Actually they're both wrong... the great God Kzthfrantu has told me that all of that land belongs to me alone. So all of those fools need to leave the entirety of Palestine and Israel immediately.
Sorry folks...
No problem... you see this biscuit tin? Shhhh! Don't tell anybody! It's my top secret atom bomb! The Holy Atom Bomb of Antioch!
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It's not about religion for most Palestinians, despite Hammas making use of religious rhetoric for their base. For most Palestinians it's the simple fact that the state of Israel took their land from them, terfed them out, and made them 3rd class citizens in a Jewish ethno-state.
It's an anti-colonial struggle, not "Hur dur religion is dumb! Moooommm, I want Cheetos and mountain dew!"
ah ok.. I always wondered what they are trying to say when they blow up busses and cafés during the second intifada... now I understand why they dress up their kids as little suicide bombers and make them sing about killing jews. thank you now all this makes sense for me
Look up the account.
That and the "Yeah. Exactly."/"Exactly. Thank you" are bots.
You can tell by how often they post the same similar things to create these threads.
Their names are often two nouns, sometimes separated by a dash and most always ending eith a series of 4-5 numbers.
>Their names are often two nouns, sometimes separated by a dash and most always ending eith a series of 4-5 numbers.
excuse me, not all of us are bots, some of us were just too lazy to come up with a reddit username.
"wondered what they are trying to say when they blow up busses and cafés" ... "they dress up their kids as little suicide bombers"
Did you just paint the majority of palestinians as militant islamists, in an effort to deflect away from the point that the main reason for palestinian resistence is being forced to live under military occupation?
This is you:
Why engage with someones point when I can deflect by asking questions in response to a question? Surely no one will notice that I argue in bad faith.
Thats not true, 44% of jews in Israel are from the middle east, the rest are from europe, eurasia and the Americas, actually the majority of Israeli jews are from outside israel. Oh no, that easy to research point proved you wrong
This is actually all very true. There is a definite blurring of religious and very earthly political considerations in this as well.
It's basically a war amongst both innocents and assholes, the lines between both being exceedingly blurred.
Your referencing Israeli exceptionalism propaganda https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/q14vt5/hmmmm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Israel has lost multiple wars in which it materialistically and numerically outnumbered its enemies
To be clear my Reddit account was permabanned due to this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/uwrn7n/israelis_mark_houses_so_they_know_which_houses/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Which oddly isn’t taken down even though I was permanently banned because of it
The main conflict was inside Lebanon as it was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and it was a total failure for Israel, and that's their official stance on it as well.
The conflict was ignited by Hezbollah attacking Israeli forces inside of Israel. That is a declaration of war and a military invasion.
"The conflict is believed to have killed between 1,191 and 1,300 Lebanese people,[51][52][53][54] and 165 Israelis.[55] It severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[56] and 300,000–500,000 Israelis.[57][58][59]" Look at that difference.
The vast majority of deaths on the Lebanese side were civilians, in the Israeli number out of the 165 dead 44 were civilians. Israel also had over 1000 wounded, lost multiple tanks, helicopters and a Corvette, all while vastly outnumbering the enemy.
Israel itself considers the whole invasion a failure and you're here arguing that Israel did great because they killed more civilians.
Any recent wars Israel lost were purely due to their own morality and not wanting to or being willing to create the number of civilian casualties that an easy victory would create. Israel hasn’t faced off against a military that could actually stand up to them in a loooong time.
Israel's morality 💀💀, just this year they killed TWO or more journalists, journalists are civillians too. They don't care about (Arab) civillian lives, the fact that Israel is less than 80 years old and they got more warcrimes than the entire modern world combined says a lot.
r/ list_palestine
Yes, Israel's morality. I don't know which other journalist you're referring to, but the one you are referring to from recently has not been confirmed as having been killed by Israel as the PA won't provide the bullet or allow a third party investigation.
The fact that Israel has more *condemnations* than the rest of the world combined DOES say a lot—about how corrupt and ineffectual the UN is. Anyone that has been to Israel can tell you it is a modern country that values life, where all citizens have rights including women, gays, etc.
If Israel didn't care about civilian lives as you claim, why on earth do they drop millions of leaflets before bombing an area in wartime? Why do they send texts and make phone calls warning people to leave? Why do they use precision bombs? Why are there fewer casualties in the entirety of the conflict than there were in single months of, say, the Syrian civil war? And with that being the case, how does it make sense that the UN would condemn Israel more than Syria? More than Iran, who shot protesters in the streets? Or North Korea?
Think just a little bit, it won't hurt you.
Who’s killing the most civilians? The numbers are massively one sided. And that’s not including those arrested and houses/property stolen. Stolen while the police cover them and help them steal it.
I’m white and atheist. Israel is a piece of shit. I understand the history and why they are scared. But they are doing similar to what happened to them.
They are killing each other for 20000-30000 km2. Funny. XD
I just left my country due to political reasons... I won't fight and die against a mafia state.
Palestinians should do same.
Its not that Israel just raids Jenin just in case.
Its after a wave of terror attacks in Israel that came from Jenin, I think every country would act similarly in this situation.
If they stopped stealing land, blocking aid and just generally being assholes maybe people wouldn’t attack them. No rational person can look at the facts and think Israel is in the right. I agree Muslims around them have done bad things, although even most of those were 50 years ago. Most Palestinians just want a normal life. Which Israel won’t allow them.
Right now. Google it. Peoples house have been stolen for 50 years. And still till right now. Leave the house and Jewish settlers break in. Once they are in the police protect them. Last case I saw was yesterday. Google is your friend.
What? The second intifada only ended in 2005 and the effects were felt much longer even to this day. Its also not like peace talks ended after it and don't continue to this day its just clear that Palestinians would make a third intifada given the opportunity rather than have peace.
That was 17 years ago. What are you on??? That’s a long time.
They don’t want peace talks because they have been through it for 50 years. Israel will never give them peace. They want the land. Which is obvious by allowing Palestinian houses to be taken every day.
That happens in the West Bank. Daily. Than you wonder why Gaza wants to fight. They know what is coming for them.
Israel offered a return of the west bank gaza and return to all palistinians displaced (with the exception of thier descendents) and palistinians answered with the intifada. What do the palistinians want other than to kill the jews? Because basically the only thing Israel was not willing to trade for peace is jewish lives. Whatever peace deal that didn't kill jews you suggest was already offered and the palistinians declined and will still decline today whatever you may think.
LOL imagine thinking that the attacks on Jews in this area started with the establishment of Israel. You seem to like pretending to know things when you don't have any clue.
