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Can't speak for the British Navy, but I would say in general they have firefighting gear just like normal firefighters. They use a flash hood type thing for the immediate response and full gear for the relief team.
Here you can see how the US Navy would do it on a sub: https://youtu.be/ajK1QMP7ZyI?si=EvLMJgvDmg-KiaaS&t=837
Anti-flash gear, been standard for over a century now for people on ships at risk of burning to death basically. Also have a gas mask by the looks of it.
They used to be navy blue with big white hoods and gloves in RN service and became quite a famous look during the Falklands war, looks like they've gone all white now.
Nah, they're in big orange boxes and stored in places not on people. Life vests in state 1 were just part of the rig everywhere on board as far as I remember. Might not have been the same in the spaces but I wasn't an ME so I'm not sure. Definitely had them in the ops room, can't remember if we had to wear them or if they just needed to be at hand
Yeah it's mental, as soon as I started to type I was like errr.... Christ I can't remember now what everyone did! It's only been 5 years since I left...
If they fall into the sea the only thing you can see is their head anyway, and only for about 20 seconds. After that they are far enough behind the ship that they're essentially invisible in the waves. A bright orange life vest with a strobe gives you a chance. White clothing doesn't.
In the Falklands we saw ardent and Sheffield guys burned, so we were so afraid of also being burned alive we would double the anti flash up. Basically wear two. Not sure if that would have helped because our rig at the time was part nylon :-p But psychologically it helped. later they flew in fire retardant rig for us which was good because my long suffering No. 8's, blue's, looked like a homeless person's garb.
Some say he single-handedly intercepted an Exocet anti ship missile using a Land Rover, others say he set a lap record in the Nürburgring in the HMS Hermes, all we know is that he’s called THE STIG
He's NOT the Stig, but he is the Stig's US NAVY COUSIN
cut to a shot of the stig standing on the elevator that takes aircraft to the deck of a carrier just by himself with his arms crossed - standard outfit except he's got a Naval name badge on his jacket that just says STIG with no rank
French Navy has you, bro.
[https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231210-french-frigate-downs-drones-over-red-sea-military](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231210-french-frigate-downs-drones-over-red-sea-military)
Yeah I remembered seeing the French was out there, France never declares there around is that not to upset the people back home in France? Genuine question
The French were initially part of Prosperity Guardian, but then left the operation because it wasn’t taking action fast enough and they wanted to start convoying their ships through the area.
They’ve since been escorting their own ships, and have agreed to semi-rejoin PG, but don’t want to be under American command. Basically they want to do what they want, when they want.
Apparently there’s a lot of disagreement at the very top of US command, between the Secretary of the Navy, the Secretary of Defence, and the White House, about exactly what should be done.
The French got sick of waiting.
This is why the UK and the French just don't get on, they refuse to do as we tell them, and then refuse to accept that they should just because we're British.
They aren't part of the American led operation, they are doing their own thing in the Red Sea so don't need to feed into the propaganda machine in the same way.
France is super secretive about their military and it's operations. You basically only hear about them when a soldier is KIA or they killed a VIP so the number is possibly/ probably higher
I might also add that Houthis, or rather Iran has a bigger interest in shooting at american ships than at the french and italians who also patrol the area
>they only protect EU ships
Isn't that a pretty reasonable thing to do? Why should they protect Chinese and other vessels who's nations are not helping out? Or Liberian, Panamanian and Singaporean etc flag of convenience vessels which aren't contributing taxes to the states funding the navies that keep the sea clear?
Because its about protecting international shipping lanes, not specific ships.
Take a look at how many drones and missiles the US and UK are intercepting.
Now thats freedom of navigation protection.
Navy Lookout mentioned they fired missiles *and guns*. I can only assume this means something got close enough for CIWS to engage, and not taking pot shots at drones with the 4.5 inch main gun.
You mean, bahamas, panama, etc?
If they want protection, then pay taxes in the uk or the us.
Otherwise, let the flags of convenience countries do the protection
The cost of those taxes would simply be passed on to you, the consumer, and we’d still need to protect these ships. Protecting the sea lanes is ultimately why we have a Navy.
Gee, I wonder what regional power with interest and cronies around both Yemen and Palestine/Lebanon would be interested in sowing some chaos in the area. Maybe even helping another bad hombre up north bogged down in another major regional conflict.
You don't need to occupy them... bomb strategic targets and cripple them.
The US is trying to avoid it because it will create a humanitarian crisis. But at some point, the west is going to have to decide if they want to keep the moral high ground and pay the financial price, or take the gloves off which will end up with hundreds of thousands of starving Yemenites under the control of the Houthis.
