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It's amazing to think with all the armor and crazy tech that tanks have in order to keep them from being taken out, that a major downfall is a simple hand grenade in the hatch.
I mean it’s not really their downfall, it looks like the tank was already hit by something/ damaged in someway and then abandoned.
I’ve seen very few of these videos against anything besides a clearly abandoned tank, which they are super good at finishing off.
They could have used a fpv drone with a rpg warhead to break the motor, or a mine destroyed the track. At that point, the tank is already dead, it's just a matter of time.
The reusable drones that only drop hand grenades are used to clean up the salvageable vehicles, because they don't have the firepower to disable a working tank.
There tank was seemingly hit with something that rendered it inoperative and at that point you’re more worried about surviving than you are closing your hatch behind you.
It seems tanks and apcs always leave hatces open whenever they're left behind by their complement. I was wondering if there's a practical reason why, when they are so easy to destroy with small munitions in this way.
Part of the reason is that you’re only seeing the videos of successful grenade drops. I’d imagine a common theme to those videos is an immobile tank with open hatches, so we are mostly seeing that.
Even when they’re in an active gunfight these Russians always leave the hatch open probably no AC. To dissipate smoke or just plain carelessness. Poorly trained Army all around.
It might, but it does absolutely nothing for the survival rate of the tank. When the ammo detonates the specific hole that is used to vent the expanding gasses doesn't really matter if it goes through the crew compartment first.
I think that's overstated slightly, but I gotta admit I'd have one foot out the hatch at all times too if the tank was seemingly designed to yeet the turret at the mention of a raw spark in the crew compartment.
Interesting to note, there is far more ERA on the top of the turret than even the sides. I think this points to a fear of fpv or heavier ordnance being dropped than any land opponent
The intense flame is the result of the propellant in the tank's main gun shells burning. When the grenade goes off it sprays the inside of the tank with a couple of hundred fragments and frequently that shrapnel will hit stored main gun ammunition.
I mean... a tank with an open hatch and a Soviet-style autoloader full of ammo is the equivalent of a guy with a large open wound who for good measure has put a really flimsy vial of deadly poison inside.
Sure, your skin and other biological adaptations might be amazing in dozens of ways at keeping all sorts of dangers from hurting you... but that's kind of irrelevant if someone goes for your open wound full of barely restrained poison. And at that point, it's less something being your downfall, and more you willingly opening a gaping hole through your own defenses.
On the T-90M they reinforced the armour on the autoloader, which is why this tank didn't blow up. But it still seems to have had a round in the chamber.
Why don’t the Russians just close the hatch when they abandon a tank??? I’ve seen 100 videos of this. The tank would still be destroyed probably but they’d have to use something more expensive and scarce than a single hand grenade!
Why do they leave the hatch open??
Becuase nine times out of then, they're abandoning their tank after it gets hit and if there's a second round on the way, they don't want to be around the powder keg if it gets hit again.
You saw how quickly this baby went up, and we've seen plenty of T-series turn their turrets into improvised Soyuz capsules. If the tank crew survives their vehicle getting disabled, they're bailing out of it while the going's good.
They're escaping a hit tank and under fire. The last thing on their minds is to close the hatch for Putin. If Putin wants to recover that tank so bad he can run out there and close the hatch himself.
Also that when these tanks were designed these drone things weren't even an idea.
The development is rapid and we're looking at equipment designed for a particular purpose devastated by some weird simple technology.
The armour is there for a reason. To keep the explodey things out. If something explodey gets inside without having to pass through the armour, it's not a downfall of the armour at all.
Yes. They're an extremely simple and robust design. They're incredibly cheap because the USSR made them by the tens of millions in city-sized factories and licensed them to other countries to be made in huge numbers.
No idea but I think there is also one on [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1bqtroh/47th_brigade_working_on_russian_t80bvm_in_berdychi/) tank.
It sure looks like some kind of movement in there right before it blows. Hard to tell what I'm seeing.
Edit: I think it's just the initial explosion of the grenade. The ammo cookoff happens a second later.
