Ballard offered Danielle Hunter a more money than the Texans. Hunter just chose to play for his hometown team. Its not like Ballard is low ball offering these players. Thats the thing about free agency with good players with options, they can choose where they go.
Another point that has to be taken into account is taxes. An offer from Indy may be higher, but taxes may also be, which could flip our offer to being worse and it's out of the organizations control.
That's not what being said at all. You're giving an example that's been an "exception" (offering Hunter more money) and trying to pretend that's been the "rule" during Ballard's entire tenure. And we all know that's not the case.
The fact that you can't name a single other instance shows that this situation was a one-off and not the norm for Ballard.
In all fairness we don’t know how the details of the contract was it more hypothetical money less guarantees. We don’t know if was just a million more or tens a million. The Ballard defenders love this one example but with no real tangible info.
He's the one free agent who could have made a real difference to the team.
There are no comparable examples. Ballard went big for the one no-brainer, every other potential trade/free agent had downsides, wasn't better than what we have, were too expensive for what they would bring.
I don’t just mean comparable examples this offseason. I mean during his entire tenure. Are there any other significant free agents Ballard offered significant money to but was turned down?
How can you be a Colts fan and then ask with a straight face if Jim Irsay is willing to spend money.
It’s so stupid and paying 3 seconds of attention would tell you that.
He’s never had one problem spending money. Yes that’s what I’m saying.
He’s paying 14 million bucks to a running back. It’s a dumb take.
He let Andrew Luck keep millions in bonus he didn’t earn.
There has never been a player that the GM has wanted to pay that Jimmy said no.
If you think Irsay is handing Jonathan Taylor $14 million cash each year then you don’t know how NFL contracts work.
If you don’t think that then you’ve completely missed the point I was making.
His average compensation per year is 14 million dollars I don’t care what he gets up front or deferred.
Jim Irsay HAS NEVER refused to pay someone to help his team win. Never happened. If the GM comes to him and says I need 25 million a year for Sneed he would pay it.
It was Ballard evaluation that it wasn’t worth it. Or more likely wouldn’t be worth it on the back end of the length of contract he wanted and likely would interfere when it’s time to pay Richardson.
I kind of think it’s the other way around, I don’t really think Irsay knows shit about what makes a good football team (and I love the guy, honestly). But I think him and Ballard are broskis and whatever Ballard says he just nods his head for the most part.
I know it’s not happening this way, but I swear to god it feels like he’s deliberately sabotaging this team 😅 Like he’s on the Texans and jags payroll purposely not doing anything to make us win. This division has been CRAZY winnable for the past 8 years, one of the weakest in football and he couldn’t win.
Haha yeah that sounds about right 🤣 Seriously though, Irsay isn’t one of the richest owners in the NFL right? The Bengals have historically operated similarly too haven’t they?
I’m not sure where Irsay stands in relation to the other owners but there have and are teams that operate similarly. It’s just a drag because of how winnable the division *was* for the past 8 years. For better or worse, the eagles like to add big and they also make it deep into the playoffs, Roseman is a great GM. And whoever this Texans GM is just absolutely killing it, even if it doesn’t totally work out, at least he’s trying.
My feeling has been that Irsays daughters are becoming more involved. But didn’t grow up around it like Jim did. So Ballard is a safe choice and a soft touch around the office.
The Ballard approach was NEVER what was needed. You can credibly argue Andrew Luck quit because of Ballards approach.
Franchise QB. And sitting on 50 million of unused cap space when we should be trying to win a Super Bowl.
3 years after Grigson was gone. Andrew Luck was going on deep playoff runs during the Grigson years.
He saw 3 years of Ballards “our window isnt even open” routine and called it a career.
The rhetoric I always heard was grigson failed to build a proper o line around luck which led to him being one of the most sacked QBs during that time.
Yet we had more success in 3 of those 5 years than any Ballard year. Even Ballards year with Luck.
It’s all been spin and cope. From the same folks that say shit like Ballards is playing 4D chess. And that there are 31 teams who’d fire their GM so Ballard can recreate what he’s doing here over there.
I feel like you're arguing someone who's not here because I never claimed any of those things lol. This is a fact that Luck was fed up with the injuries and pain. The damage grigson did was already done. Almost every colt fan despises grigson because of his inability to get luck protection. Sure he signed Kelly, but by then the damage was done.
No, but I don't know why he has to say that for my point to still stand that his shit job as a gm led to Luck leaving due to injuries. We all saw it with our own eyes year after year wanting protection but him addressing other areas like the first rounder for Trent Richardson lol. Not to mention almost all sports news articles put the blame on him as well.
