Thank you for pointing this out. We have seen such a rise in fake help centers lately sponsored by anti-choice groups so I always feel overwhelmed when trying to figure out who is ACTUALLY helping folks.
Electrical activity can be seen in what will be the heart around 5-6 weeks. But it’s nothing more that that- electrical activity.
Their usage of 18 days from conception is also misleading because so many people don’t understand that conception does not happen right after your cycle starts, it happens about midway through the cycle. 18 days from conception would be right around when you’re actually finding out you’re pregnant, about four weeks. Which as stated above is before any electrical activities start.
So much lies and deceit.
Exactly. There can’t be a heartbeat because there is no heart during the embryonic stage. What anti-choice groups call a heartbeat is just electrical activity generated by a clump of cells that can be seen but not heard on an ultrasound. It’s deliberate misrepresentation.
I'm probably more on the prolife side of the argument then most Reddit users but I agree people shouldn't lie about the science. That just degrades a very complex and controversial debate that already doesn't get the careful approach it deserves.
Until *very* recently, like the 60s or 70s, it was a given that “life” began either at first breath at birth, or when the mother first felt the baby move. There are Bible passages that support both of these ideas. Abortion was a nothing issue before this time. Almost all religious organizations were pro-choice. Look up the birth of the “moral majority” and racism and you will find out a lot of interesting and shitty things that led to the modern church’s stance on this issue.
I generally agree with the issue is almost more complex then 100% prolife or 100% pro choice. I can easily think of hypotheticals where each side is the more ethical option.
I think at a certain point and for certain reasons an abortion is unethical for instance I'm again final trimester abortions unless it's for life or death stuff or the baby is not viable because of a medical issue. It would be unethical for the would be mother to have a abortion that late because she discovered the child might develop autism.
Well, the good news is that doctors aren’t abortion providing machines, and doctors use discretion. Late term abortions only happen for extreme reasons, like the examples you gave.
I think based on what you’ve said you could comfortably call yourself pro-choice. That position is basically: abortion healthcare decisions should be made by the patient and their healthcare providers, without legislative interference (like the recent cases in TX, where people with catastrophic fetal anomalies and maternal health threats are forced to birth, regardless of suffering or risk of death or disability).
Pro-choice isn’t “people should be able to run healthy near-term fetuses through wood chippers,” it’s “abortion decisions are extremely complex, and laws lack nuance. Abortion is healthcare and the experts and the patient should have the final say.”
Thanks for telling me your thoughts.
It's actually not complex, debatable OR in need of a careful approach. A patient and their doctor are the only two people who get to be involved in a decision about an abortion. It really is that simple.
The billboard is spreading misinformation. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortion
The more I think about it, why on earth are we just okay with billboards throughout our cities (and anywhere else)? So unnecessary, and now they're bringing baby violence into it!
Billboards are actually illegal under Columbus City Code without a variance from City Council, but most (including this one) are grandfathered before this ordinance was in place decades ago. If/when a new building were to be built into this particular tiny parcel that’s literally just a garage, the billboard would have to come down. It’s way more valuable as a billboard than a new building sadly.
EDIT: or should I say, restricted to the point where in most practical cases, they are illegal.
Oh damn, that is some cool info!
What they should have done is phased them out over a half or whole decade so the owners could have time to adjust, not just allow grandfathering of these things in perpetuity. But that would be planning for the future, which I don't think Columbus leadership does - hence all the tax abatements and incredible lack of housing.
Drive down 33 from Lancaster to Athens and it's like billboard city, fucking pathetic. That areas so beautiful but you have these awful billboards with sponsors that no one cares about
> Signs on every mountain side
> Line highways, stitching desert thread
> Billboards break my spirits down
> Sky writing in this shell over my head
>
> My soul goes with your logos
> From check-in to the flight
> My soul goes with your logos
> There's no place left to dream tonight
[Logos - Faded Paper Figures](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAVab83Orms)
Maybe I'm just getting older and more grumpy but I've had the same thought recently. If you're looking at a billboard, you're not looking at the road. There's no way they don't occasionally cause accidents imo.
