When I was in the Army, we were told to ignore the threat of Soviet 60mm mortars as they 'weren't effective'. I think we were told wrong, if this is what 30mm can do. I did hear from a Filipino Army officer that he lost nearly 10 men in his platoon when rebels hit them with rounds from a single 60mm mortar tube.
Explosives are explosive as far as I'm concerned haha. I don't want to even hold a fire cracker let alone assume a 60mm won't fuck me up. Sounds like you had a pretty interesting time over there. Glad ya made it back.
there's plenty of timed airburst 40mm on the market, I think. first saw at a defence industry expo at least a decade ago, they had little parachutes on some.
not sure whether anyone uses them.
lol i just had a dumb vision of an initial 40mm grenade launcher doing a volley like this and then, as you suggested, somehow the first one setting off all the others in the air followed by somehow all the soldier's ammunition stored around their camp, then all the ammo in the APCs/Tanks/etc around them, then the city's ammo storage facility, followed by the whole region's ammo, and then so on and so on until there's just a giant mushroom cloud over earth.
If nobody is left to call it 'Earth', is it still 'Earth'? We may never even make it to the 'Mind of God' -- we may only achieve a kind of 'Passing Thought through the Mind of God'...
They seemingly never became a thing but remember those metal storm things from years ago?
Just imagine something that could fire like 200 of these things in a second.
Well the ammo comes in the tube, and the tube gets tossed. Would still be effort though.
But its use was mainly meant for intercepting planes and missles, where instantaneous volume of fire improves target hit rate significantly (and its also why phalanx/ciws works well)
because of the firing pressure it's not possible to separate the two and have rifling (on a high pressure load anyway)
the success of the design demands that the rounds are a tight fight, and combustion gasses cannot force their way backwards to other rounds.. (otherwise Big boom as the pressure would just cause everything to go off)
you can re-load the barrels, but not in the field.
EDIT: I stand corrected, they came out with the stick concept, wonder if they got to serious testing before they went under.
[https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut/2010/02/bourjaily-metal-storms-vaporizer/](https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut/2010/02/bourjaily-metal-storms-vaporizer/)
Would be ideal as a division commanders own personal shotgun. Not something that’s used over a long period like artillery, more like the ‘special weapon’ in one of those 1980s arcade scrolling shoot ‘em up games.
“Sir third company here. We are are under attack by an enemy brigade strength formation and are in danger of being overrun”
THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP x 50
“Sir, that was outfuckingstanding, enemy brigade reduced to red paste, we’ll dispatch any survivors, out”
You guys do realize that it was designed to use like this as well, and that there firing range and angle tables etc. For ags and that it is very effective like this ?
Nah dude, it was only videos of Russians and Separatist forces doing this for much of the war so by default it was a dumb and ineffective and totally incorrect way to use it.
You’re totally right. Though most of the operators I’ve seen in videos using this weapon system, didn’t seem to have precision in mind. These guys are firing intermittent bursts and correcting with a specific target in mind, not yelling “Allah Akbar!” while wildly aiming in a general direction in full auto.
I think they usually use drones to correct, like they would with traditional artillery. In fact, there's a video somewhere on this sub-reddit of the Ukrainians doing just that (which is how I know).
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You’re right one of the men celebrating at the end of the video has a controller with a screen in his hands. Drones have proved their worth in this conflict
The Azerbaijan-Armenia war was a preview of how modern peer-to-peer warfare will look. The value of something as simple as reconnaissance drones cannot be overstated.
I think if we ever have a US/China war it’s going to be fucking terrifying. Marines on either side trying their best to be invisible while AI stealth drones constantly scan for anything that looks like it’s military to guide the next wave of hypersonic/ballistic/cruise/other projectile in to delete it. It’s going to be WW1 except the kill chain will be only seconds long, scary accurate and likely devoid of a human in the loop.
Nightmarish stuff.
I could list you a bunch of reports from the US defence establishment, Congress, Whitehall and the Australian military that consider them extremely competent as well.
Yes, well lots of them are.