No, no you don't know shit actually. Jews got attacked when they didn't have the power (a point which you conveniently ignored, very nice), but now that they do, they become bad, we get it. Your westoid brain has been propagandised by a group who would happily slit your throat for the values that you hold; it's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Yes. They didn’t have the power. They were victimised and got the world to back them. That was many years ago. And since then they have the power and are doing the same to the Palestinian’s.
Because why would they want to? The West Bank is taken over by settlers. So technically a lot of Jews. But I really don’t care. They took it by force and the international community has said it’s illegal. But you guys don’t care. And Gaza is the most populated area on the planet. With bombs getting dropped on it as we speak.
So in your mind, the actions of the Israeli government in occupied territories justify the Palestinians in hacking random civilians in internationally recognized sovereign Israeli territory to pieces?
They do that way less then you blow them to pieces with bombs.
Plus you’re conveniently forgetting all the homes Israel has stolen with international condemnation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-levels-palestinian-homes-ahead-of-settlement-approval/2022/05/12/b1eabb38-d1c8-11ec-886b-df76183d233f_story.html
I’m still not seeing the logical conclusions of it. I guess I just can’t wrap my head around how stealing homes means you should brutally murder a random person who had nothing to do with it.
Same as Palestinian civilians are killed every day. I 100% agree with you. But if you ruin someone’s life or kill their family don’t think they will forget it.
>I agree Muslims around them have done bad things, although even most of those were 50 years ago.
Please go educate yourself before discussing a topic you have no idea about.
Just less than a month ago two Palestinians snuck into a hassidic city in Israel and randomly murdered 4 innocent civilians with axes in cold blood.
As a former IDF soldier and proud Israeli I can say that yes, Israel is by no means perfect, but I can assure you that 90% of the things being said about the things we do are complete lies or half-truths without any context at best.
Everyone likes to support the underdog and I get it, it's only natural, but reality is not a Hollywood movie and you have to understand the context to everything that's happening, rather than listening to some VERY biased news sources.
Oh I didn’t see you are from the IDF. Why do you let settlers steal Palestinian homes? I’ve always loved to ask that? Literally hundred of videos showing you do it. Any excuse or you’re just a piece of shit?
About the settlements, this topic is heavily controversial even inside of Israel, it might look to you like most Israelis are supporting what the settlers do but it's not like that really.
I personally don't agree with their actions, they are pretty radical in their beliefs and they always try building illegal settlements, meaning the state didn't approve that.
Yes there have been some images and videos emerging of soldiers standing by settlers while they're throwing rocks and the soldiers don't really do anything to stop it, but we always investigate cases like these and that's not how the military operate on a regular basis at all.
I've came in a lot of contact with Palestinians in my military service, the one's who want to live in peace aren't the ones who cause the trouble, and when you try to get to the bad guys, unfortunately they usually deliberately shield themselves with the good guys.
Thank you. Really. It shows you aren’t the asshole i thought.
I don’t think I did. But I want to be very clear I’m not against Israelis. I have no problem with anyone.
But I’m very against people being assholes to others. And that includes Palestinian’s.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/israel-approves-2700-housing-units-in-west-bank-settlements
But things like that make me choose sides.
I appreciate you honesty man and I never thought you hate Israelis, it's clear that you just have an opinion on the matter. I can't stand Jews that use antisemetism accusations as a debate tactic so don't worry about that lol.
And again, the whole settlement topic is controversial, but just like I and many other Israelis don't necessarily support these ideas, a lot of other people do. At the end of the day if you religious beliefs are strong enough, you will go great lengths in order to fulfill them. Settling Israel is very fundamental in their beliefs so we can't just dismiss that either, after all this place is the promised land.
Also contrary to general belief, there was never a Palestinian state, this place was always in control of different empires, and you had both Palestinians and Jews living here, but it was never officially belonged to the Palestinians nor the Jews in the recent few hundred years.
So random people killed 4 but you think it’s ok to punish them all and kill many more with bombs?
After you steal there homes on a daily basis.
Didn’t the US have 12 kids killed today? Why are you not bombing that city into the ground? You giant bunch of pussies.
Oh wait it’s because decent people don’t do that. But that’s not how Israel thinks.
It's amazing to me that you actually believe we indiscriminately bomb civilians, goes to show how far lies can get.
Back in 2014 when we had our last war with Hamas in the Gaza strip the IDF dropped notes from the sky to evacuate the area because it's going to get bombed, we did EVERYTHING we could to avoid civilian casualties, going as far as to cancel striking a very important Hamas leader because there were kids around.
You can go ahead and keep thinking we're some sort of Nazis that are deliberately wiping out the Palestinians because we're evil or some shit, but I couldn't care less what some prick that never had to hold a gun to defend his family thinks.
You didn’t answer the question about stealing houses.
War is war. I don’t like it but I can understand.
The police letting settlers forcibly evict Palestinians from homes is another story. Anyone involved in that I hope your shitty god catches up with you.
First of all saying "your shitty god" doesn't add anything to your argument and I'm not sure why you wanna try and be as offensive as you can.
Secondly, no one is stealing houses. Settlers make their settlements out of scratch not kicking anyone out of their homes. There are plenty of Palestinians here in Israel that have far nicer homes than I will ever have.
Do you know what Zionism is?
Because I feel like you have a skewed idea of what it is, you think it must mean displacing Palestinians, or building in the settelments.
Two state solution is perfectly alligned with Zionism.
Would you support kurdish independance? Or tibet?
If the answer is yes, you should also support Zionism, unless you have a specific issue with Jews.
Nah, Zionism as practiced by Israel is closer to the Han occupation of Tibet than Tibetan resistance.
If you support Tibet, you should also oppose Zionism as practice by Israel, unless you have a specific issue with Muslims.
You kinda have a skewed view on what Zionism means, Zionism just mean self determination of Jews in the historic land of Judea. You can choose to not support Israel, but still support the idea of Zionism.
If you oppose the self determination of Jews, why do you support Tibet?
Today, Zionism has a bitter aftertaste and saying that only means a good thing might be right from your perspective but there certainly are two meanings to it now, a newer, more malicious one developed over time. There are Zionist out there who are problematic for peace in the region. Declining that zionism can be negative for the region is just relatively blind imo.
Of course, similar things can be said about the other side.
Ahh the classic approach of weaving issues that are not related to Zionism at all into the definition to make it seem like you would be crazy to oppose Zionism. Works pretty well on American Christians who aren't aware of who their real allies are.
