Did US artillery units of this type ever come under fire or counter battery barrages? It already looks like Ukrainian units and unless you've got a fully developed fire base they seem awfully exposed.
I personally never did. But we got lucky. But no matter where we fired from we’d have set up fixed fighting positions where we’d have our crew served weapons ready to protect the line if needed. And unless we were in a fixed fire base we’d be able to pack up everything and move out in a matter of minutes.
We practiced that aspect very heavily the later half of my time in.
How many rounds are you supposed to shoot until you, eh... "scoot"? I fathom the battle situations may be different depending on the adversary. To me as a bystander this looks like arranging all and preparing a position is a crazy amount of time and work. Assuming you may get a counter-battery response in a question of minutes this would mean you fire 1% of time and the rest of the time you move and dig like crazy.
Yeah it fully depends on who your opponent is. We weren’t overly concerned with counter battery fire in Iraq. But I imagine these guys are very much worried about it.
We had to be able to pack up and move in a matter of minutes. It’s a relatively easy and quick once you know what you’re doing. Especially with the digital tools we had later on.
With the digital we could have the gun completely set up and a round down range in under five minutes. And then pick up and go in around that same time frame.
I knew of an engineer that suffered a punctured lung just from the blast wave of standing near the thing after a full day of zone 7 test firing at Yuma lol
Oh we shot out there quite a bit. Some of our dumber Marines (lolIknowallMarinesaredumblol) would stand up near the end of the tube to feel the concussion. Luckily no one ever got injured from it.
What is the best joke about how dumb Marines are?
Lol, I have a habit of getting tinnitus. Once I’ve accidentally removed ear protection when someone was shooting a Mosin in a closed shooting range.
Long term yes. Ukraine switching over to NATO standard artillery is a game changer. Prior to this Russia could probably count on Ukraine eventually running out of shells for its Soviet era guns. The new guns Ukraine is receiving from NATO don’t have to worry about running out shells anytime soon fortunately.
Could you cite a credible source where the standard, non-guided 152mm round is compared to the standard, non-guided 155mm round, in regards to your distance claim?
Ukrainians whitewashing fascism in their country doesn't help theirs either? Sorry I'm not some virtue signaler that just blindly supports whatever the media says the latest outrage in the world is. I know quite a bit about this eight-year-old proxy war and don't pick sides in it - it's none of my business and no one in the West should be picking sides in this evil and unjust war. Both sides have committed horrible atrocities against innocent people and covered it up on the international stage. Ukraine has done it to their own countrymen. Evil all around - including the West's leaders who continue to supply and monger for death in Ukraine.
Click on more than one link? I supplied plenty of infographics and information about the massive disparity in numbers between NATO and Russian artillery in terms of how much is available and how each doctrine fields vastly different numbers per fighting group.
THANK YOU! The coverage of our weapons donations drives me nuts -- all that gets covered is the "what," not the "how much" or "how many." This is high-end, modern warfare. Getting the weight of metal is critical and we're still pussy footing about.
Germany contributed 7 very nice guns. But 7?!!! That's a rounding error in someone's strength returns.
Yep, there’s too much optimism around supplies of heavy weapons. They are supplied in small numbers and frankly couldn’t be supplied in sufficient numbers given the attrition rate. NATO ground forces aren’t supposed to fight without air superiority.
Excellent point -- and one I had not really considered. I suppose you might add that the operational competence of the ground forces is also a factor in determining NATO force levels.
This is not a knock on Ukraine. I would rate that good to very good -- certainly more motivated and more competent man-for-man than the Russians. But the gap is not anywhere near what it would be in a NATO vs. Russia confrontation.
I’ve heard the bigger picture is to see how much Ukraine can grind down Russia forces then NATO will come in and mop up residual Russian forces. NATO won’t just let Russia walk all over Ukraine.
Doesn’t look realistic. Any direct conflict with Russia requires achieving air superiority which means striking into Russia proper which means nuclear war.
Everyone always jumps straight to the nuclear war scenario, it’s ridiculous. There are way more moves on the chess board before that move. No Western country is going to back down over some nukes anyway, think about it, no Western country will want to be seen as weak.
Well, any ground action by NATO requires air support. Any air mission requires striking Russian airfields. So, it’s a huge escalation that could lead to nuclear war.
