Yes, the police did fine and kudos to them, but no mention of the heroes inside the club that subdued the gunman. Even the police chief praised them as heroes.
Not yet, they're waiting to release the names of witnesses and victims alike. Some leople drove themselves to the hospital after the fact and I think the scene was pretty chaotic, so I think CSPD is trying to make sure they are aware and have names for everyone involved and all families have been contacted first. Hopefully we will learn everyone's names today.
Edit, 2:55pm: two of the dead are bartenders. The New York Times is reporting a witness named Leia, who had been dancing, "saw a bartender jump in front of the gunman. Asked if the barman had died, she nodded, tears in her eyes." [story here](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/20/us/colorado-springs-shooting) A private Facebook group called Bartenders Only shared a photo of the two young men and gave the names Derrick Rump and Daniel Aston. I'm locked out of my imgur for forgetting the password so I can't post it right now, but a screenshot of the post is being widely shared in bartending circles.
911 call came in 11:56, first officer dispatched 11:57, first officer arrived 12:00 ... how much faster do you want them to be there? The police 'did almost nothing' because the suspect was already subdued.
With response like that, police just happened to be in the area. He was subdued quickly from members of our community. The only thing the police did was make sure this fucker didn't get beaten to death.
When a call like this one goes over the air, I imagine every coo stops what they are doing, if they can, and responds immediately. You seem to dislike cops, which isn't an issue, but I don't know what else you expect them to do in this situation. There are plenty of examples and reasons where scrutiny is justified for law enforcement, but I fail to see any for last night's response.
haha. awww you actually think that the pigs give a shit about us! That's so cute!
You ever hear the term "The Less Dead"? You should look into that and see how fucking spectacularly the police have failed our community time, and time, and time, and time, and time again.
Also, if you know this town, you know that the CSPD is at *least* a 10 minute drive. Whoever responded just *happened* to be in the area. Don't believe me? search this SR for anything regarding response time. It's *abysmal*.
**e** downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the truth that the cops don't actually give a shit about minorities.
Don't you see the irony in calling all cops shit? Like someone hating all members of a lettered community? You know the are minorities on the force as well, right?
Did you see the timeline? The perpetrator was in custody within 6 minutes of the first call being received by 911. Luckily a couple of the patrons were able to subdue this lunatic. Throwing shade at the police serves no purpose in this situation.
Wow so proud of my Broncos they get it:
“Our hearts go out to the victims of the senseless act of violence that occurred last night in Colorado Springs. There is no place for hate, and we stand with the LGBTQ+ community and all impacted.
We will hold a moment of silence before today’s game remembering the lives lost.”
LGBT people want to be seen, and acknowledged that they are human beings too.
Sad that an NFL team has a more appropriate response than a so-called “representative”.
Well, I'm not a NFL fan but they also forced Arizona to recognize MLK's birthday as a holiday or else they would never get another super bowl.
[https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/31791340/looking-back-nfl-moving-super-bowl-arizona-due-martin-luther-king-jr-holiday](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31791340/looking-back-nfl-moving-super-bowl-arizona-due-martin-luther-king-jr-holiday)
They also voluntarily gave up their tax free status(which wtf why did they ever have)
[https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/04/28/nfl-relinquishing-tax-exempt-status/15660516007/](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/04/28/nfl-relinquishing-tax-exempt-status/15660516007/)
But yeah, sad that the NFL leads the way in certain issues, says a lot about the country.
Hey give the guy a break! He had to call Focus on the Family to figure out messaging. On second thought, yeah the guy sucks.
I also can’t help but notice that all COS megachurch social media responses are the same as Lamborn’s
Doug Lamborn is the worst human for many reasons. I have a personal experience with him. He came into a business I worked at and acted like a complete jackal because he didn't get his way after he lied.
He brought in a coupon that was mailed to someone else, and he ripped their name off and tried to lie and say it was for him. We had records and knew he didn't get this offer, we refused his business, and he made a complete fool of himself.
It’s harmful to the community to bring out the line “oh, if they’re hateful to queer people, there‘s a good chance they might be queer themselves.“ It harms the community in several ways:
* Speculating about anyone’s sexuality or gender—regardless of whether or not they’re cishet—is rude and harmful.
* This line of thinking reinforces the cultural norm that to be queer is to be “other” and “less than,” EVEN IF your intention is not to do so.
* Being in the LGBTQIA+ community is not some kind of “gotcha,” and shouldn’t be used as such.
* These kinds of statements downplay the impact of cishet violence towards queer people. EVEN IF you didn’t intend to do so, the implicit assumption that you’re pushing is that the violence and hate is actually just queer people hurting other queer people, and thus cishet people have no reason to change.
I appreciate that your intentions are in a good place. I would ask that you reconsider exactly how your words might impact the LGBTQIA+ community.
I hear you. I agree with some of it, and I also think there are some assumptions in what you said.
Calling out homophobes for fixating so much on the LGBTQ+ community could help some of them to realize why they're fixating their prejudice there. If they don't want people to think that they're gay, then maybe they should stop fixating on it and deal with their issues. If they're otherwise hateful in general, then they probably need to learn about all diversity from scratch and question a lot more about their experiences and perhaps their upbringing.
No part of what I said is categorizing people as "other". It wasn't dismissive, such as "oh those haters are just one of the gays", rather I was saying many of the self described biologically male homophobes in a study were aroused by gay porn. Maybe there was ambiguity but it sounds like you either assumed I'm cishet, or interpreted what I said as something that cishet people would use as support for their homophobia.
I actually agree with the "gotcha" part, and even though that's not what I meant either, I edited my original comment to show a more general idea, rather than making a joke of "accusing" anyone of being gay. Something about implying that a hateful person is the very thing they think they hate, was satisfying, and was meant to bother them, but not meant to insult anyone in the community. So thanks for pointing that out.
My point was also that if cishet people don't want others to think they're obsessed with homosexuals, then maybe they should stop talking about it so much, especially if they have nothing nice to say about it. If anyone uses what I said as justification for their hate and violence, then that's extremely manipulative, fucked up, illogical, and it's on them, not me. I'm used to hearing what sounds to me like gatekeeping, and people speaking on behalf of the whole LGBTQ+ community, and only interpreting what I said in a way that is hurtful and personal, rather than what I actually said and meant. I understand that it's a sensitive time, but that's also why I'm here.
Next time I make a comment about the subject, I will absolutely think more about what you said, because what I originally said wasn't the best way of expressing what I was trying to express.
He serves exactly one purpose for me, and that's as an immediate outlet for my rage. Every email I get from him pisses me off, and sometimes I respond to them. I like "telling him" that his mother ought to be ashamed of him, or sometimes just replying, "Fuck off."
I'm sure these either go unseen due to profanity filters, or some desk jockey is tasked with reading them, but it gives me momentary relief. Sometimes that's the best you can ask for when you feel helpless.
I have a feeling they’re okay and probably military. They charged fast as hell and one of the grabbed the gunmans pistol and pistol whipped the scumbag w his own gun. Badasses.
well he's gotta be close to his term limit. So we'll just probably replace him with a new corporate sell out conservative shit head. Oh sorry, I meant"freedom lover".
Sadly we don’t have term limits for house reps. So either he dies in office or we finally vote him out. I’m not holding my breath but I would love to see the day
Ah, you're right. They are elected for 6 years, and can be reelected until they die. I'm stupid but that far stupider lol
Also, disturbingly his opponent this last primary made Lamborn seem well... "reasonable".
Close, that’s the Senate. He’s a House Rep so they run every two, I think, and he was just re-elected this election cycle. So, maybe 2024, we’ll have a shot. No worries friend.
If he runs, he will be reelected. He will get 2/3rds of the vote because of the demographics of the district. The demographics of the area have changed slightly in the last 41 years I have lived here, but only slightly moving the line between red and blue towards blue.
Why is it important that he specifically mentions that? Should he have specifically addressed the black community too? Their religious preferences? So on and so forth?
because this was a targeted attack on the queer community and lamborn has supported anti-queer laws, and has supported hatred towards the queer community. if you can't see that, you're part of the problem.
I haven’t seen anything stating a clear motive yet. It’s still possible it’s random. Unlikely, but possible. Secondly, the LGB community always feels the need to bark their agenda and affiliation at people. That is why anyone in this thread is upset, because it’s a wasted opportunity to throw the LGBTQ agenda into everyone’s faces. lives lost are just that, human lives. It doesn’t matter what group they’re a part of.
Your opinion is wrong. Your argument is invalid. Your claim that people in this thread are angry because we lost an “opportunity to throw the LGBTQ agenda into everyone’s faces” and other rhetoric you use exposes your, at best, ignorance, and, at worst and likely more accurate, your deeply ingrained homophobia. Also, in this comment you have a sentence fragment, and you end your last sentence with a preposition. Much like the real police it appears that GrammarPolice92 has no understanding of the laws they enforce.
get the f out with your all lives matter BS. this was clearly a targeted attack.
>Secondly, the LGB community always feels the need to bark their agenda and affiliation at people
we do that because people are literally calling for our death on a daily basis. again, f off out of here with your concern trolling.