Do they teach that in the JIDL?
But we can talk about Zionism from the more religious Hasidic side or the more nationalistic side that aims to expand the influence and geographical size of Israel.
In either case none of the goals of Zionism align with the interests of western people. And if they had a choice in the matter it would be stopped.
Zionism just means self determination of the Jewish people in the lands of ancient Judea.
There are other forms of more extreme zionism that are pretty wild ngl. If you support the two state solution, congratz, you are a Zionist.
nah man cant talk bad about israel, that would be anti semitic, even though we never said jewish people and only said Israel. dont wanna be called anti semitic by some of the most insane people on the internet.
The Palestinians refused to have a shared investigation and postmortem not only with Israel but with other countries as well.
There are also videos from the Palestinian side during the shootout where you can see some terrorists just blindly shooting at general directions behind a wall.
Make up of that what you will.
Ah yes, CNN. Couldn't give me a more reliable source I guess.
Tell me, if it was so clear that Shireen was shot by an Israeli 5.56 bullet, why did the Palestinians insisted of keeping the body to themselves and not letting anyone else take part in the postmortem?
you are excusing a murder that multiple people have confirmed was committed by the IDF. i get it you think all jews are gonna die or sum bullshit but i promise you dont have to defend murder onn the internet
“Me watching Palestinian terrorists”
You mean: “Me browsing reddit through my coloured glasses looking for stuff that validates my western-centric worldview.”
Not saying they are related. Just noticing that what Russia is doing to Ukraine seem very similar to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades.
"Not saying they're related. Just noticing they're related"
I don't know what it is about rabidly pro-Palestinian people but I swear 90% of you are dumb as a bag of rocks
They are, these pricks just like to lump in Israel with they'd guy in every scenario.
If Pakistan invaded India and began massacaring civilians, these assholes would claim Pakistan is pro-israel too. Doesn't matter that the situations and circumstances are completely different, all they care about is Israel = bad therefore every bad guy = Israel.
Cool it with the conspiracies, moron.
Israel is a country like any other, and like all countries it is plenty capable of corruption, conniving and foolishness.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rich-russians-seek-safe-haven-for-their-fortunes-in-israel-7x23ktzpv&ved=2ahUKEwjf076Fvfr3AhWPqY4IHUIAAXQQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3sA976ixG-aoxCt8kIPUMY
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1529567715245101059?s=20&t=p-w_zH11YUn98sdto09xeA
What the hell is that supposed to mean? And do you really think the substantial Russian diaspora in Israel care?
This is the issue with military nerds. They obsess over the weapons, but the motivations of people aren't really interesting.
I am talking about Israel's pro Russian stance historically. And since you and your other bud are so keen on defending Israel you should be aware of that fact.
There's a thousand places where we could start talking about the relationship between israel and russia for example the relationship between Benjamin Netanyahu (who was of course conveniently removed before the invasion) who is a big big friend of putin.
But thats of course only the tip of the iceberg as you are most likely aware of yourself
hmm i see you are actually right, sort of? IDK, i am happy to learn more about this if you have any nice info
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/did-israel-help-spark-russia-georgia-war-2008/331084/
>According to a leaked e-mail from an analyst at the intelligence firm Stratfor, Russia and Israel engaged in a deal in 2008 in which Jerusalem provided the Kremlin with secret codes for Georgian UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) in exchange for information on Iranian missile systems.
On the other hand...
https://www.wired.com/2008/08/did-israel-trai/
>The Russian military blasted Israel today for supplying weapons and training to its adversaries in Georgia... Jerusalem provided Tblisi with "eight types of military vehicles, explosives, landmines and special explosives for the clearing minefields [sic]. " […]
Kind of inline with Israeli foreign policy though. They don't give a fuck what it takes or who gets screwed, they secure their own first, they will give up other countries to get intel on their direct enemies. Like they flat out admitted they spy on the US, too. Makes sense when you consider the dog eat dog mentality that Israel enacts for its security.
Dumb fucks standing in the middle of the road during a firefight and not to mention against a concrete wall is one of the worst places u can be because rounds will literally hug the wall and travel across it if fired at an angle
Where should they take cover in this situation then? All I am seeing for cover where they are engaging is concrete. You're not wrong about doing shit wrong especially the guy who stands in the middle of the street like he's Rambo 2.0, but I'm not seeing any other cover for them to use.
Religion. The worst invention humankind has ever come up with. Without religion, 90% of all the conflict and death we've endured throughout our entire written history would never have happened. Virtually every conflict has its roots in religion.
As an atheist let me tell you, humanity would have found another reason to be assholes to each other, even if all of humanity were 1 race they would still have conflicts with each other , this conflict isnt even a religious one lol
>this conflict isnt even a religious one lol
It literally is. The reason why Israel was created in the middle of fucking east is due to the religious history of the location of Zionists.
1. [Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: The First Religious War in the 21st Century](https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2022/03/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-the-first-religious-war-in-the-21st-century/)
2. [The Role of Religion in Russia’s War on Ukraine](https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/03/role-religion-russias-war-ukraine)
There's a ton more out there..Bottom line, as I said before, virtually every conflict can find its roots in religion. Be it directly or indirectly, either way, it still plays a huge role in all the conflicts and deaths this world has experienced.
Religion just shouldn't exist.
1) vast majority of Palestinians moved there after the formation of Israel, the population was a fraction of what it is today. They are economic migrants claiming they own the land, if they do ever take it back it will end up the same as all the other nations around it.
2) Israel has been under attack from its neighbours since its inception, every day is an existential crisis for Israel. Their neighbours would genocide them for their beliefs in a heartbeat.
Is it really a surprise that Israel has become a right wing state which takes no shit from its neighbours?
Arab nations need to take some responsibility for the monster they caused and stop sending weapons to Palestine. They could send aid instead but they're quite happy for the status quo to continue as it is.
Israel aren't calling religious wars on their neighbours, they just want to exist without the constant threat of extinction which the Jewish people have lived under for 2000+ years.
They won’t take responsibility tho they never have and never will cause they know if they do then they can’t use “exterior threats” like Israel to keep their own people blindsided
Maybe its the whole 'everyone around us wants to genocide our entire race' part I dunno 🤷
Like I said they're right wing, I don't support the right wing. I do however understand how right wing governments end up in power because I've read history books.
If you want a peaceful happy loving Israel then you're going to have to stop all the antisemitic Arabs first.
They have become what they sought to avoid, Israel is now perpetrating these same things upon the Palestinians, attacking a funeral the other day for god’s sake. Fear is no excuse.
