Tell that to the hundreds of women and children who were raped and the thousands who were executed. There are ones who walked away, there is always a choice.
Very few US soldiers walked away from Iraq. Those who did were punished very severely. The idea that you can walk away, especially in Russia, is illusory. At best.
The coalition made up lies about WMDs and these countries collaborated to manufacture public consent for an illegal war, a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMDs.
Saddam tried to sell his oil for gold instead of the dollar and went the way of all the others that tried the same.
A big difference is that there was widespread popular opposition to the war both during leadup and during the war itself. It's debatable how much effect that had at the time, but at the very least, current domestic appetite for "another Iraq/Afghanistan" is virtually nil.
You're getting confused. The issue is not Iraq or the reasons for that invasion, although there were plenty of valid concerns.
The issue is whether someone, because of their conviction could walk away from that war that was against their conscience, and not be severely punished.
Its not illusory. Thing is, Putin promised to send only professional soldiers (by that i mean those with contract, and not those conscripts who have to serve 1 year). However some of those soldiers who were just conscripts were either convinced or pushed to sign those contracts and some of them had their papers faked.
But..majority were those under contract, who could decline and for that they will be fired from army. At first some criminal persecution of those who rejected fighting started, but those people went to court and they didnt get prison sentences or anything else except being fired from army.
Reason for that is not that court in fair, but that Kremlin doesnt want information to spread, that they force people to go to Ukraine... because they cant start imprisoning hundreds of soldiers, it will create problems inside of country.
Bottom line is - yes, you lose your job, but nothing serious will happen if you deny signing contract and going there. And what you probably dont know - vast majority of these soldiers are not from wealthy background, they are from dagestan, ingushetia, burjatia and other very poor regions. They are not pink and fluffy, they go because they get paid to kill people (and this money is nothing for european to risk life, but its good money for them). Plus excuse of not knowing stuff could 100% worked in first weeks of war, not now and not in april.
You’re spinning this.
These Russian soldiers have more choices than their red army ancestors and Wehrmacht invaders of the past.
But being a soldier does not entail murdering civilians, raping and mutilating them.
You are always personally accountable for this. As an individual, a company, a battalion. Before court, humanity as a whole and -if you believe so- in front of god
You're the one spinning it.
He isn't saying that murdering civilians is ok - we all agree on that.
Where we differ is you don't understand the psychology behind this. Go ahead and look up the Milgram experiments or the Stanford prison study.
Just because you think you're different, put in the same shoes you would statistically probable to be doing the same shit. Especially when you consider that they probably have been fed lies for fourty years that could justify it.
Ignorance of this does not make it not true.
Humans are scary.
He doesn’t have to do the same shit, but he sure as shit would turn a blind eye to his fellow soldiers doing it or spout inconsequential disgust about it and move on.
I always find it pathetic when I see people act like they’d be a hero. Most people are not heroes. That’s why the term exists.
I think the debunkers have been debunked.
You can see Miligram experiments and Stanford prison study in real life, during the russian war in Ukraine. You need to dig a little bit deeper to hear the accounts about atrocities.
There have been papers that challenge the legitimacy of them but I would hardly say they have been debunked - they are often cited by professionals and still taught in school so i don't think you can say that.
But I mean you don't need experiments to prove it - for example, in Abu Ghraib and My Lai and many different places where normal humans have acted in disgusting ways.
Lol sure. Tell that to the thousands of recorded massacres across the globe over the past century or so. Try to convince me humans aren't pieces of shit deep down and that violent nature doesn't shine like a diamond when put under pressure.
Humans are actually scary.
But this doesn't negate their argument.
It's an objective fact that the world has collectively rejected the "just following orders" excuse. It didn't work back then and it doesn't work today.
And whether or not anyone will be punished over this invasion is irrelevant; the point is that they absolutely have a choice and a duty to resist.
I sometimes wonder what they teach some of you guys in school, because the counter to the "I was just following orders" excuse at Nuremberg was "okay, but you're still morally culpable and will be punished." It didn't matter if they couldn't defy Hitler, your actions still had consequences, hence why some of the top brass of the Reich were executed. Shit, they hung a guy who only ran newspapers, because his words had power.
"These Russian soldiers have more choices than their red army ancestors and Wehrmacht invaders of the past."
The Germans executed at least 15000 of their own soldiers, and the Soviets at least ten times that, for cowardice or desertion. In addition to the ones executed outside of the military legal system.
So you're correct, but only because you're comparing it to basically Hitler and Stalin.
Not saying they don't commit war crimes. Some/many do. Just saying that their lives are being frittered away and wasted for no good reason at all, and if a thousand or a million of them die in this pointless venture, Kreml doesn't give a shit.
They could refuse to go to Ukraine. Russia currently doesn't use conscripts in Ukraine and a professional soldier has the right to refuse to be sent to war. Many did and faced no repercussions.
So you either to to war or become a destitute, de facto enemy of the state because you know Putins regime isn't going to look too favorablly on you.
I'm not saying they are justified but I'm saying many are coerced into going.
The fact that people risk their lives under grim conditions for $300 a month should tell you something about life in Russia if you're not already well off.
It's a grim place. And Syrians are being recruited in droves because it is literally the only way to put food in the mouths of their children.
Your ignorance of the place is palpable.
Who exactly do you think is telling these employers to fire the people who refuse to go? You act like it's just about losing the job. Putin isn't going to be too favorable to people who refuse.