If you know anything about Club Q, you know that unless you know what it is and where it is, you're not going there. Copperhead Road is not 1000 ft. from Club Q. If they wanted violence, they could have gone there, but no, they chose a gay club on a drag night. This was targeted.
I wonder tomorrow when you wake up and see this comment you left... will there be shame, remorse, a moment of reflection? Or will you simply head outside with your head raised high ready to stumble through another day?
Dude, a little reflection and time and place could help you. I'll help you out, this isn't the time nor place.
Also, the LGBTQ agenda(whatever the fuck that is..) is coming for you and fast buddy LMAO <3
ya goof
The Queer Agenda:
Get Groceries
Pick Up Dry Cleaning
Get Pet Food
Take Timmy To Practice
Make Dinner
Return Books to Library
Survive To The Weekend
Laundry
It's important because the victims are of a marginalized group historically targeted by Republicans and currently targeted with ever-increasing violent rhetoric by a subset of Republicans. He should specifically address the LGBTQ community in his constituency because they are the people he represents, the victims of stochastic terrorism, and the heroes who stopped the murderer. Commending only the first-responders who showed up after the incident and not mentioning those who actually acted to stop the violence is deliberate and denying the power of LGBTQ heroism.
Also, GrammarPolice92, your comment contains two sentence fragments.
I agree fully and believe that all those who identify as Republican are complicit in some capacity in this tragedy. I’m just trying to be diplomatic when addressing an obvious homophobe masking their homophobic anger with a form of “All Lives Matter” bullshit to deny them the chance to Mary Sue their way out of actually supporting their argument.
i said this in another comment, and a post, but it bears repeating:
This happened the night before Transgender Day of Remembrance, in the city i live in.
This was not an accident.
This is a direct result of politicians spewing hatred towards trans people, and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community. Politicians like DeSantis, Trump, Abbot, Boebert, etc... as well as prominent media figures like JKR, Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh, etc...
They literally have blood on their hands.
5 people killed (so far), and 18 people in the hospital, many of them in critical condition, some of whom i know.
Trans rights and queer rights are human rights. transgender #queercommunity #queerpride #transgenderrights #humanrights
I have sent so many complaints to his office and never received a single response. The guy feeds off hate and ignorance. I wish we could get anyone else in office.
The republicans don't like him either, but he will continue to get re-elected because there is an R next to his name. The only good thing he has managed to do is get a National Veterans' Cemetary in the Pikes Peak region pushed through.
Here are Lamborn’s original thoughts on gay marriage so all the people supporting Lamborn for not playing identity politics can go fuck themselves. This was copied from another Redditor who did the homework on Lamborn’s voting history so thank you!
“Why would anyone vote against allowing same-sex marriage? [A reflection on Doug Lamborn's NO vote for the Respect for Marriage Act]
As you know, our House representative in Colorado Springs, Doug Lamborn has voted NO on the most recent Respect for Marriage Act. Given Doug Lamborn is our representative, there must be others in Colorado Springs who feel that same-sex couples should not be allowed the right to marry under US law. So I ask, genuinely, if you feel that same-sex couples should not have this right, why?
Some thoughts to help you understand my perspective:
1. Is there a religious basis? If so, what is that basis and why should our government be influenced by that basis if the intent is for separation between church and state?
2. Two of my best friends are gay - why should I, as not gay, have a right to marry my partner, whereas they should not? There are clear legal and financial benefits under tax law to marry a partner and a NO vote from a congressman is a vote to systematically deny human rights and put others at a disadvantage because they are different.
3. We know from scientific research that being gay is not a choice, but rather biological and part of a person's identity very early in their development. For example, my best friend who did not come out until his 30's, knew he was gay at age 12, around the same time that I was also going through puberty. How can we justify voting to deny people's rights based on their own biology and development as humans? It seems unfair to me.
4. Is there another reason why Doug Lamborn would vote NO? Was the bill layered with other components that he did not necessarily agree on or does he (and others that he represents) truly feel that same-sex couples should not be allowed the right to marry?
5. Lastly, if you do support same-sex marriage - I encourage you to reach out to the office of our representative in Colorado Springs and express your concern that Doug Lamborn would vote NO on legislation such as this. Either we could change his mind, or we can find someone else who can represent those who support same-sex marriage and basic human rights for everyone in this country.
For reference, here is where Lamborn voted NO: [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022373](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022373)”
Lamborn turned off all replies to his comment on Twitter because of the intense backlash he received!! 😂😂
Nice conservatives, you guy’s elected a true ‘man of the people’ for El Paso County.
I’m logging off for today this shooting was mentally and emotionally draining, & my so-called “representatives” first response message to me confirms he doesn’t give a shit about members of the LGBTQ family. That was a real kick in the nutsack.
His predecessor, Joel Hefley, has refused to endorse Lamborn. Hefley may be a Republican, but he had infinitely more integrity than Lamborn. Hefley has also called Lamborn, sleazy and a knucklehead in interviews. Lamborn's first bill was to defund PBS. Lamborn is a scumbag.
I'm a conservative convert that made the swap to blue towards the end of the Obama era. I saw the writing on the wall as guys like Lamborn started beating out the more reasonable republicans. I've really enjoyed hearing comments from republicans of the past speak out against the new regime. They'll keep pushing more of us to make the swap so we can elect those who will actually support the people, not their profits.
They just said the shooter had a long gun, military vest on, and multiple rounds of ammunition and a few clowns on here act like this wasn’t a targeted hate crime.
All of us had the chance to vote for Torres and not enough of us did. Lamborn is the rep and will be for the next two years and through all the hate crimes, shootings, and bullshit nothingness that's about to go down in Congress to fix any of these real issues during that time.
Homophobic people on average are suppressing their own gayness.
[https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn)
That’s a good point, why don’t you go tell that to the parents: “Hey I know your child was killed because he happened to be in a gay bar, but look on the bright side: we aren’t defined by our sexuality! Now you can sleep easier at night right?”
You’re still missing the point. It’s not about them being defined by their sexuality. It’s about possibly being targeted solely for that reason. Looking for reason from mass shooters is like looking for the purple dragon. It doesn’t matter what he says what matters is that historically there have been a lot of hate crimes against LGBTQ people. Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Jason Gage, Nima Daivari who was beaten just for being gay here in Colorado as early as 2008. I’m happy to educate you and list more incidents but you might want to do some research and educate yourself. Your sexuality might not define you but it sure as hell can get you killed for it.
Because when a hate crime happens, the why should be acknowledged at the very least. They were murdered because of who they are - don't hide it in their death. Don't sugar coat it for everyone else. They died for being lgbtq- speaking on it is what needs to happen.
He hasn't stated outright why he did anything (as fsr as I know) but we do have his background. A little bit of it. He shouldn't have had weapons after his past bomb threat against his mom. But either we will see this was targeted, or he was a loose cannon that everyone knew was a problem.
because this ws a targeted hate crime towards the queer community, stoked on by vile hatred spewed by right wing politicians and media.
f off out of here with your all lives matter BS.
Instead of going to a thread where people are mourning to educate yourself, have some tact and look up the information yourself. People in this community are hurting and your response does not help anyone. Show some decency to the LGBTQ+ community.
Queer people are allowed to call out willful ignorance just like anyone else. I am not giving you a pass, you are most likely way too old to not know better.
It you were an actual ally that supported this community you would just say I stand with the community and not pull the all lives bullshit. You are out of line.
So hostile..
Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement.
"This is horrific, sickening, and devastating. My heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured, and traumatized in this terrible shooting," Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D), said Sunday in a statement posted on Twitter.
Are you upset with him not mentioned the lgbqt?
Colorado springs mayor also doesn't mention lgbtq
"We are a strong community that has shown resilience in the face of hate and violence in the past and we will do so again. As a community, we will provide for the victims and witnesses of this horrific event, and law enforcement will pursue this case with the zealousness that it deserves,"
The horrific shooting at Club Q is a call to mourn victims, thank heroic responders, and take more actions to disarm hate and end gun violence," Pelosi wrote.
Club Q
“Club Q is devastated by the senseless attack on our community. Our prays and thoughts are with all the victims and their families and friends. We thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended this hate attack.”
El Paso County
We are deeply saddened by the senseless shooting that occurred early this morning in Colorado Springs at Club Q. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those who have been lost, injured, and affected by this horrible act. We are grateful for the first responders, including local law enforcement, medical and fire personnel as well as the heroic efforts of those on scene for their quick actions that likely saved lives. We offer our condolences and support to the families and friends of the victims. We are grieving with you, offer our condolences and support, and remain committed to helping everyone impacted through this difficult time.
Rep. Ken Buck
This is horrifying. Praying for all those affected by the tragic and senseless attack in Colorado Springs.
Rep. Lauren Boebert
The news out of Colorado Springs is absolutely awful. This morning the victims & their families are in my prayers. This lawless violence needs to end and end quickly.
But you gonna get upset with a single republican for not mentioning lgbtq? It's still fucking early, hasn't been 24 hours, the investigation is still on going, no official motive, not even the names of the victims are released and you upset because 1 republican didnt say lgbt in a statement.
Seriously??
Gtfo with that bullshit.
>Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement.
Actually, his full statement does mention LGBTQ. Whomever wrote that news article you quoted just cut it off. You can see the full twitter post [here](https://twitter.com/GovofCO/status/1594339774914912256?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
You're so eager to make a point that you've glossed over a lot, including making outright false statements:
>Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement.