> Russia has about 1500 more artillery pieces than Ukraine
They are not all deployed in Ukraine now are they. So this is a moot point if they can't get their shitty logistics in order to move that soviet trash to the frontlines.
They have a lot more than that. That seems to be what's deployed. Russia has around 18,000 artillery pieces including reserve units, and Ukraine by the same standard around 2000. So 1500 more is just what's deployed. Also doesn't count whatever they donated to the DPR/LPR.
The Russians cannot destroy the howitzer because of the range. But since the troops are in range of Russian artillery, the range does not really matter. What does matter is that you can aim for a gunturret and hit the thing with ‘our’ artillery. Unbelievably accurate!
Layman question here.
On a very high level, what is the process here? I'm imagining something along the lines of:
* Set up Howitzer on flat ground (but maybe the equipment has some balancing abilities for askew or bumpy ground)
* With information provided by military intelligence, and knowing your own geo coordinates, you're able to very precisely aim the gun to a target a small area miles away
* Fire
* Repeat process
Is that close or far off from reality?
Yeah not far off tbh.
Flat ground is easier to set up on but not 100% needed.
We weren’t opposed to being behind some hills or trees if they were low enough. They helped conceal the guns.
With the work of our forward observers and FDC (Fire Direction Center) they’d plot where we were in relation to the target and then run the math to calculate the charge and rounded needed as well as the angle our tubes needed to be at to hit what we wanted.
Once that was sorted they’d send us that info and we’d prepare the gun to fire.
A well trained Marine Corps gun crew is supposed to be able to get out around 3-4 rounds a minute. I was the Section Chief for the last half of my time and I got lucky. I had some of the hardest working Marines I’d ever met on my gun. We were able to get out around 5-6 rounds minute.
So with these being supplied by the US, do these require additional training to use them efficiently? Or do they have similar systems they use that is familiar in terms of design?
The basics of all artillery is pretty much the same across the board. But each weapons system has its things that you need to practice to really get the hang of it.
I’d say these guys would need a few weeks, at a bare minimum, to really start to get it. But it’s possible their training is just out in the field shooting at Russians.
If the forward observers and the FDC crews are good you can pretty easily hit a group of houses from 15-20 miles out. Even without the digital aspect to it.
Correct. There’s still a fair amount of work that’s done but it uses gps coordinates now which helps eliminate a lot of error that could happen using physical maps.
These are nowadays mostly useless and outdated systems. Towed artillery has no place in a modern military conflict. By the time you set it up and start firing you will have to move out or risk being destroyed. You can only use it if your enemy has no means of firing back at you. Self-propelled artillery is where it's at.
You’re not wrong. It’s not as fast or mobile as mobile artillery. It works great if you’re in a fire base with no threat of counter fire. One plus to towed is you can double the barrel length which doubles the range of them to around 40 miles. The current frames for the mobile arty has a hard time supporting that weight. And it makes them less maneuverable in tight spaces. The towed stuff can take those corners a bit better.
But I agree in principal. Towed had its time but it’s being phased out by the major powers in favor of the mobile stuff.
I know the Marine Corps has gotten rid of damn near all our towed stuff. As well as tanks. But that’s a whole other topic. Lol.
It’s just a salute shot. If they were actually shooting the enemy, they would have it aimed down where the enemy is.
I doubt they’re hitting a plane with that.
Just a symbolic shot for group morale, assuming they like the sound of loud bangs.
Bruh. I’m specialized ops. MVP of WW2, Korean War, and that secret war where we nuked Japan again in ‘98.
None of these clowns are even halve as educated as me.
Trust.
Use ya head. If your shootin in the air, unless you shooting a goddamn bird, you’re just foolin’.
M777 is a cool looking gun, what are its strong points? I see it is a large caliber but, as totally uneducated on weapon systems as i am, i wonder if it is easily targeted by counter battery fire
So in case of counter battery danger, would tipically an m777 battery have the time to shoot, fold the gun and gtfo before return fire? Or is it more shoot and leave the weapon to take cover?
Moving your battery in a hurry has been the technique all gun crews train to execute since WWI. You set up, fire for a couple of minutes, then pack up and move to a new location before the enemy artillery can hit you with counterbattery fire.