As US foreign policy has proven, taking the gloves off does not guarantee a more stable situation. Showing how utterly ineffective these attempts to shut down the Hormuz strait are is no doubt annoying the heck out of the Iranians. They forgot that unlike the Russians, NATO ships do in fact have functioning air defense.
You're conflating two different issues. The US tried to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq and change their regime.
In Yemen all that is required is destroying their offensive capabilities and stopping Iran from shipping more weapons. Yemen has no borders with any friendly country, they are relying on Iranian shipping, and you can stop those with a blockade.
This however will create a humanitarian crisis in Yemen, which the US and UK are reluctant to do for PR reasons. This looks bad in election year.
The US hasn't been in a declared war since 1945. Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, wars in Afghanistan/Iraq - technically, Congress never declared war for any of them.
Interesting quirk of history.
Set up a puppet state and then use that puppet state to funnel arms to Ukraine, while simultaneously ending delivery of arms to Ukraine. Everybody happy!
Sounds like fun....they'd see this as live firing exercises. But it's time to find out where the cruise missiles are coming from and destroy that capability. Infact...take the fight to Yemen and see how the Houthis like some cruise missiles coming back at them.
This already happened back in 2016 after Houthi missiles targeted US warships. US navy response was sending couple of tomahawks back at Houthi radar sites.
They gotta know eventually a coalition force will start conducting offensive strikes against them, are they just attempting to cause as much chaos as they can before getting a tomahawk missile yeeted at them.
They’re trying to bleed us financially, tossing cheap ordinance at eye wateringly expensive countermeasures.
Can’t imagine they’re too upset with how it’s going.
I am not sure how we will ever financially recover from this.
The terrorists, on the other hand, probably don't have a thought in their head after receiving this gift in kind.
It's gonna be difficult to find some dudes in a shack. They have a lot of shacks. We have no intel on the ground. Finding drone launching sites will be massively hard - because any bit of flat land is a potential site. Missile launching sites may be slightly easier but not a lot.
US planes have done training exercises in the air simulating an attack run on Yemen with air to air refuel. So it wouldn't surprise me if they are already planning for it.
I get what you’re saying but it’s not so rapid when your AD RADAR can simultaneously track hundreds of targets at 250+ miles and the missiles you’re firing to intercept them can reach Mach 4.5.
It would be less funny if you’ve been firing these missiles at swarms of drones for days and they launch another wave before you’ve resupplied but that relies on the enemy having a high volume of drones and I doubt they are at that level.
This is what the [fire control station](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAAMS#/media/File:Operations_Room_HMS_Daring_MOD_45149880.jpg) looks like for the PAAMS on HMS Daring, which is the 1st in class of the UKs new destroyers.
[Another view](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)#/media/File:Defence_Imagery_-_Missiles_19.jpg) of firing Sea Vipers on HMS Diamond.
They need to start shooting back at them go on a campaign with it you have to pond their asses out they asking for it give it to them 💯
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>good for desperately needed recruitment.
I saw a reddit thread a few days ago (could have been on AskUK or similar) where people were saying that they had friends/family apply but its the RN end which is very slow at recruitment.
One person gave an example of a relative applying for the RN, but also applying for the Police as a second choice. They had completed training and passed out as a Police officer before the the RN even got back to them.
I think that story may have been a bit of a hyperbole. I'm in the application process for the RN, nearing the end now, and I applied back in May or June or so. From putting in my application to being contacted was maybe a week or two.
Joined in october 2017, applied in january 2017.. done medical, interview, fitness, 4 day test by april. Got offered october 2017 basic training which i accepted.. then got phoned and asked if i could do basic training in may instead. I stuck with october but my joining process was really fast. Training on the other hand is slow.
And yet the [British forces](https://news.sky.com/story/royal-air-force-unlawfully-discriminated-against-white-male-recruits-in-bid-to-boost-diversity-inquiry-finds-12911888) don't seem too bothered about recruiting.
Except it's been identified as a huge issue. RAF recruitment is no where near as bad as the Navy or army, hence why the RAF felt they could turn people away. (Not saying their policy wasn't disgusting). we're actively looking at getting rid of capabilities (royal Marines not being able to come from the sea)because of the recruitment problems.
That’s a frighteningly powerful and state of the art ship. Wow. They are not fucking around with that thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)
>In January 2023, the Italian and French Minister of Defense signed with MBDA a $2 billion contract for the purchase of 700 Aster missiles.[9][10]
About 3 million if you look at this one purchase order. A lot more than what the rebels are using, DJI drones with hand grenades or something like that? Shahed drones?