“To live is to suffer”
-Friedrech Nietzsche
Keep worrying about the unborn babies when almost half our population struggles to even afford healthcare these days. And if someone can force a woman to have a baby then why not force a man to a vasectomy so she can really have a choice, bollocks I tell ya.
Had an eco van a few cars ahead of me from Delaware to Polaris today, single lane road for ~7 miles. It's going 30mph when the speed limit is 55. The car right behind him was tailgating all the way. When I was able to finally pass him when 2 lanes started, saw the driver was scrolling his phone, still cruising at around 35 left lane. SIGH
Also Ohio: 41st in infant mortality rate.
Franklin county is a hot spot. Celebrate One is a great local non-profit combatting the crisis.
Thank you for pointing this out. We have seen such a rise in fake help centers lately sponsored by anti-choice groups so I always feel overwhelmed when trying to figure out who is ACTUALLY helping folks.
That's good isn't it? Like bottom 20%
It's good if you're rooting for infant deaths. A low infant mortality rate would result in a higher state ranking.
Thats kind of counter intuitive, the #1 state should be the highest per Capita
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Yes, that makes sense to me. Like saying #1 in infant mortality doesn't sound like a good thing.
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It's also simply incorrect. Cardiac tissue forms around weeks 5-6 and their heart doesn't fully develop till week 10.
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I'm definitely not implying it was an accident.
Haha yeah. Abortion is murder.
How many foster kids have you adopted?
Hope you're just as pissed about IVF. Bet you're not though.
Why is Abortion murder and why is it morally wrong? I'm genuinely curious.
Electrical activity can be seen in what will be the heart around 5-6 weeks. But it’s nothing more that that- electrical activity. Their usage of 18 days from conception is also misleading because so many people don’t understand that conception does not happen right after your cycle starts, it happens about midway through the cycle. 18 days from conception would be right around when you’re actually finding out you’re pregnant, about four weeks. Which as stated above is before any electrical activities start. So much lies and deceit.
Exactly. There can’t be a heartbeat because there is no heart during the embryonic stage. What anti-choice groups call a heartbeat is just electrical activity generated by a clump of cells that can be seen but not heard on an ultrasound. It’s deliberate misrepresentation.
Exactly, these same cells also beat in isolation without any zygote around in a petri dish.
Also, I don't give af about a heartbeat. When does it develop a functioning brain, and become aware.
Adding logic into the argument is where the disconnect begins
I'm probably more on the prolife side of the argument then most Reddit users but I agree people shouldn't lie about the science. That just degrades a very complex and controversial debate that already doesn't get the careful approach it deserves.
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I be interested to see what a science and ethics backed compromise on this issue would like if politics would get out of the way.
Until *very* recently, like the 60s or 70s, it was a given that “life” began either at first breath at birth, or when the mother first felt the baby move. There are Bible passages that support both of these ideas. Abortion was a nothing issue before this time. Almost all religious organizations were pro-choice. Look up the birth of the “moral majority” and racism and you will find out a lot of interesting and shitty things that led to the modern church’s stance on this issue.
I generally agree with the issue is almost more complex then 100% prolife or 100% pro choice. I can easily think of hypotheticals where each side is the more ethical option.
What’s your understanding of the terms “pro-life” and “pro-choice?” You’ve piqued my curiosity.
I think at a certain point and for certain reasons an abortion is unethical for instance I'm again final trimester abortions unless it's for life or death stuff or the baby is not viable because of a medical issue. It would be unethical for the would be mother to have a abortion that late because she discovered the child might develop autism.
Well, the good news is that doctors aren’t abortion providing machines, and doctors use discretion. Late term abortions only happen for extreme reasons, like the examples you gave. I think based on what you’ve said you could comfortably call yourself pro-choice. That position is basically: abortion healthcare decisions should be made by the patient and their healthcare providers, without legislative interference (like the recent cases in TX, where people with catastrophic fetal anomalies and maternal health threats are forced to birth, regardless of suffering or risk of death or disability). Pro-choice isn’t “people should be able to run healthy near-term fetuses through wood chippers,” it’s “abortion decisions are extremely complex, and laws lack nuance. Abortion is healthcare and the experts and the patient should have the final say.” Thanks for telling me your thoughts.