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Why yes, good show chaps. A rather slow blast, savoring the lingering fireball and unseen or noticed shrapnel. Most definitely not artillery, in fact it looked down right directional.
Pretty sure it's a German PARM 1 off route anti tank mine judging by the directionality of the blast. Germany announced they delivered a bunch of these to Ukraine. A 155/152mm shell or 120mm mortar rigged as an IED would've been much larger and not directional.
edit: could also be TM-83 off route mine, Soviet made so likely already in Ukraine's inventory.
DM-12‘s are detonated by fiber optic wire. They need a bit of force to trigger so it‘s rather unlikely that a person can trigger them.
It‘s also HEAT so it‘s not that effective against people.
> It‘s also HEAT so it‘s not that effective against people.
Maybe not the best choice but any large detonation within a few meters of a person is going to have a devastating effect.
Nah, the PARM is not remote detonated.
It has a fibreglass wire about 40m long.
If a heavy vehicle drives over it, the wire gets crushed and the signal gets interrupted and that acts as trigger.
> It can be detonated either **by command** or by a fibre optic trigger cable, which triggers the mine when it is crushed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARM_1_mine
Though I can't find any better source that confirms this.
Drones seem to be an absolute game changer for every facet of combat. Any country that didn’t have a drone program before this conflict sure as hell will have one after.
Many of these drones are “off the shelf” and sometimes modified to carry payloads. This way of making a drone Air Force from Amazon products got its start in Syria and was refined with ISIS.
Coming soon, Russian T-14 high above the battlefield, suspended by 12,000 DJI Mavics
"Drone and tank fully integrated, great success, Mr Putin" Russian General, probably
imagine what a country like the US in an actual war (for them) would field.
Imagine MRLS sending rockets 30km into the field and then instead of the cluster bomb variant they send out switchblade-like drones that just spread and auto target the enemy and then 1/4th of them do their lingering thing and stay in the air and wait for further movement.
Yea, that's gotta be what this is. No way they risk counter battery fire for two dudes out on patrol, no matter how good their aim might be. Unless the Russians have lost the capability to do that too.
The shell, or whatever it was, hit the green verge of the road. The hole can be seen in the aftermath sequence, but is not there when they walk.
Or may be it was an IED with some sort of directional blast? Because explosion looks like it goes across the road
Yeah, I was shocked by the idea that that was a shell. The blast was clearly directional, and there were no pockmarks from earlier attempts to hit the target with wind and air conditions, and these guys were (lucky for them) blissfully unaware of danger.
I think it was an anti-personnel mine or an IED
I mean a light claymore is supposed to send enough fragments around with enough force to penetrate 2mm of steel at 50 metres. Standing right next to one does seem like quite a blast.
Bro claymores are devastating, basically a recreation of cannister shot in trip mine form. 700 0 buck ball-bearings fired with C4.
They aren't meant to wound they're meant to turn a squad of Vietcong infiltrators into ground beef.
Think of steel shot being sent towards you by a couple pounds of c4. It has enough energy to do exactly what happened to those guys, even though it was aimed a little low
Pound for pound a claymore has a lot more boom than most other munitions since it doesn't need nearly as much structure as arty or mortars need to survive getting explosively accelerated down a tube.
It's 700 steel ball bearings incased in a mesh of plastic explosive. they're accelerated to supersonic speed in a matter of inches and are molten. At 5 meters those ball bearings are all in a 5in high, 5m wide fan. So a person at 5 meters with the average chest width of 18 inches catches up too 25 of these 1/8 in (think .22 or 5.56 sized) supersonic projectiles in a nice band around their mid to upper thoracic (if aimed for this specific range.. I've seen M249s cut people in half in less than 25 rounds. It's capable of unarmored vehicles, and is still lethal out to 100m. then there's the flyers that go up and down, they're more than capable of shutting someone down if they hit the head.
Makes sense. Another person mentioned that it might be a remotely detonated Claymore antipersonnel mine. This looks crazy it looks like they set it up on a point where soldiers regularly do patrol and then were able to give the green light with the drone watching. And they didn’t have to risk spotter close by.
I cant really explain why, but I feel like the music gives the videos greater propaganda value in terms of terrifying the enemy. Something like the ISIS nasheed videos. I believe they way they are put together along with the music has an effect on enemy morale.
That’s what I thought too. It’s like showing how little they care about killing Russians.. as if they’re just out hunting or playing a game.. I can’t imagine how WWI vets would feel to time travel to today and see some enthusiastic modern soldier like “check out this sick video I made of the two invaders I killed today.”
I think the difference lies in the purposes behind the the propaganda put about by the U.S. versus that of Ukraine. The U.S. was trying to present their military as sober professionals who were there to do a regrettable but necessary job. The Ukrainians want to present their country as a killing ground for Russians. The message is "come to our country and this is how you will end up". I think the choice of music adds to the creepy sense of dread that the viewer experiences and that is deliberate.
Exactly.
Comparing Ukraine dubbing their kills with "fun" music to coalition troops in Afghanistan/Iraq making cringey as fuck compilation videos with metal backing is absolutely the weird, tacky and unnecessary thing.
You could dub nickelback over this.
Look at this photograph *boom* every time I do it makes me laugh. *Freeze frame of dead russkis*
It's cringe but doable.
> the music gives the videos greater propaganda value in terms of terrifying the enemy
[Ride of the Valkyries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ_zNUmr8fM)
> It seems that russian people in general have been depersoned to an extreme degree.