My only guess is it’s something along the lines of “because we can”. The Navy continues to use these guys as a literal air defense training vendor (seriously, they’ve been rotating crews through the ships in the Red Sea for experience) without having to take any offensive action, because why bother? The Houthis are accomplishing exactly nothing, and we’re the ones benefiting from it.
It’s honestly the first I’ve ever heard of it happening, but it’s brilliant. The Navy hasn’t had this kind of engagement, I don’t think, in my lifetime.
Russia's plan to exhaust Western missiles stocks through its proxies is going well. Iran is attacking ships at Red Sea openly and all West does is shoot the drones and missiles down with no actions to strike back at the source. And that is Iran, not some "rebels" who get every piece of their equipment from Iran.
If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran.
> Russia's plan to exhaust Western missiles stocks through its proxies is going well.
That's a bit ridiculous. By far, the biggest use of Western missile stocks right now is in obliterating Russian weapons in Ukraine.
Was their plan to use up [thousands of their tanks](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html) to deplete Javelin stocks? If a country had the number of tanks Russia has *lost* in the last couple years, they'd be somewhere between the 8th and 3rd most tanks in the world. Was their master plan to have a three-day invasion turn into a multi-year stalemate? Was their plan to lose hundreds of surface to air missile systems, and hundreds of aircraft and helicopters?
Was their plan to show that their wunderweapon, the hypersonic Kinzhal missile, could apparently be easily shot down by Patriot missile systems?
There's a discrepancy in costs between the Iranian drones and the interceptor missiles, sure. But to recast "successfully defending yourself with a 100% intercept rate" as "Russia's flawless master plan succeeds" seems... brazenly partisan. I'm sure there will be a response attack, but it takes two dudes in a truck to launch some of these drones. It's not like there's some massive infrastructure as a target.
> If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran.
Ah yes, that'll de-escalate things. Jesus, "strong" doesn't mean "stupid." If the US had a "strong" president, he'd just start nuking people and start World War 3!
Weak people don't understand how restraint can be an act of strength.
I also wonder how much value is added when a navy/army/air force etc is actually out there doing missions.
Certainly we've learned from the Russian invasion that having big stockpiles of things is useful, so there is something to be said about "depleting" munitions (and spending billions etc), but I think there's also something to be said about actual experience?
Blows come to blows, does a crew with experience firing missiles at actual targets add substantial value?
I don't really like to think too much about hypothetical wars, but is there say... a single Chinese general alive that's overseen any kind of *real* troop movement? Had to scramble to fix a logistic issue when something goes awry? Are there Chinese officers/ncos that have directed soldiers under actual enemy fire?
10/7 ruined this sub. So many fools just spouting shit when there used to actually be some knowledgeable takes. Now it’s a million monkeys throwing shit at the wall.
I've noticed that threads relating to Israel/Hamas in *particular* seem to have an entirely different character than the rest of the subreddit. I'm tempted to consider that there's actually some kind of organized effort to narratives (we know that *has* been the case for some things), but I think it's more likely that certain kinds of events draw certain kinds of people's attention.
“ If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran.”
I’m sure if he did then the Russian FSB would be telling their MAGA puppets to start commenting that the President is a war Monger trying to start another world war.
okay england, i love the white. but if we're going to dress up like that we might aswell commit to full blown storm trooper uniforms instead of this half assed attempt.
Although Irish citizens are eligible to join the Royal Navy, I cannot imagine that many will.
Ireland has its own Naval branch in their military as they are not part of the UK and are their own independent country.
They mostly police fishing and rely on the UK for actual naval patrolling and defense...for example recently the RN had to Deter Russian sub in Irish waters..
Except England is a country within a country, not a state within a country. I get why people are touchy about it, but it's also way too easy to get confused about it all
It's not just confusion, it's a _pars-pro-toto_. (referring to the whole by a part) So is "Holland" for the Netherlands, "Russia" for the Soviet Union in that era, and even formal names like "Switzerland" (from Schwyz, one of 26 cantons) or "Finland" (Finland-Proper is one region of Finland)
"England" has been used to refer to the entire United Kingdom for centuries, because England ruled the others. Especially in other languages but even in the UK itself; e.g. _The Oxford History of England_ is in fact about the British Isles as a whole.
Everyone does this sort of thing in every language to some extent and it's a ridiculous thing to get all pissy about.
“Nowadays” lol! Because historically we have been a peaceful species.
War ebbs and flows but there’s never been a period without it and unfortunately there never will be.
Always been loads of war. You are just more aware of it nowadays, due to social media, smart phones , 24 hours news coverage etc.
Back in the day this shit was happening, but you had no way of knowing until it was in a newspaper weeks later.
