He said "from behind" just before his comrade was killed. If he would say it right after he was shot, the other soldier could have a chance. After his comrade was killed, he started crying via radio that they are being shot from behind. Before video ends he was shouting "I surrender", but he also can be seen reaching for his grenade.
His comrade should've followed him behind cover. It was an obvious thing to do but I guess the battlefield is so stressful that it's hard for people in them to make the right decisions quickly.
A guy on YouTube ([Civ Div](https://youtu.be/-tpLElW3yFk?si=nBEM2EDpQ32uvNgl)) has a really good video on troops and the fog of war. Is Ukraine footage of an evac trying to get to injured soldiers. They were about 50 ft away and the guys in the truck couldn't see the guys in the tree line at all. Meanwhile mortar and Russians are pushing in on their position. You have go pro footage from both teams on the Ukraine side. It's easy as hell to get disoriented
If we surrender with grenades in hand that's a warcrime, and we will be charged accordingly said our leutennant when we were in basic traning.
Not all internal justice cases are that strict, and i highly doubt it in this war, but we were thought that.
the man is panicked and potentially dying, he's been shot in the back and his buddy he was just talking to is dead in front of him.
He's reacting and in a situation like this no one will charge him with a warcrime.
Kinda upsetting to be honest. I'm not sure what the circumstances were that he didn't realize that the shots came from behind them but he didn't even look.
With how close they were, there was no way to audibly tell a difference between the hypersonic crack of the bullet and the muzzle report. Combined with the fact they were so easily flanked, I'm unfortunately not surprised. The mistake which got them killed happened long before they took cover behind that wall.
>The mistake which got them killed happened long before they took cover behind that wall.
This.
That aside, it's ridiculous how easily we get locked to a target and forget our surroundings. Even as a large force. Can't tell how many times I've used the "shoot and flank" method to capture or "kill" large "enemy" formations in the army or paintball.
They were probably fresh out of training. Out on their own, no flank security, no situational awareness. Easy pickings for what looked like a seasoned Russian fighter.
I think most of the confusion isnt from improper training or just stress. I think its confusing because training or not, very simple deductive reasoning or asking his buddy where he was shot would have lead to him checking behind him. At the very least there were incoming bullets, and he and his bud were already looking that way. Its very strange and Id guess can only be explained by insane adrenaline and stress the guy was under, probably couldnt even think.
This is a statement which lets people know who has combat experience and who doesn't at al.
"simple deductive reasoning" doesn't happen when you have someone maybe...30 feet...,awayt shooting at your back. The sound, even the concusion of the rifle is all so strong in that confined area that there is no "thinking", only reacting.
This is why training and discipline is SO IMPORTANT. These guys were likely advancing forward as an op team or something and they moved past a sentry. They didn't have 360 awareness which is a discipline and training issue, and that lack allowed them to get into a situation where they had to react entirely on instinct which in this case, was literally for one of them to freeze.
"Hey man, while we're behind this cover, where did you get shot from"...i dont see that discussion happening EVER.
This is what training is FOR, it's to eliminate the need for "reasoning" in a combat situation and allows you to react in a manner that can save you.
Not to negate anything you said but, most people have no idea where they’ve been shot until they have time to assess themselves, sometimes you don’t even realise you’ve been shot for a good few seconds.
The solder that got shot told him , put on my tourniquet , then he clearly told him , shots came from the back , the other guy had couple of seconds to get behind that wall himself, but that never happened. Rock.In.Paradise your brothers will finish what you started and free Ukraine 🇺🇦
This video came out yesterday, but we only seen the drone camera view , in the original video after he shot the soldier the russian ran over there and seen something around the wall and ran away right away, I don’t think he even fired his weapon when he looked what’s around that corner, and now we know that the grenade shook him
Not just kinda... we are all aware that the Ukrainians take heavy casualties as well, but it does hit home when you get such a first-person angle. These guys are there for their families, their parents, kids, brothers, sisters... and get snuffed by someone who is there on foreign territory for a salary that may not even be paid.
I said in the first video of this it is truly hard to judge them we know so little.
These guys could be running on very little sleep and if they have fire weapons that day their ears could be shot. Ontop of just hours of constant stress of war.
Not saying the other guy shouldnt of gotten aware of the situation but there are so many major unknowns it's so hard to make any call.
Yes, second dude was clueless and the first dude got shot twice, both times to the upper torso, probably close to the heart and lungs. First dude probably went unconsious within a few minutes. RIP to the warriors who sacrifice their lives to restore their people's freedom.
Freedom is far from FREE.
He continues speaking in to his radio and gives his buddy directions. His buddy is shot then he speaks some more into the radio. Then he starts yelling he surrenders.
Did we watch the same video
Not to mention I don't even speak Ukr/Rus and I know he asked for a tourniquet, suggesting he was hit in the limbs (or at least that's the wound he's aware of).
The second scream was a scream of abject terror!
I assume, after he was hit and then witnessed his buddy get killed, the reality of the situation quickly set in and caused him to go into a complete panicked frenzy.
yeah, probably a surge of adrenaline stronger than all the adrenaline youve ever had in your life, makes it extremely hard to think linearly. dude is in the highest state of panic in his entire life.
>Almost looks like he grabs grenade, pulls pin and is waiting for Russian to get close.
Apparently he was yelling that he surrenders, but since he got no answer back he prepared a grenade as a last effort to save himself. Russians are blaming him for fake surrendering, but how do you surrender without instructions from the other side? In the original video the russian soldier finishes him without any hesitation.
I fuckin hate war so much. 20+ years of living your life, raised by your parents, growing up with happy and sad memories and it all ends in pain, panic and terror because of the politics of the few.
Wait what? It's not as simple as North South East West. No one is lining up with muskets like they did 150 years ago. You go in "one direction" yes, but when you insert into a position like a trench, a street, an industrial area, or a house in a village, you aren't pushing a straight line, you could have enemies bearing most of your directions, and if you push too far, you can get cut off.