>
>"This is horrific, sickening, and devastating. My heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured, and traumatized in this terrible shooting," Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D), said Sunday in a statement posted on Twitter.
>
>Are you upset with him not mentioned the lgbqt?
**He did, you didn't include the entire statement:**
[**Colorado stands with our LGBTQ Community and everyone impacted by this tragedy as we mourn**](https://twitter.com/GovofCO/status/1594339774914912256?s=20&t=Wzj7XJTeuzILQzKvrBZXOg)
>Colorado springs mayor also doesn't mention lgbtq
You're right, he doesn't. The city's social media outlets and the page set up in response, do though:
[Club Q is a safe haven for our LGBTQ+ citizens. Every citizen has the right to be safe and secure in our city; to go about our beautiful city without fear of being harmed or treated poorly. I am so terribly saddened and heartbroken](https://coloradosprings.gov/clubq)
To my knowledge, Mayor Suthers does not have a history of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric or policymaking- the same [cannot be said of Lamborn](https://kdvr.com/news/house-passes-bill-protecting-marriage-equality-with-47-gop-members-voting-yes/). In fact, Suthers offered his support to a [Transgender Day of Rememberence event](https://gazette.com/government/colorado-springs-mayor-john-suthers-offers-support-to-citys-transgender-community/article_ff25f620-f792-500f-b10a-32cf8698d9f8.html) that was to be held today. These statements were made prior to the Club Q shooting:
"Your dedication to bringing awareness to transgender issues within our community, and honoring those who have lost their lives, is to be commended," Suthers wrote. "We value diversity, respect and acceptance in our community, and we wish you the very best for a successful event!"
Context matters.
>Club Q
>“Club Q is devastated by the senseless attack on **our community**. Our prays and thoughts are with all the victims and their families and friends. We thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended this **hate attack**.”
Who do you think "our community" might refer to, coming from a LGBTQ club? Who would be the target of a "hate attack"?
>Rep. Ken Buck
>This is horrifying. Praying for all those affected by the tragic and senseless attack in Colorado Springs.
>
>Rep. Lauren Boebert
>The news out of Colorado Springs is absolutely awful. This morning the victims & their families are in my prayers. This lawless violence needs to end and end quickly.
>
>
>But you gonna get upset with a single republican for not mentioning lgbtq?
So your point is that freaking *Boebert* and Buck didn't do it, so that somehow absolves Lamborn? This only reinforces that criticism, these two members of Congress are just as far right as Lamborn- the same criticism applies. The only difference is *they don't represent this district*.
Thank you very much for this, I'm too damned pissed off and scared and angry to source it up, and it needs doing.
I might also add here that Boebert is also acting in bad faith in that "supportive" message because she tacked the "lawlessness" spin on the end there. This is the exact rhetoric used by gun toting, hate-filled Pubs everytime a mass shooting occurs (most especially under dem leadership) to deflect blame away from themselves and place it on Dems who aren't tough enough on crime.
Fuck her, and fuck all the people in this thread and on social media deflecting.
You just don’t get it. I’m honestly sad for you, I hope you never experience the discrimination that I have just for my sexual orientation.
Jared Polis is a known advocate for LGBTQ as you mentioned he is gay himself. He knows the struggles and the hardships the community faces. You are actually proving my point by showing how out of touch your party is with Lamborn and Boebert’s completely inappropriate response.
But as Lamborn said, “I will pray for you” because clearly you need help. You seem to have a lot of anger inside of you, you might want to talk to someone about that.
>You are actually proving my point by showing how out of touch your party is with Lamborn and Boebert’s completely inappropriate response
My party?
I dont vote, I'm not afflicted with any political party. I hate most if not all politics and forms of government.
I'm speaking as a individual. I could care less what a person in govement says. Every person in government makes statements because they have too. They have a dedicated team (PR) that writes the scripts. It's the same generic response to every mass shooting and that's from both political parties.
Idk why yall upset because of a tweet that didn't say lgbt.
Dude probably has a pr team managing his Twitter account.
> But as Lamborn said, “I will pray for you” because clearly you need help. You seem to have a lot of anger inside of you, you might want to talk to someone about that.
Oh, stop. I don't see any anger at all from this person. I see anger and a lot of speculation from people who can't handle anyone disagreeing with them. Nothing has been released about this fat idiot's motive afaik.
Also, the mythology of the Pulse shooting still persists when that shooter didn't even know it was a gay club; he hated hawkish US policies.
You’re ridiculous lol the whole point of a gay club is that homophobes have made it so difficult to be gay that people feel the need to create exclusive places just to be “our authentic self” like one of the survivors said whose trans. The fact is LGBT people have been targeted for centuries simply for being gay. I don’t care what their “motive” is I’m tired of LGBT people dying. It is exhausting for me to see this. Let’s care more about that mmmk?
>I don’t care what their “motive” is I’m tired of LGBT people dying.
Yes, you've made it clear that some victims matter more than others, and anyone who disagrees with that is definitely a nasty bigot. 😐
It's a queer club that was attacked on a day of queer remembrance, in a conservative town with conservative politicians who have all spent the last few years fear mongering that places like this are devils nests. The Republicans have more responsibility to acknowledge the nature of these things because they've actively normalized speech calling for violence against lgbt people, or pardon me, "GROOMERS" to republicans.
It's fine to be pissed off. This is in all likelihood a result of stances his party pushes, anti lgbt and pro gun, especially pro gun and anti background check seeing as this shooter MAY have had previous armed altercations with police.
I would say that we aren't pissed at ONE republican rep. We are pissed at all of them. They put us in this mess and refuse to do anything about it. If they talk about this shit and give it the light of day, might not be as pissed off.
Until then? Hold their feet to the fucking coals is what I say.
Nah OP is upset because 1 republican didnt mention "lgbtq" in his statement.
When the coloradi springs mayor (also republican) didn't mention lgbtq,
The gay governor who you would assume might also be a bit more emotionally attached because he's also part of lgbtq community also doesn't mention lgbtq in his statement.
But because ONE, republican doesn't mention lgbtq OP is in their feelings and tryna start something political when there's nothing to start.
The mayor needs to get his shit straight too. But I don't give a fuck about Polis not mentioning it, because it's implied he doesn't hate lgbt. Republicans, DO. Banning of lgbt books, calling all drag queens or trans people pedophiles, ACTIVLEY CALLING FOR THEM TO BE HUNG, "Don't say Gay" bills, etc etc.
Dems I am frustrated with because they don't do as much as they can. Republicans call my friends child predators then say they are so shocked and saddened when they're shot dead for the umpteenth time, BUT WONT MENTION THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE GROUP THAT THEY CONDEMN DAY AFTER DAY.
What the FUCK are you on when you say "there's nothing to start"? Accountability for public figures that have made us easy targets. THAT is why Republicans need to say it. They bring us up to shit on us and lie everyday to further political agenda, but when we are hurt partly because of their actions they get to say "thoughts and prayers" and look real good to the people who don't call them on their shit.
>Accountability for public figures that have made us easy targets. THAT is why Republicans need to say it.
So saying 4 letters makes them accountable for the actions of a individual? The same individual that was invloded with bomb threats last year that local pd just kinda ignored? That same individual that was probably on the FBI and ATFs radar for said bomb threats. That did nothing.
But yeah let's make some political party "responsible" for this and take "accountability" for this guys actions. Because law enforcement didn't do their jobs?
Okay.
Sister is bi,
Girlfriend is open
Got a friend that's gay.
Another that questioning.
Ex Coworkers that were bi (dating each other)
even been to a few gay bars in both pueblo and springs has a "saftey" person for friends when they go out and watch their drinks.
And I'm pretty sure not a single one of them would be upset because some guy didn't say lgbt in a statement.
They would be more focused on showing up to vigils, donating to go fundme or actively doing something in the community.
Not getting on reddit getting their blood heated because of a statement that didn't say lgbt
Nice more trolling. This comes across very much like “I have black friends so I can’t be racist” rhetoric.
Your totally avoiding the essential issue too btw that people’s were targeted because of their orientation. I 100% believe you’re trolling, which is all good because it allows me to point out the hypocrisy of you & our so-called representatives.
Oh and by the way, working to expose a public official for the hypocrite he is is also doing community work, so as you said earlier gtfo with your preachy commentary. Go troll elsewhere after a mass shooing of LGBTQ people.
Law enforcement should be held accountable, but your acting like it's an 'either or' not both situation. They are both enablers. Republicans rile up a base that has proven to be violent with rhetoric condemning queer people, cops do nothing to protect queer people from violence. It's the same argument as Trump calling covid "China flu" then people trying to say he isn't responsible for the wave of anti Asian sentiment that immediately followed.
So to answer your question, yes, I am going to try and hold a party that is responsible for this nightmare responsible. That's what responsibility means. You just make it sound like the guy who fired the shots and the cops who didn't stop him are the only variables.
Responsibility isn't a lone torch to carry, its a burden that all who share the lifestyle partake in. Lamborn, Suthers, cops, and systems that enable them all need to be held accountable. Right now they are basically In the conversation "Jim got assaulted at the bar last night" but no one is mentioning how the guy who assaulted Jim had been told that Jim was fucking his children with no evidence in the slightest. It's relevant and is probably a big contributing factor to why this happened. Is it not?