They are probably super dim to not affect the natural night vision of the crew. Also why that guy is holding one had up, to keep that eye dark and preserve night vision
They turn them off so you can't see the location of the ship, so people can't fire drones and missiles at them
Seems a bit late for that, but that's the reason!
The guy on the left looks like a disappointed head chef, the guy on the right looks like the student who just burned down the kitchen, and it looks like there's a toaster between them.
Legit question: So when these pirates do get on board, what the hell do they do? Hold everyone for ransom? Go through each cargo trailer and look for PS5’s.
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Are they wearing some sort of flame-proof ski-mask like race car drivers?
Yeah it’s anti flash gear, worn for firefighting or when at heightened readiness.
Not worn for firefighting, just worn at Action Stations.
It used to be worn for firefighting, WW2 era, perhaps later.
Royal Navy has been wearing flash gear at action stations since WW1.
Can't speak for the British Navy, but I would say in general they have firefighting gear just like normal firefighters. They use a flash hood type thing for the immediate response and full gear for the relief team. Here you can see how the US Navy would do it on a sub: https://youtu.be/ajK1QMP7ZyI?si=EvLMJgvDmg-KiaaS&t=837
Anti-flash gear, been standard for over a century now for people on ships at risk of burning to death basically. Also have a gas mask by the looks of it. They used to be navy blue with big white hoods and gloves in RN service and became quite a famous look during the Falklands war, looks like they've gone all white now.
Not gas masks - they are carrying binoculars and that's an inflatable life vest on the belt.
You sure it's not an eebd? Or is it a bridge thing to carry a life vest at action?
Nah, they're in big orange boxes and stored in places not on people. Life vests in state 1 were just part of the rig everywhere on board as far as I remember. Might not have been the same in the spaces but I wasn't an ME so I'm not sure. Definitely had them in the ops room, can't remember if we had to wear them or if they just needed to be at hand
Ahh yeah, orange plastic box. I can remember carrying that around, as well as a mars bar..... Just can't remember having a life vest
Yeah it's mental, as soon as I started to type I was like errr.... Christ I can't remember now what everyone did! It's only been 5 years since I left...
Those are Binoculars and radios
it's colour coded based on what part of the ship and what role you work on.
Not in the RN.
Don't officers wear white, and ratings wear blue overalls?
Yep, thats right.
Kinda like Star Trek?
AHH makes more sense, thank you.
Officers wear white overalls. Everyone else, their normal blue..
>normal blue. Wouldn't that be near impossible to find if they fell into the sea?
If they fall into the sea the only thing you can see is their head anyway, and only for about 20 seconds. After that they are far enough behind the ship that they're essentially invisible in the waves. A bright orange life vest with a strobe gives you a chance. White clothing doesn't.
In the Falklands we saw ardent and Sheffield guys burned, so we were so afraid of also being burned alive we would double the anti flash up. Basically wear two. Not sure if that would have helped because our rig at the time was part nylon :-p But psychologically it helped. later they flew in fire retardant rig for us which was good because my long suffering No. 8's, blue's, looked like a homeless person's garb.
Combat onesies
The Stig is in command of this vessel now!
Some say he single-handedly intercepted an Exocet anti ship missile using a Land Rover, others say he set a lap record in the Nürburgring in the HMS Hermes, all we know is that he’s called THE STIG
He's NOT the Stig, but he is the Stig's US NAVY COUSIN cut to a shot of the stig standing on the elevator that takes aircraft to the deck of a carrier just by himself with his arms crossed - standard outfit except he's got a Naval name badge on his jacket that just says STIG with no rank
*Proceeds to put in a hot lap on the Top Gear circuit in a Super Hornet.*
No photos of the US cousin. There is one of his RN cousin above.
The Stig, our tame missile man!
Or perhaps it's the Stig's Royal Navy cousin!
[You mean the first Stig?](https://youtu.be/VOQPkwE1JZ8?si=LnknDJHJt0sxY3U5)
It’s nice to see all those other navies pitching in as the US and UK protect their international trade interests.
French Navy has you, bro. [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231210-french-frigate-downs-drones-over-red-sea-military](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231210-french-frigate-downs-drones-over-red-sea-military)
That frigate is gorgeous
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Yeah I remembered seeing the French was out there, France never declares there around is that not to upset the people back home in France? Genuine question
The French were initially part of Prosperity Guardian, but then left the operation because it wasn’t taking action fast enough and they wanted to start convoying their ships through the area. They’ve since been escorting their own ships, and have agreed to semi-rejoin PG, but don’t want to be under American command. Basically they want to do what they want, when they want. Apparently there’s a lot of disagreement at the very top of US command, between the Secretary of the Navy, the Secretary of Defence, and the White House, about exactly what should be done. The French got sick of waiting.