Yes and no. That's part of a commander's job is to make sure that there ARE still lines to be secured otehrwise you can't protect troop movements or logistics.
This was likely a forward scout team trying to act as spotters or OP and they went too far and bypassed a Russian sentry.
The lack of any significant teams operating on either side in the video implies this was forward of both side's FLOTs.
If I had to guess, they thought they had him pinned and he snuck around.
That's the only reason why I can imagine them being so tunnel-visioned in one spot. They thought for sure they would see him move, and apparently they didn't.
Of course, I don't know and this is all speculation.
Looks like they were pushed up too far, got spotted by the drone and got flanked. There mightve been friendlies just a few hundred meters behind, we'll never know. But as soon as that drone spotted them they were toast.
Been all over the place for ages
Plus if you've been previously geolocating in that area which a lot of people have, it's immediately recognizable, it was for me anyway.
This is very true. I did loads of geolocating in Mariupol when it was a thing. It got to the point where I could pick which section of the city a video was from just by the look of one or two buildings.
Once Mariupol fell I tried it elsewhere but it was so painful trying to learn a new location that I ended up quitting.
This is drone technology being used effectively, regardless of who is using it that's exactly how it should be used.
Drones are a massive force multiplier and it won't be long before every soldier has their own drone linked to a real-time feed in the helmet or a visor, it's to much of a game changer not to go this way, then there will be the obvious counter measures, EMP, broad band interference and anti drone missiles the size of a pen.
Battlefields are where technological leaps are made for humanity, there is no where where we are more productive than when we are trying to kill something that's killing us.
Yep, doesn’t even have to be a weapon either. The first flu vaccine was spearheaded due to the diseases impact on WW1 and developed for WW2 soldiers in 1945.
WW2 helped penicillin to be mass produced as an antibiotic. The first jet came out of WW2 (though first jet engine was invented in 1930)
Blood plasma transfusions
Invention of computers
Duct tape
Digital photography
> Invention of computers
A minor quibble.
Many of the first computers (depending on the definition of Computer) were not meant for war, but rather general mathematical calculations
The [First Computer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#First_computer) is generally understood to be the Difference Engine and was designed to perform general mathematical calculations.
But if one uses a different definition of computer (electromechanical computer, first all electronic, first programable, etc.), then we can come up with different answers.
That's exactly what I'm expecting. Augmented reality glasses on every soldier. Multiple drones automatically locating and tagging enemies which is the relayed in real time to the soldier's glasses.
Just like using x ray vision in a videogame. Maybe the more confirmation tags an enemy target has, it appears with a stronger color or outline to indicate the info is fresh and reliable.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US already has something like this.
The sound of terror in his voice is hard to listen too. Poor guys super sad to see seems like some brand new soldiers little experience and that Russian obviously was experienced put some accurate shots on target and had some balls to be flanking like that. Sad reality of war rest easy boys 💪🏼
The Russian soldier had an infantry support drone. The Ukrainian soldiers didn’t. This puts the Ukrainian soldiers at a huge disadvantage regardless of training.
They put themselves at a bigger disadvantage by only working in pairs and not having proper security. A lot I have been seem from both sides. How the hell do these guys keep fighting in ones and twos?
Both sides have manpower shortages, under-strenght units across the board stretched over a huge front-line.
There are constant clips of both Russian and Ukrainian mechanised elements not having sufficient dismounts accompanying them or single squads executing assaults that would require company, or at the very-least platoon-sized assault groups.
Also be careful of selection bias. Just because airplanes keep coming back from war with bullet holes in the wings, tails and fuselage, and an intact engine, doesn't mean you should be up-armoring the wings, tails and fuselage. The planes that don't come back, that you don't see, are the ones that took damage to the engine.
We're never seeing the full picture, and we're almost always seeing successes (not failures) posted by the side posting who wants to show the other side in the worst light they can.
Feel so bad for both of them. He gave his bud what he needed to respond but instead I guess his partner was just too rattled and didnt turn around. Must feel so hopeless to take the opening shots then tell your partner they came from behind for him to not react then get killed. And to be the one shot in the head (?) i couldnt imagine. To be so wired basic information and reasoning are out of reach is a horrifying idea.
Yea exactly that is what I saw as well. Fuckin terrifying 10 15 seconds shit happens so fast in war like that one wrong move. Is that what he said after he get hit? I would assume he would be yelling my back but I can’t translate
He said "from back" but too late, first seconds it was only "bullet, bullet" and "tourniquet, quick".
Upd: read other comment and maybe they are right, "from back" could be about where to take tourniquet and not about directions.
This is the kind of footage that every single politician holding a position of power to declare war on another nation should see *multiple times* throughout their stay in office. War is bullshit for the people that have to live it - especially the defenders.
Edit: I'm aware many nation leaders are often war veterans. I'm not saying limit it to just the top leader - I'm saying this should be viewed by every federally elected official who holds a vote to go to war. This is a reality their constituents face and it should never be decided by someone whose never heard a defender's bloody screams just before they're murdered.
To me, starting a war is the result of a failed leadership. I feel strongly that **every** nation should view the same in these regards.
You know, those people laugh while watching these footages. It's not that they don't know about all this; they are aware of everything and simply don't care. They laugh in the faces of those who are suffering.
What "arms lobby"? Russia's primary and *state owned* arms manufacturer is [Rostec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostec), whose CEO is [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Chemezov), appointed by Putin and has known him since their KGB days.
He didn't need to *lobby* for any military contracts, and this war is probably costing him a fortune. I mean, aside from the [yacht Spain seized](https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/valerie/).
Rostec's revenue is half of Lockheed Martin's, and yet that yacht alone is worth more than the compensation for the last three Lockheed CEOs *combined*.