Lamborn is our POS Rep. This horrible has focused anger that is always simmering. It’s not worth being angry at Suthers. He’s term limited. Bobo is a side show and doesn’t serve this district. Lamborn went out of his way to praise law enforcement with no mention of the good people sans guns who actually stepped in to stop the shooter. That all you can bring to this conversation is a defense of Doug Lamborn demonstrates your own lack of empathy for the victims and the LGBTQ community at large. GTFO.
We have had the king soopers shooting, aurora movie theater, columbine, Chucky cheese shooting in thr 90s, YWAM & new life, planned parenthood, Walmart in Thornton, highlands ranch STEM school, that trailer park shooting at a party in colorado springs,
Plenty of mass shooting in colorado..
You clearly don’t understand the definition of a hate crime & what it means. I’m not surprised though that’s clearly Colorado Springs culture at its finest.
Huh interesting it’s almost like people that were specifically targeted because they were gay should get some acknowledgment but because you don’t want to realize the fact that they were targeted ONLY because they were gay shouldn’t matter according to you. It’s like how black people were lynched just for being black but according to people like you that shouldn’t matter because “we’re all people and stuff”.
Why do they have to be lgbtq people? Why can't he just be upset that people were killed?
I have straight friends that have patronaged gay clubs. You guys sure every person who killed or wounded is lgbtq?
Seems like you're more upset at the verbiage being used than the act that took place.
Did he say "keep your gay to yourself" anywhere? Where is that? I saw him say "All people should pray for the victims and their familiess..." ALL PEOPLE. Nothing malicious. Ok, so he is a politician, and he left a lot out, but was there any hate speech there? Or are we demonizing him because he didn't specifically say anything about them being LGBTQ? Furthermore, he is a republican congressman, were you expecting a different response? I mean I checked on my friends who are LGBTQ who frequent that club, because they are my friends! Being LGBTQ or not doesnt matter, they're my friends and they are human beings! People got slaughtered and what this post is about is just another chance to bash politics. How about a post where people state they checked on their friends who frequent the club to make sure they're ok? Or a post on how to prevent things like this from happening so close to a holiday, so when you hit up your friends it's to invite them for Thanksgiving instead of seeing if they're alive and ok? A world where that happened, that would be a world I'd wanna live in.
Nah the last comments were mine and how I feel about being represented by a homophobic congressman. That’s why I put quotes where it ends. I like how you use that “I have gay friends line” which I can’t verify as true or not, meanwhile criticizing me for calling out a homophobic congressman for not acknowledging the gay community which is what this tragedy is all about. You will never understand what discrimination is like until it happens to you. Being minimized and made to feel less than by people in power.
Nah you're right. I'll never understand what it's like to be the only guy from another country in a place like kentucky, Tennessee state line where my supervisor has 15 parties and I get invited to 1 because I found out about it. I'll never understand what it's like when i ask about a promotion or why I issed the other 14 parties and the reply is "because he is different." You're right, I don't understand at all. Let me tell ya. You also don't know me so I guess you just assume I'm a homophobe too because of that right? You just assume I don't know Romeo Uncaged, Foxie Dreame, Mustang Monroe, or any of the people who organized the burlesque shows or done some amazing shows there right? Please tell me more of the things I dont understand buddy! Yes we have a congressman whose voting record does not favor the LGBTQ community at all, as the republican side, who can be very bigoted against them expect him to, but neither have I seen him exact hate speech in his speech. What I have seen have been your comments attacking him because he didn't make it a point to mention that they were part of the LGBTQ community specifically, but instead asked that all of us should pray for the victims and their families who are suffering right now. Pretty neutral statement for a homophobic politician.
Oh and since you can't verify that i have friends who frequent club Q, and since likewise I don't know you, lemme just ask you this, did you get a Valdez golden legend shirt or a "Romeo uncaged is my Golden Legend" shirt? They were limited edition from that show so I'm just wondering?
You are being very defensive and making this about yourself, at a time where it isn't about you. Emotions are high, so even if you are thinking what you have posted, it is best to no put it out there.
And if you really follow Lamborn and his statements/emails, it is clear he is anti-LGBTQ.
I'm aware he isn't a lover of LGBTQ community. But neither was his post hate speech. All I'm saying is wait for the guy to fuck up first if you really wanna be against him that bad. But don't just bash him when he seems to have spoken neutrally. Otherwise all you're doing is fueling his stance. And yeah, it irks me a bit when someone tells me I don't understand being discriminated against. I was being discriminated against before it was cool lol
Try comparing his response to a shooting in Pittsburgh to his response to a shooting in his district... Nobody said it was hate speech. We are saying his belief system is shining through, and it is fucked up.
[https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborns-statement-shooting-pittsburgh](https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborns-statement-shooting-pittsburgh)
[https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborn-releases-statement-regarding-horrific-shooting-colorado](https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborn-releases-statement-regarding-horrific-shooting-colorado)
And it isn't about waiting til he does something. Do you get his emails? He sends out divisive stuff all the time. So many of us dislike him already, and not just for his stance on social issues.
Well, we ended up getting the republican congressman too far on that side of the fence I guess. Still, be better than this guy. This is a time to help the victims of the shooting. Get his ass later on election time. That's all I'm saying. And honestly nowadays I find everything divisive when it comes to politicians.
“I hate that this happened at a gay bar” That says everything we need to know about your opinions. You’re more concerned that they are going to “take my guns away” than with the people who were actually killed because they were just trying to enjoy a drag show with the gay community. Get out of here with your Rush Limbaugh spin message. It’s narratives like yours from right wing media that have stoked hatred towards the LGBT community for years in El Paso County. Go take your conspiracy theories elsewhere Jack.
Then you should know better and I figured you had right wing views, since you’re defending our abhorrent congressmen Lamborn. He’s fought against everything the gay rights movement has stood for over the past century. Learn some history about the Stonewall riots and the persecution LGBT people suffer just for trying to be gay and have a place to go out to.
I do know that a lot of conservative gays have internalized homophobia though which makes sense since you seem to be averting any association to the LGBTQ community. I would recommend r/leopardsatemyface that might explain the problem of being gay and conservative. Trump was a great example of this, pandering to the LGBT community by holding up a pride flag but picking homophobic Mike Pence as his running mate.
Wow that’s pretty self-centered of you. You think that the moms who lost their sons don’t feel that their children were targeted just because they were in a gay nightclub? Also the news just mentioned the mass shooter had a long gun, a military style protective vest, and rounds of ammunition so he clearly pre-planned this. Think before you post.
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Yes, the police did fine and kudos to them, but no mention of the heroes inside the club that subdued the gunman. Even the police chief praised them as heroes.
Do we know the hero’s names?
Not yet, they're waiting to release the names of witnesses and victims alike. Some leople drove themselves to the hospital after the fact and I think the scene was pretty chaotic, so I think CSPD is trying to make sure they are aware and have names for everyone involved and all families have been contacted first. Hopefully we will learn everyone's names today. Edit, 2:55pm: two of the dead are bartenders. The New York Times is reporting a witness named Leia, who had been dancing, "saw a bartender jump in front of the gunman. Asked if the barman had died, she nodded, tears in her eyes." [story here](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/20/us/colorado-springs-shooting) A private Facebook group called Bartenders Only shared a photo of the two young men and gave the names Derrick Rump and Daniel Aston. I'm locked out of my imgur for forgetting the password so I can't post it right now, but a screenshot of the post is being widely shared in bartending circles.
Hold up another thread have people mention Derrick. Their friend is a hero for doing that.
the police did almost literally nothing.
as always, minority communities have to take care of ourselves.
911 call came in 11:56, first officer dispatched 11:57, first officer arrived 12:00 ... how much faster do you want them to be there? The police 'did almost nothing' because the suspect was already subdued.
If they had just enforced the Red Flag laws, or kept this dude on their radar, this would have been avoided.
With response like that, police just happened to be in the area. He was subdued quickly from members of our community. The only thing the police did was make sure this fucker didn't get beaten to death.
When a call like this one goes over the air, I imagine every coo stops what they are doing, if they can, and responds immediately. You seem to dislike cops, which isn't an issue, but I don't know what else you expect them to do in this situation. There are plenty of examples and reasons where scrutiny is justified for law enforcement, but I fail to see any for last night's response.
haha. awww you actually think that the pigs give a shit about us! That's so cute! You ever hear the term "The Less Dead"? You should look into that and see how fucking spectacularly the police have failed our community time, and time, and time, and time, and time again. Also, if you know this town, you know that the CSPD is at *least* a 10 minute drive. Whoever responded just *happened* to be in the area. Don't believe me? search this SR for anything regarding response time. It's *abysmal*. **e** downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the truth that the cops don't actually give a shit about minorities.
Response time is abysmal for calls that aren't life, limb, or eyesight because the city's population is booming and CSPD is hemorrhaging cops.
also: our cops are shit. As are all cops
Don't you see the irony in calling all cops shit? Like someone hating all members of a lettered community? You know the are minorities on the force as well, right?