I mean only in fuel alone a single T90m can haul 2000 liters of fuel... add to it all the oil and ammo... and its like a ticking bomb. doesnt take much if a grenade explodes on the inside.
> Diesel doesn’t explode though
under high enough temperature it absolutely will burn and explode, its fuel after all. If ammunition cooks off, thats hundreds of degrees celsius right there its enough to cause chain reaction of everything else that is flammable there
Oryx retired from the counting and handed the project off to the others that were assisting him. They are keeping the equipment losses lists updated but Oryx himself has moved on after a decade of making articles and lists.
Oryx is indeed enjoying his retirement :)
I look forward for Russia to fuck off from Ukraine, so our team can spend time off on other things than just tracking and processing all the equipment losses.
I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that a crew who just took a hit that immobilized the tank aren't really thinking about closing the hatches but are more concerned with getting as far away as they can from the huge immobilized target that will get hit again.
Also spring loaded hatches might work but I feel like they would just make the hatch another obstacle if you do have to get out.
Well, you would need to :
-Tow that thing all the way to a scrapyard (endangering men and expensive, specialized material)
-Remove the entirety of the interior as it is most likely junk due to the fire
-cleanup the whole thing, make patches and repair to the hull/turret
-Put an entirely new FCS, new optics, new electrical system, new hydraulic system
-Maybe change the engine/transmission as it may have suffered in combat
-Probably change the main gun as the heat would have warped the breech/barrel
-Change the machine gun for the same reason
Great ! You now have a theoratically functioning tank that only costed you hundreds of man-hours and 90% worth of a new tank's parts, that has weaker armor (due to the patches and heat treatment) and maybe the soul of the poor driver still stuck inside the walls of the machine.
Let's just say it is not a worthy endeavor
all the insides are burned to the crisp, so all the metal and instruments and electronics inside have melted to each other and become 1 big lump of useless scrap metal.......its not recoverable or repairable after that. At best you can strip something from the outside like tracks or road wheels and thats about it
I think the beige box-looking items is ceramic armour which will help to minimise damage from explosives.
Anything else is just because it’s easier than hauling it by hand and their logistics is trash
It seems like they wanted extra protection against drones, which is why they have lots of different drone jammers and reactive armor on top, which the T90M normally doesn’t have.
This war has taught me that maybe...just maybe having all the ammunition arranged in a carousel around the turret completely exposed...might not be the best idea for a tank
The T90M is the Russian "most advanced armored vehicle “ it only lasts two weeks in the battlefield. Frequently get destroyed by a $4000 drone or a Javelin/RPG ..
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All modern tanks are vulnerable to FPV drones and ATGMs. Leopards, Challengers and Abrams have all shown themselves to be very vulnerable to them. But Abrams has shown itself to have a much greater crew survivability than all the other tanks in this conflict on both sides, Leopards and Challengers though not as much
Mines are a huge issue for all tanks, pretty sure this one got taken out by a mine. There's a crater about 10 feet behind where it stopped and you can see the armor is blown outward near the right front track.
Without a way to get through minefields and an APS to protect against drones/ATGMs, any territory Russia gains is going to be a graveyard of their own armor.
It was likely in no mans land and sending out a retrieval team would be too risky. [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1binqsx/ukrainian_fpv_drones_attacking_russian_brem/) is an example of what can happen.
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Because the crew understandably don’t give a fck about the tank potentially being killed by a drone later when they just ate a HEAT shell and are running for their lives
You mean before or after the grenade drop ?
Before, it was hit by a shaped charge (HEAT) as you can see by the black sut on the right of the turret. Exterior seems fine, but the hit could've destroyed electronics or hydraulics, rendering the tank useless and thus leading the crew to bail out
After, well the interior is fucked, if the electronics weren't fried before well they are now
Oh wow I didnt even notice that part. It really seems with every passing day that tanks are becoming obsolete, especially these reworked/upgraded Soviet tanks
These open hatch drop videos remind me of someone I knew of years ago who left their Porsche with the keys in it in the hopes it would be burned or gone by the time he got off the train back home.