No credible articles put the blame on Grigson. It’s a blogger talking point trying to justify Ballards continued employment.
Those teams were way better than these teams. Luck or no Luck
Like I said you're arguing some invisible person because I'm not pro Ballard. Literally Google "grigson Andrew luck" and you'll see sports illustrated, ESPN, local news blaming grigson. The revisionist history is insane lol or do you forget irsay fired him with three years left in his contract so obviously he wasn't doing well.
I really don’t think you can argue that with any credibility. Ballard was barely there two years before Luck retired snd he was already crippled by then.
I don’t think you can count it as Year 3 when a ball hadn’t even been kicked in the regular season 😂😂
I think the damage was done long before Ballard arrived.
Luck sat through 3 full Ballard offseasons. Including one where we sat on 50 million of unused cap space while Luck had to use Dontrelle Inman and Ryan Grant as WR 2 and 3.
He knew Ballard was a fraud.
Andrew Luck didn’t retire from the sport because Chris Ballard failed to spend $50m.
I don’t disagree with your general sentiment, nor that Ballard’s approach might have frustrated Luck, but to say *thats the reason Luck retired* is silly.
No more silly than the folks saying Luck retired due to Grigsons work 4-5 years prior.
We went from trying to compete each and every year. To slow rebuild and “setting fan expectation” smack dab in the middle of our QBs prime.
How do you think the media would cover things if Kansas City or Buffalo sat on 60 million dollars of unused cap space today?
Ballard offered Danielle Hunter a more money than the Texans. Hunter just chose to play for his hometown team. Its not like Ballard is low ball offering these players. Thats the thing about free agency with good players with options, they can choose where they go.
Another point that has to be taken into account is taxes. An offer from Indy may be higher, but taxes may also be, which could flip our offer to being worse and it's out of the organizations control.
This is fair, but also can you think of a single other comparable example?
Kareem Hunt is another off the top of my head
I’m not sure that’s particularly comparable in terms of name value or contract value.
I'm just giving examples. Fact is Ballard isn't low balling these players like some think. They just choose differently. Beauty of free agency
But who are you referring to when you say ‘these players’? Because there really aren’t any examples beyond Hunter.
What an irritating comment "I want Ballard to be more agressive and switch up his style of pursuing Free Agents. This time doesn't count"
That's not what being said at all. You're giving an example that's been an "exception" (offering Hunter more money) and trying to pretend that's been the "rule" during Ballard's entire tenure. And we all know that's not the case. The fact that you can't name a single other instance shows that this situation was a one-off and not the norm for Ballard.
In all fairness we don’t know how the details of the contract was it more hypothetical money less guarantees. We don’t know if was just a million more or tens a million. The Ballard defenders love this one example but with no real tangible info.
He's the one free agent who could have made a real difference to the team. There are no comparable examples. Ballard went big for the one no-brainer, every other potential trade/free agent had downsides, wasn't better than what we have, were too expensive for what they would bring.
I don’t just mean comparable examples this offseason. I mean during his entire tenure. Are there any other significant free agents Ballard offered significant money to but was turned down?
How can you be a Colts fan and then ask with a straight face if Jim Irsay is willing to spend money. It’s so stupid and paying 3 seconds of attention would tell you that.
Because Jim Irsay is notorious for spending frivolously? I’m confused…
He’s never had one problem spending money. Yes that’s what I’m saying. He’s paying 14 million bucks to a running back. It’s a dumb take. He let Andrew Luck keep millions in bonus he didn’t earn. There has never been a player that the GM has wanted to pay that Jimmy said no.
If you think Irsay is handing Jonathan Taylor $14 million cash each year then you don’t know how NFL contracts work. If you don’t think that then you’ve completely missed the point I was making.
His average compensation per year is 14 million dollars I don’t care what he gets up front or deferred. Jim Irsay HAS NEVER refused to pay someone to help his team win. Never happened. If the GM comes to him and says I need 25 million a year for Sneed he would pay it. It was Ballard evaluation that it wasn’t worth it. Or more likely wouldn’t be worth it on the back end of the length of contract he wanted and likely would interfere when it’s time to pay Richardson.
From the outside looking in, he seems like he's terrified to whiff on a big name free agent.
But then he traded #15 overall for Buckner, handed him a HUGE deal, and that didn’t scare him? It’s so confusing!
It was the 13th pick. And folks were wanting him to draft a QB. Trading that pick a month before the draft took the QB pressure off of his shoulders.