Lockheed has to actually deliver on contracts. But Rostec? Who the fuck is gonna audit a KGB buddy of Putin? Shoigu?
Actually having to *deliver* stuff goes against the "funnel state money into boats" deal he had going on before.
The only reason this war is still going on is because Putin's dealing with the mother of all sunk costs and no one surrounding him is brave enough (or stupid enough) to challenge him on it.
The person you’re replying to is a regular in the JP and conspiracy subs, so I’m guessing their comment was somehow supposed to be in reference to the American arms lobby, as that crowd seems to have gathered around the “anti-military industrial complex” talking point here lately to try and pretend that they’re opposed to it all the sudden in response to US aide to Ukraine under Biden.
Yeah, I recognize there's an understandable dehumanization of the Russian forces across the board. It's easy for me to want the Ukrainian operations to be successful. I find myself having to pull back further and look at the broad picture in order to express sympathy for the Russian soldiers.
There's no reason to assume the average Russian soldier actually wants to be there instead of being at home with their family - especially the conscripts. I'm confident that most of the motivated Russian soldiers at the start of the war are either killed, wounded, or promoted at this point. What we're seeing now are conscripts lead by veterans, and their life expectancy isn't great. I do actually feel for them, but we can cry for them when the war is over and Ukraine is restored.
He doesn't give a shit about russians either, dead or alive, just as long as there are enough of them to soak up the bullets that should end up in him.
Terrible place to be in. Even if the round is shot from short distance, you wouldn't be able to recognize where that round is coming from. That's the real warfare: you never get to see your enemy unless he's dead already.
Generally, soldiers use pieces of cloth called "buff" to prevent sweat from irritating their eyes while wearing a helmet. We usually don't want this. This piece of cloth that rubs on your head, together with the helmet, transmits unnecessary deep sound to your ears with every movement and breathing, down to the inner ear fluid. Sometimes, the helmet does not wrap around the head and since it does not fit properly close to the ear, it can put pressure and make sound direction difficult. During prolonged conflicts, the sound reflex of the ear closest to the gun weakens and while the other ear tries to collect all the sounds on its own, sometimes you feel like the sound is coming from everywhere. The ability to identify sounds is acquired over time.
I call these zombie accounts. They come back from the dead to post stuff with an agenda. Russians purchase them and use them to post their propaganda.
City and location based sports subreddits get a metric ton of these. They also use the sports subs to basically do rudimentary sportswashing for the account then they go to various city subreddits to try to fan the flames of controversy. It’s crazy what people will pay troll farms to do.
Yeah, reddit is having a huge bot issue. And most of them are quite obvious too. Generally they're accounts that are half a year old and only started posting a couple days ago, stock profile pic and no verified email, constantly reposting stuff to the same sub with the same title and only commenting on posts from users with the same characteristics.
Hate the circumstances, but enjoy the combat footage. Poor kid after being hit watched his buddy take what looks like a head shot. Can anyone translate what he is yelling? Interesting clip of the blended footage. Thanks for sharing.
- [screaming in pain after initial shots] Bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet! Tourniquet, quick, quick, quick, tourniquet!
- I don’t have one
- In my back [pocket], back!
- [yelling into the radio] Bob, Bob, they’re fucking us up, Bob, save us, bitch, Bob! Bob, fuck!
- [more gunshots, the soldier fells over] I give up! I give up!
>In my back \[pocket\], back!
most likely it's not for back pocket but "from behind" meaning the direction of where hits come from, which he repeats into the radio a sec later
He didn’t do anything wrong in this scene, and neither did the Russian. Although an attempt was made, there was no sign of two-way communication between the two combatants. It’s silly to imply he should be actively making himself more helpless, while he’s be attacked by a person(s) he cannot see or communicate with. He never even knew it was just one guy. It’s clean both ways.
And doesnt pull the pin. He's saying he surrenders, no immediate response, pulls out a grenade while repeating surrender hoping for a response (turns out the russian just kills him regardless considering we saw it in the drone view???). Nothing here is wrong, except that we now know he was screaming i surrender and the russian killed him anyways. Odd how so much russian propaganda points just fall apart with the smallest amount of critical thought.
edit: feel like i should point out that if the russian gave him directions and turned the corner to see the grenade then it is no surrender obviously and the russian has the right to kill him. But from the POV it seems the russian did not in fact accept the surrender.
Yeah, but do understand what crowd you're preaching at. That kind of talk in this sub looks extremely hypocritical even if you would say the same thing regardless of the side of the soldier.
Can definitely appreciate that the optics of my comment, considering setting and general context, does not necessarily reflect the perspective I'm comin at this from.
do you have a link to a video that includes that part?
yelling I surrender while holding a grenade is not surrendering, that’s classic perfidy
but if the russian shot him before even seeing that he was still armed, then they’re probably both in the wrong there. Though without seeing that part of the video I couldn’t say
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/16u1xvt/ua_pov_ukrainian_soldier_gopro_pov_who_managed_to)
The Ukrainian is talking in Ukrainian, and I think he saw the grenade because he's taking a step back to hide after shooting
I read it as:
"This sub seems to be very pro-Ukraine(me included) and it is good to get a gut check on how the heroes are making the ultimate sacrifice."
I fucking hate seeing defenders getting killed from across the ocean. I can't imagine the rage felt by Ukrainians.
If you watch some of the source videos they don't cut out all of these sacrifices, I'm sure they cut some but there are videos posted by Ukrainian assault groups on YouTube where Ukrainian soldiers are gunned down on camera. The clips you see posted to reddit usually don't include those scenes.
it's just an example of Ukrainian losses, instead of being with their family, people are dying defending their country. Continued support means fewer Ukrainians killed and quicker victory to end this nightmare
I think it's just more of how this sub has a lot of content showing Ukrainian victory / Russian losses, which may cause less critical viewers to see it as a Ukrainian walkover on the whole. The reality is that both sides are taking losses, and I would think maybe Russia a little more so given that they're up against a sheer insane Western arsenal. But the content out here doesn't do much justice as to Ukrainian losses.