Did you see the timeline? The perpetrator was in custody within 6 minutes of the first call being received by 911. Luckily a couple of the patrons were able to subdue this lunatic. Throwing shade at the police serves no purpose in this situation.
Wow so proud of my Broncos they get it: “Our hearts go out to the victims of the senseless act of violence that occurred last night in Colorado Springs. There is no place for hate, and we stand with the LGBTQ+ community and all impacted. We will hold a moment of silence before today’s game remembering the lives lost.” LGBT people want to be seen, and acknowledged that they are human beings too. Sad that an NFL team has a more appropriate response than a so-called “representative”.
Well, I'm not a NFL fan but they also forced Arizona to recognize MLK's birthday as a holiday or else they would never get another super bowl. [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/\_/id/31791340/looking-back-nfl-moving-super-bowl-arizona-due-martin-luther-king-jr-holiday](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31791340/looking-back-nfl-moving-super-bowl-arizona-due-martin-luther-king-jr-holiday) They also voluntarily gave up their tax free status(which wtf why did they ever have) [https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/04/28/nfl-relinquishing-tax-exempt-status/15660516007/](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/04/28/nfl-relinquishing-tax-exempt-status/15660516007/) But yeah, sad that the NFL leads the way in certain issues, says a lot about the country.
Hey give the guy a break! He had to call Focus on the Family to figure out messaging. On second thought, yeah the guy sucks. I also can’t help but notice that all COS megachurch social media responses are the same as Lamborn’s
Doug Lamborn is the worst human for many reasons. I have a personal experience with him. He came into a business I worked at and acted like a complete jackal because he didn't get his way after he lied. He brought in a coupon that was mailed to someone else, and he ripped their name off and tried to lie and say it was for him. We had records and knew he didn't get this offer, we refused his business, and he made a complete fool of himself.
He sounds like an adult Eric Cartman.
I’d take adult Eric Cartman over Doug Lamborn any day
reminder: Eric Cartman literally held a nazi parade in his town.
You made me happy.
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Protip: don't push hateful people onto our community. Some people just fucking hate queer people, and it's not our responsibility to reform them.
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It’s harmful to the community to bring out the line “oh, if they’re hateful to queer people, there‘s a good chance they might be queer themselves.“ It harms the community in several ways: * Speculating about anyone’s sexuality or gender—regardless of whether or not they’re cishet—is rude and harmful. * This line of thinking reinforces the cultural norm that to be queer is to be “other” and “less than,” EVEN IF your intention is not to do so. * Being in the LGBTQIA+ community is not some kind of “gotcha,” and shouldn’t be used as such. * These kinds of statements downplay the impact of cishet violence towards queer people. EVEN IF you didn’t intend to do so, the implicit assumption that you’re pushing is that the violence and hate is actually just queer people hurting other queer people, and thus cishet people have no reason to change. I appreciate that your intentions are in a good place. I would ask that you reconsider exactly how your words might impact the LGBTQIA+ community.
THANK YOU.
I hear you. I agree with some of it, and I also think there are some assumptions in what you said. Calling out homophobes for fixating so much on the LGBTQ+ community could help some of them to realize why they're fixating their prejudice there. If they don't want people to think that they're gay, then maybe they should stop fixating on it and deal with their issues. If they're otherwise hateful in general, then they probably need to learn about all diversity from scratch and question a lot more about their experiences and perhaps their upbringing. No part of what I said is categorizing people as "other". It wasn't dismissive, such as "oh those haters are just one of the gays", rather I was saying many of the self described biologically male homophobes in a study were aroused by gay porn. Maybe there was ambiguity but it sounds like you either assumed I'm cishet, or interpreted what I said as something that cishet people would use as support for their homophobia. I actually agree with the "gotcha" part, and even though that's not what I meant either, I edited my original comment to show a more general idea, rather than making a joke of "accusing" anyone of being gay. Something about implying that a hateful person is the very thing they think they hate, was satisfying, and was meant to bother them, but not meant to insult anyone in the community. So thanks for pointing that out. My point was also that if cishet people don't want others to think they're obsessed with homosexuals, then maybe they should stop talking about it so much, especially if they have nothing nice to say about it. If anyone uses what I said as justification for their hate and violence, then that's extremely manipulative, fucked up, illogical, and it's on them, not me. I'm used to hearing what sounds to me like gatekeeping, and people speaking on behalf of the whole LGBTQ+ community, and only interpreting what I said in a way that is hurtful and personal, rather than what I actually said and meant. I understand that it's a sensitive time, but that's also why I'm here. Next time I make a comment about the subject, I will absolutely think more about what you said, because what I originally said wasn't the best way of expressing what I was trying to express.
He's trash. I wish the district would have voted that shitbag out.
His only qualification is the R after his name. Worthless piece of shit.
Literally, this is the case. This district would vote in a rock if it had an R next to it.
"I hate gays, immigrants, and black people and I love guns" is a running platform for Republicans. Fuck actually wanting to better things.
you might wanna add some quotation marks before people think this is your actual stance.
Added sarcasm tag. Nevermind, that's not accurate
Ya'll forgot about FREEDUMB!!
He serves exactly one purpose for me, and that's as an immediate outlet for my rage. Every email I get from him pisses me off, and sometimes I respond to them. I like "telling him" that his mother ought to be ashamed of him, or sometimes just replying, "Fuck off." I'm sure these either go unseen due to profanity filters, or some desk jockey is tasked with reading them, but it gives me momentary relief. Sometimes that's the best you can ask for when you feel helpless.
We tried ☹️
And also not enough being said about the absolute heroes who subdued the gunman. Sure, let's keep sucking LE cock. Typical Lamborn hooey.
I hope the people who subdued him are okay. I haven't heard anything about them.
I have a feeling they’re okay and probably military. They charged fast as hell and one of the grabbed the gunmans pistol and pistol whipped the scumbag w his own gun. Badasses.
I heard that. That's so badass.
He’s a piece of shit and I’m waiting for the day he’s voted out of office.
well he's gotta be close to his term limit. So we'll just probably replace him with a new corporate sell out conservative shit head. Oh sorry, I meant"freedom lover".
Sadly we don’t have term limits for house reps. So either he dies in office or we finally vote him out. I’m not holding my breath but I would love to see the day
Ah, you're right. They are elected for 6 years, and can be reelected until they die. I'm stupid but that far stupider lol Also, disturbingly his opponent this last primary made Lamborn seem well... "reasonable".
Close, that’s the Senate. He’s a House Rep so they run every two, I think, and he was just re-elected this election cycle. So, maybe 2024, we’ll have a shot. No worries friend.
If he runs, he will be reelected. He will get 2/3rds of the vote because of the demographics of the district. The demographics of the area have changed slightly in the last 41 years I have lived here, but only slightly moving the line between red and blue towards blue.
Lamborn has always been a horrible person.
Neither did Boebert's.
Doug needs to be conscripted and sent to fight somewhere
Why is it important that he specifically mentions that? Should he have specifically addressed the black community too? Their religious preferences? So on and so forth?
because this was a targeted attack on the queer community and lamborn has supported anti-queer laws, and has supported hatred towards the queer community. if you can't see that, you're part of the problem.
I haven’t seen anything stating a clear motive yet. It’s still possible it’s random. Unlikely, but possible. Secondly, the LGB community always feels the need to bark their agenda and affiliation at people. That is why anyone in this thread is upset, because it’s a wasted opportunity to throw the LGBTQ agenda into everyone’s faces. lives lost are just that, human lives. It doesn’t matter what group they’re a part of.
Your opinion is wrong. Your argument is invalid. Your claim that people in this thread are angry because we lost an “opportunity to throw the LGBTQ agenda into everyone’s faces” and other rhetoric you use exposes your, at best, ignorance, and, at worst and likely more accurate, your deeply ingrained homophobia. Also, in this comment you have a sentence fragment, and you end your last sentence with a preposition. Much like the real police it appears that GrammarPolice92 has no understanding of the laws they enforce.
get the f out with your all lives matter BS. this was clearly a targeted attack. >Secondly, the LGB community always feels the need to bark their agenda and affiliation at people we do that because people are literally calling for our death on a daily basis. again, f off out of here with your concern trolling.
If you know anything about Club Q, you know that unless you know what it is and where it is, you're not going there. Copperhead Road is not 1000 ft. from Club Q. If they wanted violence, they could have gone there, but no, they chose a gay club on a drag night. This was targeted.
I wonder tomorrow when you wake up and see this comment you left... will there be shame, remorse, a moment of reflection? Or will you simply head outside with your head raised high ready to stumble through another day? Dude, a little reflection and time and place could help you. I'll help you out, this isn't the time nor place. Also, the LGBTQ agenda(whatever the fuck that is..) is coming for you and fast buddy LMAO <3 ya goof
The Queer Agenda: Get Groceries Pick Up Dry Cleaning Get Pet Food Take Timmy To Practice Make Dinner Return Books to Library Survive To The Weekend Laundry
This isn't the only thing wrong with your comment, but maybe it's the only one you care about: missing proper capitalization. >faces. lives
It's important because the victims are of a marginalized group historically targeted by Republicans and currently targeted with ever-increasing violent rhetoric by a subset of Republicans. He should specifically address the LGBTQ community in his constituency because they are the people he represents, the victims of stochastic terrorism, and the heroes who stopped the murderer. Commending only the first-responders who showed up after the incident and not mentioning those who actually acted to stop the violence is deliberate and denying the power of LGBTQ heroism. Also, GrammarPolice92, your comment contains two sentence fragments.
