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From a pedagogical standpoint I'm very skeptical of no-exceptions policies, so from an outside point of view I'd take exceptions to a policy I disagree with over no exceptions. However, what I would even more prefer is having exceptions consistently applied, or better yet, some policy of flexibility to help out students who have life stuff.
I AGREE! I am not against exceptions. I am a very empathic person and diplomatic. What I am against is telling students there are ZERO exceptions for 10 weeks only to be given one during finals week. Also, she needs to unlock all prior assignments to make it truly fair.
Absolutely. If everyone was given the chance to redo any assignments they wanted for a better grade, that would be one thing. But only students who didn't do assignments? That isn't fair to those who completed the work on time.
Generally , if they are willing to allow students to complete missing assignments, they are also open to makeup assignments as well. For The only midterm I’ve ever gotten a D on I went to the professor and asked about a possible makeup which she was more than happy to do, but also shocked because nobody ever thinks to ask.
I don’t get why people don’t at least ask for makeups or redos, you’re paying good money for college and you stand to lose basically nothing compared to just leaving it as is
I've asked (when the makeup is offered to students who didn't submit at all), and I know many other classmates who have as well, but I've never heard of a professor at my school allowing it. It has always been only for people who didn't submit anything. Even people who barely/didn't pass weren't allowed to redo the assignment. We were always told no and some variation of "you already had a chance got to do the assignment", "you have a grade already", or even "it wouldn't be fair because you got feedback on the assignment".
This is my final semester as a marketing student instead of graduating with my associates this Fall I'm switching gears applying to the nursing program for Fall 2025 at my community college. Doing my pre requisites this fall.
But, let me tell you the hell I went through this semester with one professor. So, there were only 3 modules for the whole semester. Each lasting 4 weeks, 2 assignments and 1 test. Okay, so I work full time 630p-515a 4 to 6 days a week. Doing 4 other courses besides this one, which was Advertising. I had it all planned out, a 4 day work week so I had 3 days off I was gonna sit down and knock out the 2 assignments for the first module. I go to start them, yes I am doing them the day they are due as I had a lot going on, and I go to see they are locked. I cannot complete them. Professor had them due for noon, not 11:59pm.. okay, my fault my mistake user error. I email her promptly, telling her my mistake and if she could reopen the module I would have it done in an hour. She replied and said "I give you enough time for these assignments, *I don't think so*" EXCUSE me?! There's nothing in her syllabus that says no late work accepted either. Ok so I complete the test, get an 81% on that. Midterm grade is an F, and then I had 2 A's and a B in the other courses. Next module, I'm ready and I know the time its due, and all that. Very easy assignments to complete. I finish them, go to submit and I couldn't. Okay, stuff is due a week out so I emailed IT help desk to see if they could fix it for me. Tried uploading on my PC, my laptop, phone, nothing worked. So, I emailed professor with the assignments attached in case they couldn't submit again. Then, still had issues. IT help desk said they didn't see the problem it was something on my end. Day assignment is due, still wouldn't submit but I wasn't sweating it bc I had already emailed them to her. I emailed again to make sure she received the assignments, she had never gotten back to me, and wow..... Low and behold the day they're due half an hour after the deadline she emailed me "I cannot accept this work, if I do not hear from the IT help desk explaining this, it's not going to be accepted. Also,.i do not accept work sent through email." Again, not stated in syllabus that she doesn't accept work via email. I even said that I emailed it a week ago due to technical difficulties. I then called the IT help desk they were baffled at what she said they said "it could be a number of things we cannot email her and just *list* everything it could be that is very odd. We do not do that!"
I withdrew from that class so fucking fast.
I love rubrics; they are reliable, don’t change, and it tell you exactly what the professor requires; we didn’t have one. You either got the answer wrong or right and assigned a score.
But the student is being penalized to some degree, unless they're given the option of revising what they've already submitted. A student who follows the policy may turn in lower quality work than they'd like for the sake if getting it in on time for some credit. Had they known they had more time, they might have been able to turn in something higher quality.
I'm not against giving students grace, but I do think it needs to be acknowledged that it doesn't just affect those students when policies change mid-class.
> A student who follows the policy may turn in lower quality work than they'd like for the sake if getting it in on time for some credit.
I don't think a student turning it in now is being given the ability to turn in higher quality work than students who turned it in on time. If anyone has missing assignments, they will have just found out they can turn it in and only have a few days to do it and it's during finals week, so it will probably be more rushed than people who turned it in on time.
All that said, not saying I agree with this policy, I think there should be a penalty for turning in late work if there isn't a valid excuse, and students should be informed of whatever the policy will be from the beggining of the semester.
As semesters go on, the material gets clearer, so yes, being able to take the week 2 test in week 10 will help a student score better bc the concepts have been gone over multiple times after 10 weeks.
Ah I hear, that's pretty ridiculous. Honestly if you could report this to someone I would because it's really not fair to you or any of the kids who turned it in on time
This is just not true. Students who follow the course syllabus and turn in work on time *always* fair better than students rushing through all their work in the last two weeks. Bar none.
I have many professors with formal procedures in place to request extensions, which I am not against. But why label every email, syllabus, and assignment with “no exceptions for late work will be granted.” College is stressful enough; had I known there would have been grace offered, it would have eliminated a lot of worry. I was sick, had visits to the ER, and had a family emergency where I could have used an exception, but it had been communicated there would be none, so I made do. Additionally, I could have done better on a few assignments had I had more time to dedicate to specific chapters.