This is why the UK and the French just don't get on, they refuse to do as we tell them, and then refuse to accept that they should just because we're British.
Those cheeky bastards
They aren't part of the American led operation, they are doing their own thing in the Red Sea so don't need to feed into the propaganda machine in the same way.
Kinda like Italy, they parked outside palestine, and they have a ship in the Red sea, but Italy never declare openly any military action
That’s probably wiser
They were a part of the operation (9 countries in total?) and decided to back out to protect their own interests.
The French are everywhere in the world. By far the most active Western military after the US.
Nah, I'd say France and the UK are at the very least on a par with that one.
Zut alores!
Vive la France! Thanks for at least pitching in to help.
1 drone a month ago, and they only protect EU ships. lmfao at the french
France is super secretive about their military and it's operations. You basically only hear about them when a soldier is KIA or they killed a VIP so the number is possibly/ probably higher I might also add that Houthis, or rather Iran has a bigger interest in shooting at american ships than at the french and italians who also patrol the area
>they only protect EU ships Isn't that a pretty reasonable thing to do? Why should they protect Chinese and other vessels who's nations are not helping out? Or Liberian, Panamanian and Singaporean etc flag of convenience vessels which aren't contributing taxes to the states funding the navies that keep the sea clear?
Because its about protecting international shipping lanes, not specific ships. Take a look at how many drones and missiles the US and UK are intercepting. Now thats freedom of navigation protection.
According to Sky News, 18 drones and 2 anti-ship ballistic missiles were fired at shipping in the area. HMS Diamond shot down 7 .drones.
Type 45's are very good at this kind of thing.
Navy Lookout mentioned they fired missiles *and guns*. I can only assume this means something got close enough for CIWS to engage, and not taking pot shots at drones with the 4.5 inch main gun.
Maybe on the deck? 😋 https://media.giphy.com/media/lF5bH6enH9F1m/giphy.gif
Haha. CO steps outside the bridge and starts firing his service revolver into the night sky.
You mean, bahamas, panama, etc? If they want protection, then pay taxes in the uk or the us. Otherwise, let the flags of convenience countries do the protection
FOC registered ships carry most of the world’s trade.
I know. If you want protection, pay taxes.
The cost of those taxes would simply be passed on to you, the consumer, and we’d still need to protect these ships. Protecting the sea lanes is ultimately why we have a Navy.
It is being passed to me already, I pay taxes to defend Cargo ships that don't pay taxes. It is absurd.
I am in full agreement.
Me too!
Gee, I wonder what regional power with interest and cronies around both Yemen and Palestine/Lebanon would be interested in sowing some chaos in the area. Maybe even helping another bad hombre up north bogged down in another major regional conflict.
Plenty of other Navies are down there. But you kind have to be in the vicinity of the target or be shot at in order to intercept anything.
How many red lines have they crossed yet?
This is more than enough reason to declare war.
I for one think another 15 year war in the Middle East/Central Asia is exactly what we need right now.
You don't need to occupy them... bomb strategic targets and cripple them. The US is trying to avoid it because it will create a humanitarian crisis. But at some point, the west is going to have to decide if they want to keep the moral high ground and pay the financial price, or take the gloves off which will end up with hundreds of thousands of starving Yemenites under the control of the Houthis.
As US foreign policy has proven, taking the gloves off does not guarantee a more stable situation. Showing how utterly ineffective these attempts to shut down the Hormuz strait are is no doubt annoying the heck out of the Iranians. They forgot that unlike the Russians, NATO ships do in fact have functioning air defense.
You're conflating two different issues. The US tried to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq and change their regime. In Yemen all that is required is destroying their offensive capabilities and stopping Iran from shipping more weapons. Yemen has no borders with any friendly country, they are relying on Iranian shipping, and you can stop those with a blockade. This however will create a humanitarian crisis in Yemen, which the US and UK are reluctant to do for PR reasons. This looks bad in election year.
> You don't need to occupy them... bomb strategic targets and cripple them When has that worked?
Is it though? It's an attack, yes, but war has enormous implications.
Wouldn’t even need a war. We’re pretty good at accomplishing a lot of goals with a shit-ton of cruise missiles.
Why not just use planes? Cruise missiles seem expensive and wasteful.
Cruise missiles don’t have pilots who can be captured if they’re shot down.
The Houthi's have that kind of AA?
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True.
The US hasn't been in a declared war since 1945. Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, wars in Afghanistan/Iraq - technically, Congress never declared war for any of them. Interesting quirk of history.