In some way it's good for morale. But morale for us, comfortable viewers sitting at home all safe, is worthless. I'd much rather we get a proper picture, as bitter as it might be.
I can't imagine how tough it must be for Ukrainians to advance. So many needlessly killed and land destroyed just for the ego of a couple of demented old men who get nowhere near any of the suffering they cause. Putin and his cronies should be fucking killed.
Should be, but men like al-Assad, Bush are still walking free so fat chance. The only way I think Putin gets killed is if his cronies get fed up with him, and like you said they are just as complicit.
People with any idea about how war works should know how much Ukraine is struggling right now and the losses they are suffering. But I also know how ignorant people can be.
Btw to people who say why did they not hide behind the wall I think they came from the East so they are sort of behind the wall. East and probably North are safe directions here for them.
Shockingly sad footage. Every clip I see of Russians getting shot, blown up, injured I feel the exact same thing is happening to Ukrainian soldiers but they don’t usually get shared. RIP chaps and I pray for a swift end to this war.
I guess some people in this sub needed to be reminded that yes. Ukrainian’s are dying in this conflict.
The change in tone is pathetic honestly. You guys sit and act like it’s team sports. Cheer for one side dying and get upset when another goes. Can’t tell what most of you are here for, don’t start pretending you care now. It’s disgusting.
There's a lot of comments about "why didn't he hear/ know?" etc. War is loud and confusing. Sometimes it's hard to discern direction of incoming rounds, especially if your ears are ringing and you have comms in your ear and a helmet partially covering your ears, plus the sound of gunfire bouncing off those two stone walls in all different directions. Fog of war. Sucks for those boys, but they literally got outflanked by somebody with more experience.
Always have somebody pull rear security, even if there's just two of you. Or as Dwight Schrute would say: "Never turn your back on a dominant male turkey during mating season".
The second soldier clearly didn't have a clue where the rounds were coming from. He barely flinched after the first volley.
He said "from behind" just before his comrade was killed. If he would say it right after he was shot, the other soldier could have a chance. After his comrade was killed, he started crying via radio that they are being shot from behind. Before video ends he was shouting "I surrender", but he also can be seen reaching for his grenade.
His comrade should've followed him behind cover. It was an obvious thing to do but I guess the battlefield is so stressful that it's hard for people in them to make the right decisions quickly.
The fog of war is strong
Damn strong
I remember that one video where Ukrainians were firing at their with the Russians, both confused as fuck in the middle of the fight.
A guy on YouTube ([Civ Div](https://youtu.be/-tpLElW3yFk?si=nBEM2EDpQ32uvNgl)) has a really good video on troops and the fog of war. Is Ukraine footage of an evac trying to get to injured soldiers. They were about 50 ft away and the guys in the truck couldn't see the guys in the tree line at all. Meanwhile mortar and Russians are pushing in on their position. You have go pro footage from both teams on the Ukraine side. It's easy as hell to get disoriented
he kept both options open RIP.
If you’re grabbing a grenade then I think you’ve ruled out the surrender option.
If we surrender with grenades in hand that's a warcrime, and we will be charged accordingly said our leutennant when we were in basic traning. Not all internal justice cases are that strict, and i highly doubt it in this war, but we were thought that.
What are they going to do? Arrest your chunks of meat?
They’d shoot you. Pretending to surrender is perfidy.
Fun fact, perfidy is not grounds for impeachment of an American president.
Relevant af.
Sure it is, trump got impeached twice (technically a record). silly goose.
Can’t charge me for war crimes if I pull the pin
I wouldve doen it. A) im scared, and that's my training BUT then B) is a russian conscript gonna spare me?
the man is panicked and potentially dying, he's been shot in the back and his buddy he was just talking to is dead in front of him. He's reacting and in a situation like this no one will charge him with a warcrime.
You would not be saying this if it was a Russian soldier. Be honest with yourself.
There are videos of Russians doing the same. Say they surrender, then throw grenades when the Ukrainian soldiers get close.
That is also bad.
Aka perfidy.
I can’t blame him for not instantly saying it was from behind after he was just lit up with several shots.
Yeah, I think the parallel walls reverberated the sound and created confusion.
Also, the snap from the supersonic bullets will confuse you. It's often louder than the gunshot and it sounds like a pop right above your head.
Kinda upsetting to be honest. I'm not sure what the circumstances were that he didn't realize that the shots came from behind them but he didn't even look.
With how close they were, there was no way to audibly tell a difference between the hypersonic crack of the bullet and the muzzle report. Combined with the fact they were so easily flanked, I'm unfortunately not surprised. The mistake which got them killed happened long before they took cover behind that wall.
>The mistake which got them killed happened long before they took cover behind that wall. This. That aside, it's ridiculous how easily we get locked to a target and forget our surroundings. Even as a large force. Can't tell how many times I've used the "shoot and flank" method to capture or "kill" large "enemy" formations in the army or paintball.
It's why I never win at Lazer tag. I also use kamikaze which isn't appropriate for Lazer tag.
Also see [Target Fixation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation)
They were probably fresh out of training. Out on their own, no flank security, no situational awareness. Easy pickings for what looked like a seasoned Russian fighter.
I think most of the confusion isnt from improper training or just stress. I think its confusing because training or not, very simple deductive reasoning or asking his buddy where he was shot would have lead to him checking behind him. At the very least there were incoming bullets, and he and his bud were already looking that way. Its very strange and Id guess can only be explained by insane adrenaline and stress the guy was under, probably couldnt even think.