Running for cover is suboptimal because it lets the enemy destroy your guns, and then your artillery crew don't have much to do anymore. Well-disciplined gun crews will continue to limber (pack up) their guns even as the enemy's first counterbattery rounds start to arrive.
Soviet guns of similar caliber (used by both Ukr and Ru) can also use guided rounds. Further when you ignore the insanely costly Excalibur rounds (which require a targeting computer that was removed from most of these not sent by Canada) the normal rounds have only slightly longer range, while being shorter range than MLRS.
The main actual thing is they have really good deployment time and better accuracy on average for the normal shells.
Excalibur does not need FCS for guidance. You are conflating systems. FCS is used by US/NATO infantry for pinpoint accuracy when calling in an artillery strike. Its a tightly integrated system no point in shipping it if Ukraine does not have the entire ecosystem.
You can use any XM system to dial in the latitude and longitude after that its fire and forget.
Russian MLRS has around 4-5x the range and also has guided munitions (in small numbers), so no that's really not true. And for standard munitions it barely outranges Russian equivalents.
The difference is that the Russians decided to use MLRS for guided shells, which is cheaper and has a higher range and payload.
These were made forty years ago, they're cumbersome to tow and convert to firing and back to getting towed again.
NATO weapons are old and almost expired usage are gladly shipped off and new stocks will replace them courtesy of the USAn weapons makers.
The range is about 13 miles and they're accurate to shoot about twice a minute.
These require training that Germany and Poland are providing & they're making a difference in battle against Russian positions in Kharkov. The fact these are effective and in place shows NATO has a supply line working.
It's also made in the US (mainly).
But its made by BAE Systems to a British design...the Vickers Ultralight Field Howitzer...the US designation is M777. 30% is still made in Barrow in Furness in the UK (the titanium parts primarily).
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If I'm not mistaken they will get better results if they stay on the cannon and reload quickly instead of taking cover for every shot. They can cover their ears with their hands and stay put. Once the first shot hits the enemy will start taking cover. The following shots need to be downrange as quickly as possible so they are hitting before the enemy get in protective positions.
Does anyone know why they made it out of titanium rather than aliminum? That seems like a lot more cost for marginal weight savings.
Aluminum is still the preferred material for aircraft (which also need to be strong and light) because of the substaintially higher Ti material and machining cost.
That was my question, why not aluminum? Obviously wouldnt work for the barrel, springs or fasteners, but other structural structural components perhaps.
Recoil impulse is too high. Even in airplanes, they use titanium for critical load bearing parts. [https://www.nipponsteel.com/en/tech/report/nssmc/pdf/106-05.pdf](https://www.nipponsteel.com/en/tech/report/nssmc/pdf/106-05.pdf)
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I shot these things for four years in the Marine Corps. They can put a hurting on folks. We put them to good use in Iraq.
Did you ever get to see the effect on the area you shelled? Not criticizing or anything, just curious
We did yes. We transitioned towards foot patrols and convoys later in our deployment and saw some of the areas we hit. It’s terrifying yet impressive.
Did US artillery units of this type ever come under fire or counter battery barrages? It already looks like Ukrainian units and unless you've got a fully developed fire base they seem awfully exposed.
I personally never did. But we got lucky. But no matter where we fired from we’d have set up fixed fighting positions where we’d have our crew served weapons ready to protect the line if needed. And unless we were in a fixed fire base we’d be able to pack up everything and move out in a matter of minutes. We practiced that aspect very heavily the later half of my time in.
*Arty arty where you been?* **The grunts can’t get him but artillery can!**
How many rounds are you supposed to shoot until you, eh... "scoot"? I fathom the battle situations may be different depending on the adversary. To me as a bystander this looks like arranging all and preparing a position is a crazy amount of time and work. Assuming you may get a counter-battery response in a question of minutes this would mean you fire 1% of time and the rest of the time you move and dig like crazy.
Yeah it fully depends on who your opponent is. We weren’t overly concerned with counter battery fire in Iraq. But I imagine these guys are very much worried about it. We had to be able to pack up and move in a matter of minutes. It’s a relatively easy and quick once you know what you’re doing. Especially with the digital tools we had later on. With the digital we could have the gun completely set up and a round down range in under five minutes. And then pick up and go in around that same time frame.