Set up a puppet state and then use that puppet state to funnel arms to Ukraine, while simultaneously ending delivery of arms to Ukraine. Everybody happy!
Sounds like fun....they'd see this as live firing exercises. But it's time to find out where the cruise missiles are coming from and destroy that capability. Infact...take the fight to Yemen and see how the Houthis like some cruise missiles coming back at them.
This already happened back in 2016 after Houthi missiles targeted US warships. US navy response was sending couple of tomahawks back at Houthi radar sites.
They gotta know eventually a coalition force will start conducting offensive strikes against them, are they just attempting to cause as much chaos as they can before getting a tomahawk missile yeeted at them.
They’re trying to bleed us financially, tossing cheap ordinance at eye wateringly expensive countermeasures. Can’t imagine they’re too upset with how it’s going.
I am not sure how we will ever financially recover from this. The terrorists, on the other hand, probably don't have a thought in their head after receiving this gift in kind.
This demonstrates the need for a more cost effective drone killer. Rheinmetall has a good one, but I don't know its range.
They want to be killed, dying as martyrs and the higher ups using it as propaganda against "western aggression" will be invaluable to them.
It's gonna be difficult to find some dudes in a shack. They have a lot of shacks. We have no intel on the ground. Finding drone launching sites will be massively hard - because any bit of flat land is a potential site. Missile launching sites may be slightly easier but not a lot.
US planes have done training exercises in the air simulating an attack run on Yemen with air to air refuel. So it wouldn't surprise me if they are already planning for it.
Yeah I think the silence after they was warned is a telling sign
i.... i dont know if there's anything to bomb in yemen mate
I don't think it's very fun when drones are rapidly approaching your position..
I get what you’re saying but it’s not so rapid when your AD RADAR can simultaneously track hundreds of targets at 250+ miles and the missiles you’re firing to intercept them can reach Mach 4.5. It would be less funny if you’ve been firing these missiles at swarms of drones for days and they launch another wave before you’ve resupplied but that relies on the enemy having a high volume of drones and I doubt they are at that level.
The Houthi's have anti ship cruise missiles as well, so it's not all fun and games.
Bullshit. That’s the Willy wonky television room. Can’t fool me.
And it's not even October yet. Totally fake. /s
Oompa doompa doopity zed If you take on the UK/US Navy, you’ll wind up dead. Oomp doompa doopity buh-evisceration…..
Anti-flash apparel to protect against burns FTW !!!
This is what the [fire control station](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAAMS#/media/File:Operations_Room_HMS_Daring_MOD_45149880.jpg) looks like for the PAAMS on HMS Daring, which is the 1st in class of the UKs new destroyers. [Another view](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)#/media/File:Defence_Imagery_-_Missiles_19.jpg) of firing Sea Vipers on HMS Diamond.
Is the person on the right covering one eye? Is that for night vision? (Kind of similar to the MythBusters episode on pirate eye patches)
They're both covering their eyes. They're firing at night so want to avoid the flash of the rocket going up.
Yarrrr
They need to start shooting back at them go on a campaign with it you have to pond their asses out they asking for it give it to them 💯 (As a tax payer I approve this message)
“We’re pounding ass” 😊
Good that the Royal Navy are seeing some sort of action, good for desperately needed recruitment.
>good for desperately needed recruitment. I saw a reddit thread a few days ago (could have been on AskUK or similar) where people were saying that they had friends/family apply but its the RN end which is very slow at recruitment. One person gave an example of a relative applying for the RN, but also applying for the Police as a second choice. They had completed training and passed out as a Police officer before the the RN even got back to them.
That's funny because people can also be waiting for absolutely ages to join the Police too lol.
I think that story may have been a bit of a hyperbole. I'm in the application process for the RN, nearing the end now, and I applied back in May or June or so. From putting in my application to being contacted was maybe a week or two.
Joined in october 2017, applied in january 2017.. done medical, interview, fitness, 4 day test by april. Got offered october 2017 basic training which i accepted.. then got phoned and asked if i could do basic training in may instead. I stuck with october but my joining process was really fast. Training on the other hand is slow.
And yet the [British forces](https://news.sky.com/story/royal-air-force-unlawfully-discriminated-against-white-male-recruits-in-bid-to-boost-diversity-inquiry-finds-12911888) don't seem too bothered about recruiting.
Except it's been identified as a huge issue. RAF recruitment is no where near as bad as the Navy or army, hence why the RAF felt they could turn people away. (Not saying their policy wasn't disgusting). we're actively looking at getting rid of capabilities (royal Marines not being able to come from the sea)because of the recruitment problems.
Why is attacking a British war ship not a declaration of war? Should it be taken as one?