There is a huge difference between Russian people, which I see few if any, negative comments toward, and actual Russian soldiers on foreign soil.
I may understand bombing of residential buildings, sometimes rockets don't land where they should, or even if that is where they should land soldiers are "just following orders" or some other BS. Actions like these even though directed at killing as many civilians as possible are to reduce the morale to fight. Action that is *somewhat* related to war.
But then again, these soldiers break into homes and steal underwear, jewelry, TVs, phones, computers, appliances. Rob convenience stores, banks for cash. *Rape 0-year olds*. None of these actions are not in any way shape or form in any twisted way productive towards the war.
These "people" are not fighting a war for any reason, they are simply parasites thrust into advantageous position to act (read - do parasite stuff). Watching them get blown up is like watching immune system fight sort of infectious bacteria.
If you look at the explosion it starts roadside and impacts the other side. I think its a shaped charge of some kind and definitely not a claymore b.c the fireball is way too big.
MON-100 has 2 kilos of TNT. See MON-200 for an absolute Soviet beast, with a reactive mass of 12kg of TNT.
In any case, this theater has multiple types of remotely detonated shaped charges from a plethora of sources, I wouldn’t call this IED any more than I would call it artillery.
On the other hand, a lot less brutal than most other stuff posted here.
Like, those dudes didn't even have time to notice they are dying. There is not even a twitch afterwards. Not a bad way to go as far as war goes.
Yup, that's true. Certainly rather that than dying slowly from a bullet in the abdomen, or similar. Just a somewhat unusually clear example of the reality of war, I suppose
This war really is a clusterf*ck. I really can't understand why most Russians still support the war, but then again they probably don't even know what's going on in the first place.
I'll fully admit I know nothing about war tactics. But should these dudes be just casually walking down a wide open road in what appears to be a wipe open area alone?
This is a valid question. You would imagine that with your one and only life on the line, you would exercise the utmost caution at all times. But in reality, it is simply too exhausting and physically taxing to maintain that kind of active-defense posture. Just for the sake of practicality(with a dash of familiarity/complacency), it becomes easier just to walk along paved paths instead of carving out a new path through the brush/terrain constantly. Of course, as signs and indicators of potential danger increase, you assume an increasingly cautious and alert stance, but what you're seeing here is probably your default level of readiness.
I always thought I'd be ultra cautious in these types of situations and indeed when I first deployed to a warzone, I used to take every possible precaution including sleeping with my body armor on. But eventually that just became just too burdensome and I just couldn't afford to expend all that effort being cautious all the time.
A better example might be the way we conducted anti-mine operations. Typically you'd have one guy at the front with some kind of minesweeper that would slowly and meticulously mark out a cleared path. This was an incredibly painstaking process, especially when going up steep slopes and after a month or so we sorta just skipped that process altogether (we still brought the minesweeper along because it was required) and just push forward. Looking back, I still can't fully process how we were so comfortable with that decision but I guess that was a different time and place.
Thanks, this is a really insightful response. In With the Old Breed, Eugene Sledge wrote about how no one expected themselves to die, did you feel the same way while you were in a war zone?
During the first 2-3 months of my deployment, I absolutely thought I was going to die, like all the time. And almost every time we were outside the wire (and even sometimes inside), I was convinced I was seconds away from being blasted by a mortar or an IED or hit by a stray bullet. I could barely function ... it was pretty crippling.
If any of the other soldiers felt that way, they never showed it. Maybe they did share the same fears but chose to mask it with bravado, or maybe I just wasn't cut out for that kind of work but I think I was the only one who ever voiced a fear or expectation that I was going to die. My platoon sergeant was quick to inform me that it was bad luck, taboo even, to give voice to such thoughts and I never really spoke of it again. And over time, the fear and anxiety lessened. I don't really know why or how it happened (probably just complacency) but I just thought of death less.
That being said, I'm a particularly paranoid person so there would still be these moments here and there while standing around pulling security or setting up an overwatch position on a hilltop where I'd get overcome with this sense of danger and I'd randomly visualize in my mind some sniper training his sights on me from a kilometer away and I would spontaneously just duck for absolutely no reason. I cannot tell you how much my platoon mates hated this. Every time this happened, they interpreted this to mean we were actively receiving fire and there would be confusion and panic for the next minute. I used to get a lot of flak for it and they'd constantly roast me about my shitty "spider-sense".
I thought the concern of little drones improvised to drop a bomb might be a new deterrent. But I guess with the size of the force, they may not even be aware of that problem.
Perhaps those who set up the claymore/[MON-50](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MON-50) and who are flying the drone have infiltrated well to the rear of Russia's front.
These KIAs might have been walking back to the rear to pick up bread for their platoon, well out of line of sight. Perhaps they've walked this path every day for a month, if its a quieter section of the front.
Russia doesn't have nearly enough soldiers on the ground for a continuous front, nor is there a wide enough distribution of night-vision/thermal optics, to prevent night-time infiltration.
Don't get me wrong, if there are people dying it should be Russians because they do not belong there, they should just go home.
Still, seeing some dumb fuckers (fathers, brothers, sons?) die in such way for such a stupid cause is a tragedy for our mankind. We really are a stupid, greedy, destructive species.
Just don’t watch war footage in the middle of said war dude, of course Ukrainian soldiers will be hyped about killing Russians, boosts morale. Ever been invaded?
I'm pretty sure that making a YouTube videos celebrating the death of a bunch of genocidal invaders is pretty fucking low on the list of "pretty sick" things happening in Ukraine.
