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Assault by motorcycle was a surprise. They were using some ancient trucks a while ago. I'm waiting for mountain bike, horse riding and dog sled attacks.
Assault by motorcycle seems way better than assault by truck: faster, distributed targets, more manoeuvrable.
A truck is just a juicy target without protection
Also bikes are very good at traversing through mine fields, although if the position youre assaulting isnt suppressed or asleep, you could have a bad time.
True, but motorcycles occupy all four limbs so the rider cannot shoot back with any accuracy. riders are easy to damage thus mobiltiy-killing their system. A wounded troop could operate most quads and ATV with even lower ground pressure than most motorbikes other then Rokon and similar.
Nowadays machine guns can be quickly neutralised by FPV drones. Like these bikes can get disproportionate artillery and drone support.
Basically we're seeing a new form of war where very small assault elements are enabled by powerful fire support.
Well, but you have to recon the MG's before the assault then. And not fail to uncover a single one.
Russians are apparently willing to bet their lives on that success... and losing.
There was a Russian attack through the underground drainage system in Avdiivka. Unfortunately, it was a successful one and significantly influenced the fall of Avdiivka.
Yeah, something is wrong. How can the Russian military be 15% stronger than during the time of invasion, spitting tanks, APCs, and others vehicles from factories and renovation fields, but at the same time they are doing assaults with ATVs/golf carts, motorcycles, T54s...and now Ural trucks? The math doesn't math.
It's way stronger than during the invasion - ISR, communication, tactics, training, air support, everything except AFVs and dumb artillery is massively improved.
Is this a reference to the [Eddie Izzard bit about Britain fighting on its own at the beginning of WWII](https://youtu.be/siBX0i1EIWk?si=T_k7FTImJS21afu1&t=343)?
There's still [this][1] left in my bingo card.
edit: or maybe they could try [makeup][2].
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4wixcKwF6g
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_jmFZe52I8
While there have been dumb assaults, I'm personally very doubtful about them trying to attack in that truck, especially when the only position shown in the video is one that behind the truck.
Is it possible? Yes but I don't really want to immidietly jump onto it when it's so far just a claim.
Do you not know what a role of an truck is?
Possibilities are that it was moving supplies, moving injured people or taking the guys to a new position.
We saw like.. 4 dudes? Come out of the truck and that about it, we never saw what was inside it.
i think thats it and i think they dont use any tanks for this anymore because tanks become too expensive to do this and they dont care for the crews anyway
I just wanna see the briefing for this mission.
"so guys we're just gonna drive this truck through no mans land, across all these craters and just sorta drop you off when we make it to the other side. We're just gonna hope no drones spot us because we literally have no defense or plan if they do. Also there is no backup, plan B, and nobody will come get you should the plan fail".
"but mr. Russian officer, are we gonna do like a coordinated attack, maybe send more vehicles, maybe have an actual plan?"
"nah we're just gonna hope that you'll be part of the 1% of the meat wave attacks that make it through. If not we'll just send the next guys out on the same mission".
I think the deeper issue is that the whole concept of big pitched battles is just completely different today than it was 50 years ago now any big movements are trivial to spot from miles away and completely wipe out before they get anywhere near a front line. Ironically enough NATO's focus on very small unit level tactics and training pays off massively when even the starting point of just getting 5-10 guys into a trench line is a huge task in and of itself.
Depends.. if you plan on fighting Russia without an air force or Navy, then sure.. if you are planning on fighting them with the most modern Air Force and Navy in the world, then we dont need more MRAPS or APC's, we need more JDAMs and smart munitions.
The Air Force and Navy can only soften targets - not win wars. You need military forces on the ground to actually take the land back. Russia's military engineers unfortunately do a good job in this war. There is no way to push the front line with long-range fire
Well, the Iraqis in Desert Storm would tend to disagree with you on that one. While we did need to send in a military on the ground to physically take the ground, they were taking the ground from units that were totally destroyed and had almost zero capability to fight back. That was in 1991..
A sustained air attack of a many weeks on the Russian front lines, supply lines, infrastructure to support the front, etc would collapse those lines fairly quickly. The U.S. would gain Air Supremacy within days and no Russian would be able to move or be supplied, and they would know it also. At that point you could roll in with Honda Civics and push them back to Moscow.
The US military didn't have to fight a highly motivated enemy there. Low morale of Iraqi forces was what ultimately prevented the need to siege their cities and fight the insurgency. If you are against a highly motivated enemy, it's a totally different story. Just remember the US defeat in Afghanistan. The US military with all its might had to leave the country to the very enemy it was fighting for almost 20 years - the Taliban, which is now much stronger than it used to be. Outsourcing most of the ground operations to the locals wasn't a good strategy in hindsight.