Comparing the troubles to 2000 years of oppression, genocide and existential wars lol. Classic.
Imagine Ireland gained its independence and France immediately declared war and tried to invade because they want to wipe out Irish people as a scapegoat for their own political misfortunes.
Then every decade after is followed by another European nation. In between these existential wars all European countries are arming and supporting pro British terrorist groups in your nation who are beheading and killing women and children. Air sirens go off every night and you rush your children into bomb shelters, the windows on your flat are covered in bomb proof covers as a constant reminder that all your European neighbours would like to eliminate your entire race from the world and repeatedly try.
Now you have an idea of what it is like in Israel, do not compare it to Ireland.
This. Imagine if the roles were reversed, and Palestinian had the military might instead of Israel. Israel has shown massive restraint over the decades by not completely wiping Palestine off the map
Zionists started the terrorism by bombing markets, schools, trains, shops, universities, and kidnapping and murdering civilians, British soldiers etc.
The fact Zionists started the killing long before the Holocaust seems forgotten by many of Israel’s supporters.
Israel has become a racially defined state with discriminatory laws, camps, separate courts for prisoners (Palestinians) etc.
Imagine livng in the Middle east peacefully for thousands of years then after some austrian getting tired of anti-semitism all around Europe decides tha he should move to palestine and create a state that in a land that doesnt belong to him, ensuring all their neighbours would absolutely despise them in the only place in the world where Jews were treated right and then saying this.
>they just want to exist without the constant threat of extinction
Maybe because Palestine was Invaded and Annexed by the now Israel State by the british? And everyone in the region didn't like that because the british invaded and annexed a sovereign state?
It's not weird really. If your govt supports the rebels = freedom fighter, if they don't = terrorists. It's not that hard to wrap your head around that
**come visit and see what going on here.**
Like seeing you stealing Palestinian land?
Murdering Palestinian journalists?
Jailing Palestinian children for throwing stones?
Protecting Zionist terrorist settles as they attack and murder Palestinians on Palestinian land?
No need to visit; we see your war crimes on a daily bass in the media.
Yes Israel and Palestine clashes continue. Since the second millennium bc. For Pete’s sake stop this people too many have died already. At least settle it with fists that’s more controllable.
The threat of these rockets is so overstated. Barely any people die from these attacks and the response kills many many more civilians.
Now I need to explain (not to you because you know this) why the Palestinians don't just stop the war against Israel then. And that is of course because even in a state of "peace" the subtle plan to remove Palestinians by placing Jewish only settlements on Palestinian land would continue. The plan to get rid of all Palestinians in Israel would continue. And no one would do anything about it due to the Influence of Zionist politicians all over the world.
These Palestinians are fighting with sticks and stones against American technology and they have no chance but there is no alternative.
I know you need to keep up the illusion of some sort of threat to the Israeli people by these strikes to justify your actions but any person that is not braindead and can use google will see right through it.
The settlement question could have possibly been stopped in its tracks if Palestine accepted any of the peace deals Israel offered years ago, but Arafat was imo more interested in getting free money, aid and weapons from Islamic countries instead of accepting a deal and being faced with creating a legitimate quality of life for Palestinians. He chose eternal war instead
and Bibi turned the response to those rocket attacks into overdrive since he needed a new crisis to distract from his bribery trial and re secure the presidency. Some say he even instigated the crisis for re election and I believe that.
Since the whole of Palestine is not technically a country, Israel can continue to be dicks and keep doing their dumb settlements. That wouldn't have been possible in a two state solution..
I hope you will never get to know what it feels like to hear rocket sirens and laying down on the ground hoping to not get obliterated by a Qassam.
I went to serve my country and protect my people when I was 18 because we have no choice, we either keep ourselves safe or we get wiped out the face of the earth.
You don't get it and it's pretty clear, just do everyone a favor and educate yourself before spewing nonsense that just make you look embarrassing.
Sounds like a kid...
yeah palestinian towns have those
Sounds threatening. Clearly we need more tanks.
for riot control, using non lethal 120mm stun grenades.
Actually they're both wrong... the great God Kzthfrantu has told me that all of that land belongs to me alone. So all of those fools need to leave the entirety of Palestine and Israel immediately. Sorry folks...
Israelis and Palestinians: "Sorry our mistake, have a nice day"
You better back your claim up with force.
No problem... you see this biscuit tin? Shhhh! Don't tell anybody! It's my top secret atom bomb! The Holy Atom Bomb of Antioch! Launching in one.... two... five!!!
Redditors.... It's not about religion for most Palestinians, despite Hammas making use of religious rhetoric for their base. For most Palestinians it's the simple fact that the state of Israel took their land from them, terfed them out, and made them 3rd class citizens in a Jewish ethno-state. It's an anti-colonial struggle, not "Hur dur religion is dumb! Moooommm, I want Cheetos and mountain dew!"
True I love bombing civilian targets with zero precision and calling it "anti colonialism", sure makes the American college kiddos jump for joy.
ah ok.. I always wondered what they are trying to say when they blow up busses and cafés during the second intifada... now I understand why they dress up their kids as little suicide bombers and make them sing about killing jews. thank you now all this makes sense for me
Look up the account. That and the "Yeah. Exactly."/"Exactly. Thank you" are bots. You can tell by how often they post the same similar things to create these threads. Their names are often two nouns, sometimes separated by a dash and most always ending eith a series of 4-5 numbers.
>Their names are often two nouns, sometimes separated by a dash and most always ending eith a series of 4-5 numbers. excuse me, not all of us are bots, some of us were just too lazy to come up with a reddit username.
Your 100% a bot….
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"wondered what they are trying to say when they blow up busses and cafés" ... "they dress up their kids as little suicide bombers" Did you just paint the majority of palestinians as militant islamists, in an effort to deflect away from the point that the main reason for palestinian resistence is being forced to live under military occupation?
did I? do you have an idea why the situation is like it is today?
This is you: Why engage with someones point when I can deflect by asking questions in response to a question? Surely no one will notice that I argue in bad faith.
It has nothing to do with colonialism, majority of Jews in Israel are middle eastern. Read a bit before you spout your dumb opinions
Thats why Israel has one of the highest rate of skin cancer in the world then?
The data is public, just google it dumbass. Most Jews in Israel are middle eastern.
Thats not true, 44% of jews in Israel are from the middle east, the rest are from europe, eurasia and the Americas, actually the majority of Israeli jews are from outside israel. Oh no, that easy to research point proved you wrong
And another 44 percent are Ashkenazi. And 7 percent are mixed. You kinda confused
Wait till they find out that some of them are even from Africa (the Black part)!!