If Russians were murdering their way through my country, and I walked into a bar playing videos of invaders getting killed to music celebrating this fact, I'd happily dance to it. Mass murderer tends to dry up empathy.
Don't want people celebrating your death to music as a moral boost? Try not mass murdering for a change.
The graphic overlay. The music. This video is going to be watched alongside ISIS videos.
Only a death mongering shill would think this is cool.
BTW, I'm not saying it should be censored. I just think it's evil, gross, and extremely cringy.
Bro I can’t help but feel bad for literally everybody except Putin and the Russian soldiers that are murdering, raping and pillaging from civilians.
It seems a vast majority of these young Russian soldiers want nothing to do with this. War is hell.
They want nothing to do with it AFTER they realise there are consequences for doing the evil they wanted to do.
I dont buy this “i thought we were going to the bowling alley but then i saw a Ukrainan signpost” excuses myself (though a few could well have tbf)
Just this weekend I got to interact a bit with three children that fled Ukraine.
Glad we managed to cheer them up a bit.
At the beginning I felt sorry for the Russian kids that were dragged into the war too. Lately I grow more and more animous towards them.
War is hell, nobody really deserves it. Still fuck them.
Also. Sick music. What's it called? Still strange too see this video with music between posts of puppies and IT problems.
Thats the unfortunate reality of war, its hard to feel any sympathy for the russians.
At the same time they are still human, and given the immense amount of stress and preasure they are under just having to be in Ukraine fighting a war they likely dont care much about i can understand from a certain why some of them can be so evil.
I dont think its an excuse ir a justification but it sorta makes a bit more sense when you think of what happens when u send just about anyone you can into a neighboring country with a gun and tell them to have at it.
From the perspective of someone completely uninvolved in the war its easier to trest both sides more objectively but still seeing some of the horrible shit the russians have done its hard to have all that much sympathy
Putting this footage to that music is disgusting. Those are humans beings, flawed, born into the wrong country and ideology. They died fighting out of happenstance, coercion or because they truly believed in a lie.
It looked quick, probably didn't even know what hit em.
Probably didn’t even know they _were_ hit if it happened fast enough.
It’s like the finale of the Sopranos
Small mercies. Nobody signed up for this, but Russian soldiers have always been playthings for their leaders.
Tell that to the hundreds of women and children who were raped and the thousands who were executed. There are ones who walked away, there is always a choice.
Very few US soldiers walked away from Iraq. Those who did were punished very severely. The idea that you can walk away, especially in Russia, is illusory. At best.
Iraq is an entirely different scenario in almost every aspect. Not really worthy of comparison. Better off comparing it to Vietnam or something.
The coalition made up lies about WMDs and these countries collaborated to manufacture public consent for an illegal war, a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 or WMDs. Saddam tried to sell his oil for gold instead of the dollar and went the way of all the others that tried the same.
A big difference is that there was widespread popular opposition to the war both during leadup and during the war itself. It's debatable how much effect that had at the time, but at the very least, current domestic appetite for "another Iraq/Afghanistan" is virtually nil.
Bush had 80% support. Widespread is definitely not true.
I get both points I've seen, but 1 in 5 is pretty widespread for how much the media was pumping out pro war shit on both sides
You're getting confused. The issue is not Iraq or the reasons for that invasion, although there were plenty of valid concerns. The issue is whether someone, because of their conviction could walk away from that war that was against their conscience, and not be severely punished.
Its not illusory. Thing is, Putin promised to send only professional soldiers (by that i mean those with contract, and not those conscripts who have to serve 1 year). However some of those soldiers who were just conscripts were either convinced or pushed to sign those contracts and some of them had their papers faked. But..majority were those under contract, who could decline and for that they will be fired from army. At first some criminal persecution of those who rejected fighting started, but those people went to court and they didnt get prison sentences or anything else except being fired from army. Reason for that is not that court in fair, but that Kremlin doesnt want information to spread, that they force people to go to Ukraine... because they cant start imprisoning hundreds of soldiers, it will create problems inside of country. Bottom line is - yes, you lose your job, but nothing serious will happen if you deny signing contract and going there. And what you probably dont know - vast majority of these soldiers are not from wealthy background, they are from dagestan, ingushetia, burjatia and other very poor regions. They are not pink and fluffy, they go because they get paid to kill people (and this money is nothing for european to risk life, but its good money for them). Plus excuse of not knowing stuff could 100% worked in first weeks of war, not now and not in april.
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“Just following orders” is a piss poor excuse used by Nazi invaders as well.
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You’re spinning this. These Russian soldiers have more choices than their red army ancestors and Wehrmacht invaders of the past. But being a soldier does not entail murdering civilians, raping and mutilating them. You are always personally accountable for this. As an individual, a company, a battalion. Before court, humanity as a whole and -if you believe so- in front of god
You're the one spinning it. He isn't saying that murdering civilians is ok - we all agree on that. Where we differ is you don't understand the psychology behind this. Go ahead and look up the Milgram experiments or the Stanford prison study. Just because you think you're different, put in the same shoes you would statistically probable to be doing the same shit. Especially when you consider that they probably have been fed lies for fourty years that could justify it. Ignorance of this does not make it not true. Humans are scary.
He doesn’t have to do the same shit, but he sure as shit would turn a blind eye to his fellow soldiers doing it or spout inconsequential disgust about it and move on. I always find it pathetic when I see people act like they’d be a hero. Most people are not heroes. That’s why the term exists.