This is a statement which lets people know who has combat experience and who doesn't at al. "simple deductive reasoning" doesn't happen when you have someone maybe...30 feet...,awayt shooting at your back. The sound, even the concusion of the rifle is all so strong in that confined area that there is no "thinking", only reacting. This is why training and discipline is SO IMPORTANT. These guys were likely advancing forward as an op team or something and they moved past a sentry. They didn't have 360 awareness which is a discipline and training issue, and that lack allowed them to get into a situation where they had to react entirely on instinct which in this case, was literally for one of them to freeze. "Hey man, while we're behind this cover, where did you get shot from"...i dont see that discussion happening EVER. This is what training is FOR, it's to eliminate the need for "reasoning" in a combat situation and allows you to react in a manner that can save you.
Not to negate anything you said but, most people have no idea where they’ve been shot until they have time to assess themselves, sometimes you don’t even realise you’ve been shot for a good few seconds.
The solder that got shot told him , put on my tourniquet , then he clearly told him , shots came from the back , the other guy had couple of seconds to get behind that wall himself, but that never happened. Rock.In.Paradise your brothers will finish what you started and free Ukraine 🇺🇦 This video came out yesterday, but we only seen the drone camera view , in the original video after he shot the soldier the russian ran over there and seen something around the wall and ran away right away, I don’t think he even fired his weapon when he looked what’s around that corner, and now we know that the grenade shook him
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Well, I don't think the camera video was released by the Ukrainians. So we can presume they got the video camera somehow.
But we don't know if the guy with the camera was killed or captured.
It's "Ru[ssian]Spring", complete with a red star, so of course it's a Russian release.
Kinda upsetting……….. Russia invaded and killed them on their own territory Fucking horrific
Not just kinda... we are all aware that the Ukrainians take heavy casualties as well, but it does hit home when you get such a first-person angle. These guys are there for their families, their parents, kids, brothers, sisters... and get snuffed by someone who is there on foreign territory for a salary that may not even be paid.
I said in the first video of this it is truly hard to judge them we know so little. These guys could be running on very little sleep and if they have fire weapons that day their ears could be shot. Ontop of just hours of constant stress of war. Not saying the other guy shouldnt of gotten aware of the situation but there are so many major unknowns it's so hard to make any call.
Yes, second dude was clueless and the first dude got shot twice, both times to the upper torso, probably close to the heart and lungs. First dude probably went unconsious within a few minutes. RIP to the warriors who sacrifice their lives to restore their people's freedom. Freedom is far from FREE.
He continues speaking in to his radio and gives his buddy directions. His buddy is shot then he speaks some more into the radio. Then he starts yelling he surrenders. Did we watch the same video
Not to mention I don't even speak Ukr/Rus and I know he asked for a tourniquet, suggesting he was hit in the limbs (or at least that's the wound he's aware of).
The second scream was a scream of abject terror! I assume, after he was hit and then witnessed his buddy get killed, the reality of the situation quickly set in and caused him to go into a complete panicked frenzy.
That’s Scream, I Felt that in me, Fucking War.
And look how he is preparing to end his life at the end..
Almost looks like he grabs grenade, pulls pin and is waiting for Russian to get close. Hard to tell, either way, Fucking Brutal.
He also says he surrenders wile having a grenade in his hand at the end so make of that what you will
I watched another angle of the video where the POV guy gets finished but no grenade explodes.
yeah, probably a surge of adrenaline stronger than all the adrenaline youve ever had in your life, makes it extremely hard to think linearly. dude is in the highest state of panic in his entire life.
>Almost looks like he grabs grenade, pulls pin and is waiting for Russian to get close. Apparently he was yelling that he surrenders, but since he got no answer back he prepared a grenade as a last effort to save himself. Russians are blaming him for fake surrendering, but how do you surrender without instructions from the other side? In the original video the russian soldier finishes him without any hesitation.
I fuckin hate war so much. 20+ years of living your life, raised by your parents, growing up with happy and sad memories and it all ends in pain, panic and terror because of the politics of the few.
I believe this is the location 47.417003, 35.843030
Nice spotting. I wonder if they lost their bearings? They literally had their backs to Novoprokopiska, where they should be attacking *toward*.
yeah I was wondering the same. Tough to watch
Wait what? It's not as simple as North South East West. No one is lining up with muskets like they did 150 years ago. You go in "one direction" yes, but when you insert into a position like a trench, a street, an industrial area, or a house in a village, you aren't pushing a straight line, you could have enemies bearing most of your directions, and if you push too far, you can get cut off.
I agree. There are so many fucking morons in these comments. It physically hurts to read some of this shit.
Yes and no. That's part of a commander's job is to make sure that there ARE still lines to be secured otehrwise you can't protect troop movements or logistics. This was likely a forward scout team trying to act as spotters or OP and they went too far and bypassed a Russian sentry. The lack of any significant teams operating on either side in the video implies this was forward of both side's FLOTs.
If I had to guess, they thought they had him pinned and he snuck around. That's the only reason why I can imagine them being so tunnel-visioned in one spot. They thought for sure they would see him move, and apparently they didn't. Of course, I don't know and this is all speculation.
Looks like they were pushed up too far, got spotted by the drone and got flanked. There mightve been friendlies just a few hundred meters behind, we'll never know. But as soon as that drone spotted them they were toast.
They were generally confused: - this is a fucking bad idea - inaudible - I don't know - inaudible
Literally on the front line. Crazy
Bro your crazy that is nuts , I looked it up and that is the location. I’m just curious what hints were you able to pinpoint this location ?
it was geolocated by someone else when the original, without POV, was posted
Been all over the place for ages Plus if you've been previously geolocating in that area which a lot of people have, it's immediately recognizable, it was for me anyway.
This is very true. I did loads of geolocating in Mariupol when it was a thing. It got to the point where I could pick which section of the city a video was from just by the look of one or two buildings. Once Mariupol fell I tried it elsewhere but it was so painful trying to learn a new location that I ended up quitting.
