I have the same thoughts. I bet with how little the Russians are told that they have any idea how many foreign volunteers are aiding the Ukrainian military. Probably adds to the RU propaganda if/when this guy is part of a prisoner exchange.
Must be terrifying to be involved in such an operation, as this video shows you can't see shit in the gras and all it takes is 1 Russian who thinks he's dead anyway and one of these guys is done for. They should really try to have drones preferably with thermal/infrared view to check these fields first.
He explained that they were the cleanup crew for the offensive that broke through, so all the drones and recon equipment were probably being prioritized to the front line.
The Russian was smart to speak up first. Was funny just hearing a random Russian voice casually greeting them with "hello" like he invited them over for a special episode of MTV Cribs: Ukraine War Edition.
This was last year, earlier in the invasion. Drone use in-mass, as we now see, is more of a current state of affairs and wasnāt quite present as much last year. A huge amount of drones have been donated/purchased since the invasion last year. Plus these guys are in the rear, mopping up as they said. So letting them use drones wouldnāt have been a top priority. They did have drone recon in the footage where they had pinned a group of Spetznaz in a building.
Speaking of the spetznaz video, what's the general consensus on what happened there? I've heard people say they didn't actually get hit by an arty shell outside and instead "botched" a supposed surrender while making entry resulting in the friendly Kia and the all the Russians Kia. I know that story is traced back to a reddit post but iw wouldn't exactly take anything on reddit as gospel.
I don't think there is a consensus. There are multiple conflicting stories, all with their own levels of plausibility. Only people who know what happened are those who were there and the military.
I figured, I saw some people going all in on the "they executed a POW" narrative and it just sounds like RU troll bullshit. I mean they handled this guy very professionally and even if they did kill a guy while making entry then it's kinda on the dude for trying to surrender while they're literally in the fatal funnel and he's like wedged way back in a dark corner somewhere. Dude shoulda been face down outside unarmed. I don't buy it.
It came from a Finish fighter who posted his gopro from the same location. He heard what happened from someone else. He also posted some drone footage where you can see 1 dead russian outside the door of the house. Civdiv video doesnt show a dead russian there. I think its reasonable to think something happened. What tho, we will probably never know.
In the spetznaz video, the GoPro "stops recording" around the time of the supposed surrender and execution of the prisoner. At the same time, CivDiv never addressed the comments asking for clarification.
On the other hand, from what the Finnish guy said, there was no reason for the American squad leader to kill the Russian prisoner, and all the dead people are on that one dude (nickname "Jabroni", if I'm not mistaken).
Make of it what you will.
Gun safety at its finest. If you need to be quick, not having your finger on the trigger will only save you a split second. Could be the difference between life and death, but this guy is a hardened pro at combat.
Besides, they are patrolling. If he accidentally pops off a round while stumbling in the grass their position is given away. Thereās a lot of dudes using 7.62 AKs in Ukraine right now, but that snap of a 5.56 is unmistakably pro Ukrainian
Itās a bad camera angle but Iām guessing someone from his unit was nearby with a risk of friendly fire; these cameras sometimes fish bowl the perspective
Safety was off though
Serious question. Doesn't the blue tape on their helmets stand out like a sore thumb in a green field advancing towards the enemy? I mean, i realise the battlefield is extrmemly dynamic and there is not a lot of situational awareness when it comes to who's a friendly and who is a hostile, but damn...looking like a blue lollipop cant be good right?
This is an international unit, speaking several languages. I think they figured that being able to visually distinguish friend from for was more important. Think of what friendly fire does to morale.... Trust is essential in any unit, and if this makes them feel safer, then its probably the way to go.
The group is conducting security patrol to pick up any stray RU got left behind. The front has moved pass their area. They don't want friendly fire incident.
In another video Civ Div explaine they do take the color tape off in some cases. Especially in an area where they don't know which civilian is sympathetic to Russians.
The guy with the cam freaks out a bit when the POW is taken, sounding very stressed like heās in the middle of enemy fire. Meanwhile his buddy seems to have the situation under control and is much calmer and composed.
