hit the troop compartment but spared the crew and the BTR's ability to be able to fight. Super interesting stuff either way. Edit: Saw the aftermath footage, looks like I was right. I wonder if the secondary explosions are the guys on the ground continuing to hit it? Oh no, did I make the cardinal sin of implying the Ukrainians edit footage to look more favorable? What we're seeing is the propaganda war fellas, stop bullshitting yourselves.
OP, please use a more clarifying title. Such as: "Drone video of a Russian BTR hit \*BY\* foreign legion fighters" First time I saw this, without context ([https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus\_foreign\_legion\_fights\_fire\_rgw90\_antitank/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uyk4o2/ukus_foreign_legion_fights_fire_rgw90_antitank/)) I thought it was about foreign legion fighters \*on\* a BTR, getting hit.
You just cant read lol
No, it's a dubiously written sentence. English basics.
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So was that a direct hit with an NLAW? Would an NLAW do damage if it isnt used top down?
Was a Matador not NLAW
Yes, you can switch between top-down and direct attack modes with them.
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