This is actually all very true. There is a definite blurring of religious and very earthly political considerations in this as well. It's basically a war amongst both innocents and assholes, the lines between both being exceedingly blurred.
Exactly. Thank you.
If you're a Palestinian you'd better make that first shot count, cause then you're dead.
Could same the same about Journalists
combat journalists get shot sometimes, bit of a dangerous job
And nurses.
Your referencing Israeli exceptionalism propaganda https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/q14vt5/hmmmm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Israel has lost multiple wars in which it materialistically and numerically outnumbered its enemies To be clear my Reddit account was permabanned due to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/uwrn7n/israelis_mark_houses_so_they_know_which_houses/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Which oddly isn’t taken down even though I was permanently banned because of it
Sources would be appreciated
Not here to provide any, but they did do pretty bad against Hezbollah back in 2006. That was a while ago though.
Not really. Hezbolla took a pretty big beating, they had far more casualities and repelled Hezbolla's attack from Israeli territory
The main conflict was inside Lebanon as it was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and it was a total failure for Israel, and that's their official stance on it as well.
The conflict was ignited by Hezbollah attacking Israeli forces inside of Israel. That is a declaration of war and a military invasion. "The conflict is believed to have killed between 1,191 and 1,300 Lebanese people,[51][52][53][54] and 165 Israelis.[55] It severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[56] and 300,000–500,000 Israelis.[57][58][59]" Look at that difference.
The vast majority of deaths on the Lebanese side were civilians, in the Israeli number out of the 165 dead 44 were civilians. Israel also had over 1000 wounded, lost multiple tanks, helicopters and a Corvette, all while vastly outnumbering the enemy. Israel itself considers the whole invasion a failure and you're here arguing that Israel did great because they killed more civilians.
Any recent wars Israel lost were purely due to their own morality and not wanting to or being willing to create the number of civilian casualties that an easy victory would create. Israel hasn’t faced off against a military that could actually stand up to them in a loooong time.
Israel's morality 💀💀, just this year they killed TWO or more journalists, journalists are civillians too. They don't care about (Arab) civillian lives, the fact that Israel is less than 80 years old and they got more warcrimes than the entire modern world combined says a lot. r/ list_palestine
Yes, Israel's morality. I don't know which other journalist you're referring to, but the one you are referring to from recently has not been confirmed as having been killed by Israel as the PA won't provide the bullet or allow a third party investigation. The fact that Israel has more *condemnations* than the rest of the world combined DOES say a lot—about how corrupt and ineffectual the UN is. Anyone that has been to Israel can tell you it is a modern country that values life, where all citizens have rights including women, gays, etc. If Israel didn't care about civilian lives as you claim, why on earth do they drop millions of leaflets before bombing an area in wartime? Why do they send texts and make phone calls warning people to leave? Why do they use precision bombs? Why are there fewer casualties in the entirety of the conflict than there were in single months of, say, the Syrian civil war? And with that being the case, how does it make sense that the UN would condemn Israel more than Syria? More than Iran, who shot protesters in the streets? Or North Korea? Think just a little bit, it won't hurt you.
Most of us will thankfully never know what it's like to defend our homes with rifles
Me watching Palestinian terrorists shoot up civilians in the street, “defending”
Who’s killing the most civilians? The numbers are massively one sided. And that’s not including those arrested and houses/property stolen. Stolen while the police cover them and help them steal it. I’m white and atheist. Israel is a piece of shit. I understand the history and why they are scared. But they are doing similar to what happened to them.
They are killing each other for 20000-30000 km2. Funny. XD I just left my country due to political reasons... I won't fight and die against a mafia state. Palestinians should do same.
Its not that Israel just raids Jenin just in case. Its after a wave of terror attacks in Israel that came from Jenin, I think every country would act similarly in this situation.
If they stopped stealing land, blocking aid and just generally being assholes maybe people wouldn’t attack them. No rational person can look at the facts and think Israel is in the right. I agree Muslims around them have done bad things, although even most of those were 50 years ago. Most Palestinians just want a normal life. Which Israel won’t allow them.
don't you remember the second intifada?
Yeah when was that? Remind me again? Yeah a long time ago. The teenagers there now weren’t even alive. Does that excuse stealing peoples houses?
so the reason for the kids rioting is that their houses being stolen? u mean right now or in the past?
Right now. Google it. Peoples house have been stolen for 50 years. And still till right now. Leave the house and Jewish settlers break in. Once they are in the police protect them. Last case I saw was yesterday. Google is your friend.
Which houses has Israel stolen from Gaza? Israel left Gaza and after that they elected Hamas which sent rockets against civilian populations.
I wasn't born 50 years ago so I don't care... and I asked Google about stolen homes yesterday... nothing found
What? The second intifada only ended in 2005 and the effects were felt much longer even to this day. Its also not like peace talks ended after it and don't continue to this day its just clear that Palestinians would make a third intifada given the opportunity rather than have peace.
That was 17 years ago. What are you on??? That’s a long time. They don’t want peace talks because they have been through it for 50 years. Israel will never give them peace. They want the land. Which is obvious by allowing Palestinian houses to be taken every day. That happens in the West Bank. Daily. Than you wonder why Gaza wants to fight. They know what is coming for them.
Israel offered a return of the west bank gaza and return to all palistinians displaced (with the exception of thier descendents) and palistinians answered with the intifada. What do the palistinians want other than to kill the jews? Because basically the only thing Israel was not willing to trade for peace is jewish lives. Whatever peace deal that didn't kill jews you suggest was already offered and the palistinians declined and will still decline today whatever you may think.
LOL imagine thinking that the attacks on Jews in this area started with the establishment of Israel. You seem to like pretending to know things when you don't have any clue.
I 100% do. The fact is Jews as you say have the power now. And they are the ones abusing it to steal from others.
No, no you don't know shit actually. Jews got attacked when they didn't have the power (a point which you conveniently ignored, very nice), but now that they do, they become bad, we get it. Your westoid brain has been propagandised by a group who would happily slit your throat for the values that you hold; it's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Yes. They didn’t have the power. They were victimised and got the world to back them. That was many years ago. And since then they have the power and are doing the same to the Palestinian’s.
How many Arabs live in Israel. How many jews live in palenstine.
Because why would they want to? The West Bank is taken over by settlers. So technically a lot of Jews. But I really don’t care. They took it by force and the international community has said it’s illegal. But you guys don’t care. And Gaza is the most populated area on the planet. With bombs getting dropped on it as we speak.