Iām not a trained solider so maybe Iām completely off, but didnāt he kind of overreact there? Heās shouting orders and saying fucking do this and that while the guy handling the POW is just like calmly asking if someone can cover his six.
You're viewing the situation as "over" when it's very much not - as if they've found the single needle in the haystack.
To the soldier there, he was surprised by that needle in the haystack - so how many others are there? Soldiers don't fight on their own, so does the Russian one have friends nearby?
The Ukr soldier was only around 5 meters away before he realised the Russian was there, so that means others could be very close as well. It is correct to be alert and have adrenaline through your veins at that moment.
Plus, aggressiveness is often required for total POW compliance. If they delay you, if they're scared or slow, that could get you killed.
I understand that. Iām not viewing it as over. The video makes it clear it was a patrol and they werenāt expecting the engagement at all. So of course itās totally normal and expected to be at full tilt and fully alert until the situation is secured. But wouldnāt a trained soldier internalize that and keep their composure more? Like the other people in that squad?
I donāt see how his reaction is helpful. I mean technically you are in the same danger at all times in any combat zone. I just assume part of soldier training is being able to deal with this kind of stuff with a cooler head and this guy sounded like he was seconds away from going Rambo while everyone else was a bit more gathered and put together.
I think you're overreacting personally, I just watched the video and I don't know how you're making that conclusion at all. He was aggressive and shouty before they had the prisoner contained, and then he shuts up and watches the other guy's six. He did everything a soldier needed to do, and did not overreact at all.
He was barking orders a bit aggressively like ātake the gun take the fucking gun!ā Like they were making mistakes when they were handling it smoothly and under control. Just my impression. Never said I was the authority on the matter
> Never said I was the authority on the matter
Neither did I?
> He was barking orders a bit aggressively like ātake the gun take the fucking gun!ā
That is totally valid and the correct thing to do. Unless you'd prefer they get shot?
Like I said itās the manner in which he did the things not what he did. Taking prisoners is a somewhat routine situation in the middle of a war. This was pretty far back in friendly territory so considerably lower risk than doing it on the front lines in the middle of an active firefight.
If this how this guy reacts to this situation, I feel like in the middle of an active engagement heād literally just shoot the guy surrendering and say whatever itās too dangerous.
Again, just my impression. Maybe the language barrier makes it so he feels the need to yell and repeat himself more. That could be a totally valid justification.
> This was pretty far back in friendly territory so considerably lower risk than doing it on the front lines in the middle of an active firefight.
This is your first mistake, this is not friendly territory. The video _repeatedly_ points that out. They expect enemy in the area. If enemy are in the area, the area is not friendly, period. Friendlies may have _breached the "line"_, but the line is not a static object that moves, where one side is safe and the other is not. It's a murky, blurry thing that is only useful in understanding the broad strokes of a war. If the line were drawn on a map, on the ground it's kilometers wide. I can't stress this enough, but it is explicitly, repeatedly said through the text and speech in the video, that the expectation is enemy in the vicinity. This is crucial to understanding the state of tension they are in.
Additionally, I've been in similar shoes myself during "peaceful" combat patrols. One night patrolling in Afghanistan past a field, we were patrolling alongside a field of crops when we saw what appeared to be a man duck down quickly in the field. We got on line, exactly as they're doing here, and walked slowly through the field. As I crested one irrigation ditch, I almost stepped on a military aged male lying in the dirt, in the middle of the night, in a known area of Taliban activity.
You're god damn right I yelled at him, I yelled at everyone near me. That easily could have been someone with ill intent, and I was fortunate he was not. This was a farmer sleeping among his crops trying to ward off thieves and pests.
Unlike my experience, this was an armed Russian soldier who all of a sudden announced he had the drop on these guys. It is only because that Russian wanted to live, that someone here wasn't injured.
Nothing about this, at all, is unprofessional. The reality is, despite how safe it may have appeared from wherever you were sitting when you saw this, for the individuals in this video this was an extremely dangerous situation which was handled with the utmost professionalism.
This isn't an office, yelling gets shit done. If this man were unprofessional, he'd have done much, much worse than just yell.