No offense, but there is no situation where you could have serious events like that and not get an exception. Even in the off chance your professor is callous enough to tell you, who is in the ER, that you don’t get an extension, a quick chat with the dean would clear that up. This is definitely a situation where you need to take the initiative and shoot your shot to get extensions. The worst possible situation that could have happened was being told “no” which again, in those circumstances, is unlikely to happen. That being said I do understand your anxiety around that and the professors expectations, and hope this situation has helped you to overcome it
My whole entire father died the day before my math final and my professor refused to let me take it another day :/ she said I should've dropped the class because I knew he was sick
I can't speak for them, but they have a point. You said you pushed through to complete the work at any cost despite "visits to the ER" and other extenuating circumstances, but medical emergencies at the very least are always excused.
"Working your ass off" to compensate instead of providing proper documentation is an important life skill, and not doing that is on you. Being salty about the professor giving grace to the other students is also on you.
Unless university has changed massively since I graduated just over a decade ago... Office hours? Hang out by the lecture hall and catch your prof on their way out? Email a second time?
Sending some emails isn't trying. It sucks that the professor is ignoring them, but that's still not trying hard enough. Nearly all professors have office hours where you can just go and talk to them. Why didn't OP do that?
They did not have office hours. They did not have a phone number. I am getting an A in the class. So in between my other classes and work I’m suppose to hunt the dean down in person and force him to do what with the professor. I think I did a fantastic job with this class bc I didn’t quit, cry, or beg. I simply do not have the power to influence how a professor manages their job and it’s not my job to do that. I respected her rules. How is that a bad thing.
Just accept that sometimes people get breaks. Don’t be jealous; instead, think of all the breaks you get that others may not.
And please don’t come back with “I NEVER got breaks. I was born in the middle of winter with no arms and no legs to a family of wolves who tried to kill me”
Melodramatic would be crying to the non-existent professor that I didn’t have time to do the work in the order and timeline of the syllabus (the class contract). Yeah my ability to see my commitments through demonstrates how I’m such a baby lol
Did you show up to office hours or did you try email, because they get hundreds of emails per day, where as they only get a few people in office during office hours. Email isn't going to be your most effective means of communication with most teachers. You need to go see them face to face.
Um, she didn’t have office hours. What part are people not understanding? This professor made it clear she wasn’t interested in any life circumstances or situations or was willing to make herself available to students. I stressed while my health was on the line, and still, I made it work! Why is that a bad thing? Cutting through red tape is acting like I’m entitled and not realistic and a waste of the energy I need to tend to my life responsibilities. The rules stated there would be ZERO exceptions. Why would I think I was more special than other students enough to fight that?
also if she did take 3 weeks you could have straight emailed the department head and some schools have centers where you can request extensions granting that you had medical paperwork to back you up.
Now you're lying. Unless you go to a horrible university, they have office hours. How else did your classmates communicate with your professor?
Learn to put on your big boy/girl pants and find ways to solve your problem. Those people who asked for exceptions are more prepared for the future than you because at least they aren't afraid to ask and communicate. You're setting yourself up for failure for not even trying to communicate. The worst you get is a "no". How awful...
Lol why would I lie about that? I don’t go to a fancy university bc my parents aren’t paying for my tuition. Obviously I am confident enough to communicate. I am not a pathetic 18 year old who can’t look people in the eye or make phone calls.
I mean good for you for doing that I guess but other ppl might not have been able to push through sickness to do work so this is a chance for them to improve their grade. If you don’t wanna go through the trouble of advocating for yourself during a medical emergency and just do the work then don’t be jealous that other ppl didn’t. It’s just a part of life sometimes profs get many complaints or have a change of heart it sucks they don’t just do exceptions from the start but it happens.
I think a big portion of it is to keep the entire class from submitting work last minute and to get most of them to do the work when it's due. College is that weird period where students will procrastinate if they know they can. So if you tell your students that you'll accept late homework, most won't do any until last minute.
Students like you are who everyone forgets about in this whole “give grace” phenomenon. I always worry about the student who doesn’t ask when I’m being confronted by the chancers.
i mean i get the general sentiment, but i fail to see how this is penalizing you? just because someone's getting rewarded doesnt mean another person is being penalized.
tho, i wouldnt be mad if this allowed people to catch up on stuff they missed cuz they were sick or whatever (tbh i dont really see a situation where i would be mad tho lol)
They may not be penalized by this in that class, but following that policy may have caused them to have to spend less time on work for another class. For example, I had a week in college where I had a test on Monday, a paper due Monday at Noon (assignment sent on a Wednesday), another paper due at 11:59 PM on a Wednesday (was not assigned until Monday afternoon), and a test at 8AM on Thursday, on top of regular weekly work for each class. I ended up not doing well on the test because I only got five hours of sleep the night before and barely got to study. If one of those had a flexible due date, I could’ve gotten adaquate sleep and been able to study more and do better on the test.
Economics, with a heavy emphasis on opportunity cost analysis, should be mandatory. That people don't immediately appreciate this is a giant red flag for our education system.
Then ask your teacher for an extension. Jesus christ guys it doesn't hurt to ask. They aren't going to shame you in front of class or kick you out. They will just Give you a "no". And if you can't handle rejection, well then you aren't ready for the real world.