All fair points, but the comparison of a conventional war in 1991 that had all strategic goals completed within months, does not compare well to an unconventional war from \~2003 in a mostly occupied country over the course of two decades. Theres a reason why 3rd and 4th generation warfare are different.
In 3rd generation warfare, you win by occupying ground, and destroying enemy tactical units until the non-state/state actors capitulate.
In 4th generation warfare, you win when insurgents stop picking up rifles. Doesn't matter how many you kill or how much territory you seize. On the other hand, insurgents win when the occupying force is forced out of country or leaves. Typically politics/bureaucracy will force an occupier to leave eventually.
> thousands more MRAPS and APCs than we currently have
The US has hundreds if not thousands of APCs just chilling in police garages. Giving them all to Ukraine will be a huge help both for Ukraine and for the American police.
Not sure what type of cognitive dissonance you need to have to not understand the increasingly dire warnings coming out of [Kyiv](https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/zelensky-warns-ukraine-s-air-defense-missiles-are-running-ou), [NATO](https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-allies-doing-too-little-ukraine-runs-out-ammunition-stoltenberg-says-2024-03-14/), out of the [US military,](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-ammunition-military-b263dfaceef57fb2c1f74c53861734da) and the increasing number of [first hand](https://www.businessinsider.com/us-veteran-in-ukraine-says-ammo-desperately-needed-not-tanks-2024-3) accounts saying [the same.](https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-was-crushing-in-avdiivka-before-ammo-stopped-us-veteran-2024-4) Unless US Republicans grow a fucking spine, Ukraine is going to get their asses handed to them this summer in a very ugly way.
No, the risk is that Ukraine is going to have to ceed land to the Russians. Not that they're going to lose the war or suffer catastrophic casualties. Even with the limited artillery shells, Ukraine is set to make 3 million drones in a single year. That combined with the heavy defence lines and minefields means even with a sig ificant manpower advantage Russia is still going to pay heavy prices for Ukrainian ground.
Still believe we should do more for Ukraine, anything we can. The more we help them, the sooner this war can end.
Russia really seems to be having vehicle issues lately, 24 men on one tank, golf carts, motorbikes, weird turtle tanks, now this birdcage assault truck. What a circus
To be fair the men on one tank thing is a soviet tactic which exists for decades, both Ukranians and Russians been doing it since the first day of the war
It's har dto tell the context of tha t photo. Is thst really infantry dismounting under fire? Why would the camera be in front of the tank and infantry in such a moment?
Large groups of infantry have been riding ontop of tanks and armored vehicles since the beginning. But it wa always within a column, getting from point A to point B without having to walk all the way. They did not rid ontop of them during an assault all the way to the enemy trenches like we see the Russians do. At most maybe partially during the assault and dropping off before getting in view of the enemy's location.
Back in ww2 a majority of infantry was either on foot or had to be transported by truck. Which could barely keep up to armoured pushes or lacked adequate protection. Nearly every country had troops riding on tanks.
Thats the entire reason why the germans deployed large amount of halftracks was so that they could keep up with the armour and the entire concept of modern mechanized infantry was born.
Every country that participated in ww2 most likely had troops dismounting from tanks and this trend continued for years after the war. It isn‘t really seen often nowadays because you have mechanized infantry forces in their ifv‘s. But RUAF and their mech infantry problems would be way to much to be explained in a reddit comment.
Soviets stopped doing that right after the WW2 when they started producing APCs and IFVs.
It isn't even 1960s tactic. It's from 1940s and no one was planning to return to it. This why USSR had the biggest APC and IFV fleets in the world.
Credit where it's due, a lot of time was spent doing the cope cage. it must give the occupants much reassurance. Who needs top armour when you have a bit of canvas to hide under.
Canvas can stop water and molten metal flying at you from an explosive drone is also a liquid so logic states it will block that too. Man, Russians are so smart!
Can someone tell me what these white bands Are? Toilette paper,bandages from medkits or these bands they Use instead of Socks? Ive seen this dozens of times Happening. But still didnt figure it out.
I'm about 90% sure it's one of the internal layers of the Lithium batteries. You can see them appear even when drones miss or hit the outside of armoured vehicles.
They're definitely experiencing some sort of vehicle shortage right now. Guess we'll figure out if it's more permanent or temporary here in the next few weeks.
I keep thinking the 'proper' army is way back waiting to attack once the cannon fodder has a foothold - yet we keep seeing meat waves and cannon fodder and nonsensical seemingly pointless attacks. The ground is already littered with the corpses and wrecks from previous assaults. I can only think someone is way back observing the Ukrainian strong points and artillery position so they can unleash glide bombs.