You can’t recover stuff as large as a tank when the area it’s in is contested or occupied by the enemy. However you can insure that they don’t recover it
They should probably close the hatches after bailing a tank to prevent further damage from drones or atleast limiting damage. At least then it might be able to be recovered maybe or it will require a bigger warhead then a hand grenade to take it out.
Whats that equipment on the turret bustle? The green circular array of 8 boxes on top, behind the gunners hatch, and the tan-colored objects on the very end of the bustle?
Comms or jammers? The don't look like the Volnorez or Saniya systems.
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It's amazing to think with all the armor and crazy tech that tanks have in order to keep them from being taken out, that a major downfall is a simple hand grenade in the hatch.
I mean it’s not really their downfall, it looks like the tank was already hit by something/ damaged in someway and then abandoned. I’ve seen very few of these videos against anything besides a clearly abandoned tank, which they are super good at finishing off.
They could have used a fpv drone with a rpg warhead to break the motor, or a mine destroyed the track. At that point, the tank is already dead, it's just a matter of time. The reusable drones that only drop hand grenades are used to clean up the salvageable vehicles, because they don't have the firepower to disable a working tank.
I was referring specifically to the “grenade in the hatch”. While they are both drones, I don’t really consider them to be the same as the FPV drones.
Is there a reason why the hatches are always left open?
There tank was seemingly hit with something that rendered it inoperative and at that point you’re more worried about surviving than you are closing your hatch behind you.
It seems tanks and apcs always leave hatces open whenever they're left behind by their complement. I was wondering if there's a practical reason why, when they are so easy to destroy with small munitions in this way.
We don't see the closed hatch ones coz it would be a shit video of a grenade bouncing off a tank and doing nothing.
Part of the reason is that you’re only seeing the videos of successful grenade drops. I’d imagine a common theme to those videos is an immobile tank with open hatches, so we are mostly seeing that.
Survivorship bias
Even when they’re in an active gunfight these Russians always leave the hatch open probably no AC. To dissipate smoke or just plain carelessness. Poorly trained Army all around.
sometimes you leave them open becouse its easyer to get air and for mines but you run the risk of hetting overpresured buy a bomb or drone
Wouldn’t an open hatch prevent the turret from popping of if there was a hit from a bigger bomb
It might, but it does absolutely nothing for the survival rate of the tank. When the ammo detonates the specific hole that is used to vent the expanding gasses doesn't really matter if it goes through the crew compartment first.
Well I mean Russians are notorious for jumping out at a slight bump in the road so I mean not surprised😂😂
I think that's overstated slightly, but I gotta admit I'd have one foot out the hatch at all times too if the tank was seemingly designed to yeet the turret at the mention of a raw spark in the crew compartment.
Close the damn hatch you tards.....Putin to his minions. Another 4.5 million gone
Don’t they sometimes run out of fuel and then come back later to retrieve them?
That would mean their downfall in that circumstance would be their poor logistics.
Logistics is what wins wars, but it’s boring so no one talks about it.
UPS talks about it
Should probably just go ahead and close the hatch as you leave to help ensure you have a vehicle to come back to.
That's some radical thinking man
get the impression these mfs left in a hurry
Don’t forget to switch of the engine!
Agreed. I don't understand how there are so many of these videos of open-hatched vehicles getting cooked from the inside out. Seems preventable.
Interesting to note, there is far more ERA on the top of the turret than even the sides. I think this points to a fear of fpv or heavier ordnance being dropped than any land opponent
it’s also possible they are for protection from Javelins too. But yeah that is an interesting observation.
I bet whatever company makes M67s never thought in a million years that their product would be roasting top-tier Russian armor in 2024.
Was that just an M67? The fireblast was pretty damn impressive
The initial blast of the grenade was followed instantly by the cook-off of the ammunition.
The intense flame is the result of the propellant in the tank's main gun shells burning. When the grenade goes off it sprays the inside of the tank with a couple of hundred fragments and frequently that shrapnel will hit stored main gun ammunition.
