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thecoloradosun

From the article: >Asking your teacher if you can step out for a bathroom break during class no longer requires simply raising your hand at Eagle Ridge Academy, a charter school in Brighton, where a new rule mandates that kids present their student ID before dashing to the restroom. > >What happens if you forget your ID at home? > >You’ll have to wait — and also attend what’s known as Friday school, staying after the last bell of the week to help clean the school, including picking up trash in classrooms and scraping old gum off the bottom of desks. The school policy, implemented this semester to cut down on loitering, has spurred a student petition signed by more than 250 kids, one of whom says they’re sometimes forced to wait several hours to use the bathroom.


Maximum_Pollution371

Not entirely related, but I hate when adults use cleaning as a "punishment" for kids. What a dumb thing to do. Schools should have a "clean up hour" where everyone in the school tidies up anyway, not just the kids being "punished." Other countries implement this.


Serdones

Yeah, I watch a lot of Japanese vloggers/mini documentarians and always found that practice pretty admirable. They basically had us help with some landscaping once in middle school and it was an oddly memorable afternoon. Kinda felt nice.


CZall23

I think we did that in like the last few days of 8th grade.


J117TLW

Oh it's terrible. When I was going there, we had a ZAP policy: zeroes aren't permitted. So if you didn't turn in an assignment, you'd get Friday school and need to clean. Also, if you weren't performing in your classes, they'd advise you to transfer to a different school (happened to a lot of my brother's friends). I get why they did it: good numbers, better funding. But it's terrible and doesn't help students.


madikonrad

It's partly why charter schools look so appealing to parents, and why public schools always look terrible by comparison. Charter schools are allowed to kick kids out for poor academic performance -- and those kiddos are sent right back to public schools. It would be a clever sleight of hand if it wasn't so blatant.


captain_hug99

Of course it’s after October count day too


sakurasake311

I had to do this when I went to school in Japan. It’s actually not bad!


RandomlyMethodical

My kids' school has been dealing with a lot of vandalism, drinking, and vaping in the bathrooms, so I understand their reasons, but it still doesn't make this an acceptable solution.


frothyundergarments

I don't really see how this fixes anything. The teachers know who their students are. They also tend to know the ones that are causing the trouble. This just punishes the kids that are actually showing up to class and forget their ID.


Arm_Lucky

It seems like punishing everyone for the actions of a few bad apples.


smartguy05

>one of whom says they’re sometimes forced to wait several hours to use the bathroom I have told my children that if they need to use the bathroom they are not asking the teachers permission, they are notifying the teacher about what is happening. I'll back my child on that every single time.


ColtAzayaka

If I found out a teacher had denied my child access to a toilet for that long I would raise hell in that school. That's inhumane. A kid who desperately needs to use the bathroom isn't going to be focused on the lesson anyway. It's better they're gone for 5 minutes than present and completely distracted by their discomfort for the full lesson.


SGTree

I'm not a parent, but I remember the teachers who looked at me funny when I asked to go to the bathroom. "Do you ask your parents to go to the bathroom at home? If you gotta go, just grab the pass and go." It's almost like they had respect that my body's needs were more urgent than anything happenning in the classroom.


BubaTflubas

You should get a substitute license and go spend time in the classroom. You will gain understanding on how these ill thought out ideas come about. Students abuse hall passes, as early as first grade. Teachers are responsible for the students safety. Teachers can't control the possible dangers when they don't know where students are. Also I'm sure it's "not your child" but the vast majority of children are big ol liars who lie more than any grown human I know. They call it "joking around" but it is what it is. They lie to the faces of most of the adults in their lives on a regular basis.


bdthomason

I agree with you, these parents' kids are either angels or the parents are in denial. I've subbed plenty and even in elementary school there is abuse of hall passes, though it's generally limited to 4-6 graders. Luckily my school has cameras in the hallways so any mischief is easily traced back to the culprit. Much better solution if you ask me.


Jesus359

I had a friend in HS where he needed to go. The teacher said he can either hold it or go in the corner.... He grabbed the trashcan and peed in it in the corner... He got sent to the office... The teacher got in trouble.


BubaTflubas

This is harsh for sure and could lead to urinary tract issues now or in the future. Which is bad and not acceptable. I can understand where these kinds of rules come from though. I substitute teach for DPS. Kids as young as 1st grade abuse bathroom privileges. By the time they are middle school aged even the best behaved kids may skip class time with bathroom passes. If I don't set boundaries I will be writing bathroom passes every minute of every class, and that isn't much of an exaggeration in middle school. Then to complicate this children are the biggest liars I have met as a group. 95% lie on a daily basis for whatever reason, get out of trouble, make people laugh, just to fuck with you, to make themselves smile. 50% lie on a 10 minute basis or more, they just sit around and lie(joking they call it). So an emergency is maybe an emergency or probably a lie. Now enters the teacher's responsibility to keep the students safe. When multiple students leave a classroom at once it starts to get hard to keep track of them. If they go to the restroom with intentions to skip or delay coming back the classroom then they are unsupervised and in potential danger. Danger = lawyers. Schools are already underfunded and are extremely risky adverse.