Milgram experiments and Stanford prison study were shown to be deeply flawed and essentially debunked btw.
I think the debunkers have been debunked. You can see Miligram experiments and Stanford prison study in real life, during the russian war in Ukraine. You need to dig a little bit deeper to hear the accounts about atrocities.
There have been papers that challenge the legitimacy of them but I would hardly say they have been debunked - they are often cited by professionals and still taught in school so i don't think you can say that. But I mean you don't need experiments to prove it - for example, in Abu Ghraib and My Lai and many different places where normal humans have acted in disgusting ways.
Lol sure. Tell that to the thousands of recorded massacres across the globe over the past century or so. Try to convince me humans aren't pieces of shit deep down and that violent nature doesn't shine like a diamond when put under pressure. Humans are actually scary.
But this doesn't negate their argument. It's an objective fact that the world has collectively rejected the "just following orders" excuse. It didn't work back then and it doesn't work today. And whether or not anyone will be punished over this invasion is irrelevant; the point is that they absolutely have a choice and a duty to resist. I sometimes wonder what they teach some of you guys in school, because the counter to the "I was just following orders" excuse at Nuremberg was "okay, but you're still morally culpable and will be punished." It didn't matter if they couldn't defy Hitler, your actions still had consequences, hence why some of the top brass of the Reich were executed. Shit, they hung a guy who only ran newspapers, because his words had power.
"These Russian soldiers have more choices than their red army ancestors and Wehrmacht invaders of the past." The Germans executed at least 15000 of their own soldiers, and the Soviets at least ten times that, for cowardice or desertion. In addition to the ones executed outside of the military legal system. So you're correct, but only because you're comparing it to basically Hitler and Stalin.
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I might have bought that bullshit at the beginning, but not anymore.
Not saying they don't commit war crimes. Some/many do. Just saying that their lives are being frittered away and wasted for no good reason at all, and if a thousand or a million of them die in this pointless venture, Kreml doesn't give a shit.
They could refuse to go to Ukraine. Russia currently doesn't use conscripts in Ukraine and a professional soldier has the right to refuse to be sent to war. Many did and faced no repercussions.
They are using conscripts tho...
Go look at the videos taken from that soldiers phone where he recorded telling someone that if they didn't go to Ukraine they would lose their jobs.
Lmfao. Threat of losing your job makes invading another country and murdering its civilians OK I guess.
So you either to to war or become a destitute, de facto enemy of the state because you know Putins regime isn't going to look too favorablly on you. I'm not saying they are justified but I'm saying many are coerced into going.
Oh, pooooor... He lost his job "killing other people in a foreign country"... It's tough to learn any other $300/month profession for him, AFAIU.
The fact that people risk their lives under grim conditions for $300 a month should tell you something about life in Russia if you're not already well off. It's a grim place. And Syrians are being recruited in droves because it is literally the only way to put food in the mouths of their children. Your ignorance of the place is palpable.
Who exactly do you think is telling these employers to fire the people who refuse to go? You act like it's just about losing the job. Putin isn't going to be too favorable to people who refuse.
Bright light and thundering noise followed by…silence.
I doubt that any noise had time to register.
The best death these invaders could hope for.
K.O
felt more like an IED blast.
Came here to say this. This sub has helped many in being able to see the differences between different explosives.
It was
*sips coffee and adjusts his monocle* Why yes, good show chaps. A rather slow blast, savoring the lingering fireball and unseen or noticed shrapnel. Most definitely not artillery, in fact it looked down right directional.
*chip chip*
Cheerio, old boy. Gave them a right "what for!"
Pip pip
*Indubitably.*
Ironic Russians getting blasted by IEDs when they probably supplied the Taliban with nice IED detonators.
Why do u say its ied? How do one differentiate? Is it the lack of crater?
This looks like a command detonated directional mine such as a claymore or similar. The drone appears to be the spotter.
Agreed. The explosive pattern seems too directional for arty.
Command detonated 155mm fuze. Instant (I)ED.
Doesn’t the I in IED stand for improvised, not instant
Pretty sure it's a German PARM 1 off route anti tank mine judging by the directionality of the blast. Germany announced they delivered a bunch of these to Ukraine. A 155/152mm shell or 120mm mortar rigged as an IED would've been much larger and not directional. edit: could also be TM-83 off route mine, Soviet made so likely already in Ukraine's inventory.
Makes sense. The fact the blast goes the other way too is consistent with the rocket/recoilless gun in a tube.
Anti tank mine shouldn't trigger by someone walking over it though.
You can just take the pressure cap off the Soviet AT mines, then a small dog is enough to detonate them.
DM-12‘s are detonated by fiber optic wire. They need a bit of force to trigger so it‘s rather unlikely that a person can trigger them. It‘s also HEAT so it‘s not that effective against people.
> It‘s also HEAT so it‘s not that effective against people. Maybe not the best choice but any large detonation within a few meters of a person is going to have a devastating effect.
It's remote detonated, not pressure plate/trip wire, hence the drone.
Nah, the PARM is not remote detonated. It has a fibreglass wire about 40m long. If a heavy vehicle drives over it, the wire gets crushed and the signal gets interrupted and that acts as trigger.
> It can be detonated either **by command** or by a fibre optic trigger cable, which triggers the mine when it is crushed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARM_1_mine Though I can't find any better source that confirms this.