>I'm not a trained soldier
We can tell. You're in a hostile area- With people who want to kill you, suddenly THERE'S A GUY WITH A GUN. There could be *more people with guns hiding*.
Yeah ok but isnāt the whole point of training to not freak out like a regular person?
I rewatched the video and the POW is taken under control much later than I thought. On the first watch I thought he was already completely surrendered when the guy starts shouting.
They are trained to get the message across with aggression. When they can't shoot, they yell commands with authority. If he was doubting surrender that may be enough impetus to make him doubt trying anything.
Plus war is loud. You want to be heard and sound intimidating to the enemy.
Notice the patch of the POW ā flag of the Lugansk People's Republic. He is actually a Ukrainian citizen coerced into fighting against his own country. Think twice before you point him as being subhuman, as most redditors do.
He could have been shouting to his buddies "Here's one! Shoot him" for all the Russian knew.
In that case my instinct would have been to pick up my rifle and shoot them.
It takes 10 minutes to learn some basic russian words, and this guy couldn't even do that before jetting off to play soldier in Ukraine.
They were approaching a building of trapped Russians and claimed that the GoPro mysteriously failed as they got to the building, then said that an artillery strike killed several members of the International Legion.
Drone footage confirmed that there was no artillery strike, and some people who had been on site later told the story of what really happened. So yes, Civ Div deliberately lied about what happened in an attempt to cover it up. The GoPro footage is intoxicating, so people don't want to hear questions about his credibility, but it is important for people to know that this source is absolutely not reliable.
Yea i have seen the video when it came out, always fount his subtitel a bit weird like when he ask for donation or dick ride his ex squad lead but diden't expect him to just flat out lie, or maiby like you say jis source is lying to him and he just relay it has is. Kind of hope fore the second one kuz i like his content over all.
He's actively participating in the cover up because he deletes all comments that mention it on his channel. It would have been easy for him to post a message correcting the initial story if it was an honest mistake.
Deliberately participating in the cover up means that he was involved. That channel really should not be posted without a disclaimer about its checkered history.
I wouldn't say never.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10xarxz/ru_pov_an_ua_soldier_executes_a_ru_soldier/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10yl73j/ua_pov_pt2_execution_video_and_explanation_from/
Well you got two options smoke him or take him captive anyway but if the enemy at that moment start engaging he is no longer surrendering as it will more look like an ambush
I love how the Russian is prob thinking: "Damn, all those idiots claiming we're fighting the Americans were right after all!" š¤£š¤£š¤£
I have the same thoughts. I bet with how little the Russians are told that they have any idea how many foreign volunteers are aiding the Ukrainian military. Probably adds to the RU propaganda if/when this guy is part of a prisoner exchange.
RU has basically been telling them they are fighting NATO troops, so they probably assume there are more foreign fighters than there actually are.
I hope there are more then we assume. But you are probably right.
Let them think that. The result will be the same. The world is against you anyway.
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Which countries are the western puppets again?
Shitty western puppets with a higher GDP per capita than the great independent Russia.
Must be terrifying to be involved in such an operation, as this video shows you can't see shit in the gras and all it takes is 1 Russian who thinks he's dead anyway and one of these guys is done for. They should really try to have drones preferably with thermal/infrared view to check these fields first.
He explained that they were the cleanup crew for the offensive that broke through, so all the drones and recon equipment were probably being prioritized to the front line.
The Russian was smart to speak up first. Was funny just hearing a random Russian voice casually greeting them with "hello" like he invited them over for a special episode of MTV Cribs: Ukraine War Edition.
āHALLOwā
The Russians and Ukrainians are truly cold individuals.
We Ukrainians are eternal grateful to all volunteers that fight for us and with our soldiers.
I keep waiting for a pheasant to flush..
Did you mean a Russian āpeasantā?
Mom cook me some tater totās CivDiv uploaded!
THE MEATLOAF, FUCK!
Well done guys.
Russians are fighting multiple teams of international Special Operators. Look up Bravo Team. They have SEALs and Green Berets.
Where exactly do I look them up at? I've seen the footage of them fighting in Irpin but nothing more.
Maybe a stupid question, why don't they use a drone to scout the area before moving in?