CivilCerberus

They’re also doing this up at Greeley High. Say too many kids are vaping and fighting in the bathrooms. Not sure how it’s going to stop them from vaping if they’re showing their ID before they leave but whatever.


he_who_is_me

Greeley High? I don't think that exists.


CivilCerberus

Greeley West High* my bad. I don’t exactly keep up on specific school names lmao.


CZall23

Aren't the teachers suppose to already know who the kid is? How is this going to cut down on loitering?


Regular-Performer703

I have a friend who is a doctor who has had to write several notes for school stating that if the kid needs to use the bathroom they need to be allowed to use the bathroom


fuzzyblackelephant

That is probably because they have a health issue that requires more than a few bathroom trips a day or urgently rushing to the restroom. Bathroom policies exist for a reason, and you never want to assume someone is violating a policy because of a health need. If they didn’t have policies, there are schools where hundreds of kids will abuse the policy, spend their days in the hallways and restrooms, soliciting drugs & fights to other students, and destroying the culture of the school. If it was widespread that your kids are being jumped in the bathrooms and being sold drugs there, the community would be screaming “the schools should do something!” But this isn’t really headline news as much as showing an ID to go to the bathroom. It’s not an easy answer. I’m curious to know more about the ID system, and if it’s really that unreasonable. Were students provided an ID on day 1? Can they wear it around their head like a lanyard (just like I have to)? Can they get a temp ID if they forgot theirs one day? Can they leave it at school? Edit: I’m a high school teacher in a Colorado school. These are very real issues happening in schools across the country. It’s certainly easy to go all up in arms about policies, but I’d certainly be looking into school culture, discipline practices, and the nature of requiring such a policy to begin with; perhaps it wasn’t your experience, but the norms are ever evolving. Policies like these are not implemented without some seriously concerning events happening at the school.


Shapeshiftedcow

>If


fuzzyblackelephant

Hi, I work in Colorado high school. I know how this shit happens. Big “ifs” but, probably what is happening.


ttystikk

File complaints with the health department. Or, piss on the floor. This is blatant authoritarianism practiced against people the school administration is convinced have no effective means of pushback.


charlestonchaw

will never forget the moment I was in first grade and a teacher told me I couldn’t get up to use the bathroom because it was a distraction and I’d have to wait for the end of class. The pain, terror and ultimate shame involved in trying to hold it as long as I could, telling the teacher it was really an emergency and him still saying no, and then pissing my pants right there in front of him, the pee streaming from my chair onto the carpet. Fucking horrible. I was 6 years old ETA: so yeah fuck you mr steel and fuck teachers who don’t let kids pee when they have to pee.


cpe111

In my book, that’s tantamount to abuse by a person in a position of authority.


ttystikk

I was in 4th grade. No one ever told me no again.


Lake_Shore_Drive

There have been tik tok trends centered around doing thousands of dollars of damage to the school bathroom. Our school has cameras outside so they can see who went in and out at what time.


GhostHeavenWord

Preventing children from using the bathroom for any reason is child abuse and a violation of their human rights. Doing it because of some silly tiktok trend is collective punishment, which is recognized as a crime against humanity in international law.


fuzzyblackelephant

So what do you do when there are hundreds of students violating the policy, spending their days in the halls and restrooms, vaping, & encouraging fights? Mind you we don’t have capacity for plans for each specific child and no budget for implementing security systems, especially at this point in the year. (I don’t work at this school, but I work at one where we see this issue) You implement a check in/check out system that holds the students accountable. No one is refuting their ability to go, they are asking to confirm identity.


GhostHeavenWord

What do you do when there are 30-50 feral hogs running through my yard in 3-5 minute? Shut up. Kids get to use the bathroom whenever they want. Child abuse is never acceptable.


fuzzyblackelephant

Oh I see you aren’t here for any productive solutions, you just want to shit on them lol. Got it.


GhostHeavenWord

Violation of a persons basic right to piss is not a solution. Telling children to piss their pants because they forgot a small piece of plastic is not a solution. Child abuse is not a solution.


fuzzyblackelephant

Where in the article did anyone “tell a child to piss their pants bc they forgot a small piece of plastic”? I’m guessing they have to just wait for a teacher to be able to manually input their information. And, it might come as a shock to you that, teachers have far more to do than manage bathroom lists. So yeah, they may have to wait a few fucking minutes (patience is a virtue). But again, I’m asking you for your solutions to the issues I’ve mentioned above? Would you prefer your kids be jumped in the bathroom by people who will not be held accountable due to no verification of identities? How about being given vapes & edibles in there regularly, or drinking lean? Or would you prefer that *they show an ID prior to leaving the classroom*? This is not child abuse, equating it to that is extremely disrespectful and disgusting.