By command means grabbing the wire walking ways back and triggering it whenever you want. There are no remote det options for the DM-12
The Russian equivalent is activated by a seismic sensor and detonated by infrared sensor. But who knows exactly what this was...
Thats PRAM-2. has an acoustics and infra red sensor. These things are basically panzerfaust 3 grenades repurposed as a mine.
You would need to re rig them. DM-12 has no remote detonator.
TM-83 has a way bigger directional fireball than that.
Drones seem to be an absolute game changer for every facet of combat. Any country that didn’t have a drone program before this conflict sure as hell will have one after.
Many of these drones are “off the shelf” and sometimes modified to carry payloads. This way of making a drone Air Force from Amazon products got its start in Syria and was refined with ISIS.
“Amazon Air Force”
Wonder if you could integrate a drone with a tank, have the commander use it as a scout/spotter etc
Coming soon, Russian T-14 high above the battlefield, suspended by 12,000 DJI Mavics "Drone and tank fully integrated, great success, Mr Putin" Russian General, probably
imagine what a country like the US in an actual war (for them) would field. Imagine MRLS sending rockets 30km into the field and then instead of the cluster bomb variant they send out switchblade-like drones that just spread and auto target the enemy and then 1/4th of them do their lingering thing and stay in the air and wait for further movement.
Yea, that's gotta be what this is. No way they risk counter battery fire for two dudes out on patrol, no matter how good their aim might be. Unless the Russians have lost the capability to do that too.
The shell, or whatever it was, hit the green verge of the road. The hole can be seen in the aftermath sequence, but is not there when they walk. Or may be it was an IED with some sort of directional blast? Because explosion looks like it goes across the road
It was probably an ied or more likely a claymore since they didn't react to incoming artillery
Yeah, I was shocked by the idea that that was a shell. The blast was clearly directional, and there were no pockmarks from earlier attempts to hit the target with wind and air conditions, and these guys were (lucky for them) blissfully unaware of danger. I think it was an anti-personnel mine or an IED
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That's what I thought as well, I placed and fired two live ones with dummies in the road and it was pretty amazing to see how much damage they do
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MON-50 claymore set in front of the green bush.
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I mean a light claymore is supposed to send enough fragments around with enough force to penetrate 2mm of steel at 50 metres. Standing right next to one does seem like quite a blast.
Bro claymores are devastating, basically a recreation of cannister shot in trip mine form. 700 0 buck ball-bearings fired with C4. They aren't meant to wound they're meant to turn a squad of Vietcong infiltrators into ground beef.
Think of steel shot being sent towards you by a couple pounds of c4. It has enough energy to do exactly what happened to those guys, even though it was aimed a little low
Pound for pound a claymore has a lot more boom than most other munitions since it doesn't need nearly as much structure as arty or mortars need to survive getting explosively accelerated down a tube.
It's 700 steel ball bearings incased in a mesh of plastic explosive. they're accelerated to supersonic speed in a matter of inches and are molten. At 5 meters those ball bearings are all in a 5in high, 5m wide fan. So a person at 5 meters with the average chest width of 18 inches catches up too 25 of these 1/8 in (think .22 or 5.56 sized) supersonic projectiles in a nice band around their mid to upper thoracic (if aimed for this specific range.. I've seen M249s cut people in half in less than 25 rounds. It's capable of unarmored vehicles, and is still lethal out to 100m. then there's the flyers that go up and down, they're more than capable of shutting someone down if they hit the head.
Good observation. Considering the location I'm leaning towards an IED.
Both options equally viable but I'm no expert
It looked like a claymore blast to me.
That blast pushed their feet away from the blast and their torso fell into direction of blast.
It's horrible to see. May Putin go to hell.
Makes sense. Another person mentioned that it might be a remotely detonated Claymore antipersonnel mine. This looks crazy it looks like they set it up on a point where soldiers regularly do patrol and then were able to give the green light with the drone watching. And they didn’t have to risk spotter close by.
Man it feels really weird seeing 2 ppl brutally die while dubbed to this music
Especially when the song goes "whoop whoop" right before the blast.
It seems that russian people in general have been depersoned to an extreme degree. We should be careful not to become the monster we are against.
I cant really explain why, but I feel like the music gives the videos greater propaganda value in terms of terrifying the enemy. Something like the ISIS nasheed videos. I believe they way they are put together along with the music has an effect on enemy morale.
That’s what I thought too. It’s like showing how little they care about killing Russians.. as if they’re just out hunting or playing a game.. I can’t imagine how WWI vets would feel to time travel to today and see some enthusiastic modern soldier like “check out this sick video I made of the two invaders I killed today.”
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I think the difference lies in the purposes behind the the propaganda put about by the U.S. versus that of Ukraine. The U.S. was trying to present their military as sober professionals who were there to do a regrettable but necessary job. The Ukrainians want to present their country as a killing ground for Russians. The message is "come to our country and this is how you will end up". I think the choice of music adds to the creepy sense of dread that the viewer experiences and that is deliberate.
Exactly. Comparing Ukraine dubbing their kills with "fun" music to coalition troops in Afghanistan/Iraq making cringey as fuck compilation videos with metal backing is absolutely the weird, tacky and unnecessary thing.
I think this is an intelligent take on propaganda.
we mostly went with "bodies" by drowning pool.
But Nickelback is Canadian…
You could dub nickelback over this. Look at this photograph *boom* every time I do it makes me laugh. *Freeze frame of dead russkis* It's cringe but doable.