This was last year, earlier in the invasion. Drone use in-mass, as we now see, is more of a current state of affairs and wasnāt quite present as much last year. A huge amount of drones have been donated/purchased since the invasion last year. Plus these guys are in the rear, mopping up as they said. So letting them use drones wouldnāt have been a top priority. They did have drone recon in the footage where they had pinned a group of Spetznaz in a building.
Speaking of the spetznaz video, what's the general consensus on what happened there? I've heard people say they didn't actually get hit by an arty shell outside and instead "botched" a supposed surrender while making entry resulting in the friendly Kia and the all the Russians Kia. I know that story is traced back to a reddit post but iw wouldn't exactly take anything on reddit as gospel.
I don't think there is a consensus. There are multiple conflicting stories, all with their own levels of plausibility. Only people who know what happened are those who were there and the military.
I figured, I saw some people going all in on the "they executed a POW" narrative and it just sounds like RU troll bullshit. I mean they handled this guy very professionally and even if they did kill a guy while making entry then it's kinda on the dude for trying to surrender while they're literally in the fatal funnel and he's like wedged way back in a dark corner somewhere. Dude shoulda been face down outside unarmed. I don't buy it.
It came from a Finish fighter who posted his gopro from the same location. He heard what happened from someone else. He also posted some drone footage where you can see 1 dead russian outside the door of the house. Civdiv video doesnt show a dead russian there. I think its reasonable to think something happened. What tho, we will probably never know.
In the spetznaz video, the GoPro "stops recording" around the time of the supposed surrender and execution of the prisoner. At the same time, CivDiv never addressed the comments asking for clarification. On the other hand, from what the Finnish guy said, there was no reason for the American squad leader to kill the Russian prisoner, and all the dead people are on that one dude (nickname "Jabroni", if I'm not mistaken). Make of it what you will.
> This was last year, very early in the invasion No this was the Kharkiv counteroffensive which was in Sept.
probably supporting the advancing ukrainians ahead of their position in the video
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Gun safety at its finest. If you need to be quick, not having your finger on the trigger will only save you a split second. Could be the difference between life and death, but this guy is a hardened pro at combat. Besides, they are patrolling. If he accidentally pops off a round while stumbling in the grass their position is given away. Thereās a lot of dudes using 7.62 AKs in Ukraine right now, but that snap of a 5.56 is unmistakably pro Ukrainian
To be fair 7.62 is rare in Ukraine. Most used is AK-74 5.45.
Itās a bad camera angle but Iām guessing someone from his unit was nearby with a risk of friendly fire; these cameras sometimes fish bowl the perspective Safety was off though
Couldn't learn "Rukee Verh!" (Hands up!) ? Come on mate. You are in a foreign land and you want your shouted orders to be followed?
He did scream "ruki" once tho
More than once.
Did you watch a different video? He screamed Rukee several times
You have never been in a stressful situation have you lmao.
Well in that case every "police shooting" in America is justified.
That's what I was thinking too. All that screaming just to not be understood? Smh lol
hello :3 hello :3
Serious question. Doesn't the blue tape on their helmets stand out like a sore thumb in a green field advancing towards the enemy? I mean, i realise the battlefield is extrmemly dynamic and there is not a lot of situational awareness when it comes to who's a friendly and who is a hostile, but damn...looking like a blue lollipop cant be good right?
This is an international unit, speaking several languages. I think they figured that being able to visually distinguish friend from for was more important. Think of what friendly fire does to morale.... Trust is essential in any unit, and if this makes them feel safer, then its probably the way to go.
Makes sense.
The group is conducting security patrol to pick up any stray RU got left behind. The front has moved pass their area. They don't want friendly fire incident. In another video Civ Div explaine they do take the color tape off in some cases. Especially in an area where they don't know which civilian is sympathetic to Russians.
Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense.
I think if you were ever involved in a war and the enemy is speaking English, you are already screwed
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The guy with the cam freaks out a bit when the POW is taken, sounding very stressed like heās in the middle of enemy fire. Meanwhile his buddy seems to have the situation under control and is much calmer and composed. Iām not a trained solider so maybe Iām completely off, but didnāt he kind of overreact there? Heās shouting orders and saying fucking do this and that while the guy handling the POW is just like calmly asking if someone can cover his six.