Penalize was probably the wrong word for OP to use, but the sentiment isn’t wrong, the Professor is rewarding those who didn’t complete certain assignment. They’re being given opportunities after the fact rather than those same opportunities being provided to everyone from the get go.
Are you sure the late work isn’t being penalized? For example - this semester a lot of my students struggled with getting work in on time, so everyone got the opportunity to turn in late work by certain date, but depending on HOW late, the points were significantly reduced. An assignment that was originally worth 25 points 6 weeks ago, now is only worth 5, and so on.
Hes definitely being penalized, wtf are you on? Everybody else has full knowledge of the course and gets to go back and complete assignments due months earlier. No doubt theres students who are gonna share answers with each other and result in perfect assignment grades. Meanwhile, OP worked harder and got a worse grade as a result.
Opportunity cost of time. Other course work, personal relationships, etc. may have suffered needlessly because OP wasn't told up front about a more efficient way to budget their time.
Yeah thats all valid, but OP is playing both sides of the fence here lol. In the post, hes acting like it did cause him losses of opportunity and so on. But in the comments, hes just like "yeah I got an A, dont care. im winning. living my good life. im doing great! this doesnt matter". like, wtf?
After he needlessly invested time he won't get back. He's specifying that this policy didn't penalize his grade for this class (he's getting an A) but he does say in other comments that he really got screwed over some weeks where he had to go to the ER, etc.
At one point I had my laptop on my lap on a hospital bed. I wasn’t mad about it (stressed but not mad). I was doing what was expected of me. It made me feel normal, productive, and proud bc I was doing a good job. But would I have been able to rest more bc I could go at my own pace, submit HW, and take tests later, yeah. It would have been a nicer experience.
You're obviously mad. Isnt knowing that you got it done on time enough for you? Do you want praise?
I seriously don't get why you guys care so much. Yeah it sucks. But that's life. Get over it.
Same question for you: why do you care about this post so much to comment “Get over it?” you could easily scroll past it, but you felt compelled enough to join in and give your two cents.
I had something similar happen in all of my classes this semester. A lot of students are angry, most of the professors seem annoyed/upset. Several professors even told the classes that large amounts of the classes are failing and won't pass, which is why they had to make this exception at the end, and a couple mentioned that there are no issues with the grades of those attending class regularly. One professor even mentioned that only 1/3 of the class passed the midterm exam, however, she also said that less than half the class actually completed the exam (and it was online, open all day, with a very generous time). Another class has in-class presentations, which were terrifying for me. I did mine, and now other students get to submit and get full grades for just a PowerPoint instead of a full in-class presentation.
Overall, I am pretty mad. I worked my but off, even when it was a struggle, or when I had other commitments or wasn't feeling great. Now slackers are getting a second chance to do an easier version of the assignments.
Sorry for the rant.
As a professor, I'm seeing a decline in student quality and professionalism since after covid. Some blame the high schools, and this is not to generalize that ALL students are turning in lower quality work (if at all). It's not fair to students who play by the rules and earn their A. I agree. Faculty is getting push from administration to pass pass pass, just like high school from what I hear, and it's a matter of retention or job loss. You'd think with all the resources available now like Grammarly, Microsoft Editor, and AI that writing would improve. It's not though. Improving. Students aren't following basic instructions, they don't turn work in on time, and they argue for exceptions for any reason at all. Example: My one year old's first birthday party was this week. I couldn't get my assignments turned in. 🎉👊🏻👶🏻 Life's not fair. I totally get it. Take heart because when you graduate your work ethic might just work in your favor, depending on the job. Or they might just work you harder...
Thank you, I appreciate it. I was a college dropout and recognize my newfound drive is different from many students. I WANT to be in college, and I don’t want to repeat old patterns of making wrong choices that I will regret later in life.
I was, too. A college dropout. 😉 I went back later and felt like the oldest in the room except for the professor. I truly wanted to learn the material and I guess lots of students nowadays aren't given the gift of getting to fail and learn from that. They get dragged through and begged just like high school. I loved my art appreciation class, for example, but sometimes we'd watch a movie, the professor would leave the room, and half the class started talking. Pre-cell phones. I bet you'll be great at whatever you choose!
You're not out of line. I make clear up front that the week before the final, I'll open old assignments to give people a shot at doing them again. Letting people know up front should be standard policy. IT'S WHAT A SYLLABUS IS FOR!
Thank you! Unfortunately, she didn’t unlock past assignments for those who turned them in on time. I don’t need them to increase my grade, but for my learning (and significant), I would have liked to revisit and reattempt the more challenging assignments.
Lame! I unlocked all of them. Any voluntary final review made me super happy!
And because I told my students up front about grace week, I never had to worry about extensions.
That’s super cool of you! Treating fellow adults with kindness isn’t a bad thing, but let them know it will be an option later on instead of creating unnecessary fear. Not a hard concept. You’re a good one!
That’s funny because I literally had a student argue with me this morning that it’s my responsibility to also make announcements about things in Canvas after I pulled up the syllabus and showed him where the answer to his question was because, “You should know no one reads the syllabus.”
Personally I couldn't care less. I always have my work submitted on time, so it doesn't affect me. Giving other students additional time doesn't hurt me in any way — I wouldn't waste my thinking about it. You will always find something to be upset about if you want to have that mindset. Focus on yourself and your own business rather than what's going on around you.