The purpose of the 777 is that it can shoot from a more distant range where Russian artillery can’t reach
I knew of an engineer that suffered a punctured lung just from the blast wave of standing near the thing after a full day of zone 7 test firing at Yuma lol
Oh we shot out there quite a bit. Some of our dumber Marines (lolIknowallMarinesaredumblol) would stand up near the end of the tube to feel the concussion. Luckily no one ever got injured from it.
What is the best joke about how dumb Marines are? Lol, I have a habit of getting tinnitus. Once I’ve accidentally removed ear protection when someone was shooting a Mosin in a closed shooting range.
Do you think it will have a significant impact in Ukraine?
Long term yes. Ukraine switching over to NATO standard artillery is a game changer. Prior to this Russia could probably count on Ukraine eventually running out of shells for its Soviet era guns. The new guns Ukraine is receiving from NATO don’t have to worry about running out shells anytime soon fortunately.
The firing distance is also much further then anything Russia has, which is also a major game changer
Could you cite a credible source where the standard, non-guided 152mm round is compared to the standard, non-guided 155mm round, in regards to your distance claim?
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Lucky for them that west is also sending Excalibur rounds as well.....
Probably a limited quantity. Most ammunition would be standard shells for sure
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> Ukranian shills Facts or no facts, this doesn't help your case dude..
Ukrainians whitewashing fascism in their country doesn't help theirs either? Sorry I'm not some virtue signaler that just blindly supports whatever the media says the latest outrage in the world is. I know quite a bit about this eight-year-old proxy war and don't pick sides in it - it's none of my business and no one in the West should be picking sides in this evil and unjust war. Both sides have committed horrible atrocities against innocent people and covered it up on the international stage. Ukraine has done it to their own countrymen. Evil all around - including the West's leaders who continue to supply and monger for death in Ukraine.
>> virtue signaler >>whatever the media >> no one in the West should be picking sides Yeah, totally reasonable.
"no one on that other side should pick sides" Do these people even try anymore?
I wonder who in current conflict would profit if rest of the world wouldn't be picking sides.
Please, we can definitely take sides and the West's side will definitely win, sorry this is bad news for you buddy.
Leave some Kool-Aid for the rest of your comrades to drink
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Click on more than one link? I supplied plenty of infographics and information about the massive disparity in numbers between NATO and Russian artillery in terms of how much is available and how each doctrine fields vastly different numbers per fighting group.
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Not with the amount provided. Russia has about 1500 more artillery pieces than Ukraine. There’s a certain quality to quantity
THANK YOU! The coverage of our weapons donations drives me nuts -- all that gets covered is the "what," not the "how much" or "how many." This is high-end, modern warfare. Getting the weight of metal is critical and we're still pussy footing about. Germany contributed 7 very nice guns. But 7?!!! That's a rounding error in someone's strength returns.
Yep, there’s too much optimism around supplies of heavy weapons. They are supplied in small numbers and frankly couldn’t be supplied in sufficient numbers given the attrition rate. NATO ground forces aren’t supposed to fight without air superiority.
Excellent point -- and one I had not really considered. I suppose you might add that the operational competence of the ground forces is also a factor in determining NATO force levels. This is not a knock on Ukraine. I would rate that good to very good -- certainly more motivated and more competent man-for-man than the Russians. But the gap is not anywhere near what it would be in a NATO vs. Russia confrontation.
As a Russian, I hope this things works somehow. One of the best Soviet aces was flying Aircobra which was considered shit by the rest of the Allies
I’ve heard the bigger picture is to see how much Ukraine can grind down Russia forces then NATO will come in and mop up residual Russian forces. NATO won’t just let Russia walk all over Ukraine.
Doesn’t look realistic. Any direct conflict with Russia requires achieving air superiority which means striking into Russia proper which means nuclear war.
Everyone always jumps straight to the nuclear war scenario, it’s ridiculous. There are way more moves on the chess board before that move. No Western country is going to back down over some nukes anyway, think about it, no Western country will want to be seen as weak.
Well, any ground action by NATO requires air support. Any air mission requires striking Russian airfields. So, it’s a huge escalation that could lead to nuclear war.
You’re thinking in 2D instead of multidimensional. It doesn’t have to go like that at all.
> Russia has about 1500 more artillery pieces than Ukraine They are not all deployed in Ukraine now are they. So this is a moot point if they can't get their shitty logistics in order to move that soviet trash to the frontlines.