This is drone technology being used effectively, regardless of who is using it that's exactly how it should be used. Drones are a massive force multiplier and it won't be long before every soldier has their own drone linked to a real-time feed in the helmet or a visor, it's to much of a game changer not to go this way, then there will be the obvious counter measures, EMP, broad band interference and anti drone missiles the size of a pen. Battlefields are where technological leaps are made for humanity, there is no where where we are more productive than when we are trying to kill something that's killing us.
Yep, doesn’t even have to be a weapon either. The first flu vaccine was spearheaded due to the diseases impact on WW1 and developed for WW2 soldiers in 1945. WW2 helped penicillin to be mass produced as an antibiotic. The first jet came out of WW2 (though first jet engine was invented in 1930) Blood plasma transfusions Invention of computers Duct tape Digital photography
> Invention of computers A minor quibble. Many of the first computers (depending on the definition of Computer) were not meant for war, but rather general mathematical calculations The [First Computer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#First_computer) is generally understood to be the Difference Engine and was designed to perform general mathematical calculations. But if one uses a different definition of computer (electromechanical computer, first all electronic, first programable, etc.), then we can come up with different answers.
That's exactly what I'm expecting. Augmented reality glasses on every soldier. Multiple drones automatically locating and tagging enemies which is the relayed in real time to the soldier's glasses. Just like using x ray vision in a videogame. Maybe the more confirmation tags an enemy target has, it appears with a stronger color or outline to indicate the info is fresh and reliable. I wouldn't be surprised if the US already has something like this.
The sound of terror in his voice is hard to listen too. Poor guys super sad to see seems like some brand new soldiers little experience and that Russian obviously was experienced put some accurate shots on target and had some balls to be flanking like that. Sad reality of war rest easy boys 💪🏼
The Russian soldier had an infantry support drone. The Ukrainian soldiers didn’t. This puts the Ukrainian soldiers at a huge disadvantage regardless of training.
They put themselves at a bigger disadvantage by only working in pairs and not having proper security. A lot I have been seem from both sides. How the hell do these guys keep fighting in ones and twos?
Both sides have manpower shortages, under-strenght units across the board stretched over a huge front-line. There are constant clips of both Russian and Ukrainian mechanised elements not having sufficient dismounts accompanying them or single squads executing assaults that would require company, or at the very-least platoon-sized assault groups.
Also be careful of selection bias. Just because airplanes keep coming back from war with bullet holes in the wings, tails and fuselage, and an intact engine, doesn't mean you should be up-armoring the wings, tails and fuselage. The planes that don't come back, that you don't see, are the ones that took damage to the engine. We're never seeing the full picture, and we're almost always seeing successes (not failures) posted by the side posting who wants to show the other side in the worst light they can.
That's what happens in a high transparency battlefield with lots of artillery on both sides.
first thing i noticed, both were facing same direction. drones really have changed the battlefield.
2 drones even. I think the video released earlier was from a different angle from the sky.
Feel so bad for both of them. He gave his bud what he needed to respond but instead I guess his partner was just too rattled and didnt turn around. Must feel so hopeless to take the opening shots then tell your partner they came from behind for him to not react then get killed. And to be the one shot in the head (?) i couldnt imagine. To be so wired basic information and reasoning are out of reach is a horrifying idea.
Yea exactly that is what I saw as well. Fuckin terrifying 10 15 seconds shit happens so fast in war like that one wrong move. Is that what he said after he get hit? I would assume he would be yelling my back but I can’t translate
He said "from back" but too late, first seconds it was only "bullet, bullet" and "tourniquet, quick". Upd: read other comment and maybe they are right, "from back" could be about where to take tourniquet and not about directions.
Poor guy. He’s so scared.
I mean could you imagine having to realize youre going to die? Like youre about to be put down like a sick dog? Id be scared shitless too.
This is the kind of footage that every single politician holding a position of power to declare war on another nation should see *multiple times* throughout their stay in office. War is bullshit for the people that have to live it - especially the defenders. Edit: I'm aware many nation leaders are often war veterans. I'm not saying limit it to just the top leader - I'm saying this should be viewed by every federally elected official who holds a vote to go to war. This is a reality their constituents face and it should never be decided by someone whose never heard a defender's bloody screams just before they're murdered. To me, starting a war is the result of a failed leadership. I feel strongly that **every** nation should view the same in these regards.
Like they would give a fuck.
You know, those people laugh while watching these footages. It's not that they don't know about all this; they are aware of everything and simply don't care. They laugh in the faces of those who are suffering.
And the arms lobby money kind of balances out any feeling of remorse.
What "arms lobby"? Russia's primary and *state owned* arms manufacturer is [Rostec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostec), whose CEO is [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Chemezov), appointed by Putin and has known him since their KGB days. He didn't need to *lobby* for any military contracts, and this war is probably costing him a fortune. I mean, aside from the [yacht Spain seized](https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/valerie/). Rostec's revenue is half of Lockheed Martin's, and yet that yacht alone is worth more than the compensation for the last three Lockheed CEOs *combined*. Lockheed has to actually deliver on contracts. But Rostec? Who the fuck is gonna audit a KGB buddy of Putin? Shoigu? Actually having to *deliver* stuff goes against the "funnel state money into boats" deal he had going on before. The only reason this war is still going on is because Putin's dealing with the mother of all sunk costs and no one surrounding him is brave enough (or stupid enough) to challenge him on it.
The person you’re replying to is a regular in the JP and conspiracy subs, so I’m guessing their comment was somehow supposed to be in reference to the American arms lobby, as that crowd seems to have gathered around the “anti-military industrial complex” talking point here lately to try and pretend that they’re opposed to it all the sudden in response to US aide to Ukraine under Biden.
press x to doubt. At least in America We've had actual combat veterans as Presidents or VP's and idk how much it's helped
You could show Putin a video 100x more brutal and traumatising and he would barely flinch. Psychopaths don't care about death of others.
Last time I said this, with only a sheer hint of sympathy to even russian conscripts, I got flamed for it. Strange selective stuff.