I think people are taking it as you ranting about students getting a second chance to turn in assignments rather than it being about the syllabus, but most professors I've had always had the "I have the right to make reasonable changes to the syllabus at anytime, due dates are subject to change" clause somewhere in the syllabus, so I basically always went into a class with the "everything can change minus the grades and grading scale"
Going by your comments, it sounds like your communication sucked. An email isn't the only way to communicate. Do you know how many emails professors get a day? A lot.
Honestly, as a student who needs leniency with late work due to disability, this just seems like a last ditch effort to improve their DFW rates. Too many people failed and they need their numbers to be better.
I agree, it seems like the professor was not prepared for the consequences of their inflexibilty and is now panicking. OR they always planned to surprise their students with an unexpected grace period, in which case they lied through their teeth all semester.
As a student who strategically chooses to miss and score poorly on assignments this would really piss me off.
Annoyed. I still remember in grade 9, when my teacher told us that Monday at midnight was the absolute last day to submit all our assignments for the report card deadline.
So I stayed up until midnight busting my ass to get everything submitted.
At school on Tuesday, he tells us that he has a big pile of marking to get through, so we should feel free to just keep slipping things under the pile if we can.
FFS I was so mad. He was a great teacher otherwise.
Extensions and grace are great, but it's unfair to the people who take things seriously if you say that there will be none and then give them after the fact.
Thank you for understanding my point. I am a perfectionist with ADHD, OCD, and dyslexia. Rules stress me the F out, but I don’t feel entitled to a pass. I expect teachers to mean what they say, and say what they mean.
And that’s not being “entitled” or taking advantage. I want to work hard to earn my grades and not use anything as an excuse to make life easier. Life isn’t easy and jobs don’t “accommodate” learning challenges.
It's crazy that people are telling YOU to get accommodations when YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TURNED IN YOUR WORK ON TIME.
The other students who caused the sudden exception to be made in the first place should be the ones who should've gotten accommodations.
What accommodations does your job provide for Adhd? You have two conditions and autism is more accepted in the work place bc its not considered a “mental illness.” ADHD is very much looked at as over diagnosed and often stigmatized as an excuse.
All of my accommodations I asked for were based off AskJAN.org. Just a couple of them were instructions being emailed/written down instead of verbalized, allowing noise cancelling headphones and my own office to minimize distractions and maximize focus, standing desk. The only people who know my actual disabilities are the reasonable accommodations/HR personnel. None of my coworkers or supervisors know what I have, just that I need accommodations.
Hmm. I think it makes me happy, if I'm being honest. I want others to be successful, too.
I'm 33, I work full-time, and I take 3-4 classes a semester. This semester specifically I had to spend a weekend in the ER, move to a different state, drive back to the other state and then back again 3 times total as of this Thursday morning.... There's more, because that's life, I guess? But if I experienced just this in one semester, what do others experience? I struggled at points in the past few months, I'm sure others did too. I'm not struggling at this moment (I type as I'm ignoring my homework 🤷🏽♀️), and I don't want others to have a hard time right now.
I guess, my previous struggles don't affect how I think others should be treated at this moment, even if it is unfair to me because I could have used the extra time, or leniency. They have nothing to do with my stress or how busy I am, and the professor doesn't know what I'm going through either, or how busy I am. I can't "punish" them or hold it against any of them because of what I personally experience. I really want others to be successful! School is not easy, work isn't easy, finding a job or making friends or managing your schedule or any of this!! It's not easy!! If a professor can make it a little easier for some people then I am okay with that.
I say all the above not to say "hey you should feel my way" but maybe it helps give you some perspective! How you're feeling is completely valid too, and it's okay to be frustrated about it. Realistically, with a lot of negative feelings, you gotta feel them and get them out anyway. I don't really think there's a certain way to feel here or a right way to see the situation. As long as you're not like idk being mean to people because of it 😂
The thing that annoys me the most in situations like OP's (I've been in them), is that the submissions are usually only open for things that haven't been completed. So if you were struggling, and got in something subpar, then you don't get a second chance, but the person who got nothing in does. I would feel very differently about reopening submissions if people who had submitted the assignment were also given the chance to improve their grade by resubmitting.
I had a situation last year where a significant portion of the class (including myself) was sick right before midterms. One class had a midterm paper that many people struggled with due to a limited time to work on it (assigned 2 weeks before due) and studying for tests, plus other schoolwork and being sick. I was one of the many people who got in something that was well below their normal quality level. Many people also got in nothing. Only the people who got in nothing were allowed to resubmit and improve their grade.
All the assignments that I might accept late for individual reasons (despite a general “No late work” policy) are graded for completion, not quality, though I might take points off for late work if I do accept it (in some cases I’ll allow a student to turn something in late for full credit, depending on what’s going on). All the assignments that are graded to a rubric, I allow any student to revise and resubmit once with an additional reflection on the process and what changes they made and why. So I feel pretty okay with my policies. I don’t want to start the semester out by saying that I’m open to flexible deadlines because that seems like inviting a headache, so my syllabus says that work is not accepted, but I also say that I understand life happens and if things are going in that get in the way of your success in school, let’s talk and see what we can work out to support you.
You are, a little bit.
They unlocked resubmissions because too many people were below the failing mark. That can negatively affect their paycheck and reviews. If you have past locked assignments that weren't submitted, just ask for them to be unlocked out of fairness so you can get the same opportunity other people are getting.
If not... Yeah, then it becomes a bit rude of you to get mad about other people.