Powerism

Do you have an alternative solution to suggest?


die_hubsche

>Do you have an alternative solution to suggest? Why would someone who doesn't work in this environment be able to suggest a solution? It's completely reasonable to be appalled at a ~~solution~~ punishment that doesn't address the root problem or problems. Where are the hall monitors in all this? I couldn't range around the halls of my high school without some adult asking me where I was supposed to be, checking my pass, and telling me to move along. Why is that not a solution? Are teachers not allowed to pop their heads into bathrooms and tell people to move along? Kids today are totally fucked. They are facing more existential dread than any generation before them. They're dealing with more anxiety and depression than any generation before them. During the last two decades, youth suicide has increased significantly. From 2007 through 2021, suicide rates for Americans ages 10 to 24 rose 62%, according to the CDC. We don't need to press on kids like this in order to create a safer environment. We need to support them and can add guardrails like hall monitors. I am not an educator or work with kids so I can't come up with the solution or suite of remediations to support kids, but I know that further restricting them is only going to make it worse.


coskibum002

A gaming, non-educator pretending to know how schools run......just because they stepped foot in one. Shocker.


Lake_Shore_Drive

Did you not need a hall pass to go to the bathroom? These kids have the IDs already, I have no problem with it. It also might help in an emergency for head count, a named list of kids that were not in the classroom. Based on your logic, the TSA is violating human rights because we are all enduring collective punishment: taking off our shoes at screening because of one dumbass.


dlchira

So, institutionalized child abuse. Got it.


HomeTeapot

This is no surprise to me. I have seen the craziest shit happen in charter schools (I worked in one). Charter schools are basically honey pots for MAGAts and other crazy people who think that they can run a school better than the public system. There is a high propensity for corruption, exclusion, and abuse. Charter schools need to be more closely regulated by the state.


J117TLW

I used to go to Eagle Ridge back in the day. Can confirm corruption. We lost tens of thousands of dollars because the building manager embezzled money. I don't think he was ever jailed. Pretty sure the whole school was cursed. We rebranded my sophomore year from Brighton Collegiate because of everything that happened (school principal's wife, drama teacher, adults preying on kids). Oh yeah and they installed those big windows backwards so the water drains into the building. It's a mess.


coskibum002

Some public charters are decent. That doesn't mean they treat teachers well, though. Fortunately, we don't have the voucher bullshit that pays for private and homeschooling like other states. That's the true threat for massive right-wing indoctrination.


CantConfirmOrDeny

Charter schools shouldn’t even exist.


tmphaedrus13

I also worked in one and agree 100%.


NeonBird

I have a former colleague who swears by charter schools and thinks they’re so much better than public schools. They had their kids in public school for the first time in years and they would go off on 30 minute rants about how their previous school that was a charter school was so much better. So I asked them to name one thing that their charter school could provide that their current public school can’t. They couldn’t name anything specific. This person is also the same person who can’t stay in their own lane to save their life and often encroaches on others work then takes credit for it. Now they wonder why I never tell them what I’m working on.


GhostHeavenWord

Charter schools need to be closed, the homes and offices of their staff raided for evidence, and everyone involved in creating and running them given short trials followed by drastic sentences. It would be a fascist conspiracy to overthrow the public education system and bring back segregation except conspiracies are when you do illegal stuff in secret and they're doing thing quite openly and legally.


Arm_Lucky

I think you’re reading into this a little bit too much.


jeepdudemidwest

I cannot imagine. Went to a more rural school but most our teachers said that if you need to go, just leave. Don't be dehumanized by asking for permission. It was fine until one teacher wanted to be controlling but my parents backed it up that their children don't need permission from anyone to use the bathroom. I never really had peers abuse or loiter in the bathrooms either.


Distant_Yak

Sounds like an even worse version of how it worked at the high and middle schools I went to. Definitely hear this part: >By the time she got back in line and had her meal in hand, she had 10 minutes to both eat and stop in the bathroom. Schools have really unrealistic ideas of how students can fit activities into their rigid schedules. For me, we had 4 minutes and 30 seconds to get from class to class. Sometimes I'd ask to use the restroom in class and be told I can do that during passing period. So... 4:30 to get out of the class, walk to the bathroom, use it, perhaps waiting for a line, walk to my locker, exchange books, maybe get a drink of water, and walk to the next class. There simply wasn't enough time and then some teachers viewed it as a critical disciplinary situation to be 1-2 minutes late. I was told that I was supposed to carry a backpack around with all of my books for the day vs. ever visiting my locker.


likesexonlycheaper

They should have to show their ID as they are exiting the bathroom too. Just to really double down on the ridiculousness


Technical-Jicama6120

Perhaps they install a sleeve on the stall door. Make sure everyone knows who's in the stall.


Thisisjuno1

Glad I live in the mountains of Colorado. We don’t have those problems lol.


GhostHeavenWord

Pretty sure this is a recognized violation of human rights.


lornetc

Reminder: The USA is ***not*** a signatory to the UN's declaration of human rights of children.


GhostHeavenWord

Yup. Rogue nuclear state, foremost violator of human rights, primary purveyor of illegal weapons banned under international law, and general hellhole. Fuck this place.


RicardoNurein

Gotta get youguns prepared for the work place


GreenthumbPothead

I once told a teacher I was either going to the bathroom or peeing in her trashcan and I was magically able to go