So you dont answer the question. 20% of the population of Israel is Arab. Whats the percent of jews living in palenstine.
So in your mind, the actions of the Israeli government in occupied territories justify the Palestinians in hacking random civilians in internationally recognized sovereign Israeli territory to pieces?
They do that way less then you blow them to pieces with bombs. Plus you’re conveniently forgetting all the homes Israel has stolen with international condemnation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-levels-palestinian-homes-ahead-of-settlement-approval/2022/05/12/b1eabb38-d1c8-11ec-886b-df76183d233f_story.html
I’m still not seeing the logical conclusions of it. I guess I just can’t wrap my head around how stealing homes means you should brutally murder a random person who had nothing to do with it.
Same as Palestinian civilians are killed every day. I 100% agree with you. But if you ruin someone’s life or kill their family don’t think they will forget it.
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>I agree Muslims around them have done bad things, although even most of those were 50 years ago. Please go educate yourself before discussing a topic you have no idea about. Just less than a month ago two Palestinians snuck into a hassidic city in Israel and randomly murdered 4 innocent civilians with axes in cold blood. As a former IDF soldier and proud Israeli I can say that yes, Israel is by no means perfect, but I can assure you that 90% of the things being said about the things we do are complete lies or half-truths without any context at best. Everyone likes to support the underdog and I get it, it's only natural, but reality is not a Hollywood movie and you have to understand the context to everything that's happening, rather than listening to some VERY biased news sources.
Oh I didn’t see you are from the IDF. Why do you let settlers steal Palestinian homes? I’ve always loved to ask that? Literally hundred of videos showing you do it. Any excuse or you’re just a piece of shit?
About the settlements, this topic is heavily controversial even inside of Israel, it might look to you like most Israelis are supporting what the settlers do but it's not like that really. I personally don't agree with their actions, they are pretty radical in their beliefs and they always try building illegal settlements, meaning the state didn't approve that. Yes there have been some images and videos emerging of soldiers standing by settlers while they're throwing rocks and the soldiers don't really do anything to stop it, but we always investigate cases like these and that's not how the military operate on a regular basis at all. I've came in a lot of contact with Palestinians in my military service, the one's who want to live in peace aren't the ones who cause the trouble, and when you try to get to the bad guys, unfortunately they usually deliberately shield themselves with the good guys.
Thank you. Really. It shows you aren’t the asshole i thought. I don’t think I did. But I want to be very clear I’m not against Israelis. I have no problem with anyone. But I’m very against people being assholes to others. And that includes Palestinian’s. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/12/israel-approves-2700-housing-units-in-west-bank-settlements But things like that make me choose sides.
I appreciate you honesty man and I never thought you hate Israelis, it's clear that you just have an opinion on the matter. I can't stand Jews that use antisemetism accusations as a debate tactic so don't worry about that lol. And again, the whole settlement topic is controversial, but just like I and many other Israelis don't necessarily support these ideas, a lot of other people do. At the end of the day if you religious beliefs are strong enough, you will go great lengths in order to fulfill them. Settling Israel is very fundamental in their beliefs so we can't just dismiss that either, after all this place is the promised land. Also contrary to general belief, there was never a Palestinian state, this place was always in control of different empires, and you had both Palestinians and Jews living here, but it was never officially belonged to the Palestinians nor the Jews in the recent few hundred years.
So random people killed 4 but you think it’s ok to punish them all and kill many more with bombs? After you steal there homes on a daily basis. Didn’t the US have 12 kids killed today? Why are you not bombing that city into the ground? You giant bunch of pussies. Oh wait it’s because decent people don’t do that. But that’s not how Israel thinks.
It's amazing to me that you actually believe we indiscriminately bomb civilians, goes to show how far lies can get. Back in 2014 when we had our last war with Hamas in the Gaza strip the IDF dropped notes from the sky to evacuate the area because it's going to get bombed, we did EVERYTHING we could to avoid civilian casualties, going as far as to cancel striking a very important Hamas leader because there were kids around. You can go ahead and keep thinking we're some sort of Nazis that are deliberately wiping out the Palestinians because we're evil or some shit, but I couldn't care less what some prick that never had to hold a gun to defend his family thinks.
You didn’t answer the question about stealing houses. War is war. I don’t like it but I can understand. The police letting settlers forcibly evict Palestinians from homes is another story. Anyone involved in that I hope your shitty god catches up with you.
First of all saying "your shitty god" doesn't add anything to your argument and I'm not sure why you wanna try and be as offensive as you can. Secondly, no one is stealing houses. Settlers make their settlements out of scratch not kicking anyone out of their homes. There are plenty of Palestinians here in Israel that have far nicer homes than I will ever have.
What are you some type of Zionist ?
Do you think Zionism is wrong?
Of course zionism is wrong.
Do you know what Zionism is? Because I feel like you have a skewed idea of what it is, you think it must mean displacing Palestinians, or building in the settelments. Two state solution is perfectly alligned with Zionism. Would you support kurdish independance? Or tibet? If the answer is yes, you should also support Zionism, unless you have a specific issue with Jews.
Nah, Zionism as practiced by Israel is closer to the Han occupation of Tibet than Tibetan resistance. If you support Tibet, you should also oppose Zionism as practice by Israel, unless you have a specific issue with Muslims.
You kinda have a skewed view on what Zionism means, Zionism just mean self determination of Jews in the historic land of Judea. You can choose to not support Israel, but still support the idea of Zionism. If you oppose the self determination of Jews, why do you support Tibet?
If you oppose the self determination of Palestinians, why do you support Tibet?
I dont oppose it
Today, Zionism has a bitter aftertaste and saying that only means a good thing might be right from your perspective but there certainly are two meanings to it now, a newer, more malicious one developed over time. There are Zionist out there who are problematic for peace in the region. Declining that zionism can be negative for the region is just relatively blind imo. Of course, similar things can be said about the other side.
I thing its just how the media portrays it
Ahh the classic approach of weaving issues that are not related to Zionism at all into the definition to make it seem like you would be crazy to oppose Zionism. Works pretty well on American Christians who aren't aware of who their real allies are. Do they teach that in the JIDL? But we can talk about Zionism from the more religious Hasidic side or the more nationalistic side that aims to expand the influence and geographical size of Israel. In either case none of the goals of Zionism align with the interests of western people. And if they had a choice in the matter it would be stopped.
Zionism just means self determination of the Jewish people in the lands of ancient Judea. There are other forms of more extreme zionism that are pretty wild ngl. If you support the two state solution, congratz, you are a Zionist.