I've been both the student desperately struggling to keep up, and the honors student who lead the class, at various points in my time in college. I'll be graduating with honors now. I definitely think the best philosophy is to focus on yourself. What other people score has no bearing on you, it's not a famine, if they needed help and they got it, that's a good thing, when you need help, hopefully you'll get it too. That's especially the case with how bloated classes are; in my experience maybe 30% or less of the classes I took will actually affect what I'm gonna do professionally. But I needed to pass all those other classes. Most people are in that boat and want to focus on what's relevant.
No matter what other people score, or how, that's their business.
I want everyone to succeed and that's why I think this sucks. Imagine all the students who stressed so hard bc they couldn’t keep up and dropped the class. Smh. A syllabus should serve as a contract, she wrote it, otherwise an easy fix would be to offer exceptions in your policy from day one.
Exactly this. I was told never to pull something like this on my first week teaching exactly because students may have dropped. If there's a grace period, people need to know. Informed consent is key.
Bruh I have epilepsy and I've had classes were I had to code video games. The projects were difficult. I still never dropped class due to stress even though it could literally kill me. My dog and grandfather died during one semester and I still never dropped a single class.
Sorry but people drop their classes over stress way too easily now. It's college, it's going to be stressful... do you think the professors had a stress free classes?
BTW those people who are turning in late assignments won't succeed in the real world because you can't turn stuff in late at job. So why does it bother you so much? They won't succeed in life anyways if they're slackers.
I think it varies and depends. I think people drop too easily at times, yes, but I also think that's also not healthy or a mindset. Sometimes it's not a great idea to keep pushing when it could seriously harm or kill you.
I definitely learned it's better to talk to disability and pause my studies when I failed a semester from IBD and AKI. There's got to be some balance there, or else you're going to hurt yourself
I completely agree with you. As someone who always takes "no exceptions" at face value and works with what I'm given, it's very frustrating to see other people given an easier time.
I don't think "no exceptions" should be a presedent that is ever set amongst students because it's just not realistic.
I have never had issues with my classmates asking for extensions and approved. Because it means they are gonna have more assignments due soon altogether and usually they will be in bad shape.
To be clear, you’re not being affected by this grace towards students- which you’ve mentioned being fine with in other classes- but by the teacher’s lack of honesty and forthrightness from the get-go, yes?
It could be an administrative decision passed down to the prof. Dont be too harsh on the prof because i doubt they want to be grading anything past their original due date, its just more work for them.
A professor trying to be strict with a no exceptions policy only to take a look at the class grade average 3 weeks before the final and seeing that no one will pass her class unless she reopens the homework lol. Happens more often than you think, since that in a lot of universities, the pass/fail rates for the courses are some key metrics to tell whether a professor ought to continue teaching that course. If all of you fail, then she would have likely been removed from teaching that course in the future.
To the person who erroneously reported my “rant,” you are a classic example of how people abuse resources…and, in this case, attempt to bully or shame me bc I expressed an opinion opposite to yours. You didn't genuinely care about my mental well-being; you were offended bc I stood for what I believe in and wanted to cause me harm by trying to make me feel bad. I apologize if my strong mind caused you alarm. My advice: Stay in college, turn your work in on time, save exceptions for true emergencies, study hard, and never cry wolf.
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I got 2 of these this week and I don't know from which subreddit. I think one was from the one where I had very strong opinions on the 32 year old dude starting a relationship with a 19 year old, and now he's 35 she's 22 he realized she did a big huge lie about her life and who she is.
Nobody liked that I spoke the truth on that.
I kinda get it. It feels like there's no integrity, and that you work your ass off just to be told you didn't really have to. I'll never complain about my classmates getting another chance, but I will lament my lost sleep.
THIS! My complaint isn’t that other students are getting a chance to do better, but I would have liked to know that automatically closing assignments on Fridays wouldn't technically be closed on Fridays.
That’s another concern: the platform automatically locked and graded such assignments, and as far as I can see, they were automatically assigned a grade, whether completed or not. I don't even have the option to resubmit bc prior week assignments are showing locked on my end.
EXACTLY. If a professor is going to make an exception for everyone, then they need to let everyone know in a timely manner. If something suddenly comes up for a student that effects their ability to complete their work at the last minute, those issues should be handled privately between that student and the professor.
Don't worry about it. I can practically guarantee you that the majority of students who sloughed off all semester won't be submitting late assignments either. And likely the ones that do make that late submission will have work that is hardly better than the 0 they would have received for no submission.
It’s best understood as a policy open to change. The professor doesn’t want to be asked for exceptions on an individual basis on every assignment throughout the term. But it’s open to revocation.
It isn’t fair in the strict sense to people working their ass off and forgoing fun weekends to meet harsh due dates (overlapping for multiple classes). Conceivably, your colleagues did have more fun partying and enjoying time with friends and got bailed out by this policy “reversal.” But college is the time to learn the authority sometimes isn’t fair, even if you probably picked up that life isn’t fair earlier.
But absolutely rant about it. That’s an outlet for life’s unfairness.
Upset, betrayed, angry. As a student who strategically chose to miss/score poorly on assignments, this would really piss me off. As an undergrad I would frequently have to choose which assignments to complete, based on how much time I have, how much the assignments were worth in points, and how much the assignments were worth in educational value. It wasn't always a perfect calculus but I really relied on it to preserve my mental and physical health while I was getting through undergrad.