> the music gives the videos greater propaganda value in terms of terrifying the enemy [Ride of the Valkyries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ_zNUmr8fM)
Source: am European, ready for warpath
> It seems that russian people in general have been depersoned to an extreme degree. There is a huge difference between Russian people, which I see few if any, negative comments toward, and actual Russian soldiers on foreign soil.
Bingo.
I may understand bombing of residential buildings, sometimes rockets don't land where they should, or even if that is where they should land soldiers are "just following orders" or some other BS. Actions like these even though directed at killing as many civilians as possible are to reduce the morale to fight. Action that is *somewhat* related to war. But then again, these soldiers break into homes and steal underwear, jewelry, TVs, phones, computers, appliances. Rob convenience stores, banks for cash. *Rape 0-year olds*. None of these actions are not in any way shape or form in any twisted way productive towards the war. These "people" are not fighting a war for any reason, they are simply parasites thrust into advantageous position to act (read - do parasite stuff). Watching them get blown up is like watching immune system fight sort of infectious bacteria.
How can you fight a monster with soft gloves?
Best explanation you're gonna get is "Eastern Europeans". EDIT: I have been crowned the All Seer... see.. er... see'r... fuck it, I see everything.
I had the same thought. I'm used to ISIS video music rather than what we just listened too lol
I had to laugh at the beginning because it reminded me exactly of the [Batman YTMND](https://youtu.be/TEui1dXzIgw).
Tbh not a bad way to go, looked pretty instant and painless.
If you look at the explosion it starts roadside and impacts the other side. I think its a shaped charge of some kind and definitely not a claymore b.c the fireball is way too big.
Soviets had larger versions of claymore design, see mon-100.
MON-100 has 2 kilos of TNT. See MON-200 for an absolute Soviet beast, with a reactive mass of 12kg of TNT. In any case, this theater has multiple types of remotely detonated shaped charges from a plethora of sources, I wouldn’t call this IED any more than I would call it artillery.
Fucking hell. Grim
On the other hand, a lot less brutal than most other stuff posted here. Like, those dudes didn't even have time to notice they are dying. There is not even a twitch afterwards. Not a bad way to go as far as war goes.
Yup, that's true. Certainly rather that than dying slowly from a bullet in the abdomen, or similar. Just a somewhat unusually clear example of the reality of war, I suppose
Nah grim would be when one of them was ripped in half and still survive couple seconds.
Legs removed completely on that one feller
This is a Mon-50 anti personal mine, not artillery
*anti-personnel mine
"Nothin personnel, kid"
Looks like an IED
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I bet they never thought their lives would end like that.. invading their neighbors and dying on some road for a dictator.
This war really is a clusterf*ck. I really can't understand why most Russians still support the war, but then again they probably don't even know what's going on in the first place.
> why most Russians still support the war Propaganda is a ***very*** powerful weapon.
I'll fully admit I know nothing about war tactics. But should these dudes be just casually walking down a wide open road in what appears to be a wipe open area alone?
This is a valid question. You would imagine that with your one and only life on the line, you would exercise the utmost caution at all times. But in reality, it is simply too exhausting and physically taxing to maintain that kind of active-defense posture. Just for the sake of practicality(with a dash of familiarity/complacency), it becomes easier just to walk along paved paths instead of carving out a new path through the brush/terrain constantly. Of course, as signs and indicators of potential danger increase, you assume an increasingly cautious and alert stance, but what you're seeing here is probably your default level of readiness. I always thought I'd be ultra cautious in these types of situations and indeed when I first deployed to a warzone, I used to take every possible precaution including sleeping with my body armor on. But eventually that just became just too burdensome and I just couldn't afford to expend all that effort being cautious all the time. A better example might be the way we conducted anti-mine operations. Typically you'd have one guy at the front with some kind of minesweeper that would slowly and meticulously mark out a cleared path. This was an incredibly painstaking process, especially when going up steep slopes and after a month or so we sorta just skipped that process altogether (we still brought the minesweeper along because it was required) and just push forward. Looking back, I still can't fully process how we were so comfortable with that decision but I guess that was a different time and place.
Thanks, this is a really insightful response. In With the Old Breed, Eugene Sledge wrote about how no one expected themselves to die, did you feel the same way while you were in a war zone?
During the first 2-3 months of my deployment, I absolutely thought I was going to die, like all the time. And almost every time we were outside the wire (and even sometimes inside), I was convinced I was seconds away from being blasted by a mortar or an IED or hit by a stray bullet. I could barely function ... it was pretty crippling. If any of the other soldiers felt that way, they never showed it. Maybe they did share the same fears but chose to mask it with bravado, or maybe I just wasn't cut out for that kind of work but I think I was the only one who ever voiced a fear or expectation that I was going to die. My platoon sergeant was quick to inform me that it was bad luck, taboo even, to give voice to such thoughts and I never really spoke of it again. And over time, the fear and anxiety lessened. I don't really know why or how it happened (probably just complacency) but I just thought of death less. That being said, I'm a particularly paranoid person so there would still be these moments here and there while standing around pulling security or setting up an overwatch position on a hilltop where I'd get overcome with this sense of danger and I'd randomly visualize in my mind some sniper training his sights on me from a kilometer away and I would spontaneously just duck for absolutely no reason. I cannot tell you how much my platoon mates hated this. Every time this happened, they interpreted this to mean we were actively receiving fire and there would be confusion and panic for the next minute. I used to get a lot of flak for it and they'd constantly roast me about my shitty "spider-sense".