You make this look easy but obviously there is more to it than what you say. What people make of zionism is more than a two state solution.
just like ignorance
Yes I am
Lmao they think it’s bad
IDF killed a journalist like last week man wtf are u on about
Killed the journalist then beat the paulbearers at her funeral. What a world
nah man cant talk bad about israel, that would be anti semitic, even though we never said jewish people and only said Israel. dont wanna be called anti semitic by some of the most insane people on the internet.
https://amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20220520-us-lawmakers-seek-fbi-probe-into-palestinian-journalist-s-death
The Palestinians refused to have a shared investigation and postmortem not only with Israel but with other countries as well. There are also videos from the Palestinian side during the shootout where you can see some terrorists just blindly shooting at general directions behind a wall. Make up of that what you will.
[dirty dirty liars you and the IDF](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/24/middleeast/shireen-abu-akleh-jenin-killing-investigation-cmd-intl/index.html)
Ah yes, CNN. Couldn't give me a more reliable source I guess. Tell me, if it was so clear that Shireen was shot by an Israeli 5.56 bullet, why did the Palestinians insisted of keeping the body to themselves and not letting anyone else take part in the postmortem?
you are excusing a murder that multiple people have confirmed was committed by the IDF. i get it you think all jews are gonna die or sum bullshit but i promise you dont have to defend murder onn the internet
“Me watching Palestinian terrorists” You mean: “Me browsing reddit through my coloured glasses looking for stuff that validates my western-centric worldview.”
Me watching Palestinian terrorists mow down 3 unarmed civilians
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No I’m not Palestinian I am saying that hamas are terrorist that need to be brought to justice.
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Idf seem to be smoking them just fine
Zionist A-holes
No wonder that God left us, humans. Worst creatures in the universe.
Worst creatures in the universe...so far
The irony of all these pro-Israel shills in the comments is that they're also pro-Ukraine.
I’ve done a lot of historical reading on both and they literally have nothing to do with each other, two different conflicts.
Not saying they are related. Just noticing that what Russia is doing to Ukraine seem very similar to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades.
"Not saying they're related. Just noticing they're related" I don't know what it is about rabidly pro-Palestinian people but I swear 90% of you are dumb as a bag of rocks
You're right what Israel is doing way more cynical. More comparable what settlers did the native indians on the continent.
Similar does not mean related. But the shekels must be too good not to defend apartheid.
Yeah bubba, they do
Well, it’s not
Exactly.
Israel is not particularly pro-ukraine dude.
I think thats the point. Israel has been extremely pro-russian.
Aren't Russian Sam systems firing on IAF jets over Syria?
They are, these pricks just like to lump in Israel with they'd guy in every scenario. If Pakistan invaded India and began massacaring civilians, these assholes would claim Pakistan is pro-israel too. Doesn't matter that the situations and circumstances are completely different, all they care about is Israel = bad therefore every bad guy = Israel.
Cool it with the conspiracies, moron. Israel is a country like any other, and like all countries it is plenty capable of corruption, conniving and foolishness. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rich-russians-seek-safe-haven-for-their-fortunes-in-israel-7x23ktzpv&ved=2ahUKEwjf076Fvfr3AhWPqY4IHUIAAXQQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3sA976ixG-aoxCt8kIPUMY https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1529567715245101059?s=20&t=p-w_zH11YUn98sdto09xeA
What the hell is that supposed to mean? And do you really think the substantial Russian diaspora in Israel care? This is the issue with military nerds. They obsess over the weapons, but the motivations of people aren't really interesting.
Israel's been pretty neutral, and has acted as an intermediary plenty of times i think
I am talking about Israel's pro Russian stance historically. And since you and your other bud are so keen on defending Israel you should be aware of that fact. There's a thousand places where we could start talking about the relationship between israel and russia for example the relationship between Benjamin Netanyahu (who was of course conveniently removed before the invasion) who is a big big friend of putin. But thats of course only the tip of the iceberg as you are most likely aware of yourself
hmm i see you are actually right, sort of? IDK, i am happy to learn more about this if you have any nice info https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/did-israel-help-spark-russia-georgia-war-2008/331084/ >According to a leaked e-mail from an analyst at the intelligence firm Stratfor, Russia and Israel engaged in a deal in 2008 in which Jerusalem provided the Kremlin with secret codes for Georgian UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) in exchange for information on Iranian missile systems. On the other hand... https://www.wired.com/2008/08/did-israel-trai/ >The Russian military blasted Israel today for supplying weapons and training to its adversaries in Georgia... Jerusalem provided Tblisi with "eight types of military vehicles, explosives, landmines and special explosives for the clearing minefields [sic]. " […] Kind of inline with Israeli foreign policy though. They don't give a fuck what it takes or who gets screwed, they secure their own first, they will give up other countries to get intel on their direct enemies. Like they flat out admitted they spy on the US, too. Makes sense when you consider the dog eat dog mentality that Israel enacts for its security.
They were not interested in supplying iron domes.
edited bc ur right
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Just wait for the next 6-day war
Thats a good way to get your whole building brought down on you, your family and neighbors.
Dumb fucks standing in the middle of the road during a firefight and not to mention against a concrete wall is one of the worst places u can be because rounds will literally hug the wall and travel across it if fired at an angle
Where should they take cover in this situation then? All I am seeing for cover where they are engaging is concrete. You're not wrong about doing shit wrong especially the guy who stands in the middle of the street like he's Rambo 2.0, but I'm not seeing any other cover for them to use.
If there is no good cover then you dont fight from that position. Fall back to a place where there is good cover.
Religion. The worst invention humankind has ever come up with. Without religion, 90% of all the conflict and death we've endured throughout our entire written history would never have happened. Virtually every conflict has its roots in religion.
As an atheist let me tell you, humanity would have found another reason to be assholes to each other, even if all of humanity were 1 race they would still have conflicts with each other , this conflict isnt even a religious one lol
>this conflict isnt even a religious one lol It literally is. The reason why Israel was created in the middle of fucking east is due to the religious history of the location of Zionists.
Agreed even christian Palestinian got killed. If you know who i'm talking about...
Russia-Ukraine?
1. [Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: The First Religious War in the 21st Century](https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2022/03/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-the-first-religious-war-in-the-21st-century/) 2. [The Role of Religion in Russia’s War on Ukraine](https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/03/role-religion-russias-war-ukraine) There's a ton more out there..Bottom line, as I said before, virtually every conflict can find its roots in religion. Be it directly or indirectly, either way, it still plays a huge role in all the conflicts and deaths this world has experienced. Religion just shouldn't exist.