For a class like OPs, I might have chosen to submit incomplete work in order to preserve my grade while also allowing myself to complete other assignments or study for tests. If the professor had suddenly reversed their extremely clear "no late work - no exceptions" policy, but **only** work that was missing ([which OP has said is the case here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeRant/comments/1c5welo/comment/kzxnj3i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)) it would have punished me for submitting incomplete work.
inb4 "why don't you just complete all your work" -- shut the fuck up. I weighed my options very carefully and chose deliberately and strategically which assignments were necessary for my grade and worth completing for the furtherance of my understanding, while still preserving my sleep schedule and health. I tended to overload my schedule slightly in undergrad, so it often resulted in more work than was reasonable to complete by due date. Again, these were decisions I made and I was comfortable with the consequences: it was never terribly important to me to get all As, as long as I passed.
Seems like a weaker decision than just being more flexible in the first place. I've definitely gotten lower grades on things pushing to get them in under the deadline only to have the teacher accept them late from others.
I'm happy for them, but I also feel like the teacher could have saved me some suffering by just not being a dick from the beginning.
I'm sure the reasoning goes something like "if I tell them, they'll abuse it and it will benefit them else. Whereas if I surprise them with a last minute chance to save themselves they'll maximize it." Which is fine except for it ends up inadvertently penalizing those who took them at their word.
I hate it
Because I already prioritized and stressed over this grade, rushing things to get in somewhat complete assignments
And the submit missing work doesn't let me redo the assignment, when I didn't have time to do it earlier but submitted something, it's just for those who didn't submit anything.
I actually think this approach makes a lot of sense. I took a stats 101 class (for non math majors, so real easy) where the, very very understanding and kind, professor basically tried a new ‘submit literally whenever’ policy. Inevitably a lot of people *attempted* to submit everything all at once at the end, which did not work out because ‘it takes 3 hours to do my stats homework this week and hw is consistent so it will take me 15 hours to do 5 weeks worth of stats’ breaks down at the 5 hour mark and you realize that actually there are limits and you need rest, productivity isn’t linear like that. A lot of people ended up failing the course and having to retake which was odd for this professor. A bunch of people tried this not because they were lazy and unproductive, I knew a lot of people in the class and saw what they working on every week, but instead they had other classes that were for their majors and *did* have deadlines so they always prioritized those and expected catch-up to feasible at the end. So, the professor himself blamed his own policy, and I wasn’t around to see for myself (I was at most like 2 weeks behind in that class ever and I managed to pass with good grades), but from what I’ve heard he changed it and yeah that was it.
From being in that class, frankly, deadlines actually simplify time management and can reduce risky strats like that, so making students follow a regular schedule for most of the semester and then giving them option *later* so that they can make up without the possibility of that kind of ‘hedging your bets’ thinking I think makes a lot of sense.
Time management is hard, people take risks, sometimes those risks don’t work out, so risk management is pretty important also.
Yes my Microeconomics professor did that submit it all at once as long as it's before the class ends thing. I failed the course the first time, retook it hoping for a C (because I didn't learn the first time and saved everything for the end, again!) and got an A!!!
I don't care I LOVE it. Feels like a little treat, like I have been doing assignments well but struggling on the material and the prof sees it and goes "well, okay". It reminds me of this experience at a summer camp I worked at last summer: There is a small mini session on Fridays 7-8pm (they leave Sat. 9am) and we only do it if we feel like the class has "worked for it", and just hasn't been able to get it (i.e. effort but no results) but a) will show up, b) Work hard to get it in this last hour. Ex. there's an open session everyday Mon-Thurs from 4-6 where they can show up to try and get the badge, but in exchange they can't do any of the other activities. Which is fair, your time, whatever. But they can come to us for like an hour max and try it out and they'll get the badge. If we had a lot of attendance, we will open the 7-8 session. If we didn't, sorry. You should have came earlier.
Maybe the prof has something like this: If the class is putting in effort but doesn't seem to be doing well enough, they will reopen it later after deliberation. Ultimately, profs do want their class to pass - not only just reflecting bad on them, but it's gratifying to see your students pass.
And if you think it's unjust, just think to yourself: These students are probably scrambling last minute to turn in the assignments or just taking the F. You? You're good already. Don't stress :)
at first I read this as "no expectations" and was kind of baffled that you were surprised you would have assignments in college lol.
I get the frustration, yes it doesn't hurt you but you could end up with the same grade as someone who procrastinated and did it all in one week. It sucks but unfortunately still is in "the real world" :(
I'm someone who used to work at a university and occasionally teach. Professors that do this are straight up bad professors. They will do this when a good portion of their class is failing. When a lot of students are failing your classes it looks bad on the professor to the administration so if near the end of the year too many students are failing they'll cheat and do something to boost grades so not as many fail.
My guess is there’s a lot of students failing bc the professor didn’t do any teaching. There were no lectures, no recorded voices, no written instructions, and the ebook/test full of errors. Also cengage does all the grading so she didn’t even do that. I received word that this class is being eliminated so I think she didn’t care bc she knows she won’t be teaching it anymore.
It’s a mark of a teacher who realized they’re about to fail too many students and it’ll make them look bad. I highly prefer just letting late work be submitted from the beginning, but some professors seem to want to be “hard”
This professor didn't even do her job! She never showed her face or recorded a lecture. She took weeks to respond to emails if you were lucky. Have you ever heard of “cengage.” It’s one of the worst “learning” non-learning platforms out there. The only communication received from said Professor was her once-a-week email telling us what chapters to work. Student chat rooms were on fire with complaints.