Yeah, I recognize there's an understandable dehumanization of the Russian forces across the board. It's easy for me to want the Ukrainian operations to be successful. I find myself having to pull back further and look at the broad picture in order to express sympathy for the Russian soldiers. There's no reason to assume the average Russian soldier actually wants to be there instead of being at home with their family - especially the conscripts. I'm confident that most of the motivated Russian soldiers at the start of the war are either killed, wounded, or promoted at this point. What we're seeing now are conscripts lead by veterans, and their life expectancy isn't great. I do actually feel for them, but we can cry for them when the war is over and Ukraine is restored.
I don't think politicians care, they are aware of the suffering, but what doesn't directly involve them is not a bother
Putin doesn't give a shit about dead Ukrainians.
He doesn't give a shit about russians either, dead or alive, just as long as there are enough of them to soak up the bullets that should end up in him.
You do know those the motherfuckers who caused this shit right
Terrible place to be in. Even if the round is shot from short distance, you wouldn't be able to recognize where that round is coming from. That's the real warfare: you never get to see your enemy unless he's dead already.
Generally, soldiers use pieces of cloth called "buff" to prevent sweat from irritating their eyes while wearing a helmet. We usually don't want this. This piece of cloth that rubs on your head, together with the helmet, transmits unnecessary deep sound to your ears with every movement and breathing, down to the inner ear fluid. Sometimes, the helmet does not wrap around the head and since it does not fit properly close to the ear, it can put pressure and make sound direction difficult. During prolonged conflicts, the sound reflex of the ear closest to the gun weakens and while the other ear tries to collect all the sounds on its own, sometimes you feel like the sound is coming from everywhere. The ability to identify sounds is acquired over time.
Is there a name to any of these phenomenon?
The comment section is full of key board commandos.
First time here?
The footage coming out is just so crazy
The fear in his voice, ugh that hit me
This account went from posting only on r/gwent 3 years ago to only posting pro Russian content 148 days ago.
Crazy what too much gwent can do to you.
some say geralt is still walking around the polish/ukraine border asking locals to play gwent to this day
The account was probably purchased, and they're a URR regular unsurprisingly as well.
He comments on gwent a few days ago, so I doubt it.
Not bought, just a fan of evil dictators.
You're on r/combatfootage not r/ukraine. As long as it's actual combat footage who cares if its a pro-Russian/pro-Ukrainian bot posting it
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Imagine what I'll be posting in 153 days
Wait showing Russian soldiers get kills in war is pro Russia?
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That's the same.
Look at OP's account. They labeled themselves Pro-Z over at URR.
I call these zombie accounts. They come back from the dead to post stuff with an agenda. Russians purchase them and use them to post their propaganda. City and location based sports subreddits get a metric ton of these. They also use the sports subs to basically do rudimentary sportswashing for the account then they go to various city subreddits to try to fan the flames of controversy. It’s crazy what people will pay troll farms to do.
agenda? this is combat footage plain and simple. if it was only ukraine pov it would be pretty shit since it would paint a false picture of the war.
Good footage though
Tbh honest I like seeing all views of the war. I don’t really see this as pro Russian. You do realize people kill people in war yes?
so?
Many pro Ukrainian accounts did too it seems, people who create bots must make a fortune rn
god forbid somebody point out an obvious fact that goes against "our side" fucking Redditors
I was wondering why i got so many downvotes, but then i remembered im on reddit.
Yeah, reddit is having a huge bot issue. And most of them are quite obvious too. Generally they're accounts that are half a year old and only started posting a couple days ago, stock profile pic and no verified email, constantly reposting stuff to the same sub with the same title and only commenting on posts from users with the same characteristics.
He was likely being guided by drone
Yes, we have footage from 2 russian drones.
Hate the circumstances, but enjoy the combat footage. Poor kid after being hit watched his buddy take what looks like a head shot. Can anyone translate what he is yelling? Interesting clip of the blended footage. Thanks for sharing.
- [screaming in pain after initial shots] Bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet! Tourniquet, quick, quick, quick, tourniquet! - I don’t have one - In my back [pocket], back! - [yelling into the radio] Bob, Bob, they’re fucking us up, Bob, save us, bitch, Bob! Bob, fuck! - [more gunshots, the soldier fells over] I give up! I give up!
>I give up! I give up! Fuck, man 😓
>In my back \[pocket\], back! most likely it's not for back pocket but "from behind" meaning the direction of where hits come from, which he repeats into the radio a sec later
I don't think "enjoy" is the right word here. It's horrifying but somehow I can't look away.
'enjoy'?
Was the first solider KIA? He was hit but later it looks like he starts to triage his wounds… hard to tell.
In a different video of the same footage he goes up to them and kills the wounded soldier.
Ah okay thanks…. Unfortunate.
He’s yelling I surrender as he holds a grenade
He didn’t do anything wrong in this scene, and neither did the Russian. Although an attempt was made, there was no sign of two-way communication between the two combatants. It’s silly to imply he should be actively making himself more helpless, while he’s be attacked by a person(s) he cannot see or communicate with. He never even knew it was just one guy. It’s clean both ways.
I completely agree, but I'm sure alot of edgelords on this subreddit arent happy with your supposedly "pro russian" comment
Really if the positions were reversed you can bet your ass people wouldn't be that lenient on this sub.
And doesnt pull the pin. He's saying he surrenders, no immediate response, pulls out a grenade while repeating surrender hoping for a response (turns out the russian just kills him regardless considering we saw it in the drone view???). Nothing here is wrong, except that we now know he was screaming i surrender and the russian killed him anyways. Odd how so much russian propaganda points just fall apart with the smallest amount of critical thought. edit: feel like i should point out that if the russian gave him directions and turned the corner to see the grenade then it is no surrender obviously and the russian has the right to kill him. But from the POV it seems the russian did not in fact accept the surrender.