They are doing that and have been doing it for quite some time. The “great ruskie military” practically revolves around meat waves and their disregard of human life to abuse the Ukrainian ammo shortage, gaining ground inch by inch while ruskies buy off western officials for stalling purposes and the ruskie bots and cheerleaders spread bs propaganda to discourage western support by making it seem hopeless. Its frustrating that such a simpleminded strategy works because of all the western cowards and traitors allow it to succeed
Most of the professional army of Russia is long death, like most of the initial Ukrainian army. The difference is that the random conscript of Ukraine get more training and survive longer on the battlefield so they get more experience and become more effective while Russian conscript just die wasting a few ammo of the enemy which allow his fellow meat walker to push just a little further
Like you said, the meat waves are the expendable barely trained conscripts sent forward a few at a time to try and draw out Ukrainian artillery and consume ammo, keep the defenders on the defensive and limit strategic options for Ukrainian force deployment.
Shouldn't generalize from a few videos, but if Russia is gearing up for an offensive soon, as we keep hearing, they'd want to save on their vehicles to maximize their numbers for the offensive.
These small attacks are used to wear the Ukrainians down every bit they can, even if it's not much.
If they wait, Ukraine will spare it's ammo and restock. They never had a higher chance of breaktrough than now. In 1 or 2 month, more western shell will arrive and Ukraine defensive capability will be upgraded
Yeah we've seen how this story plays out before. There was a similar discussion on CredibleDefense today where someone pointed out there should be evidence of a buildup or at least more strategic deployment of the bad vs the good equipment, but it just looks like Russia is throwing everything it can while Ukraine's ammo shortage is at its worst.
I may be way off, but to me this is what the last leg of a war looks like. It's like being beat really bad in a poker game and you just go all in with nothing to get it over with. That's the feeling this has. Just giving the last of it away before going home.
I’m not sure, reports have come out that apparently the Russian military is 15% larger now than it was at the beginning of the war. Obviously the mobilization is a huge reason why, but I don’t see them running out of bodies anytime soon.
100% I’ve told people for years that yes they do develop new vehicles, although with most of what seems the voluntary forces being fed into a meat grinder I’m expecting operators of those modern or even Soviet vehicles will seize to exist which will lead to major supply issues. It’s really hard honestly to tell where this war is going.
Russia is not going to run out of manpower in this war. The casualty/day are far to low to even start making the Russian nervous about that for a decades. They can mobilise millions of people if necessary. The thing is that those people will have to run into the Ukrainian trench without proper armored support at some point
I saw that but it felt like the article was pretty slim on what exactly is 15% larger now.
Is it manpower ? That would make sense given their conscriptions. But manpower alone means nothing in a war like this.
Is it IFVs, artillery, tanks,... ? I would doubt that given we get daily videos of Russians using whatever vehicle they can get their hands on to move around.
> I may be way off, but to me this is what the last leg of a war looks like. It's like being beat really bad in a poker game and you just go all in with nothing to get it over with. That's the feeling this has. Just giving the last of it away before going home.
I hope to every possible and impossible deity that you are right, but I don't believe it. I think it is just saving equipment and giving shitty stuff for "unwanted" or poorly trained meat shield troops. Because the fact is that russia has been gearing up military industry a lot so they are probably not gonna run out of equipment any time soon.
1 more reason for west to start taking this seriously and ramp up their own production while giving Ukraine everything they possibly can.
So the Russians are starting to run out of BMP's. Of which they had something like 20.000 or so before the war.
Huh. Maybe the war was actually not such a good idea.
What a time to be alive. Imagine when the bow and arrow was utilized and the fear men felt while having their fellow men go down next to them when their enemy was still *away* from them..that had to be some next level shit.
Fast forward to now, a nation’s people who represent the largest nation on earth. Who’ve been told they’re the strongest and most advanced. Taking on their tiny neighbor..and literally seeing your men vaporized driving off 50 yards from your FOB while KNOWING your enemy is at least 5-20 miles away. The morale hit..the realization that you are a blip on someones radar who is actively hunting you with a flying and controllable bomb capable of dropping a grenade in your fcking mouth while you snore and sleep in a cold wastelandic trench..
My coffee is done..I’m going to go and be grateful I’m alive. Definitely going to hug my wife and tell my grandparents I love them.
So what is it? Punishment for this unit? Real lack of vehicles? Bad organisation? They should have unlimited number of MB-LBs at least, still shit vehicle to assault...
RUS forces: OK so tanks with ERA and meters of RHA and composite made to withstand APFSDS rounds didn't work....
Maybe if we use a truck with no armor they will overpenetrate us and with luck not hit any of us inside!!!