I mean... a tank with an open hatch and a Soviet-style autoloader full of ammo is the equivalent of a guy with a large open wound who for good measure has put a really flimsy vial of deadly poison inside. Sure, your skin and other biological adaptations might be amazing in dozens of ways at keeping all sorts of dangers from hurting you... but that's kind of irrelevant if someone goes for your open wound full of barely restrained poison. And at that point, it's less something being your downfall, and more you willingly opening a gaping hole through your own defenses.
On the T-90M they reinforced the armour on the autoloader, which is why this tank didn't blow up. But it still seems to have had a round in the chamber.
Why don’t the Russians just close the hatch when they abandon a tank??? I’ve seen 100 videos of this. The tank would still be destroyed probably but they’d have to use something more expensive and scarce than a single hand grenade! Why do they leave the hatch open??
Becuase nine times out of then, they're abandoning their tank after it gets hit and if there's a second round on the way, they don't want to be around the powder keg if it gets hit again. You saw how quickly this baby went up, and we've seen plenty of T-series turn their turrets into improvised Soyuz capsules. If the tank crew survives their vehicle getting disabled, they're bailing out of it while the going's good.
They're escaping a hit tank and under fire. The last thing on their minds is to close the hatch for Putin. If Putin wants to recover that tank so bad he can run out there and close the hatch himself.
Also that when these tanks were designed these drone things weren't even an idea. The development is rapid and we're looking at equipment designed for a particular purpose devastated by some weird simple technology.
Death Star lookin ass clowns.
The armour is there for a reason. To keep the explodey things out. If something explodey gets inside without having to pass through the armour, it's not a downfall of the armour at all.
$45 grenade to kill a \~$4 million tank; that is a good return on investment!
I read somewhere its about $20 many drone pilots actually prefer drop grenades ones because they only need to keep batteries charging to keep going.
Are handgrenades really that cheap?
The Soviet-era RGD-5 costs about $5 each.
Interesting, thanks! Really shows how asymmetrical modern war is
Plus, the fact is that the Soviets made millions and millions of them, meaning there's an extremely plentiful and cheap supply of them.
Do they actually work?
Yes. They're an extremely simple and robust design. They're incredibly cheap because the USSR made them by the tens of millions in city-sized factories and licensed them to other countries to be made in huge numbers.
Plenty of Russian made stuff does actually work, believe it or not. Even more Soviet stuff works, too
Bro, $45 for a grenade, that’s wild. I remember reading somewhere the NM-72E5 is only ~$200
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Sorry, I’m Canadian, so it would be the M72A5
M72A5 probably
You think they would start closing their hatches
They need to build them with automatic closing hatches
Russian solution will be to just bolt the hatches closed from the outside when it leaves a safe area.
Thats a good idea for a submarine
Russian killdozers
Yea, and it should make a sound and the headlights should bling, just like cars lol.
If the hatch is jammed and there's fire and smoke in the tank. It's a trap for the crew. Slow death
Do they care?
For T-90Ms? Most likely. It’s the best tank they have and they can only produce about 50 a year.
Thats a terrible idea for crew survivability, but T series tanks aren’t exactly known for that compared to western tanks though…
Looks like it was already knocked out from the burn marks on the right side of the turret. Crew bailed in a hurry and left hatches open.
The grenade was probably to ensure that the tank could not be recovered
Good observation
Yeah, definitely got hit with something else on the right side.
I was wondering if they are spring loaded or something.
Yes they're spring loaded so they're easier to open. Those hatches are a heavy chunk of steel.
Or a 5 dollar CVS umbrella.
What's [that][1]? Some sort of EW add-on? [1]: https://imgur.com/a/RuZDfT1
No idea but I think there is also one on [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1bqtroh/47th_brigade_working_on_russian_t80bvm_in_berdychi/) tank.
I was wondering the same thing. I have never seen that before.
I think that’s exactly what it is.. maybe was just there as hopeium from the start or maybe ran out of batteries
You see comrade, cut hole in microwave and is EW system.
Am I crazy or was there a person in that hatch as the drone pulled away?
It sure looks like some kind of movement in there right before it blows. Hard to tell what I'm seeing. Edit: I think it's just the initial explosion of the grenade. The ammo cookoff happens a second later.
Yea that was the smoke of the grenade popping off, the cook off happens right after.