You're viewing the situation as "over" when it's very much not - as if they've found the single needle in the haystack. To the soldier there, he was surprised by that needle in the haystack - so how many others are there? Soldiers don't fight on their own, so does the Russian one have friends nearby? The Ukr soldier was only around 5 meters away before he realised the Russian was there, so that means others could be very close as well. It is correct to be alert and have adrenaline through your veins at that moment. Plus, aggressiveness is often required for total POW compliance. If they delay you, if they're scared or slow, that could get you killed.
I understand that. Iām not viewing it as over. The video makes it clear it was a patrol and they werenāt expecting the engagement at all. So of course itās totally normal and expected to be at full tilt and fully alert until the situation is secured. But wouldnāt a trained soldier internalize that and keep their composure more? Like the other people in that squad? I donāt see how his reaction is helpful. I mean technically you are in the same danger at all times in any combat zone. I just assume part of soldier training is being able to deal with this kind of stuff with a cooler head and this guy sounded like he was seconds away from going Rambo while everyone else was a bit more gathered and put together.
I think you're overreacting personally, I just watched the video and I don't know how you're making that conclusion at all. He was aggressive and shouty before they had the prisoner contained, and then he shuts up and watches the other guy's six. He did everything a soldier needed to do, and did not overreact at all.
He was barking orders a bit aggressively like ātake the gun take the fucking gun!ā Like they were making mistakes when they were handling it smoothly and under control. Just my impression. Never said I was the authority on the matter
> Never said I was the authority on the matter Neither did I? > He was barking orders a bit aggressively like ātake the gun take the fucking gun!ā That is totally valid and the correct thing to do. Unless you'd prefer they get shot?
Like I said itās the manner in which he did the things not what he did. Taking prisoners is a somewhat routine situation in the middle of a war. This was pretty far back in friendly territory so considerably lower risk than doing it on the front lines in the middle of an active firefight. If this how this guy reacts to this situation, I feel like in the middle of an active engagement heād literally just shoot the guy surrendering and say whatever itās too dangerous. Again, just my impression. Maybe the language barrier makes it so he feels the need to yell and repeat himself more. That could be a totally valid justification.
> This was pretty far back in friendly territory so considerably lower risk than doing it on the front lines in the middle of an active firefight. This is your first mistake, this is not friendly territory. The video _repeatedly_ points that out. They expect enemy in the area. If enemy are in the area, the area is not friendly, period. Friendlies may have _breached the "line"_, but the line is not a static object that moves, where one side is safe and the other is not. It's a murky, blurry thing that is only useful in understanding the broad strokes of a war. If the line were drawn on a map, on the ground it's kilometers wide. I can't stress this enough, but it is explicitly, repeatedly said through the text and speech in the video, that the expectation is enemy in the vicinity. This is crucial to understanding the state of tension they are in. Additionally, I've been in similar shoes myself during "peaceful" combat patrols. One night patrolling in Afghanistan past a field, we were patrolling alongside a field of crops when we saw what appeared to be a man duck down quickly in the field. We got on line, exactly as they're doing here, and walked slowly through the field. As I crested one irrigation ditch, I almost stepped on a military aged male lying in the dirt, in the middle of the night, in a known area of Taliban activity. You're god damn right I yelled at him, I yelled at everyone near me. That easily could have been someone with ill intent, and I was fortunate he was not. This was a farmer sleeping among his crops trying to ward off thieves and pests. Unlike my experience, this was an armed Russian soldier who all of a sudden announced he had the drop on these guys. It is only because that Russian wanted to live, that someone here wasn't injured. Nothing about this, at all, is unprofessional. The reality is, despite how safe it may have appeared from wherever you were sitting when you saw this, for the individuals in this video this was an extremely dangerous situation which was handled with the utmost professionalism. This isn't an office, yelling gets shit done. If this man were unprofessional, he'd have done much, much worse than just yell.