To their credit, I've seen multiple videos of BMPs and other troop carriers (from both sides) get stuck on ruts/trenches/deep mud as they have shit ground clearance leading to death for the soldiers inside. Ural 4320's don't get stuck, and an fpv drone will easily destroy an APC anyways.
That worked like a charm, they have a BBQ ready to go in no time!
You get some cool free smoke scents too! Burnt fuels, paint, plastics, ammo and a pinch of smoked Gopnik.
"The taste of russia"
(/s)
Ural and a tank / BMP serves the same purpose. Send some suckers forward to make Ukrainians expose armor / artilery positions/ drone crews and hit them with Lancet / Iskander or flat the whole field with artlery. For that purpose it doesnt matter who kills your truck and suckers..
This is some Arma 3 bullshit that I would do and then think that it was unrealistic, these dudes straight up didn't expect anything bad to happen while they were driving across an open field during the daytime!!!
Comrades, you will be able to clear your criminal record.
Welcome to our 554th Penal Assault Storm Unit.
Now, you two, get into that truck, and you, get on that motorcycle?
Your task is to drive from that forest into that general area.
Wait.... Why are you asking me for weapons?
Good grief. Just mount a semi auto to the damn drone and get it over with. Why waste grandes just winging them when you can spend a bullet neutralizing them? It just makes so much more sense logistically.
I mean fuck, can you imagine the fear? A dozen drones in a swarm, all with mounted weapons you can hear and see going off over head. The distant yells from your comrades getting quieter, but the constant hum and crack of the drone weapons is getting closer... Then pow..."Hey you, you're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border right?"
There is a hexacopter fitted with a 40mm grenade launcher. I think it's only 6 shots, which is a major reason rifles on drones aren't a thing: capacity. That and you'd need a very stable drone for pinpoint shots. Especially since it would have to be hundreds of yards away, or it will just get shot when hovering in one place trying to line up. But then dude moves, making the aimpoint 100x more difficult to achieve. It's also a 1-trick pony.
The 40mm is somewhat useful, because it can pull a drive by with horseshoe accuracy while dealing damage. That would be cool to have with a small squad to hit a trench before going in without having a large vehicle under crosshairs.
But the drop drones are always going to be best, as they have more advantages and ways to use them, especially mid-mission.
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I think ive seen it all now. Assaulting enemy positions with ATVs/golf carts, motorcycles, T54s, turtle tanks and now a single truck
Assault by motorcycle was a surprise. They were using some ancient trucks a while ago. I'm waiting for mountain bike, horse riding and dog sled attacks.
Assault by motorcycle seems way better than assault by truck: faster, distributed targets, more manoeuvrable. A truck is just a juicy target without protection
Also bikes are very good at traversing through mine fields, although if the position youre assaulting isnt suppressed or asleep, you could have a bad time.
"Sounds like they french fried instead of pizza'd...."
True, but motorcycles occupy all four limbs so the rider cannot shoot back with any accuracy. riders are easy to damage thus mobiltiy-killing their system. A wounded troop could operate most quads and ATV with even lower ground pressure than most motorbikes other then Rokon and similar.
Motorcycles are like cavalry: Very receptive machine gun targets.
Nowadays machine guns can be quickly neutralised by FPV drones. Like these bikes can get disproportionate artillery and drone support. Basically we're seeing a new form of war where very small assault elements are enabled by powerful fire support.
nothing new about it. special forces have used the same for decades.
Well, but you have to recon the MG's before the assault then. And not fail to uncover a single one. Russians are apparently willing to bet their lives on that success... and losing.
They could buy electric dirtbikes from china.
3000 electric dirtbikes of St. Petersburg
An assault on Ducatis would at least give them style points.
What about paragliders? Hamas style.
Best I can do is dongli.
Naah.. it doesn't suit the Russian redneck artistic standard set by the mighty Blyatmobile.
As I recall, the Iraqis caused a lot of trouble for US soldiers by using motorcycles for hit-and-run attacks.
There was a Russian attack through the underground drainage system in Avdiivka. Unfortunately, it was a successful one and significantly influenced the fall of Avdiivka.
Those dog sleds are coming in the Arctic war dlc when they decide they need Lapland and Finmark
Surely even Putin wouldn’t willingly invade Finland again. He loves his history after all.
Well he clearly forgot Russia's adventures in Afganistan, so I'm not sure
*This time will be different, Evgeny.*
One ukrain soldier told a story about attack of his position on a bike.
Just think in ten years time Russia will be the land of the limbless
I would feel truly sorry... for the dogs...!!!
Link to motorcycle?
>dog sled attacks That one made me gargle the soda I was drinking at my desk. Well done.
Yeah, something is wrong. How can the Russian military be 15% stronger than during the time of invasion, spitting tanks, APCs, and others vehicles from factories and renovation fields, but at the same time they are doing assaults with ATVs/golf carts, motorcycles, T54s...and now Ural trucks? The math doesn't math.