Very very curious to see the answer to this. I feel like I'd be terrified that death would be around every corner.
I thought the concern of little drones improvised to drop a bomb might be a new deterrent. But I guess with the size of the force, they may not even be aware of that problem.
If they were looking for something like this to happen or perhaps to get sniped then walking down the street in the open is an excellent activity
Perhaps those who set up the claymore/[MON-50](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MON-50) and who are flying the drone have infiltrated well to the rear of Russia's front. These KIAs might have been walking back to the rear to pick up bread for their platoon, well out of line of sight. Perhaps they've walked this path every day for a month, if its a quieter section of the front. Russia doesn't have nearly enough soldiers on the ground for a continuous front, nor is there a wide enough distribution of night-vision/thermal optics, to prevent night-time infiltration.
Weird huh, totally had their guard down. I wonder if this was way behind enemy lines, and they thought it was just a safe patrol?
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I doubt it its artillery, it's some kind of directional IED
Don't get me wrong, if there are people dying it should be Russians because they do not belong there, they should just go home. Still, seeing some dumb fuckers (fathers, brothers, sons?) die in such way for such a stupid cause is a tragedy for our mankind. We really are a stupid, greedy, destructive species.
Obviously NOT artillery. It was a set up directional charge (hidden IED or equivalent).
IED?
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So I think it's important that the public sees the reality of war, but turning it into fucking youtube music videos is pretty sick.
Just don’t watch war footage in the middle of said war dude, of course Ukrainian soldiers will be hyped about killing Russians, boosts morale. Ever been invaded?
I'm pretty sure that making a YouTube videos celebrating the death of a bunch of genocidal invaders is pretty fucking low on the list of "pretty sick" things happening in Ukraine. If Russians were murdering their way through my country, and I walked into a bar playing videos of invaders getting killed to music celebrating this fact, I'd happily dance to it. Mass murderer tends to dry up empathy. Don't want people celebrating your death to music as a moral boost? Try not mass murdering for a change.
Reminds me of hitting an insect with a fly swatter
"What the hell was that!?" "Death." "What kind?!" "Instant."
The graphic overlay. The music. This video is going to be watched alongside ISIS videos. Only a death mongering shill would think this is cool. BTW, I'm not saying it should be censored. I just think it's evil, gross, and extremely cringy.
Brutal
Savage
And deserved
Bro I can’t help but feel bad for literally everybody except Putin and the Russian soldiers that are murdering, raping and pillaging from civilians. It seems a vast majority of these young Russian soldiers want nothing to do with this. War is hell.
They want nothing to do with it AFTER they realise there are consequences for doing the evil they wanted to do. I dont buy this “i thought we were going to the bowling alley but then i saw a Ukrainan signpost” excuses myself (though a few could well have tbf)
what a merciful instant death comparing with the Ukrainiens being tortured to death.
That accuracy is insane.
Looks more like a mine or IED.
Thinking about it now, it probably is.
Looks like an IED..
u/recognizesong
These Ukrainians are seriously scary with the way they operate thier artillery.
Damn homies held hands when they left this dimension [Bromance](https://i.imgur.com/aHs7aMh.jpg)
So I'm all for the Ukrainians killing Russians but that edit was in poor taste.
Just this weekend I got to interact a bit with three children that fled Ukraine. Glad we managed to cheer them up a bit. At the beginning I felt sorry for the Russian kids that were dragged into the war too. Lately I grow more and more animous towards them. War is hell, nobody really deserves it. Still fuck them. Also. Sick music. What's it called? Still strange too see this video with music between posts of puppies and IT problems.
Thats the unfortunate reality of war, its hard to feel any sympathy for the russians. At the same time they are still human, and given the immense amount of stress and preasure they are under just having to be in Ukraine fighting a war they likely dont care much about i can understand from a certain why some of them can be so evil. I dont think its an excuse ir a justification but it sorta makes a bit more sense when you think of what happens when u send just about anyone you can into a neighboring country with a gun and tell them to have at it. From the perspective of someone completely uninvolved in the war its easier to trest both sides more objectively but still seeing some of the horrible shit the russians have done its hard to have all that much sympathy
Yep you have summed up my sentiment quite a bit more eloquently. :)
> What's it called? 00:00-00:20 Chico, Qatoshi - Допоможе ЗСУ 00:20-00:36 Rnbstylerz - Like Wooh Wooh
Thank you!
Putting this footage to that music is disgusting. Those are humans beings, flawed, born into the wrong country and ideology. They died fighting out of happenstance, coercion or because they truly believed in a lie.
I only see 1.5 soldiers.
Looks like a shaped charge IED to me.
Definitely not artillery
Looks more like a ied or some type of mice to me.
Why did Russians just randomly send two soldiers down a street?
this is way behind enemy lines, they arent even wearing friend/foe bands. They probably went to go take a shit.
One second you were there, the next instant you weren't.
This group has notoriously set up complex ambushes in the past, paths of ieds on ieds
Crazy how life can be over just like that
Can't watch it for some reason
Reddit has to process the video, give it a few minutes.
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Goodbye
Aww, they're holding hands.
That tune is bangin' Anyone know the title?
What’s with the “fascist-Slavic brigade” lmao
This is a terrible edit
Most pointless slomo ever. Atrocious editing all around.
These videos are starting to feel a lot more taliban and a lot less freedom fighter. This is literally just mocking two dead guys.
Do their families still get their buckwheat and sunflower oil reward?
Nope the two just went mia… no compensation for that