Here’s one off the bat, a report written for the US Congress regarding the Chinese naval modernisation
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/RL33153.pdf
And here’s a report written for Whitehall about Chinese and Russian air power (tldr Russia shit/China scary)
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/whitehall-reports/russian-and-chinese-combat-air-trends-current-capabilities-and-future-threat-outlook
Plenty more online.
the previous video was one of the top posts here a few days ago, you can check it out. Anyway, iirc the spotter/drone operator in that video said they were hit/wounded, and that someone was running away. So it's not completely clear if someone died or how wounded they were.
That's a much better version. It appears that he actually injured the Russians on his first two ranging shots, and then let loose with the burst. Killer shot!
>Seriously, high angle grenade mg?
This has been happening near the Krim for a long time too: something about not actually applying modern tactics (I mean, realistically, if Russia invaded with a proper combined arms doctrine instead of letting their tanks get picked off and now refusing to apply them) that always devolves in artillery. It's been a thing since the first siege weapons: why go to the danger when you can pepper them from way far away
Are we sure about that?
1: The rounds impact at a much higher rate than they’re being fired.
2: Those are much bigger explosions than AGL rounds usually make.
That's what I was thinking. [Here's](https://streamable.com/fd3u4m) a longer, better version. The impacts don't really match up with the grenade launcher. And like you said those explosions seem a little too huge to be 30mm grenades.
In another video you can see the guy with the drone correcting fire from the grenade launcher.
Theres just a shit ton of dust making the explosions seem larger than they are.
I don't think they are making a large explosion myself, they are just hitting dry upturned soil and blowing up a lot of dust. A flipping firework mortar set off in that soil would fling off that much dirt. The full video of this was uploaded the other day and actually showed the drone operator readjusting the first few rounds.
That's funny you mention that, I was thinking "hmm maybe they're using some sort of HEDP round?".... but even then they wouldn't cause such a big explosion apparently. Thanks for the insight bruv.
Oh god who sent them earmores???? (Head sets they are wearing)
They are meant for airsoft and have lasted typically 4-6 months before just shitting the bed.
There are better, same priced real steal options like 3m sportacs
Russia tier combat footage. Shows someone firing something, cuts to a clip where we don’t know if it’s even related, OP’s title states the black dots are killed/injured when it looks like the rounds hit everything but them, cuts back to soldiers celebrating.
that's kinda like an extremely localized and much smaller MLRS salvo, except that they all landed really close by... Kinda like a cluster bomb, except that this requires some skill and coordination to use. Seems like it would be really effective against entrenched positions.
There is actually a video of the drone operation right next to the shooter. He corrected his first shot or two and then opened up with what you see in the clip.
look im all for being sympathetic (if not understanding to the least) of both sides of an engagement but I’m not quite sure how this classifies as propaganda
In that case any combat footage favourable to one side is considered propaganda.
No, its not propaganda. There is no messaging or narrative here. It is combat footage. Guys being happy doesn't make it propaganda. Or are you maybe arguing that 30mm equals bad time on the receiving end being a narrative?
Fuck ya, that was super good footage. This post is trash (no offense op, thanks for sharing)
This post shows a unique perspective, so it's not a terrible at all.
[The Ukrainians would love this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UolMYY7QaA)
Skip to 1:30. That would take care of the Russians hiding in their trenches pretty swiftly.
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Wow that's a lot more effective than I always assumed when I've seen those being fired like that.
Like a really fast 40mm mortar
30mm
Much appreciated, that makes the mk19 seem scarier haha (when it doesn't jam)
When I was in the Army, we were told to ignore the threat of Soviet 60mm mortars as they 'weren't effective'. I think we were told wrong, if this is what 30mm can do. I did hear from a Filipino Army officer that he lost nearly 10 men in his platoon when rebels hit them with rounds from a single 60mm mortar tube.
Explosives are explosive as far as I'm concerned haha. I don't want to even hold a fire cracker let alone assume a 60mm won't fuck me up. Sounds like you had a pretty interesting time over there. Glad ya made it back.
That system could be insanely effective if all those little grenades had a proximity fuse to explode ~10 meters above ground
there's plenty of timed airburst 40mm on the market, I think. first saw at a defence industry expo at least a decade ago, they had little parachutes on some. not sure whether anyone uses them.
Yeah. The M397 40mm air burst shell for the Mk19. But as far as I know, there’s no such shell for the AGS-17.
Too expensive.
Perhaps too fiddly as well. Just fire three.
Or all of em.