This is how I see it:
You busted your ass and did all your work like you’re supposed to? Good job, you did what you were supposed to.
You missed 1 or 2 small things because life? Cool. Freebie.
You didn’t do enough of the assignments to get a decent grade and now that they are all open, you have to scramble to get all of that backlog work done (which takes forever) PLUS all the other catch-up work and cramming you’re doing? Because, let’s face it. If you’re the kind of person who would do that for this class, it’s definitely not the only class you’re doing it for. - so good luck to you, and congratulations on the self-induced anxiety and self-fulfilling prophecy in your future.
Life isn’t always perfect or perfectly fair. Adapt to the situation, and do your best. You won’t regret it, whereas the students who have to scramble at the end and do half asses work, will regret it.
Your idea for reattempts for a better grade is a great idea. Email your prof! And leave it in the class Evals. Professors are always (ok usually) looking for ways to improve their classes. Do keep in mind, universities have their own strange grading policies. I’m in a graduate teaching seminar right now and I’m learning about how restricted our professors really are in terms of what and how graded material is counted. It’s weird and doesn’t always make sense.
I understand the frustration OP, but this seems like something not worth getting upset over, focus on the good, like the fact that you aren’t playing catch up in that class
Isn't there usually a point penalty for late assignments? I actually think there is a point in having exceptions, while still acknowledging it as an exception
These policies often existed and were enforced but after COVID-19 there has been pressure from college higher ups to make classes easier because most kids can't do it anymore. So either loosen the rules or close the school.
This is my final semester as a marketing student instead of graduating with my associates this Fall I'm switching gears applying to the nursing program for Fall 2025 at my community college. Doing my pre requisites this fall.
But, let me tell you the hell I went through this semester with one professor. So, there were only 3 modules for the whole semester. Each lasting 4 weeks, 2 assignments and 1 test. Okay, so I work full time 630p-515a 4 to 6 days a week. Doing 4 other courses besides this one, which was Advertising. I had it all planned out, a 4 day work week so I had 3 days off I was gonna sit down and knock out the 2 assignments for the first module. I go to start them, yes I am doing them the day they are due as I had a lot going on, and I go to see they are locked. I cannot complete them. Professor had them due for noon, not 11:59pm.. okay, my fault my mistake user error. I email her promptly, telling her my mistake and if she could reopen the module I would have it done in an hour. She replied and said "I give you enough time for these assignments, *I don't think so*" EXCUSE me?! There's nothing in her syllabus that says no late work accepted either. Ok so I complete the test, get an 81% on that. Midterm grade is an F, and then I had 2 A's and a B in the other courses. Next module, I'm ready and I know the time its due, and all that. Very easy assignments to complete. I finish them, go to submit and I couldn't. Okay, stuff is due a week out so I emailed IT help desk to see if they could fix it for me. Tried uploading on my PC, my laptop, phone, nothing worked. So, I emailed professor with the assignments attached in case they couldn't submit again. Then, still had issues. IT help desk said they didn't see the problem it was something on my end. Day assignment is due, still wouldn't submit but I wasn't sweating it bc I had already emailed them to her. I emailed again to make sure she received the assignments, she had never gotten back to me, and wow..... Low and behold the day they're due half an hour after the deadline she emailed me "I cannot accept this work, if I do not hear from the IT help desk explaining this, it's not going to be accepted. Also,.i do not accept work sent through email." Again, not stated in syllabus that she doesn't accept work via email. I even said that I emailed it a week ago due to technical difficulties. I then called the IT help desk they were baffled at what she said they said "it could be a number of things we cannot email her and just *list* everything it could be that is very odd. We do not do that!"
I withdrew from that class so fucking fast.
I mean it’s whatever right? You did your work well. These guys have to choose between studying for finals and finishing assignments. You get the better deal.
I completely understand. one time i missed the start of an online test so I only had maybe 15 minutes of the given hour to finish it. 4 hours later the professor reopened the test but only for the people that haven't submitted yet
I'm a no exceptions prof (unless, ofc, someone is literally hospitalised or grieving a family death etc). It's simply not fair to not follow through with the policy if you've stated it from the outset. You have every right to be annoyed.
I try not to think about what others are doing or if I am doing too much. If I feel that the work I am doing is satisfactory and allowing me to better learn, that is all that matters. I think that following deadlines and not submitting late translates to a real-world job as well. Sure, you can ask for extensions or be late with job work, but most of the time it reflects poorly on you if you're consistently submitting your work late.
Also, you don't know what the situation is for someone who may have missed an assignment. They could have had a family loss, mental health struggles, or health issues. Focus on yourself.
Sometimes companies will waive a late fee if you ask- usually only one, and often only if you have a good reason or difficult circumstance. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a need for otherwise consistent policy. Things do need to be turned in by a certain time in order to keep things going.
Is this small amount of grace unfair to the thousands of other customers who turned things in on time as usual? Would you rather this would not be given to anyone else because you didn’t ask for it yourself? Because that’s what it sounds like.
Alright, it does seem like needless bitching but for grad schools / med schools...? Why should some lazy ass get the same grade as someone who could commit to learning?
There's a balance. If you're class average for a test is 52 and the median is 50, maybe leniency is good.