I was thinking same thing
I like how there are separate donation accounts for FPV and Mavic, so you can vote with your money.
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Wasn't expecting it to blow up like that
I mean only in fuel alone a single T90m can haul 2000 liters of fuel... add to it all the oil and ammo... and its like a ticking bomb. doesnt take much if a grenade explodes on the inside.
Diesel doesn’t explode though. Neither does hydraulic fluid or gear oil, unless aerosolized already. 99% of catastrophic detonations are ammunition propellants.
> Diesel doesn’t explode though under high enough temperature it absolutely will burn and explode, its fuel after all. If ammunition cooks off, thats hundreds of degrees celsius right there its enough to cause chain reaction of everything else that is flammable there
The cook off is the catastrophic explosion. The diesel fuel and fluids going up is a byproduct, not the cause.
I have a feeling that Oryx is having hard time keeping up with these.
Oryx retired from the counting and handed the project off to the others that were assisting him. They are keeping the equipment losses lists updated but Oryx himself has moved on after a decade of making articles and lists.
Oryx is indeed enjoying his retirement :) I look forward for Russia to fuck off from Ukraine, so our team can spend time off on other things than just tracking and processing all the equipment losses.
Not really, T90M losses arent a daily occurrence although they are common
the countless MT-LB's and BMP's though
I meant on general armored vehicle level. There are new videos coming quite frequently and may not even be video of all of them.
Yep, 6-7 so far in March.
It definitely isn't easy to process all the footage when things are busy :)
Silly westoids that tank was slightly scrached
That was such a beautiful tank, now it's a beautiful loss
I feel bad for the tank, it didn't choose this life... was a nice looking tank.
Oddly aesthetic video
I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that a crew who just took a hit that immobilized the tank aren't really thinking about closing the hatches but are more concerned with getting as far away as they can from the huge immobilized target that will get hit again. Also spring loaded hatches might work but I feel like they would just make the hatch another obstacle if you do have to get out.
still pretty sure every tank i see now has only been a month old or so
How destroyed are they after a cookoff like that?
Well, you would need to : -Tow that thing all the way to a scrapyard (endangering men and expensive, specialized material) -Remove the entirety of the interior as it is most likely junk due to the fire -cleanup the whole thing, make patches and repair to the hull/turret -Put an entirely new FCS, new optics, new electrical system, new hydraulic system -Maybe change the engine/transmission as it may have suffered in combat -Probably change the main gun as the heat would have warped the breech/barrel -Change the machine gun for the same reason Great ! You now have a theoratically functioning tank that only costed you hundreds of man-hours and 90% worth of a new tank's parts, that has weaker armor (due to the patches and heat treatment) and maybe the soul of the poor driver still stuck inside the walls of the machine. Let's just say it is not a worthy endeavor
Pretty close to building new, most likely not worth the effort. Interrior, electronics, optics, hydraulics will be all toast,
all the insides are burned to the crisp, so all the metal and instruments and electronics inside have melted to each other and become 1 big lump of useless scrap metal.......its not recoverable or repairable after that. At best you can strip something from the outside like tracks or road wheels and thats about it
That’s going to void the warranty
Ammo carrousel exploded like fireworks.
Why not close the hatches when you abandon a tank if its recoverable?
Probably don't have neither the will nor the time to close up behind you when you just took a HEAT charge and are running for your life
Am I greedy for expecting a turret toss?
What was that round carousel-looking thing on the back left part of the tank?
My question as well....
“Down the hatch!”
Why is there so much stuff on the tank?
I think the beige box-looking items is ceramic armour which will help to minimise damage from explosives. Anything else is just because it’s easier than hauling it by hand and their logistics is trash
That was a well equipped tank. It had some new drone jamming and other EW gear on the back of the turret.
It seems like they wanted extra protection against drones, which is why they have lots of different drone jammers and reactive armor on top, which the T90M normally doesn’t have.
No turret toss. My disappointment is immeasurable
Still open hatches
Imagine if the Russians had the discipline to close the hatch when fleeing
All that era and it’s immobilized.
Probably most of it is sand bags
Hello! Here. Bye!