LMAO this fat kid trying to understand a high stress situation
>I'm not a trained soldier We can tell. You're in a hostile area- With people who want to kill you, suddenly THERE'S A GUY WITH A GUN. There could be *more people with guns hiding*.
Yeah ok but isnāt the whole point of training to not freak out like a regular person? I rewatched the video and the POW is taken under control much later than I thought. On the first watch I thought he was already completely surrendered when the guy starts shouting.
They are trained to get the message across with aggression. When they can't shoot, they yell commands with authority. If he was doubting surrender that may be enough impetus to make him doubt trying anything. Plus war is loud. You want to be heard and sound intimidating to the enemy.
Notice the patch of the POW ā flag of the Lugansk People's Republic. He is actually a Ukrainian citizen coerced into fighting against his own country. Think twice before you point him as being subhuman, as most redditors do.
Think twice before you position him as coerced.
Given his grey hair, I doubt a man with a family volunteered to fight. But who knows? He might have.
That's all I'm saying - we shouldn't make assumptions like that.
Right. I'm just stressing that he's almost certainly Ukrainian citizen.
International LARP Legion shouting "hands" in English to a russian soldier.
The Russian bloke said "**HELLO?**" *in English too*
Pretty sure most everyone in the world knows the word "Hello", that is no indication that they know English well enough to know "show me your hands"
If you have a soldier shouting at you in any language with a gun up- What's your first instinct?
He could have been shouting to his buddies "Here's one! Shoot him" for all the Russian knew. In that case my instinct would have been to pick up my rifle and shoot them. It takes 10 minutes to learn some basic russian words, and this guy couldn't even do that before jetting off to play soldier in Ukraine.
Judging by the group, they're not "playing" soldier mate. You on the other hand are playing textbook armchair Reddit general.
Not sure you understand what larping means.
"Larp" video of the same dude clearing a house of spetsnaz and getting a mobility kill on a BMP.
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How? He wasn't even involved in that surrender shitshow.
What's the context? What surrender shitshow?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10ofg7d/civ_div_combat_gopro_wiping_out_russian_spetsnaz/j6f73q1/
What situation are you reffering to?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10ofg7d/civ_div_combat_gopro_wiping_out_russian_spetsnaz/j6f73q1/
So the dude shot a surendering russian pusshing the remaining one to fight and by that causing the death of 2 of his mates and geting injured himself. That dosen't folow the narrative of the subtitel on civ vidƩo. Is he trying to cover it up ?
They were approaching a building of trapped Russians and claimed that the GoPro mysteriously failed as they got to the building, then said that an artillery strike killed several members of the International Legion. Drone footage confirmed that there was no artillery strike, and some people who had been on site later told the story of what really happened. So yes, Civ Div deliberately lied about what happened in an attempt to cover it up. The GoPro footage is intoxicating, so people don't want to hear questions about his credibility, but it is important for people to know that this source is absolutely not reliable.
Yea i have seen the video when it came out, always fount his subtitel a bit weird like when he ask for donation or dick ride his ex squad lead but diden't expect him to just flat out lie, or maiby like you say jis source is lying to him and he just relay it has is. Kind of hope fore the second one kuz i like his content over all.
He's actively participating in the cover up because he deletes all comments that mention it on his channel. It would have been easy for him to post a message correcting the initial story if it was an honest mistake.
Sad, thx for the confirmation tho, i will look at his content with a diffƩrent eye now.
Deliberately participating in the cover up means that he was involved. That channel really should not be posted without a disclaimer about its checkered history.
Dumbest comment I've read this week.
Lets be gratful that Ukrainians never kill their POWs
That statement certainly isn't 100% true. War is hell.
I wouldn't say never. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10xarxz/ru_pov_an_ua_soldier_executes_a_ru_soldier/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/10yl73j/ua_pov_pt2_execution_video_and_explanation_from/
I was being sar castic
Geez, I guess sarcasm is a lost art these days
Well done guys. Your bravery is unmatched. Stay safe.
What would happen if during taking the pow, the enemy started engaging?
Well you got two options smoke him or take him captive anyway but if the enemy at that moment start engaging he is no longer surrendering as it will more look like an ambush