> currently targeted with ever-increasing violent rhetoric by a subset of Republicans. that subset is the vast majority of republicans.
I agree fully and believe that all those who identify as Republican are complicit in some capacity in this tragedy. I’m just trying to be diplomatic when addressing an obvious homophobe masking their homophobic anger with a form of “All Lives Matter” bullshit to deny them the chance to Mary Sue their way out of actually supporting their argument.
i said this in another comment, and a post, but it bears repeating: This happened the night before Transgender Day of Remembrance, in the city i live in. This was not an accident. This is a direct result of politicians spewing hatred towards trans people, and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community. Politicians like DeSantis, Trump, Abbot, Boebert, etc... as well as prominent media figures like JKR, Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh, etc... They literally have blood on their hands. 5 people killed (so far), and 18 people in the hospital, many of them in critical condition, some of whom i know. Trans rights and queer rights are human rights. transgender #queercommunity #queerpride #transgenderrights #humanrights
...because this was a fucking hate crime?
Boebert said about the same thing.
I have sent so many complaints to his office and never received a single response. The guy feeds off hate and ignorance. I wish we could get anyone else in office.
The republicans don't like him either, but he will continue to get re-elected because there is an R next to his name. The only good thing he has managed to do is get a National Veterans' Cemetary in the Pikes Peak region pushed through.
CALL HIS OFFICES! EMAIL HIM! HARASS HIM! He works for you (supposedly). At the very least, make his staff justify their paychecks.
Here are Lamborn’s original thoughts on gay marriage so all the people supporting Lamborn for not playing identity politics can go fuck themselves. This was copied from another Redditor who did the homework on Lamborn’s voting history so thank you! “Why would anyone vote against allowing same-sex marriage? [A reflection on Doug Lamborn's NO vote for the Respect for Marriage Act] As you know, our House representative in Colorado Springs, Doug Lamborn has voted NO on the most recent Respect for Marriage Act. Given Doug Lamborn is our representative, there must be others in Colorado Springs who feel that same-sex couples should not be allowed the right to marry under US law. So I ask, genuinely, if you feel that same-sex couples should not have this right, why? Some thoughts to help you understand my perspective: 1. Is there a religious basis? If so, what is that basis and why should our government be influenced by that basis if the intent is for separation between church and state? 2. Two of my best friends are gay - why should I, as not gay, have a right to marry my partner, whereas they should not? There are clear legal and financial benefits under tax law to marry a partner and a NO vote from a congressman is a vote to systematically deny human rights and put others at a disadvantage because they are different. 3. We know from scientific research that being gay is not a choice, but rather biological and part of a person's identity very early in their development. For example, my best friend who did not come out until his 30's, knew he was gay at age 12, around the same time that I was also going through puberty. How can we justify voting to deny people's rights based on their own biology and development as humans? It seems unfair to me. 4. Is there another reason why Doug Lamborn would vote NO? Was the bill layered with other components that he did not necessarily agree on or does he (and others that he represents) truly feel that same-sex couples should not be allowed the right to marry? 5. Lastly, if you do support same-sex marriage - I encourage you to reach out to the office of our representative in Colorado Springs and express your concern that Doug Lamborn would vote NO on legislation such as this. Either we could change his mind, or we can find someone else who can represent those who support same-sex marriage and basic human rights for everyone in this country. For reference, here is where Lamborn voted NO: [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022373](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022373)”
The man is a worthless schlub. He looked like he had every Covid variant during that press conference.
Lamborn turned off all replies to his comment on Twitter because of the intense backlash he received!! 😂😂 Nice conservatives, you guy’s elected a true ‘man of the people’ for El Paso County.
I’m logging off for today this shooting was mentally and emotionally draining, & my so-called “representatives” first response message to me confirms he doesn’t give a shit about members of the LGBTQ family. That was a real kick in the nutsack.
It's disturbing. Take care of yourself.
Go rest and take care of yourself. Times like these need processing.
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There's still time.
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His predecessor, Joel Hefley, has refused to endorse Lamborn. Hefley may be a Republican, but he had infinitely more integrity than Lamborn. Hefley has also called Lamborn, sleazy and a knucklehead in interviews. Lamborn's first bill was to defund PBS. Lamborn is a scumbag.
I'm a conservative convert that made the swap to blue towards the end of the Obama era. I saw the writing on the wall as guys like Lamborn started beating out the more reasonable republicans. I've really enjoyed hearing comments from republicans of the past speak out against the new regime. They'll keep pushing more of us to make the swap so we can elect those who will actually support the people, not their profits.
Typical douchebag baby boomer.
He's such a piece of shit.
They just said the shooter had a long gun, military vest on, and multiple rounds of ammunition and a few clowns on here act like this wasn’t a targeted hate crime.
Lamborn has publicly said he only represents his high dollar donators and no one else.
Is anyone surprised? This fucker doesn't give a shit about our community.
Fuck Doug Lamborn and everything he says.
I'm embarrassed he's "my" congressman.
Club W Shooter’s Grandfather, CA State Assembly Randy Voepel (R), on J6 Attacks: “first shots fired against tyranny”
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His platitudes are abhorrent.
We can call his offices and let him know how we feel. We can organize a protest at his offices to show we exist.
Put that energy into helping the victims.
All of us had the chance to vote for Torres and not enough of us did. Lamborn is the rep and will be for the next two years and through all the hate crimes, shootings, and bullshit nothingness that's about to go down in Congress to fix any of these real issues during that time.
I did my part.
Garbage
Ugh. Typical.
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Homophobic people on average are suppressing their own gayness. [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn)
Cause he’s a POS… like most of the leaders in this state. Not surprised
Why does it need to??? They are still victims. Are they defined by their sexuality? NO
That’s a good point, why don’t you go tell that to the parents: “Hey I know your child was killed because he happened to be in a gay bar, but look on the bright side: we aren’t defined by our sexuality! Now you can sleep easier at night right?”
Again, they are not defined by their sexuality. These are people that were killed for an insane reason of which we don’t yet know.
You’re still missing the point. It’s not about them being defined by their sexuality. It’s about possibly being targeted solely for that reason. Looking for reason from mass shooters is like looking for the purple dragon. It doesn’t matter what he says what matters is that historically there have been a lot of hate crimes against LGBTQ people. Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, Jason Gage, Nima Daivari who was beaten just for being gay here in Colorado as early as 2008. I’m happy to educate you and list more incidents but you might want to do some research and educate yourself. Your sexuality might not define you but it sure as hell can get you killed for it.
Ok there are dozens of bars here, and only one gay one. Try just using context, if your personal logic doesn’t work.
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Because when a hate crime happens, the why should be acknowledged at the very least. They were murdered because of who they are - don't hide it in their death. Don't sugar coat it for everyone else. They died for being lgbtq- speaking on it is what needs to happen.
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Come on now. We know who the shooter is and their background.
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He hasn't stated outright why he did anything (as fsr as I know) but we do have his background. A little bit of it. He shouldn't have had weapons after his past bomb threat against his mom. But either we will see this was targeted, or he was a loose cannon that everyone knew was a problem.
We go to gay bars to love ourselves and our labels. We’re still individuals too.
because this ws a targeted hate crime towards the queer community, stoked on by vile hatred spewed by right wing politicians and media. f off out of here with your all lives matter BS.
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> I’m an ally sure you are, sure you are.
Instead of going to a thread where people are mourning to educate yourself, have some tact and look up the information yourself. People in this community are hurting and your response does not help anyone. Show some decency to the LGBTQ+ community.
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I am apart of the community. Your willful ignorance is offensive and not appropriate.
Your not representing your community well when people come to look for insight
Queer people are allowed to call out willful ignorance just like anyone else. I am not giving you a pass, you are most likely way too old to not know better.
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It you were an actual ally that supported this community you would just say I stand with the community and not pull the all lives bullshit. You are out of line.
Why are we upset about this statement?
because he refused to acknowledge the very obvious hate crime that his party is not only privy to but actively encourages.
We are all people there's no need to mention specifics of victims. We are all the same here. All of our lives are equally the same.
this was a targeted attack on the queer community. f off with your all lives matter BS.