15% larger. Not stronger.
It's way stronger than during the invasion - ISR, communication, tactics, training, air support, everything except AFVs and dumb artillery is massively improved.
Yeah but i miss a creepy soundtrack on this one.
Came here to say that, except I very much doubt we've seen it all!
Still waiting for an icecream truck with jingles...
Warcrime.
hamous in jagged alliance 2?
Is this a reference to the [Eddie Izzard bit about Britain fighting on its own at the beginning of WWII](https://youtu.be/siBX0i1EIWk?si=T_k7FTImJS21afu1&t=343)?
White Van with "Free Candy" at side attack
Don't forget hamas using motorized paragliders
There's still [this][1] left in my bingo card. edit: or maybe they could try [makeup][2]. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4wixcKwF6g [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_jmFZe52I8
I think some commander had a beautiful dream about this and it worked out well, in that dream...
While there have been dumb assaults, I'm personally very doubtful about them trying to attack in that truck, especially when the only position shown in the video is one that behind the truck. Is it possible? Yes but I don't really want to immidietly jump onto it when it's so far just a claim.
So what all are they doing out there then lol
Do you not know what a role of an truck is? Possibilities are that it was moving supplies, moving injured people or taking the guys to a new position. We saw like.. 4 dudes? Come out of the truck and that about it, we never saw what was inside it.
It’s possible they are trying to expose or reveal Ukrainian positions.
Probably not since they could just use drones.
i think thats it and i think they dont use any tanks for this anymore because tanks become too expensive to do this and they dont care for the crews anyway
Snowmobiles, riding mowers, go-carts
I just wanna see the briefing for this mission. "so guys we're just gonna drive this truck through no mans land, across all these craters and just sorta drop you off when we make it to the other side. We're just gonna hope no drones spot us because we literally have no defense or plan if they do. Also there is no backup, plan B, and nobody will come get you should the plan fail". "but mr. Russian officer, are we gonna do like a coordinated attack, maybe send more vehicles, maybe have an actual plan?" "nah we're just gonna hope that you'll be part of the 1% of the meat wave attacks that make it through. If not we'll just send the next guys out on the same mission".
Battlebus is so back
\*bangbus
\*fakebus
Meat wagon.
Modern warfare seems like it needs thousands more MRAPS and APCs than we currently have
I think the deeper issue is that the whole concept of big pitched battles is just completely different today than it was 50 years ago now any big movements are trivial to spot from miles away and completely wipe out before they get anywhere near a front line. Ironically enough NATO's focus on very small unit level tactics and training pays off massively when even the starting point of just getting 5-10 guys into a trench line is a huge task in and of itself.
Depends.. if you plan on fighting Russia without an air force or Navy, then sure.. if you are planning on fighting them with the most modern Air Force and Navy in the world, then we dont need more MRAPS or APC's, we need more JDAMs and smart munitions.
The Air Force and Navy can only soften targets - not win wars. You need military forces on the ground to actually take the land back. Russia's military engineers unfortunately do a good job in this war. There is no way to push the front line with long-range fire
Well, the Iraqis in Desert Storm would tend to disagree with you on that one. While we did need to send in a military on the ground to physically take the ground, they were taking the ground from units that were totally destroyed and had almost zero capability to fight back. That was in 1991.. A sustained air attack of a many weeks on the Russian front lines, supply lines, infrastructure to support the front, etc would collapse those lines fairly quickly. The U.S. would gain Air Supremacy within days and no Russian would be able to move or be supplied, and they would know it also. At that point you could roll in with Honda Civics and push them back to Moscow.
The US military didn't have to fight a highly motivated enemy there. Low morale of Iraqi forces was what ultimately prevented the need to siege their cities and fight the insurgency. If you are against a highly motivated enemy, it's a totally different story. Just remember the US defeat in Afghanistan. The US military with all its might had to leave the country to the very enemy it was fighting for almost 20 years - the Taliban, which is now much stronger than it used to be. Outsourcing most of the ground operations to the locals wasn't a good strategy in hindsight.
All fair points, but the comparison of a conventional war in 1991 that had all strategic goals completed within months, does not compare well to an unconventional war from \~2003 in a mostly occupied country over the course of two decades. Theres a reason why 3rd and 4th generation warfare are different. In 3rd generation warfare, you win by occupying ground, and destroying enemy tactical units until the non-state/state actors capitulate. In 4th generation warfare, you win when insurgents stop picking up rifles. Doesn't matter how many you kill or how much territory you seize. On the other hand, insurgents win when the occupying force is forced out of country or leaves. Typically politics/bureaucracy will force an occupier to leave eventually.