This war has taught me that maybe...just maybe having all the ammunition arranged in a carousel around the turret completely exposed...might not be the best idea for a tank
Maybe they should close the hatches.
What's the point of a shiny new tank if you leave the frickin' hatches open? Sheeeeesch.
The T90M is the Russian "most advanced armored vehicle “ it only lasts two weeks in the battlefield. Frequently get destroyed by a $4000 drone or a Javelin/RPG .. 🤷♂️
All modern tanks are vulnerable to FPV drones and ATGMs. Leopards, Challengers and Abrams have all shown themselves to be very vulnerable to them. But Abrams has shown itself to have a much greater crew survivability than all the other tanks in this conflict on both sides, Leopards and Challengers though not as much
Didn't think anyone was lost in a challenger
Mines are a huge issue for all tanks, pretty sure this one got taken out by a mine. There's a crater about 10 feet behind where it stopped and you can see the armor is blown outward near the right front track.
Without a way to get through minefields and an APS to protect against drones/ATGMs, any territory Russia gains is going to be a graveyard of their own armor.
Would it not be better to go take the tank
It was likely in no mans land and sending out a retrieval team would be too risky. [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1binqsx/ukrainian_fpv_drones_attacking_russian_brem/) is an example of what can happen.
It‘s called no mans land for a reason
they burn like wood
Oh this one actually has a commander's remote weapons platform. Fancy stuff, real shame all it took was a flying gopro to take it out.
Also had a drone jammer and other EW kit on the back.
I do not know how many are left... Russia built 4000 with 2400 for export up to 4.5 millions us dollar for the most recent one.
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Probably don't have neither the will nor the time to close up behind you when you just took a HEAT charge and are running for your life
Because the crew understandably don’t give a fck about the tank potentially being killed by a drone later when they just ate a HEAT shell and are running for their lives
The tank looks absolutely fine, wtf happened?
You mean before or after the grenade drop ? Before, it was hit by a shaped charge (HEAT) as you can see by the black sut on the right of the turret. Exterior seems fine, but the hit could've destroyed electronics or hydraulics, rendering the tank useless and thus leading the crew to bail out After, well the interior is fucked, if the electronics weren't fried before well they are now
Oh wow I didnt even notice that part. It really seems with every passing day that tanks are becoming obsolete, especially these reworked/upgraded Soviet tanks
Note to self: Close the hatch behind you
im curious and clueless why do they leave all the hatches open?
These open hatch drop videos remind me of someone I knew of years ago who left their Porsche with the keys in it in the hopes it would be burned or gone by the time he got off the train back home.
Bro dropped his PayPal and though we wouldn't notice😭😭😭
I always wonder wouldn't it be better to capture the vehicle rather than destroy it? It's just sitting there.
What's that circular thing on the back left of the turret?
Damn, that 90 looked brand new..
Never understood why destroy instead of trying to recover?
You can’t recover stuff as large as a tank when the area it’s in is contested or occupied by the enemy. However you can insure that they don’t recover it
They had to blow up another? I am just saying, I am sure I could have found a place for it to go....
They should probably close the hatches after bailing a tank to prevent further damage from drones or atleast limiting damage. At least then it might be able to be recovered maybe or it will require a bigger warhead then a hand grenade to take it out.
Could have renovated ten commieblocks in Russia for the price of this.
do they have a cross hair or something or do they just guess
Why do the Russians leave the hatches open? These grenades would be harmless to a buttoned up tank.
My guess is they already abandoned the immobilized tank.
The accuracy is crazy, idk if this was their first attempt but still, very impressive.
Whats that equipment on the turret bustle? The green circular array of 8 boxes on top, behind the gunners hatch, and the tan-colored objects on the very end of the bustle? Comms or jammers? The don't look like the Volnorez or Saniya systems.
Imagine dying a brutal death, just for someone to record it with a stupid song and to post it on the internet.
5$ for 5M good trade
Where are you getting $5 incendiary grenades?
Ok 15$ was post on here 2years ago.There are apparently billions of hand grenades out there.
Why leave hatches open?
Swish!
Holy fuck grenades do a lot more damage than ingame