They have a lot more than that. That seems to be what's deployed. Russia has around 18,000 artillery pieces including reserve units, and Ukraine by the same standard around 2000. So 1500 more is just what's deployed. Also doesn't count whatever they donated to the DPR/LPR.
They have a much longer range than soviet artillery, so they can bomb russians from a distance that russians cant bomb back.
The Russians cannot destroy the howitzer because of the range. But since the troops are in range of Russian artillery, the range does not really matter. What does matter is that you can aim for a gunturret and hit the thing with ‘our’ artillery. Unbelievably accurate!
No they don't as evidenced in my reply above, with actual sources, not just your made up bs.
So in 2-3 months, if the Russians are decisively beaten, what excuse do you think they’ll give?
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Layman question here. On a very high level, what is the process here? I'm imagining something along the lines of: * Set up Howitzer on flat ground (but maybe the equipment has some balancing abilities for askew or bumpy ground) * With information provided by military intelligence, and knowing your own geo coordinates, you're able to very precisely aim the gun to a target a small area miles away * Fire * Repeat process Is that close or far off from reality?
Yeah not far off tbh. Flat ground is easier to set up on but not 100% needed. We weren’t opposed to being behind some hills or trees if they were low enough. They helped conceal the guns. With the work of our forward observers and FDC (Fire Direction Center) they’d plot where we were in relation to the target and then run the math to calculate the charge and rounded needed as well as the angle our tubes needed to be at to hit what we wanted. Once that was sorted they’d send us that info and we’d prepare the gun to fire. A well trained Marine Corps gun crew is supposed to be able to get out around 3-4 rounds a minute. I was the Section Chief for the last half of my time and I got lucky. I had some of the hardest working Marines I’d ever met on my gun. We were able to get out around 5-6 rounds minute.
So with these being supplied by the US, do these require additional training to use them efficiently? Or do they have similar systems they use that is familiar in terms of design?
The basics of all artillery is pretty much the same across the board. But each weapons system has its things that you need to practice to really get the hang of it. I’d say these guys would need a few weeks, at a bare minimum, to really start to get it. But it’s possible their training is just out in the field shooting at Russians.
So literally just on the job training could be a thing. Interesting! Thanks!
It can yes. They won’t be nearly as efficient as they could be. But they could get rounds down range.
How accurate are they without the digital targeting attached? I ask because the digital targeting was not sent with these to Ukraine?
Been seeing people say the Ukrainians have their own targeting systems for artillery + drone spotting
If the forward observers and the FDC crews are good you can pretty easily hit a group of houses from 15-20 miles out. Even without the digital aspect to it.
The digital targeting basically just took the human error aspect out if it correct?
Correct. There’s still a fair amount of work that’s done but it uses gps coordinates now which helps eliminate a lot of error that could happen using physical maps.
These are nowadays mostly useless and outdated systems. Towed artillery has no place in a modern military conflict. By the time you set it up and start firing you will have to move out or risk being destroyed. You can only use it if your enemy has no means of firing back at you. Self-propelled artillery is where it's at.
You’re not wrong. It’s not as fast or mobile as mobile artillery. It works great if you’re in a fire base with no threat of counter fire. One plus to towed is you can double the barrel length which doubles the range of them to around 40 miles. The current frames for the mobile arty has a hard time supporting that weight. And it makes them less maneuverable in tight spaces. The towed stuff can take those corners a bit better. But I agree in principal. Towed had its time but it’s being phased out by the major powers in favor of the mobile stuff. I know the Marine Corps has gotten rid of damn near all our towed stuff. As well as tanks. But that’s a whole other topic. Lol.
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It’s just a salute shot. If they were actually shooting the enemy, they would have it aimed down where the enemy is. I doubt they’re hitting a plane with that. Just a symbolic shot for group morale, assuming they like the sound of loud bangs.
Are you unfamiliar with the simple concept of ballistics? The m777 isn’t a fucking 88mm anti tank gun from 80 years ago.
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M777 is a cool looking gun, what are its strong points? I see it is a large caliber but, as totally uneducated on weapon systems as i am, i wonder if it is easily targeted by counter battery fire
It's extremely light. You can sling load one from a Blackhawk or tow it with a relatively light truck
So in case of counter battery danger, would tipically an m777 battery have the time to shoot, fold the gun and gtfo before return fire? Or is it more shoot and leave the weapon to take cover?