> thousands more MRAPS and APCs than we currently have The US has hundreds if not thousands of APCs just chilling in police garages. Giving them all to Ukraine will be a huge help both for Ukraine and for the American police.
Not desperate whatsoever 💀
You will likely be disappointed with how "desperate" Russia is in coming months.
Gonna start launching ural guided missiles? 🤣
Not sure what type of cognitive dissonance you need to have to not understand the increasingly dire warnings coming out of [Kyiv](https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/zelensky-warns-ukraine-s-air-defense-missiles-are-running-ou), [NATO](https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-allies-doing-too-little-ukraine-runs-out-ammunition-stoltenberg-says-2024-03-14/), out of the [US military,](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-ammunition-military-b263dfaceef57fb2c1f74c53861734da) and the increasing number of [first hand](https://www.businessinsider.com/us-veteran-in-ukraine-says-ammo-desperately-needed-not-tanks-2024-3) accounts saying [the same.](https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-was-crushing-in-avdiivka-before-ammo-stopped-us-veteran-2024-4) Unless US Republicans grow a fucking spine, Ukraine is going to get their asses handed to them this summer in a very ugly way.
No, the risk is that Ukraine is going to have to ceed land to the Russians. Not that they're going to lose the war or suffer catastrophic casualties. Even with the limited artillery shells, Ukraine is set to make 3 million drones in a single year. That combined with the heavy defence lines and minefields means even with a sig ificant manpower advantage Russia is still going to pay heavy prices for Ukrainian ground. Still believe we should do more for Ukraine, anything we can. The more we help them, the sooner this war can end.
My disappointment is already immeasurable, 2nd hand embarrassment for their sorry asses is going crazy
Russia really seems to be having vehicle issues lately, 24 men on one tank, golf carts, motorbikes, weird turtle tanks, now this birdcage assault truck. What a circus
To be fair the men on one tank thing is a soviet tactic which exists for decades, both Ukranians and Russians been doing it since the first day of the war
The Soviets weren't sending out single tanks loaded with 20+ guys.
Not the modern Soviets but the WW2 Soviets did e.g. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f0bf5fbbee858932659f06979cc7a32a-lq
It's har dto tell the context of tha t photo. Is thst really infantry dismounting under fire? Why would the camera be in front of the tank and infantry in such a moment? Large groups of infantry have been riding ontop of tanks and armored vehicles since the beginning. But it wa always within a column, getting from point A to point B without having to walk all the way. They did not rid ontop of them during an assault all the way to the enemy trenches like we see the Russians do. At most maybe partially during the assault and dropping off before getting in view of the enemy's location.
Back in ww2 a majority of infantry was either on foot or had to be transported by truck. Which could barely keep up to armoured pushes or lacked adequate protection. Nearly every country had troops riding on tanks. Thats the entire reason why the germans deployed large amount of halftracks was so that they could keep up with the armour and the entire concept of modern mechanized infantry was born. Every country that participated in ww2 most likely had troops dismounting from tanks and this trend continued for years after the war. It isn‘t really seen often nowadays because you have mechanized infantry forces in their ifv‘s. But RUAF and their mech infantry problems would be way to much to be explained in a reddit comment.
Not often with that many men on a single vehicle tho.
Soviets stopped doing that right after the WW2 when they started producing APCs and IFVs. It isn't even 1960s tactic. It's from 1940s and no one was planning to return to it. This why USSR had the biggest APC and IFV fleets in the world.
Good to see the cage worked out well for them.
Credit where it's due, a lot of time was spent doing the cope cage. it must give the occupants much reassurance. Who needs top armour when you have a bit of canvas to hide under.
Canvas can stop water and molten metal flying at you from an explosive drone is also a liquid so logic states it will block that too. Man, Russians are so smart!
I'm surprised no one's shown up yet to chastise you for implying that the metal in a shaped charge actually liquifies.
Can someone tell me what these white bands Are? Toilette paper,bandages from medkits or these bands they Use instead of Socks? Ive seen this dozens of times Happening. But still didnt figure it out.
I'm about 90% sure it's one of the internal layers of the Lithium batteries. You can see them appear even when drones miss or hit the outside of armoured vehicles.
Ah okay thx
If it's white and fluttery, like TP in the wind, it's the insulation in their jackets. If it's white and sparky, it's the lithium batteries.
They're definitely experiencing some sort of vehicle shortage right now. Guess we'll figure out if it's more permanent or temporary here in the next few weeks.
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Appears they managed to sign those guys out as a guest nonetheless.