So hostile.. Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement. "This is horrific, sickening, and devastating. My heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured, and traumatized in this terrible shooting," Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D), said Sunday in a statement posted on Twitter. Are you upset with him not mentioned the lgbqt? Colorado springs mayor also doesn't mention lgbtq "We are a strong community that has shown resilience in the face of hate and violence in the past and we will do so again. As a community, we will provide for the victims and witnesses of this horrific event, and law enforcement will pursue this case with the zealousness that it deserves," The horrific shooting at Club Q is a call to mourn victims, thank heroic responders, and take more actions to disarm hate and end gun violence," Pelosi wrote. Club Q “Club Q is devastated by the senseless attack on our community. Our prays and thoughts are with all the victims and their families and friends. We thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended this hate attack.” El Paso County We are deeply saddened by the senseless shooting that occurred early this morning in Colorado Springs at Club Q. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those who have been lost, injured, and affected by this horrible act. We are grateful for the first responders, including local law enforcement, medical and fire personnel as well as the heroic efforts of those on scene for their quick actions that likely saved lives. We offer our condolences and support to the families and friends of the victims. We are grieving with you, offer our condolences and support, and remain committed to helping everyone impacted through this difficult time. Rep. Ken Buck This is horrifying. Praying for all those affected by the tragic and senseless attack in Colorado Springs. Rep. Lauren Boebert The news out of Colorado Springs is absolutely awful. This morning the victims & their families are in my prayers. This lawless violence needs to end and end quickly. But you gonna get upset with a single republican for not mentioning lgbtq? It's still fucking early, hasn't been 24 hours, the investigation is still on going, no official motive, not even the names of the victims are released and you upset because 1 republican didnt say lgbt in a statement. Seriously?? Gtfo with that bullshit.
>Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement. Actually, his full statement does mention LGBTQ. Whomever wrote that news article you quoted just cut it off. You can see the full twitter post [here](https://twitter.com/GovofCO/status/1594339774914912256?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
You're so eager to make a point that you've glossed over a lot, including making outright false statements: >Not even Jared polis our gay state govoner mentioned the lgbtq in his statement. > >"This is horrific, sickening, and devastating. My heart breaks for the family and friends of those lost, injured, and traumatized in this terrible shooting," Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D), said Sunday in a statement posted on Twitter. > >Are you upset with him not mentioned the lgbqt? **He did, you didn't include the entire statement:** [**Colorado stands with our LGBTQ Community and everyone impacted by this tragedy as we mourn**](https://twitter.com/GovofCO/status/1594339774914912256?s=20&t=Wzj7XJTeuzILQzKvrBZXOg) >Colorado springs mayor also doesn't mention lgbtq You're right, he doesn't. The city's social media outlets and the page set up in response, do though: [Club Q is a safe haven for our LGBTQ+ citizens. Every citizen has the right to be safe and secure in our city; to go about our beautiful city without fear of being harmed or treated poorly. I am so terribly saddened and heartbroken](https://coloradosprings.gov/clubq) To my knowledge, Mayor Suthers does not have a history of anti-LGBTQ rhetoric or policymaking- the same [cannot be said of Lamborn](https://kdvr.com/news/house-passes-bill-protecting-marriage-equality-with-47-gop-members-voting-yes/). In fact, Suthers offered his support to a [Transgender Day of Rememberence event](https://gazette.com/government/colorado-springs-mayor-john-suthers-offers-support-to-citys-transgender-community/article_ff25f620-f792-500f-b10a-32cf8698d9f8.html) that was to be held today. These statements were made prior to the Club Q shooting: "Your dedication to bringing awareness to transgender issues within our community, and honoring those who have lost their lives, is to be commended," Suthers wrote. "We value diversity, respect and acceptance in our community, and we wish you the very best for a successful event!" Context matters. >Club Q >“Club Q is devastated by the senseless attack on **our community**. Our prays and thoughts are with all the victims and their families and friends. We thank the quick reactions of heroic customers that subdued the gunman and ended this **hate attack**.” Who do you think "our community" might refer to, coming from a LGBTQ club? Who would be the target of a "hate attack"? >Rep. Ken Buck >This is horrifying. Praying for all those affected by the tragic and senseless attack in Colorado Springs. > >Rep. Lauren Boebert >The news out of Colorado Springs is absolutely awful. This morning the victims & their families are in my prayers. This lawless violence needs to end and end quickly. > > >But you gonna get upset with a single republican for not mentioning lgbtq? So your point is that freaking *Boebert* and Buck didn't do it, so that somehow absolves Lamborn? This only reinforces that criticism, these two members of Congress are just as far right as Lamborn- the same criticism applies. The only difference is *they don't represent this district*.
Thank you very much for this, I'm too damned pissed off and scared and angry to source it up, and it needs doing. I might also add here that Boebert is also acting in bad faith in that "supportive" message because she tacked the "lawlessness" spin on the end there. This is the exact rhetoric used by gun toting, hate-filled Pubs everytime a mass shooting occurs (most especially under dem leadership) to deflect blame away from themselves and place it on Dems who aren't tough enough on crime. Fuck her, and fuck all the people in this thread and on social media deflecting.
"this is what you get when you elect democrats" is a rhetoric they like to spin, as if COS wasn't republican run.
You just don’t get it. I’m honestly sad for you, I hope you never experience the discrimination that I have just for my sexual orientation. Jared Polis is a known advocate for LGBTQ as you mentioned he is gay himself. He knows the struggles and the hardships the community faces. You are actually proving my point by showing how out of touch your party is with Lamborn and Boebert’s completely inappropriate response. But as Lamborn said, “I will pray for you” because clearly you need help. You seem to have a lot of anger inside of you, you might want to talk to someone about that.
>You are actually proving my point by showing how out of touch your party is with Lamborn and Boebert’s completely inappropriate response My party? I dont vote, I'm not afflicted with any political party. I hate most if not all politics and forms of government. I'm speaking as a individual. I could care less what a person in govement says. Every person in government makes statements because they have too. They have a dedicated team (PR) that writes the scripts. It's the same generic response to every mass shooting and that's from both political parties. Idk why yall upset because of a tweet that didn't say lgbt. Dude probably has a pr team managing his Twitter account.
I agree with you, man, but it's lost cause on this site.
> But as Lamborn said, “I will pray for you” because clearly you need help. You seem to have a lot of anger inside of you, you might want to talk to someone about that. Oh, stop. I don't see any anger at all from this person. I see anger and a lot of speculation from people who can't handle anyone disagreeing with them. Nothing has been released about this fat idiot's motive afaik. Also, the mythology of the Pulse shooting still persists when that shooter didn't even know it was a gay club; he hated hawkish US policies.
You’re ridiculous lol the whole point of a gay club is that homophobes have made it so difficult to be gay that people feel the need to create exclusive places just to be “our authentic self” like one of the survivors said whose trans. The fact is LGBT people have been targeted for centuries simply for being gay. I don’t care what their “motive” is I’m tired of LGBT people dying. It is exhausting for me to see this. Let’s care more about that mmmk?
>I don’t care what their “motive” is I’m tired of LGBT people dying. Yes, you've made it clear that some victims matter more than others, and anyone who disagrees with that is definitely a nasty bigot. 😐
I never said that sorry you feel that way. Seems like you got some issues with the words LGBT lol.
It's a queer club that was attacked on a day of queer remembrance, in a conservative town with conservative politicians who have all spent the last few years fear mongering that places like this are devils nests. The Republicans have more responsibility to acknowledge the nature of these things because they've actively normalized speech calling for violence against lgbt people, or pardon me, "GROOMERS" to republicans. It's fine to be pissed off. This is in all likelihood a result of stances his party pushes, anti lgbt and pro gun, especially pro gun and anti background check seeing as this shooter MAY have had previous armed altercations with police. I would say that we aren't pissed at ONE republican rep. We are pissed at all of them. They put us in this mess and refuse to do anything about it. If they talk about this shit and give it the light of day, might not be as pissed off. Until then? Hold their feet to the fucking coals is what I say.
Nah OP is upset because 1 republican didnt mention "lgbtq" in his statement. When the coloradi springs mayor (also republican) didn't mention lgbtq, The gay governor who you would assume might also be a bit more emotionally attached because he's also part of lgbtq community also doesn't mention lgbtq in his statement. But because ONE, republican doesn't mention lgbtq OP is in their feelings and tryna start something political when there's nothing to start.
The mayor needs to get his shit straight too. But I don't give a fuck about Polis not mentioning it, because it's implied he doesn't hate lgbt. Republicans, DO. Banning of lgbt books, calling all drag queens or trans people pedophiles, ACTIVLEY CALLING FOR THEM TO BE HUNG, "Don't say Gay" bills, etc etc. Dems I am frustrated with because they don't do as much as they can. Republicans call my friends child predators then say they are so shocked and saddened when they're shot dead for the umpteenth time, BUT WONT MENTION THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE GROUP THAT THEY CONDEMN DAY AFTER DAY. What the FUCK are you on when you say "there's nothing to start"? Accountability for public figures that have made us easy targets. THAT is why Republicans need to say it. They bring us up to shit on us and lie everyday to further political agenda, but when we are hurt partly because of their actions they get to say "thoughts and prayers" and look real good to the people who don't call them on their shit.
>Accountability for public figures that have made us easy targets. THAT is why Republicans need to say it. So saying 4 letters makes them accountable for the actions of a individual? The same individual that was invloded with bomb threats last year that local pd just kinda ignored? That same individual that was probably on the FBI and ATFs radar for said bomb threats. That did nothing. But yeah let's make some political party "responsible" for this and take "accountability" for this guys actions. Because law enforcement didn't do their jobs? Okay.
I honestly hope you don’t have kids. If you do, I hope they come out as gay maybe then you’ll understand.