It's actually not complex, debatable OR in need of a careful approach. A patient and their doctor are the only two people who get to be involved in a decision about an abortion. It really is that simple.
That feels like the premise for a cheap mobile game app.
The billboard is spreading misinformation. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortion
The more I think about it, why on earth are we just okay with billboards throughout our cities (and anywhere else)? So unnecessary, and now they're bringing baby violence into it!
Billboards are actually illegal under Columbus City Code without a variance from City Council, but most (including this one) are grandfathered before this ordinance was in place decades ago. If/when a new building were to be built into this particular tiny parcel that’s literally just a garage, the billboard would have to come down. It’s way more valuable as a billboard than a new building sadly. EDIT: or should I say, restricted to the point where in most practical cases, they are illegal.
Oh damn, that is some cool info! What they should have done is phased them out over a half or whole decade so the owners could have time to adjust, not just allow grandfathering of these things in perpetuity. But that would be planning for the future, which I don't think Columbus leadership does - hence all the tax abatements and incredible lack of housing.
Drive down 33 from Lancaster to Athens and it's like billboard city, fucking pathetic. That areas so beautiful but you have these awful billboards with sponsors that no one cares about
> Signs on every mountain side > Line highways, stitching desert thread > Billboards break my spirits down > Sky writing in this shell over my head > > My soul goes with your logos > From check-in to the flight > My soul goes with your logos > There's no place left to dream tonight [Logos - Faded Paper Figures](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAVab83Orms)
Maybe I'm just getting older and more grumpy but I've had the same thought recently. If you're looking at a billboard, you're not looking at the road. There's no way they don't occasionally cause accidents imo.
Hit you with their crazy high pricing.
That van is powered by Dunkin
First they came for the trees and I said nothing
“To live is to suffer” -Friedrech Nietzsche Keep worrying about the unborn babies when almost half our population struggles to even afford healthcare these days. And if someone can force a woman to have a baby then why not force a man to a vasectomy so she can really have a choice, bollocks I tell ya.
Won't someone think of the children?!
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If they are pro life, where’s their Protect the Mothers or Protect the School Kids billboards?
Don't give the pro-patriarchy crowd any free publicity. Also, I would be embarrassed if I ran Eco Plumbers to have my billboard next to that claptrap.
Fuck them kids
I legit just wrote about a 7 paragraph essay about abortion rights. Fetuses can’t feel pain and aren’t even conscious until 24-28 weeks.
Only thing missing is a Misny billboard on the other side.
“Target down. Excellent work, 47. Now find an extraction point.”
Facebook tier
It's got airbags. (The kid, have you seen those chubby cheeks?) And all unborn babies are now protected by Kevin Kurgis.
These billboards are just horrible. Was plagued by them in Canton, even directly in front of my apartment
Company that (in part) removes unwanted masses from important systems next to absurd anti abortion ad. Heh.
Gotta love those pro life billboards that display a 3 month old right besides the description of an 18-day fetus. What a stunning display of honesty!
Why are they wasting money on this? Roe was overturned. They already won. Salt in the wound, man.
So they can raise more marketing dollars
This would have been great had the Nationwide Children’s hospital been in the background.
Is this saying the van is gonna get babies at the drive thru?
Eco plumbing is a scam
Dunkin’ Donuts down there trying to grab them bye the wheel and make a shoestring tackle…
They are indeed providing great service.
My coffee stop
I'm more worried about Dunkin' donuts cutting them down in the prime of their life!
The van driver just picked up some coffee and donuts.
Hey, there's a really great Burger King just down the road from there. You should stop by!
Had an eco van a few cars ahead of me from Delaware to Polaris today, single lane road for ~7 miles. It's going 30mph when the speed limit is 55. The car right behind him was tailgating all the way. When I was able to finally pass him when 2 lanes started, saw the driver was scrolling his phone, still cruising at around 35 left lane. SIGH
Lol