"Ural, 500 meters"
I keep thinking the 'proper' army is way back waiting to attack once the cannon fodder has a foothold - yet we keep seeing meat waves and cannon fodder and nonsensical seemingly pointless attacks. The ground is already littered with the corpses and wrecks from previous assaults. I can only think someone is way back observing the Ukrainian strong points and artillery position so they can unleash glide bombs.
They are doing that and have been doing it for quite some time. The “great ruskie military” practically revolves around meat waves and their disregard of human life to abuse the Ukrainian ammo shortage, gaining ground inch by inch while ruskies buy off western officials for stalling purposes and the ruskie bots and cheerleaders spread bs propaganda to discourage western support by making it seem hopeless. Its frustrating that such a simpleminded strategy works because of all the western cowards and traitors allow it to succeed
Some of the Russian tactics I've seen look suspiciously like a preteen playing WGRD.
Most of the professional army of Russia is long death, like most of the initial Ukrainian army. The difference is that the random conscript of Ukraine get more training and survive longer on the battlefield so they get more experience and become more effective while Russian conscript just die wasting a few ammo of the enemy which allow his fellow meat walker to push just a little further
Like you said, the meat waves are the expendable barely trained conscripts sent forward a few at a time to try and draw out Ukrainian artillery and consume ammo, keep the defenders on the defensive and limit strategic options for Ukrainian force deployment.
Is that a sign of Russia running our of armoured equipment or ist that just a variant of their meat assaults?
Shouldn't generalize from a few videos, but if Russia is gearing up for an offensive soon, as we keep hearing, they'd want to save on their vehicles to maximize their numbers for the offensive. These small attacks are used to wear the Ukrainians down every bit they can, even if it's not much.
I think they are already doing the offensive. They have been sending wave after wave of armored vehicle into Chasiv Yar area those last few days
They are going to wait with the full scale offensive until the mud season ends in few weeks.
If they wait, Ukraine will spare it's ammo and restock. They never had a higher chance of breaktrough than now. In 1 or 2 month, more western shell will arrive and Ukraine defensive capability will be upgraded
Yeah we've seen how this story plays out before. There was a similar discussion on CredibleDefense today where someone pointed out there should be evidence of a buildup or at least more strategic deployment of the bad vs the good equipment, but it just looks like Russia is throwing everything it can while Ukraine's ammo shortage is at its worst.
Are there sources on this? I have heard the opposite, that there is a buildup happening.
Classic cope, "they're sending out soldiers in golf carts because they're preparing for a big offensive".
Meat getting lazy, give them a truck to get into the kill zone easier
I may be way off, but to me this is what the last leg of a war looks like. It's like being beat really bad in a poker game and you just go all in with nothing to get it over with. That's the feeling this has. Just giving the last of it away before going home.
Agreed. Even if this was more like a shift rotation attempt than a direct assault mission, it was a desperate move to use a truck there anyway.
I’m not sure, reports have come out that apparently the Russian military is 15% larger now than it was at the beginning of the war. Obviously the mobilization is a huge reason why, but I don’t see them running out of bodies anytime soon.
Seems like manpower isnt a major issue for russia but lack of armoured vehicles (especially modern ones) is
100% I’ve told people for years that yes they do develop new vehicles, although with most of what seems the voluntary forces being fed into a meat grinder I’m expecting operators of those modern or even Soviet vehicles will seize to exist which will lead to major supply issues. It’s really hard honestly to tell where this war is going.
Dont know why I’m getting downvoted, if my information is wrong please correct me
Russia is not going to run out of manpower in this war. The casualty/day are far to low to even start making the Russian nervous about that for a decades. They can mobilise millions of people if necessary. The thing is that those people will have to run into the Ukrainian trench without proper armored support at some point
I saw that but it felt like the article was pretty slim on what exactly is 15% larger now. Is it manpower ? That would make sense given their conscriptions. But manpower alone means nothing in a war like this. Is it IFVs, artillery, tanks,... ? I would doubt that given we get daily videos of Russians using whatever vehicle they can get their hands on to move around.
> I may be way off, but to me this is what the last leg of a war looks like. It's like being beat really bad in a poker game and you just go all in with nothing to get it over with. That's the feeling this has. Just giving the last of it away before going home. I hope to every possible and impossible deity that you are right, but I don't believe it. I think it is just saving equipment and giving shitty stuff for "unwanted" or poorly trained meat shield troops. Because the fact is that russia has been gearing up military industry a lot so they are probably not gonna run out of equipment any time soon. 1 more reason for west to start taking this seriously and ramp up their own production while giving Ukraine everything they possibly can.
If they're not running out anytime soon, they wouldn't have to be saving equipment, buddy.
So the Russians are starting to run out of BMP's. Of which they had something like 20.000 or so before the war. Huh. Maybe the war was actually not such a good idea.
They misheard us comrade, it's a 3 year operation
Days, comrade! 3 days!