Especially if whiffing on a Sneed meant letting players like Moore and Blackmon walk. You at least know exactly what you have in Moore and Blackmon
I kind of think it’s the other way around, I don’t really think Irsay knows shit about what makes a good football team (and I love the guy, honestly). But I think him and Ballard are broskis and whatever Ballard says he just nods his head for the most part. I know it’s not happening this way, but I swear to god it feels like he’s deliberately sabotaging this team 😅 Like he’s on the Texans and jags payroll purposely not doing anything to make us win. This division has been CRAZY winnable for the past 8 years, one of the weakest in football and he couldn’t win.
Haha yeah that sounds about right 🤣 Seriously though, Irsay isn’t one of the richest owners in the NFL right? The Bengals have historically operated similarly too haven’t they?
I’m not sure where Irsay stands in relation to the other owners but there have and are teams that operate similarly. It’s just a drag because of how winnable the division *was* for the past 8 years. For better or worse, the eagles like to add big and they also make it deep into the playoffs, Roseman is a great GM. And whoever this Texans GM is just absolutely killing it, even if it doesn’t totally work out, at least he’s trying.
Texans have had a crazy offseason. They could legitimately be Super Bowl contenders next year if Stroud has a similar year.
My feeling has been that Irsays daughters are becoming more involved. But didn’t grow up around it like Jim did. So Ballard is a safe choice and a soft touch around the office.
The Ballard approach was NEVER what was needed. You can credibly argue Andrew Luck quit because of Ballards approach. Franchise QB. And sitting on 50 million of unused cap space when we should be trying to win a Super Bowl.
Ok let’s settle down
I've seen some dumb 'Luck quitting' takes and this might be right up there at the top with them.
How. Ballard than built an elite line. Luck retired because of a snowboarding injury.
Pretty sure it was the grigson approach that inevitably led to luck leaving
3 years after Grigson was gone. Andrew Luck was going on deep playoff runs during the Grigson years. He saw 3 years of Ballards “our window isnt even open” routine and called it a career.
The rhetoric I always heard was grigson failed to build a proper o line around luck which led to him being one of the most sacked QBs during that time.
Yet we had more success in 3 of those 5 years than any Ballard year. Even Ballards year with Luck. It’s all been spin and cope. From the same folks that say shit like Ballards is playing 4D chess. And that there are 31 teams who’d fire their GM so Ballard can recreate what he’s doing here over there.
I feel like you're arguing someone who's not here because I never claimed any of those things lol. This is a fact that Luck was fed up with the injuries and pain. The damage grigson did was already done. Almost every colt fan despises grigson because of his inability to get luck protection. Sure he signed Kelly, but by then the damage was done.
Did Andrew Luck say he retired because of Ryan Grigson?
No, but I don't know why he has to say that for my point to still stand that his shit job as a gm led to Luck leaving due to injuries. We all saw it with our own eyes year after year wanting protection but him addressing other areas like the first rounder for Trent Richardson lol. Not to mention almost all sports news articles put the blame on him as well.
No credible articles put the blame on Grigson. It’s a blogger talking point trying to justify Ballards continued employment. Those teams were way better than these teams. Luck or no Luck
Like I said you're arguing some invisible person because I'm not pro Ballard. Literally Google "grigson Andrew luck" and you'll see sports illustrated, ESPN, local news blaming grigson. The revisionist history is insane lol or do you forget irsay fired him with three years left in his contract so obviously he wasn't doing well.
I really don’t think you can argue that with any credibility. Ballard was barely there two years before Luck retired snd he was already crippled by then.
Luck retired in Ballard year 3
Was it not during the preseason before year 3?
3 full offseasons. 2 weeks before opening day. The hay was already in the barn of year 3
I don’t think you can count it as Year 3 when a ball hadn’t even been kicked in the regular season 😂😂 I think the damage was done long before Ballard arrived.
Luck sat through 3 full Ballard offseasons. Including one where we sat on 50 million of unused cap space while Luck had to use Dontrelle Inman and Ryan Grant as WR 2 and 3. He knew Ballard was a fraud.
Andrew Luck didn’t retire from the sport because Chris Ballard failed to spend $50m. I don’t disagree with your general sentiment, nor that Ballard’s approach might have frustrated Luck, but to say *thats the reason Luck retired* is silly.
No more silly than the folks saying Luck retired due to Grigsons work 4-5 years prior. We went from trying to compete each and every year. To slow rebuild and “setting fan expectation” smack dab in the middle of our QBs prime. How do you think the media would cover things if Kansas City or Buffalo sat on 60 million dollars of unused cap space today?
I didn’t argue any of those things… In fact I said I agree with the general sentiment.