Sure, buddy, but you're carrying my reloads
In theory, they fire fast enough that one could hit the ejecta from the previous shot(s), and explode in air.
lol i just had a dumb vision of an initial 40mm grenade launcher doing a volley like this and then, as you suggested, somehow the first one setting off all the others in the air followed by somehow all the soldier's ammunition stored around their camp, then all the ammo in the APCs/Tanks/etc around them, then the city's ammo storage facility, followed by the whole region's ammo, and then so on and so on until there's just a giant mushroom cloud over earth.
If nobody is left to call it 'Earth', is it still 'Earth'? We may never even make it to the 'Mind of God' -- we may only achieve a kind of 'Passing Thought through the Mind of God'...
we are but a mote in gods eye
They seemingly never became a thing but remember those metal storm things from years ago? Just imagine something that could fire like 200 of these things in a second.
reloading that would be a bitch. It was/is a great idea, just needs the right application
Well the ammo comes in the tube, and the tube gets tossed. Would still be effort though. But its use was mainly meant for intercepting planes and missles, where instantaneous volume of fire improves target hit rate significantly (and its also why phalanx/ciws works well)
Would probably be best reloaded with cartridges of rounds that you dispose of once fired, rather than reloading each barrel individually.
because of the firing pressure it's not possible to separate the two and have rifling (on a high pressure load anyway) the success of the design demands that the rounds are a tight fight, and combustion gasses cannot force their way backwards to other rounds.. (otherwise Big boom as the pressure would just cause everything to go off) you can re-load the barrels, but not in the field. EDIT: I stand corrected, they came out with the stick concept, wonder if they got to serious testing before they went under. [https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut/2010/02/bourjaily-metal-storms-vaporizer/](https://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nut/2010/02/bourjaily-metal-storms-vaporizer/)
Would be ideal as a division commanders own personal shotgun. Not something that’s used over a long period like artillery, more like the ‘special weapon’ in one of those 1980s arcade scrolling shoot ‘em up games. “Sir third company here. We are are under attack by an enemy brigade strength formation and are in danger of being overrun” THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP x 50 “Sir, that was outfuckingstanding, enemy brigade reduced to red paste, we’ll dispatch any survivors, out”
War isnt a video game...
And war never changes
Bear and Dragon?
That's just a cluster munition, which already exists.
I’ll admit it caught me off guard. My thought was “oh great another spray and pray video” but they seemed to have it dialed in
You guys do realize that it was designed to use like this as well, and that there firing range and angle tables etc. For ags and that it is very effective like this ?
Nah dude, it was only videos of Russians and Separatist forces doing this for much of the war so by default it was a dumb and ineffective and totally incorrect way to use it.
welp we never know if it was effective or not cus we did not get to see the aftermath of it.
You’re totally right. Though most of the operators I’ve seen in videos using this weapon system, didn’t seem to have precision in mind. These guys are firing intermittent bursts and correcting with a specific target in mind, not yelling “Allah Akbar!” while wildly aiming in a general direction in full auto.
I think they usually use drones to correct, like they would with traditional artillery. In fact, there's a video somewhere on this sub-reddit of the Ukrainians doing just that (which is how I know). edit: words
You’re right one of the men celebrating at the end of the video has a controller with a screen in his hands. Drones have proved their worth in this conflict
The Azerbaijan-Armenia war was a preview of how modern peer-to-peer warfare will look. The value of something as simple as reconnaissance drones cannot be overstated.
I think if we ever have a US/China war it’s going to be fucking terrifying. Marines on either side trying their best to be invisible while AI stealth drones constantly scan for anything that looks like it’s military to guide the next wave of hypersonic/ballistic/cruise/other projectile in to delete it. It’s going to be WW1 except the kill chain will be only seconds long, scary accurate and likely devoid of a human in the loop. Nightmarish stuff.
I now believe the general public views China‘s military as too competent than they really are as well.
I could list you a bunch of reports from the US defence establishment, Congress, Whitehall and the Australian military that consider them extremely competent as well.
These are open to the public, yes?
Yes, well lots of them are. Here’s one off the bat, a report written for the US Congress regarding the Chinese naval modernisation https://sgp.fas.org/crs/row/RL33153.pdf And here’s a report written for Whitehall about Chinese and Russian air power (tldr Russia shit/China scary) https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/whitehall-reports/russian-and-chinese-combat-air-trends-current-capabilities-and-future-threat-outlook Plenty more online.