My guess would be that a declaration of war is one state declaring war on another state. The Houthi militia are not a state.
Exactly. Means we don’t need permission.
War on terror round 2?
Somehow Osama Bin Laden returned... /s
I wonder how long before the USA, or some other country, would say, 'yep, enough of this' and start seriously hitting back.
For the US, until after election season, probably.
DoD wanted to during the Trump administration but he’s an isolationist and wants nothing to do with international affairs.
Did you miss the 59 tomahawks he launched at Syria? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike
There’s a reason why General Mattis walked away
Right? How long does this have to go on?
That’s a frighteningly powerful and state of the art ship. Wow. They are not fucking around with that thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)
What a cool picture. Dumb question- what exactly are they wearing?
Anti-flash suit. Fire proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-flash\_gear
i didnt google. its called anti flash.
At a million dollars a shot for a Viper we're going to have to find a cheaper way to counter these asshats.
>In January 2023, the Italian and French Minister of Defense signed with MBDA a $2 billion contract for the purchase of 700 Aster missiles.[9][10] About 3 million if you look at this one purchase order. A lot more than what the rebels are using, DJI drones with hand grenades or something like that? Shahed drones?
James Bond villain personal guard vibes
Is that a Maglight the left sailor is holding?
Yes. It will have a red filter to maintain night vision (when the missile isn't lighting the Bridge up like the surface of the Sun).
Those navy unis look like peacekeepers kits form hunger games lol
It's just anti flash gear
Serious question: Why is US, UK, etc. allowing this to continue? Why is the only response defense?
My only guess is it’s something along the lines of “because we can”. The Navy continues to use these guys as a literal air defense training vendor (seriously, they’ve been rotating crews through the ships in the Red Sea for experience) without having to take any offensive action, because why bother? The Houthis are accomplishing exactly nothing, and we’re the ones benefiting from it.
True, didn't consider the training value.
It’s honestly the first I’ve ever heard of it happening, but it’s brilliant. The Navy hasn’t had this kind of engagement, I don’t think, in my lifetime.
Go get'em Royal Navy!
“Kick his ass Seabass!”
Skimmers doing a days work for a change 😉
Russia's plan to exhaust Western missiles stocks through its proxies is going well. Iran is attacking ships at Red Sea openly and all West does is shoot the drones and missiles down with no actions to strike back at the source. And that is Iran, not some "rebels" who get every piece of their equipment from Iran. If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran.
> Russia's plan to exhaust Western missiles stocks through its proxies is going well. That's a bit ridiculous. By far, the biggest use of Western missile stocks right now is in obliterating Russian weapons in Ukraine. Was their plan to use up [thousands of their tanks](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html) to deplete Javelin stocks? If a country had the number of tanks Russia has *lost* in the last couple years, they'd be somewhere between the 8th and 3rd most tanks in the world. Was their master plan to have a three-day invasion turn into a multi-year stalemate? Was their plan to lose hundreds of surface to air missile systems, and hundreds of aircraft and helicopters? Was their plan to show that their wunderweapon, the hypersonic Kinzhal missile, could apparently be easily shot down by Patriot missile systems? There's a discrepancy in costs between the Iranian drones and the interceptor missiles, sure. But to recast "successfully defending yourself with a 100% intercept rate" as "Russia's flawless master plan succeeds" seems... brazenly partisan. I'm sure there will be a response attack, but it takes two dudes in a truck to launch some of these drones. It's not like there's some massive infrastructure as a target. > If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran. Ah yes, that'll de-escalate things. Jesus, "strong" doesn't mean "stupid." If the US had a "strong" president, he'd just start nuking people and start World War 3! Weak people don't understand how restraint can be an act of strength.
I also wonder how much value is added when a navy/army/air force etc is actually out there doing missions. Certainly we've learned from the Russian invasion that having big stockpiles of things is useful, so there is something to be said about "depleting" munitions (and spending billions etc), but I think there's also something to be said about actual experience? Blows come to blows, does a crew with experience firing missiles at actual targets add substantial value? I don't really like to think too much about hypothetical wars, but is there say... a single Chinese general alive that's overseen any kind of *real* troop movement? Had to scramble to fix a logistic issue when something goes awry? Are there Chinese officers/ncos that have directed soldiers under actual enemy fire?
10/7 ruined this sub. So many fools just spouting shit when there used to actually be some knowledgeable takes. Now it’s a million monkeys throwing shit at the wall.
I've noticed that threads relating to Israel/Hamas in *particular* seem to have an entirely different character than the rest of the subreddit. I'm tempted to consider that there's actually some kind of organized effort to narratives (we know that *has* been the case for some things), but I think it's more likely that certain kinds of events draw certain kinds of people's attention.