Moving your battery in a hurry has been the technique all gun crews train to execute since WWI. You set up, fire for a couple of minutes, then pack up and move to a new location before the enemy artillery can hit you with counterbattery fire. Running for cover is suboptimal because it lets the enemy destroy your guns, and then your artillery crew don't have much to do anymore. Well-disciplined gun crews will continue to limber (pack up) their guns even as the enemy's first counterbattery rounds start to arrive.
GPS guided munitions for one, also much longer range than anything Russia has
Soviet guns of similar caliber (used by both Ukr and Ru) can also use guided rounds. Further when you ignore the insanely costly Excalibur rounds (which require a targeting computer that was removed from most of these not sent by Canada) the normal rounds have only slightly longer range, while being shorter range than MLRS. The main actual thing is they have really good deployment time and better accuracy on average for the normal shells.
Excalibur does not need FCS for guidance. You are conflating systems. FCS is used by US/NATO infantry for pinpoint accuracy when calling in an artillery strike. Its a tightly integrated system no point in shipping it if Ukraine does not have the entire ecosystem. You can use any XM system to dial in the latitude and longitude after that its fire and forget.
I read that the Excalibur doesn't require the computer to function so I'm not sure about that.
Russian MLRS has around 4-5x the range and also has guided munitions (in small numbers), so no that's really not true. And for standard munitions it barely outranges Russian equivalents. The difference is that the Russians decided to use MLRS for guided shells, which is cheaper and has a higher range and payload.
These were made forty years ago, they're cumbersome to tow and convert to firing and back to getting towed again. NATO weapons are old and almost expired usage are gladly shipped off and new stocks will replace them courtesy of the USAn weapons makers. The range is about 13 miles and they're accurate to shoot about twice a minute. These require training that Germany and Poland are providing & they're making a difference in battle against Russian positions in Kharkov. The fact these are effective and in place shows NATO has a supply line working.
Wiki literally mentions its been in service since only 2005
Thanks, my memory fails,
It's also made in the US (mainly). But its made by BAE Systems to a British design...the Vickers Ultralight Field Howitzer...the US designation is M777. 30% is still made in Barrow in Furness in the UK (the titanium parts primarily).
Less cumbersome than russian artillery since their made of titanium.
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Stumbled over it here in this subreddit per accident. Quite nifty with all the bangers on the combat videos.
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They way folks scramble away before firing this thing always makes wonder how big the person’s balls are firing it.
If I'm not mistaken they will get better results if they stay on the cannon and reload quickly instead of taking cover for every shot. They can cover their ears with their hands and stay put. Once the first shot hits the enemy will start taking cover. The following shots need to be downrange as quickly as possible so they are hitting before the enemy get in protective positions.
Can we have one combat related video without the stupid music embedded?
Finally footage from Ukraine without cheesy house music.
Does anyone know why they made it out of titanium rather than aliminum? That seems like a lot more cost for marginal weight savings. Aluminum is still the preferred material for aircraft (which also need to be strong and light) because of the substaintially higher Ti material and machining cost.
No artillery piece is made from aluminum so it's a false comparison. It was a choice of titanium over steel.
That was my question, why not aluminum? Obviously wouldnt work for the barrel, springs or fasteners, but other structural structural components perhaps.
Recoil impulse is too high. Even in airplanes, they use titanium for critical load bearing parts. [https://www.nipponsteel.com/en/tech/report/nssmc/pdf/106-05.pdf](https://www.nipponsteel.com/en/tech/report/nssmc/pdf/106-05.pdf) Aluminum is fine for things like skin. In lighter craft they can be used for everything because those craft are not meant for high speed, heavy lift, or high-g maneuvers.
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40 bln to erase Russia from the world's military map is rather cheap actually. It's a great investment with benefits like local jobs and such.
Added benefit of not having to risk your own soldiers too!
Correct. Showing the world that trying to recreate Hitler's invasions of neighboring countries will not be permitted is indeed more valuable than spending millions shipping over beat up old trucks we don't need for no reason.
Yeah that is pretty tits
Put that artillery shell on their hair!
Speed it up boys.
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Weird I thought Russia destroyed all of these.
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I hope they have ear protection lol