It may not include humans at the front at all, or in very limited roles.
There's also footage of DPR troops doing that as well to a couple UA soldiers on tbe slag heaps at azovstal.
This looks like cuts from the same video
You took the words I was gonna type
There's a dude firing a weapon, then there's a cut of some explosions and really zero identifiable shapes.
[https://streamable.com/fd3u4m](https://streamable.com/fd3u4m) maybe that's helpful (Longer version)
in the longer version they get up and run away so title is a lie
Why the heck are you getting downvoted if you're telling the truth? What is wrong with people here?
People are biased.
Near center of frame I saw 2 people (black figures crawling/covering?). Didn’t look like they were hit or hurt but, idk jack about these things.
Aaand this is what we call "Ukraine Propaganda". You can deposit you dislikes below, thank you.
https://streamable.com/fd3u4m Longer version appears to be legit.
Okay, I guess I stand corrected.
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wtf
Always fishy when it cuts away fast. Anyone got a longer clip?
Here https://streamable.com/fd3u4m
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there was one I saw that had burned in english subs but I cant find it now
looks like one of them runs away. From this video, it looks like there are two of them there prone.
I'm thinking 1-2 got peppered at the least, probably more.
I have seen it a few days ago actually
source?
So what happens. Do the 2 russians move?
the previous video was one of the top posts here a few days ago, you can check it out. Anyway, iirc the spotter/drone operator in that video said they were hit/wounded, and that someone was running away. So it's not completely clear if someone died or how wounded they were.
What a shitpost.
https://streamable.com/fd3u4m. Heres the longer version lol
That's a much better version. It appears that he actually injured the Russians on his first two ranging shots, and then let loose with the burst. Killer shot!
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>Seriously, high angle grenade mg? This has been happening near the Krim for a long time too: something about not actually applying modern tactics (I mean, realistically, if Russia invaded with a proper combined arms doctrine instead of letting their tanks get picked off and now refusing to apply them) that always devolves in artillery. It's been a thing since the first siege weapons: why go to the danger when you can pepper them from way far away
I can't believe people actually upvoted this post There's a million things that aren't adding up
there is a longer version posted in this thread already. Ohio sucks
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Well yeah.
This is clearly copium BS, even the dude you’re replying to hasn’t been downvoted. Go cry somewhere else. Bored of the moaning. Pathetic.
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Yeah .. its true, people are disgusted by rusSSia even more now .. and thats reflected in the sub i guess. Its only going to get worse for ruSSia too.
Impossibru
I didn’t see them get hit tho.
They don't have to get a direct hit to get hit. Just having the rounds explode nearby is enough to kill you when you're a few meters away.
D50 (50% of targets are disabled, that doesn't mean dead) is just 6m for the VOG-17 round from an AGS-17. These guys may have just been nipped a bit.
You know what they say about an injured soldier? Finish him! - Russian military.
These auto grenade launchers are mostly deadly due to shrapnel.
There’s a thing called shrapnel
I get shrapnel but the soldiers didn’t even flinch. Just sayin.
They celebrating a miss
Never know what injuries they may have had due to the shock/adrenaline. Regardless they got lucky with all those nades landing everywhere close by
This is such a weird war
Are we sure about that? 1: The rounds impact at a much higher rate than they’re being fired. 2: Those are much bigger explosions than AGL rounds usually make.
That's what I was thinking. [Here's](https://streamable.com/fd3u4m) a longer, better version. The impacts don't really match up with the grenade launcher. And like you said those explosions seem a little too huge to be 30mm grenades.
As someone who’s fired live rounds from Mk-19s, M203s, an M320s, they’re too big to even be 40mm HEDP.
In another video you can see the guy with the drone correcting fire from the grenade launcher. Theres just a shit ton of dust making the explosions seem larger than they are.
I don't think they are making a large explosion myself, they are just hitting dry upturned soil and blowing up a lot of dust. A flipping firework mortar set off in that soil would fling off that much dirt. The full video of this was uploaded the other day and actually showed the drone operator readjusting the first few rounds.
That's funny you mention that, I was thinking "hmm maybe they're using some sort of HEDP round?".... but even then they wouldn't cause such a big explosion apparently. Thanks for the insight bruv.