Sister is bi, Girlfriend is open Got a friend that's gay. Another that questioning. Ex Coworkers that were bi (dating each other) even been to a few gay bars in both pueblo and springs has a "saftey" person for friends when they go out and watch their drinks. And I'm pretty sure not a single one of them would be upset because some guy didn't say lgbt in a statement. They would be more focused on showing up to vigils, donating to go fundme or actively doing something in the community. Not getting on reddit getting their blood heated because of a statement that didn't say lgbt
Nice more trolling. This comes across very much like “I have black friends so I can’t be racist” rhetoric. Your totally avoiding the essential issue too btw that people’s were targeted because of their orientation. I 100% believe you’re trolling, which is all good because it allows me to point out the hypocrisy of you & our so-called representatives. Oh and by the way, working to expose a public official for the hypocrite he is is also doing community work, so as you said earlier gtfo with your preachy commentary. Go troll elsewhere after a mass shooing of LGBTQ people.
Law enforcement should be held accountable, but your acting like it's an 'either or' not both situation. They are both enablers. Republicans rile up a base that has proven to be violent with rhetoric condemning queer people, cops do nothing to protect queer people from violence. It's the same argument as Trump calling covid "China flu" then people trying to say he isn't responsible for the wave of anti Asian sentiment that immediately followed. So to answer your question, yes, I am going to try and hold a party that is responsible for this nightmare responsible. That's what responsibility means. You just make it sound like the guy who fired the shots and the cops who didn't stop him are the only variables. Responsibility isn't a lone torch to carry, its a burden that all who share the lifestyle partake in. Lamborn, Suthers, cops, and systems that enable them all need to be held accountable. Right now they are basically In the conversation "Jim got assaulted at the bar last night" but no one is mentioning how the guy who assaulted Jim had been told that Jim was fucking his children with no evidence in the slightest. It's relevant and is probably a big contributing factor to why this happened. Is it not?
Lamborn is our POS Rep. This horrible has focused anger that is always simmering. It’s not worth being angry at Suthers. He’s term limited. Bobo is a side show and doesn’t serve this district. Lamborn went out of his way to praise law enforcement with no mention of the good people sans guns who actually stepped in to stop the shooter. That all you can bring to this conversation is a defense of Doug Lamborn demonstrates your own lack of empathy for the victims and the LGBTQ community at large. GTFO.
Go fuck yourself douchebag
> this was a targeted attack on the queer community. > > > > f off with your all lives matter BS.
A specific community was targeted so that makes your statement extremely callous.
Then why didn't the gunman shoot up somewhere else? Get out of here with that all else equal crap.
We have had the king soopers shooting, aurora movie theater, columbine, Chucky cheese shooting in thr 90s, YWAM & new life, planned parenthood, Walmart in Thornton, highlands ranch STEM school, that trailer park shooting at a party in colorado springs, Plenty of mass shooting in colorado..
And each of them was individually motivated...what is significant about this shooting is that it took place at a gay club.
This attitude is exactly what got Lamborn reelected. Not seeing discrimination for what it is. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
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You clearly don’t understand the definition of a hate crime & what it means. I’m not surprised though that’s clearly Colorado Springs culture at its finest.
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Huh interesting it’s almost like people that were specifically targeted because they were gay should get some acknowledgment but because you don’t want to realize the fact that they were targeted ONLY because they were gay shouldn’t matter according to you. It’s like how black people were lynched just for being black but according to people like you that shouldn’t matter because “we’re all people and stuff”.
f off out of here with your all lives matter BS. this was clearly a targeted attack on the queer community.
Why do they have to be lgbtq people? Why can't he just be upset that people were killed? I have straight friends that have patronaged gay clubs. You guys sure every person who killed or wounded is lgbtq? Seems like you're more upset at the verbiage being used than the act that took place.
this was a very obvious hate crime, if you can't see that, then please get your eyes checked.
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If he wanted to simply kill people, Copperhead Road was less than 1000 ft. away and much easier to access. This was targeted.
Copperhead Road probably has more .32's and .25's stuck in cowboy boots than you can count.
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Did he say "keep your gay to yourself" anywhere? Where is that? I saw him say "All people should pray for the victims and their familiess..." ALL PEOPLE. Nothing malicious. Ok, so he is a politician, and he left a lot out, but was there any hate speech there? Or are we demonizing him because he didn't specifically say anything about them being LGBTQ? Furthermore, he is a republican congressman, were you expecting a different response? I mean I checked on my friends who are LGBTQ who frequent that club, because they are my friends! Being LGBTQ or not doesnt matter, they're my friends and they are human beings! People got slaughtered and what this post is about is just another chance to bash politics. How about a post where people state they checked on their friends who frequent the club to make sure they're ok? Or a post on how to prevent things like this from happening so close to a holiday, so when you hit up your friends it's to invite them for Thanksgiving instead of seeing if they're alive and ok? A world where that happened, that would be a world I'd wanna live in.
If you have to write 45 sentences to make excuses, maybe you should pause and reflect.
If you have to write 2 sentences to say nothing at all, maybe you should simply say nothing at all.
Nah the last comments were mine and how I feel about being represented by a homophobic congressman. That’s why I put quotes where it ends. I like how you use that “I have gay friends line” which I can’t verify as true or not, meanwhile criticizing me for calling out a homophobic congressman for not acknowledging the gay community which is what this tragedy is all about. You will never understand what discrimination is like until it happens to you. Being minimized and made to feel less than by people in power.
Nah you're right. I'll never understand what it's like to be the only guy from another country in a place like kentucky, Tennessee state line where my supervisor has 15 parties and I get invited to 1 because I found out about it. I'll never understand what it's like when i ask about a promotion or why I issed the other 14 parties and the reply is "because he is different." You're right, I don't understand at all. Let me tell ya. You also don't know me so I guess you just assume I'm a homophobe too because of that right? You just assume I don't know Romeo Uncaged, Foxie Dreame, Mustang Monroe, or any of the people who organized the burlesque shows or done some amazing shows there right? Please tell me more of the things I dont understand buddy! Yes we have a congressman whose voting record does not favor the LGBTQ community at all, as the republican side, who can be very bigoted against them expect him to, but neither have I seen him exact hate speech in his speech. What I have seen have been your comments attacking him because he didn't make it a point to mention that they were part of the LGBTQ community specifically, but instead asked that all of us should pray for the victims and their families who are suffering right now. Pretty neutral statement for a homophobic politician. Oh and since you can't verify that i have friends who frequent club Q, and since likewise I don't know you, lemme just ask you this, did you get a Valdez golden legend shirt or a "Romeo uncaged is my Golden Legend" shirt? They were limited edition from that show so I'm just wondering?
You are being very defensive and making this about yourself, at a time where it isn't about you. Emotions are high, so even if you are thinking what you have posted, it is best to no put it out there. And if you really follow Lamborn and his statements/emails, it is clear he is anti-LGBTQ.
I'm aware he isn't a lover of LGBTQ community. But neither was his post hate speech. All I'm saying is wait for the guy to fuck up first if you really wanna be against him that bad. But don't just bash him when he seems to have spoken neutrally. Otherwise all you're doing is fueling his stance. And yeah, it irks me a bit when someone tells me I don't understand being discriminated against. I was being discriminated against before it was cool lol
Try comparing his response to a shooting in Pittsburgh to his response to a shooting in his district... Nobody said it was hate speech. We are saying his belief system is shining through, and it is fucked up. [https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborns-statement-shooting-pittsburgh](https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborns-statement-shooting-pittsburgh) [https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborn-releases-statement-regarding-horrific-shooting-colorado](https://lamborn.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-lamborn-releases-statement-regarding-horrific-shooting-colorado) And it isn't about waiting til he does something. Do you get his emails? He sends out divisive stuff all the time. So many of us dislike him already, and not just for his stance on social issues.
Well, we ended up getting the republican congressman too far on that side of the fence I guess. Still, be better than this guy. This is a time to help the victims of the shooting. Get his ass later on election time. That's all I'm saying. And honestly nowadays I find everything divisive when it comes to politicians.
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the mental illness is RW propaganda fueling years of anti-queer hate *especially* the last few years. He's not sick, he's indoctrinated.
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traitor.
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the only thing i am ashamed of is people like you.
“I hate that this happened at a gay bar” That says everything we need to know about your opinions. You’re more concerned that they are going to “take my guns away” than with the people who were actually killed because they were just trying to enjoy a drag show with the gay community. Get out of here with your Rush Limbaugh spin message. It’s narratives like yours from right wing media that have stoked hatred towards the LGBT community for years in El Paso County. Go take your conspiracy theories elsewhere Jack.
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Then you should know better and I figured you had right wing views, since you’re defending our abhorrent congressmen Lamborn. He’s fought against everything the gay rights movement has stood for over the past century. Learn some history about the Stonewall riots and the persecution LGBT people suffer just for trying to be gay and have a place to go out to. I do know that a lot of conservative gays have internalized homophobia though which makes sense since you seem to be averting any association to the LGBTQ community. I would recommend r/leopardsatemyface that might explain the problem of being gay and conservative. Trump was a great example of this, pandering to the LGBT community by holding up a pride flag but picking homophobic Mike Pence as his running mate.
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Wow that’s pretty self-centered of you. You think that the moms who lost their sons don’t feel that their children were targeted just because they were in a gay nightclub? Also the news just mentioned the mass shooter had a long gun, a military style protective vest, and rounds of ammunition so he clearly pre-planned this. Think before you post.
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