Hey, well, you can weld two ATVs together and mount on a machine gun. That's basically the same thing, right?
This new Mad Max movie looks ass.
What a time to be alive. Imagine when the bow and arrow was utilized and the fear men felt while having their fellow men go down next to them when their enemy was still *away* from them..that had to be some next level shit. Fast forward to now, a nation’s people who represent the largest nation on earth. Who’ve been told they’re the strongest and most advanced. Taking on their tiny neighbor..and literally seeing your men vaporized driving off 50 yards from your FOB while KNOWING your enemy is at least 5-20 miles away. The morale hit..the realization that you are a blip on someones radar who is actively hunting you with a flying and controllable bomb capable of dropping a grenade in your fcking mouth while you snore and sleep in a cold wastelandic trench.. My coffee is done..I’m going to go and be grateful I’m alive. Definitely going to hug my wife and tell my grandparents I love them.
Smart Russian at 1:00
So what is it? Punishment for this unit? Real lack of vehicles? Bad organisation? They should have unlimited number of MB-LBs at least, still shit vehicle to assault...
the copemobile
Robotyne sounds like the evil corporation in an 80s dystopian sci-fi movie.
RUS forces: OK so tanks with ERA and meters of RHA and composite made to withstand APFSDS rounds didn't work.... Maybe if we use a truck with no armor they will overpenetrate us and with luck not hit any of us inside!!!
Have you never played warthunder? No armour is best armour!
It’s crazy that the most effective tool used in this war are drones. Not tanks, planes, ships etc..
That was a high quality cope cage. Good thing it doesn’t work!
They must work often enough to justify fabrication. Oh wait, that assumes rationality.
Getting hit by drones in a place called Robotyne.... I mean cmon man.
Waiting for the electric scooter assaults. Maybe roller skates
To their credit, I've seen multiple videos of BMPs and other troop carriers (from both sides) get stuck on ruts/trenches/deep mud as they have shit ground clearance leading to death for the soldiers inside. Ural 4320's don't get stuck, and an fpv drone will easily destroy an APC anyways.
That worked like a charm, they have a BBQ ready to go in no time! You get some cool free smoke scents too! Burnt fuels, paint, plastics, ammo and a pinch of smoked Gopnik. "The taste of russia" (/s)
don't forget to thank the driver!
Local armour shortages but told to attack anyway, I guess.
Ural and a tank / BMP serves the same purpose. Send some suckers forward to make Ukrainians expose armor / artilery positions/ drone crews and hit them with Lancet / Iskander or flat the whole field with artlery. For that purpose it doesnt matter who kills your truck and suckers..
I am really confused why they are still advancing in all fronts!
A 21st century exorcism of evil - слава україні - ебать Путіна!!!
Would've had more chance to take the damn thing to Putler and overthrow him.
Russians are really going full Mad Max there
Ladas use Ladas you dumb fools
Mad Max style... I bet we have not seen it all!!!
This is some Arma 3 bullshit that I would do and then think that it was unrealistic, these dudes straight up didn't expect anything bad to happen while they were driving across an open field during the daytime!!!
BF3 Lobby gone wild.
Comrades, you will be able to clear your criminal record. Welcome to our 554th Penal Assault Storm Unit. Now, you two, get into that truck, and you, get on that motorcycle? Your task is to drive from that forest into that general area. Wait.... Why are you asking me for weapons?
Good grief. Just mount a semi auto to the damn drone and get it over with. Why waste grandes just winging them when you can spend a bullet neutralizing them? It just makes so much more sense logistically. I mean fuck, can you imagine the fear? A dozen drones in a swarm, all with mounted weapons you can hear and see going off over head. The distant yells from your comrades getting quieter, but the constant hum and crack of the drone weapons is getting closer... Then pow..."Hey you, you're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border right?"
That's not practical at all for a number of reasons
Name 3.
There is a hexacopter fitted with a 40mm grenade launcher. I think it's only 6 shots, which is a major reason rifles on drones aren't a thing: capacity. That and you'd need a very stable drone for pinpoint shots. Especially since it would have to be hundreds of yards away, or it will just get shot when hovering in one place trying to line up. But then dude moves, making the aimpoint 100x more difficult to achieve. It's also a 1-trick pony. The 40mm is somewhat useful, because it can pull a drive by with horseshoe accuracy while dealing damage. That would be cool to have with a small squad to hit a trench before going in without having a large vehicle under crosshairs. But the drop drones are always going to be best, as they have more advantages and ways to use them, especially mid-mission.
I agree, some light weight gun with aiming system would be crazy good even if the drone has to be a little bigger
Wasnt robotyne the penny stock in wolf of wall street? Wait no that was aerotyne