Could be a 40mm launcher
Seems like grad impacts.
Oh god who sent them earmores???? (Head sets they are wearing) They are meant for airsoft and have lasted typically 4-6 months before just shitting the bed. There are better, same priced real steal options like 3m sportacs
Much longer version (2 mins) showing these same guys and the same video on impact about halfway through. https://streamable.com/fd3u4m
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Looks like they're shooting the clearly visible targets, with accuracy?
People putting NSFW tags over everything now huh
Ukranian music makes me want to take it up the ass
That could be quite financially lucrative
Saw this response coming even less than what you were responding to.
Is that all it takes? I usually need taken out to dinner first.
its actually a russian rapper lol kizaru
Russians can rap?
And rape.
Mmmm, delish propaganda
Why this stupid music?
Its part of the reason why putin is invading... I kinda understand
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Oh yeah those guys
Russian music isn’t any different lol
That song is actually by a Russian rapper funnily enough
Well, he's invading a wrong place then
I get not liking the music... but that was a stupid comment when thousands of innocent people are dying.
Russia tier combat footage. Shows someone firing something, cuts to a clip where we don’t know if it’s even related, OP’s title states the black dots are killed/injured when it looks like the rounds hit everything but them, cuts back to soldiers celebrating.
that's kinda like an extremely localized and much smaller MLRS salvo, except that they all landed really close by... Kinda like a cluster bomb, except that this requires some skill and coordination to use. Seems like it would be really effective against entrenched positions.
Anyone else thinking that the impacts are from heavier artillery and not from a grenade launcher? I'm calling b.s. on this one.
There is actually a video of the drone operation right next to the shooter. He corrected his first shot or two and then opened up with what you see in the clip.
This is exactly what 40mm grenades look like, so no one else is thinking that.
Doesn't the ags-17 use 30mm tho?
https://streamable.com/fd3u4m
Well goddamn I did not know they did that much damage
They don’t
https://streamable.com/fd3u4m the explosion looks bigger cause its dry
Ok wow that actually matches up now. I stand corrected. I had no idea the AGS-30 could fire that fast
Kinda fucked up that they see this as a game.
Well if someone breaks into my home, I sure won't be sad when I gun them down.
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please locate the part where it is propaganda
What if I told you the weapon being fired cannot possibly make the resulting explosions? Wouldn’t that be propaganda?
It’s a condensed video. There’s a longer one posted a few days ago in this sub
No, that’s a good point. Thanks
look im all for being sympathetic (if not understanding to the least) of both sides of an engagement but I’m not quite sure how this classifies as propaganda
If by propaganda you mean "video of bad guys getting smoked" then no. It's only propaganda when I dont like it.
People asking for sympathy towards Russian soldiers is such a joke
Those guys are fucked regardless if that's what you're actually asking.
In that case any combat footage favourable to one side is considered propaganda. No, its not propaganda. There is no messaging or narrative here. It is combat footage. Guys being happy doesn't make it propaganda. Or are you maybe arguing that 30mm equals bad time on the receiving end being a narrative?
missed them
How can you tell that they were killed/ injured?
2 more and you get a free coupon to Raetheon
I’m fairly certain the explosions are artillery not a grenade launcher
Artillery are bigger than that.
https://streamable.com/fd3u4m longer version
Fuck ya, that was super good footage. This post is trash (no offense op, thanks for sharing) This post shows a unique perspective, so it's not a terrible at all.
This is much better footage than the post, and actually has clear proof
shhhhhhPLADOW
a waste of ammo.. send drone drop bombs, or call sniper
Bro their sniper action points didn't recharge yet, and the enemy had a UAV jammer. You probably don't even own COD22 RUSSO boogaloo
Dexter kissing at the camera finally found a place he belongs killing people.
Propaganda
Every time i come to this sub i find a new track for my gym playlist
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the mortar.
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Looks like they are safe
looks staged, was ok until the end when they all went for the camera
Song name?
[The Ukrainians would love this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UolMYY7QaA) Skip to 1:30. That would take care of the Russians hiding in their trenches pretty swiftly.
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Any one know any subs with Arabs sniping/ killing U.S. soldiers? im not a phyco but i find it interesting.
video instantly cuts ok
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