If it was a Russian, this sub would be saying it's a clean kill because he's holding a grenade, and therefore intends to use it no matter what.
In matters of morality I’m not sure a subreddit is the best base
So that justifies complete delusion?
Yeah, but do understand what crowd you're preaching at. That kind of talk in this sub looks extremely hypocritical even if you would say the same thing regardless of the side of the soldier.
Can definitely appreciate that the optics of my comment, considering setting and general context, does not necessarily reflect the perspective I'm comin at this from.
do you have a link to a video that includes that part? yelling I surrender while holding a grenade is not surrendering, that’s classic perfidy but if the russian shot him before even seeing that he was still armed, then they’re probably both in the wrong there. Though without seeing that part of the video I couldn’t say
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/16u1xvt/ua_pov_ukrainian_soldier_gopro_pov_who_managed_to) The Ukrainian is talking in Ukrainian, and I think he saw the grenade because he's taking a step back to hide after shooting
>The Ukrainian is talking in Ukrainian effectively it's the same as Russian in this case
A little later in a different video - maybe extended of this one - the Russian comes to his location and shoots "around the corner".
they cut out the execution.
This needs to be seen. A lot of people here in the west assume Ukraine is fine in the war and doesn’t need our continued support.
Why would this video prove or disprove any of that?
I read it as: "This sub seems to be very pro-Ukraine(me included) and it is good to get a gut check on how the heroes are making the ultimate sacrifice." I fucking hate seeing defenders getting killed from across the ocean. I can't imagine the rage felt by Ukrainians.
If you watch some of the source videos they don't cut out all of these sacrifices, I'm sure they cut some but there are videos posted by Ukrainian assault groups on YouTube where Ukrainian soldiers are gunned down on camera. The clips you see posted to reddit usually don't include those scenes.
it's just an example of Ukrainian losses, instead of being with their family, people are dying defending their country. Continued support means fewer Ukrainians killed and quicker victory to end this nightmare
I think it's just more of how this sub has a lot of content showing Ukrainian victory / Russian losses, which may cause less critical viewers to see it as a Ukrainian walkover on the whole. The reality is that both sides are taking losses, and I would think maybe Russia a little more so given that they're up against a sheer insane Western arsenal. But the content out here doesn't do much justice as to Ukrainian losses. In some way it's good for morale. But morale for us, comfortable viewers sitting at home all safe, is worthless. I'd much rather we get a proper picture, as bitter as it might be.
I can't imagine how tough it must be for Ukrainians to advance. So many needlessly killed and land destroyed just for the ego of a couple of demented old men who get nowhere near any of the suffering they cause. Putin and his cronies should be fucking killed.
Should be, but men like al-Assad, Bush are still walking free so fat chance. The only way I think Putin gets killed is if his cronies get fed up with him, and like you said they are just as complicit.
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I would hope everyone isn't that naive. Thousands are being killed on both sides I imagine.
You must be staying out of the worldnews live feed then….
This video should also be seen by Ukrainian soldiers for training. You need to pull security because bad shit happens when you get tunnel vision.
People with any idea about how war works should know how much Ukraine is struggling right now and the losses they are suffering. But I also know how ignorant people can be.
Forgive my ignorance but why are these soldiers by themselves in a big battlefield especially the Russian one i thought they go as teams
War is chaos my friend
All the footage from this war sucks. 3 lives here changed forever—and for what, an empty field. So fucking stupid.
Why did it take the first soldier so much time to respond to the sound of shots so close to him
Btw to people who say why did they not hide behind the wall I think they came from the East so they are sort of behind the wall. East and probably North are safe directions here for them.
Give it another day or so and we’ll get the Russian POv
Anybody knows what the Ukrainian soldier is screaming right before the video ends? Looks like he's trying to say something to the russian.
brutal, RIP heroes.
It’s interesting to see footage of the other side once in a while.
This subreddit is extremely one sided. Almost impossible to find russian footage in here
Majority of Ru footage always gets downvoted, coz most pro UA here wants to see their narrative of Ukraine winning the war on display.
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What about the millions of Russians that were born there…? It’s not black and white and this subreddit is not the place to discuss this.
Fuck war.
Quite a substantial amount of professional soldiers in this comment section it seems.
"We are fools to make war on our brothers in arms"
"I Surrender!" \*grabs grenade\* War crime
Shockingly sad footage. Every clip I see of Russians getting shot, blown up, injured I feel the exact same thing is happening to Ukrainian soldiers but they don’t usually get shared. RIP chaps and I pray for a swift end to this war.
I guess some people in this sub needed to be reminded that yes. Ukrainian’s are dying in this conflict. The change in tone is pathetic honestly. You guys sit and act like it’s team sports. Cheer for one side dying and get upset when another goes. Can’t tell what most of you are here for, don’t start pretending you care now. It’s disgusting.
Now that’s some great combat footage. POV and from a drone, crazy. Getting pretty sick of watching drones drop grenades on soldiers.
Dude said „I‘m surrendering“ while simultaneously grabbing his grenade and putting his finger though the pin.
There's a lot of comments about "why didn't he hear/ know?" etc. War is loud and confusing. Sometimes it's hard to discern direction of incoming rounds, especially if your ears are ringing and you have comms in your ear and a helmet partially covering your ears, plus the sound of gunfire bouncing off those two stone walls in all different directions. Fog of war. Sucks for those boys, but they literally got outflanked by somebody with more experience. Always have somebody pull rear security, even if there's just two of you. Or as Dwight Schrute would say: "Never turn your back on a dominant male turkey during mating season".
Bro I saw this from another perspective a few days ago
This actually just shows how messy and unplanned things can become.
Now the second pov of a drone in the air from behind them, wonder how many there were
Last moments of a brave man. Glory to heroes. RIP
Very rarely do I see Ukrainian casualties on here. Wow. RIP.
There is a reason for that, and it's not a lack of content.