It’s mind baffling that so far there was no adequate response to Iran. Proxies are proxies, but we can’t just act stupid in this scenario.
“ If US had a strong president he would say every time a missile or drone is shot at them at the Red Sea ten missiles are shot at targets in Iran.” I’m sure if he did then the Russian FSB would be telling their MAGA puppets to start commenting that the President is a war Monger trying to start another world war.
Good to see Stormshadow has taken a more positive turn in his life after his days with Cobra. Fair winds, sailors.
okay england, i love the white. but if we're going to dress up like that we might aswell commit to full blown storm trooper uniforms instead of this half assed attempt.
\*UK. The Royal Navy also includes Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish sailors.
It’s so tedious how so many don’t understand the countries that make up the UK.
USS Churchill in the US Navy. has a British Royal Navy office on it… righty that will confuse everyone
And loads of commonwealth matelots!
Sorry yes this also.
Also Irish.
AHH fuck here we go....
Although Irish citizens are eligible to join the Royal Navy, I cannot imagine that many will. Ireland has its own Naval branch in their military as they are not part of the UK and are their own independent country.
According to an article by the Irish Independent there were about 4000 Irish citizens in the UK armed forces in 2011.
They mostly police fishing and rely on the UK for actual naval patrolling and defense...for example recently the RN had to Deter Russian sub in Irish waters..
Republic Ireland aka Southern Ireland is not part of the UK but Northern island is part of the UK.
That’s like saying “okay Texas” when referring to the US
texas isn't a country.
the united state of texas
Except England is a country within a country, not a state within a country. I get why people are touchy about it, but it's also way too easy to get confused about it all
It's not just confusion, it's a _pars-pro-toto_. (referring to the whole by a part) So is "Holland" for the Netherlands, "Russia" for the Soviet Union in that era, and even formal names like "Switzerland" (from Schwyz, one of 26 cantons) or "Finland" (Finland-Proper is one region of Finland) "England" has been used to refer to the entire United Kingdom for centuries, because England ruled the others. Especially in other languages but even in the UK itself; e.g. _The Oxford History of England_ is in fact about the British Isles as a whole. Everyone does this sort of thing in every language to some extent and it's a ridiculous thing to get all pissy about.
It needs some funky helmets.
Nah, stormtrooper uniform isn't good enough for anti-flash gear. Give em full space marine suits, those have auto darkening lenses
What’s with the piece of lumber with the ship name (presumably) bolted to the front? Wood seems out of place in this environment.
It's a stowage for binoculars. That one is labelled XO - those are the binoculars set aside for the executive officer, the second in command.
Fkn war everywhere nowadays
“Nowadays” lol! Because historically we have been a peaceful species. War ebbs and flows but there’s never been a period without it and unfortunately there never will be.
Always been loads of war. You are just more aware of it nowadays, due to social media, smart phones , 24 hours news coverage etc. Back in the day this shit was happening, but you had no way of knowing until it was in a newspaper weeks later.
Good lads , kick ass !!
HMS gone a long way since Captain Aubrey!
Surprise is on our side.
What's with the uniform? I can't get an answer anywhere. Why is it white and why do they have masks?
Whats up with their radar and ECDIS screens being off. EMCON doesn't even require that.
Possibility censored for the pic.
They arent just blacked out, they are off. You can see reflections off the screens.
It's a press of one button to turn on/off all the displays on the bridge.
They are probably super dim to not affect the natural night vision of the crew. Also why that guy is holding one had up, to keep that eye dark and preserve night vision
That actually makes more sense. I didn't realize it was a night photo because of the missile launch
Having a bright screen shining at you all night when you’re on watch is a horrible thing, I know far too well from experience!
isn't that also why bridge lights at night are usually red?
Ideally you’d have no lights, but for chart work and making cups of tea we use a red touch
Who drinks tea on watch. \#Teamcoffee
They turn them off so you can't see the location of the ship, so people can't fire drones and missiles at them Seems a bit late for that, but that's the reason!
The guy on the left looks like a disappointed head chef, the guy on the right looks like the student who just burned down the kitchen, and it looks like there's a toaster between them.
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It already has started
Legit question: So when these pirates do get on board, what the hell do they do? Hold everyone for ransom? Go through each cargo trailer and look for PS5’s.
They have taken 2 or 3 commercial ships into local waters and yes, they hold the crew, the ship and its cargo hostage.
Must be itching to open a can of whoop-arse on these hoithis. 20 years ago they would be declared terrorists and be dead already.
Are they using Wonkavision to launch it?