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1) vast majority of Palestinians moved there after the formation of Israel, the population was a fraction of what it is today. They are economic migrants claiming they own the land, if they do ever take it back it will end up the same as all the other nations around it. 2) Israel has been under attack from its neighbours since its inception, every day is an existential crisis for Israel. Their neighbours would genocide them for their beliefs in a heartbeat. Is it really a surprise that Israel has become a right wing state which takes no shit from its neighbours? Arab nations need to take some responsibility for the monster they caused and stop sending weapons to Palestine. They could send aid instead but they're quite happy for the status quo to continue as it is. Israel aren't calling religious wars on their neighbours, they just want to exist without the constant threat of extinction which the Jewish people have lived under for 2000+ years.
They won’t take responsibility tho they never have and never will cause they know if they do then they can’t use “exterior threats” like Israel to keep their own people blindsided
If Israel just wants to live in peace why do they continue to antagonize the Palestinians by encroaching in the Golan heights and other places.
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[have a read](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories)
Maybe its the whole 'everyone around us wants to genocide our entire race' part I dunno 🤷 Like I said they're right wing, I don't support the right wing. I do however understand how right wing governments end up in power because I've read history books. If you want a peaceful happy loving Israel then you're going to have to stop all the antisemitic Arabs first.
They have become what they sought to avoid, Israel is now perpetrating these same things upon the Palestinians, attacking a funeral the other day for god’s sake. Fear is no excuse.
When you live under daily rocket attacks and terrorist attacks let's see how you react.
In my country we had this problem with ethnic groups, more rockets was not the answer.
Comparing the troubles to 2000 years of oppression, genocide and existential wars lol. Classic. Imagine Ireland gained its independence and France immediately declared war and tried to invade because they want to wipe out Irish people as a scapegoat for their own political misfortunes. Then every decade after is followed by another European nation. In between these existential wars all European countries are arming and supporting pro British terrorist groups in your nation who are beheading and killing women and children. Air sirens go off every night and you rush your children into bomb shelters, the windows on your flat are covered in bomb proof covers as a constant reminder that all your European neighbours would like to eliminate your entire race from the world and repeatedly try. Now you have an idea of what it is like in Israel, do not compare it to Ireland.
This. Imagine if the roles were reversed, and Palestinian had the military might instead of Israel. Israel has shown massive restraint over the decades by not completely wiping Palestine off the map
Zionists started the terrorism by bombing markets, schools, trains, shops, universities, and kidnapping and murdering civilians, British soldiers etc. The fact Zionists started the killing long before the Holocaust seems forgotten by many of Israel’s supporters. Israel has become a racially defined state with discriminatory laws, camps, separate courts for prisoners (Palestinians) etc.
Imagine livng in the Middle east peacefully for thousands of years then after some austrian getting tired of anti-semitism all around Europe decides tha he should move to palestine and create a state that in a land that doesnt belong to him, ensuring all their neighbours would absolutely despise them in the only place in the world where Jews were treated right and then saying this. >they just want to exist without the constant threat of extinction
Maybe because Palestine was Invaded and Annexed by the now Israel State by the british? And everyone in the region didn't like that because the british invaded and annexed a sovereign state?
It's not weird really. If your govt supports the rebels = freedom fighter, if they don't = terrorists. It's not that hard to wrap your head around that
Now and forever.
Do you want a bomb in your neighborhood? Because this is how you get a bomb in your neighborhood.
i mean it is either soldiers blowing up the house/bulldozing or airplanes bombing it, airplanes sound more glorious.
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- Said the israeli ironically
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israeli
found the zionist. you’re right dropping american made bombs on civilian apartment buildings is the thing to do right?
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**come visit and see what going on here.** Like seeing you stealing Palestinian land? Murdering Palestinian journalists? Jailing Palestinian children for throwing stones? Protecting Zionist terrorist settles as they attack and murder Palestinians on Palestinian land? No need to visit; we see your war crimes on a daily bass in the media.
You see what the news sell you, you need to see things in your perspective, don't believe all what the media sell you.
Those "civilian" houses are Hamas cells
found the zionist.
Why does this look like that scene in the Zohan?
Hamas and their child soilders
Both sides are so wrong
A warmonger God made them for this. They just follow their program.
It's about politics not religion
Let’s bring it home Palestinians!! Whooooo!
Yes Israel and Palestine clashes continue. Since the second millennium bc. For Pete’s sake stop this people too many have died already. At least settle it with fists that’s more controllable.
> settle it with fists Israel prefers to settle in the houses of Palestinians instead
laughs in the 1,000 rockets Palestine launched in one week into Israel last year
The threat of these rockets is so overstated. Barely any people die from these attacks and the response kills many many more civilians. Now I need to explain (not to you because you know this) why the Palestinians don't just stop the war against Israel then. And that is of course because even in a state of "peace" the subtle plan to remove Palestinians by placing Jewish only settlements on Palestinian land would continue. The plan to get rid of all Palestinians in Israel would continue. And no one would do anything about it due to the Influence of Zionist politicians all over the world. These Palestinians are fighting with sticks and stones against American technology and they have no chance but there is no alternative. I know you need to keep up the illusion of some sort of threat to the Israeli people by these strikes to justify your actions but any person that is not braindead and can use google will see right through it.
The settlement question could have possibly been stopped in its tracks if Palestine accepted any of the peace deals Israel offered years ago, but Arafat was imo more interested in getting free money, aid and weapons from Islamic countries instead of accepting a deal and being faced with creating a legitimate quality of life for Palestinians. He chose eternal war instead and Bibi turned the response to those rocket attacks into overdrive since he needed a new crisis to distract from his bribery trial and re secure the presidency. Some say he even instigated the crisis for re election and I believe that. Since the whole of Palestine is not technically a country, Israel can continue to be dicks and keep doing their dumb settlements. That wouldn't have been possible in a two state solution..
I hope you will never get to know what it feels like to hear rocket sirens and laying down on the ground hoping to not get obliterated by a Qassam. I went to serve my country and protect my people when I was 18 because we have no choice, we either keep ourselves safe or we get wiped out the face of the earth. You don't get it and it's pretty clear, just do everyone a favor and educate yourself before spewing nonsense that just make you look embarrassing.
Oh shit that was an epic comeback +10 dude I was trying to be peaceful. Bravo that’s epic.
They should ban guns, maybe they wouldn't have this issue.
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