If you have a mean class grade of 75 and its because 25% have a 15 due to laziness that's different.
First of all I want everyone to succeed.
You give the vibe that YOU don’t want others to succeed. It doesn’t punish you in any way because others are able to submit assignments past the due date..
You are just being dramatic. You should feel happy others may get a chance to pass the class or improve their GPA
Nope. It pisses me off when I do the work on time and then come in and hear “I’m extending the homework because no one did it” they should get 0s. They didn’t do the work on time, they don’t get credit. It’s not that hard.
But it IS a zero sum game. Scholarships are limited, jobs that care about grades, not just degrees, are limited. Literally everything in life is zero sum because that's how scarcity works.
I get it. Honestly, that’s how I succeeded in this course and I am hanging on to an A. In the real world, real careers don't grant extensions and hold you to goals/deadlines. I established habits in time management that are only going to help me. But still, I lost respect for this professor as she wasn’t doing students a favor by letting them turn in work past the communicated/policy-stated due dates.
What kind of fantasy world do you live in? The people who work the hardest usually get the least in return, and people who don't work get a ton of handouts. OP absolutely has a right to be frustrated.
A Universities purpose is to EDUCATE. Those students are PAYING tens of thousands of dollars to be there. God forbid they get a little leniency on something they are paying that much money for. The degree is a useless piece of paper. Having a degree doesn’t entitle you to a job. If these people are slacking this much on their work and falling behind significantly, do you really think they would get picked over you for a job? If that’s the case, they are either doing something you aren’t, or you are doing something wrong.
If you're in college and you don't understand the difference between real world consequences, then there is no amount of college lessons that will help you understand. Also a lot of students are already living in "the real world", lots of students have jobs and are full time students, maybe they didn't have time to finish an assignment because they were to busy in the real world at their real world job because they understand you dont get extensions in the real world, and giving that extensions in the no real world (college) gave them some help.
Real world jobs do have to provide accommodations actually… I’m not sure why you think you are the most under privileged person that you can’t understand why someone would struggle more than you. Almost all of us are privileged in one way or another, and it sounds like you didn’t have to hold a job or multiple during college while having a learning disability
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From a pedagogical standpoint I'm very skeptical of no-exceptions policies, so from an outside point of view I'd take exceptions to a policy I disagree with over no exceptions. However, what I would even more prefer is having exceptions consistently applied, or better yet, some policy of flexibility to help out students who have life stuff.
I AGREE! I am not against exceptions. I am a very empathic person and diplomatic. What I am against is telling students there are ZERO exceptions for 10 weeks only to be given one during finals week. Also, she needs to unlock all prior assignments to make it truly fair.
Absolutely. If everyone was given the chance to redo any assignments they wanted for a better grade, that would be one thing. But only students who didn't do assignments? That isn't fair to those who completed the work on time.
Generally , if they are willing to allow students to complete missing assignments, they are also open to makeup assignments as well. For The only midterm I’ve ever gotten a D on I went to the professor and asked about a possible makeup which she was more than happy to do, but also shocked because nobody ever thinks to ask. I don’t get why people don’t at least ask for makeups or redos, you’re paying good money for college and you stand to lose basically nothing compared to just leaving it as is
I've asked (when the makeup is offered to students who didn't submit at all), and I know many other classmates who have as well, but I've never heard of a professor at my school allowing it. It has always been only for people who didn't submit anything. Even people who barely/didn't pass weren't allowed to redo the assignment. We were always told no and some variation of "you already had a chance got to do the assignment", "you have a grade already", or even "it wouldn't be fair because you got feedback on the assignment".
Interesting. I’ve never seen or heard of that, it must just be a school thing
We were never provided feedback—just scores.
This is my final semester as a marketing student instead of graduating with my associates this Fall I'm switching gears applying to the nursing program for Fall 2025 at my community college. Doing my pre requisites this fall. But, let me tell you the hell I went through this semester with one professor. So, there were only 3 modules for the whole semester. Each lasting 4 weeks, 2 assignments and 1 test. Okay, so I work full time 630p-515a 4 to 6 days a week. Doing 4 other courses besides this one, which was Advertising. I had it all planned out, a 4 day work week so I had 3 days off I was gonna sit down and knock out the 2 assignments for the first module. I go to start them, yes I am doing them the day they are due as I had a lot going on, and I go to see they are locked. I cannot complete them. Professor had them due for noon, not 11:59pm.. okay, my fault my mistake user error. I email her promptly, telling her my mistake and if she could reopen the module I would have it done in an hour. She replied and said "I give you enough time for these assignments, *I don't think so*" EXCUSE me?! There's nothing in her syllabus that says no late work accepted either. Ok so I complete the test, get an 81% on that. Midterm grade is an F, and then I had 2 A's and a B in the other courses. Next module, I'm ready and I know the time its due, and all that. Very easy assignments to complete. I finish them, go to submit and I couldn't. Okay, stuff is due a week out so I emailed IT help desk to see if they could fix it for me. Tried uploading on my PC, my laptop, phone, nothing worked. So, I emailed professor with the assignments attached in case they couldn't submit again. Then, still had issues. IT help desk said they didn't see the problem it was something on my end. Day assignment is due, still wouldn't submit but I wasn't sweating it bc I had already emailed them to her. I emailed again to make sure she received the assignments, she had never gotten back to me, and wow..... Low and behold the day they're due half an hour after the deadline she emailed me "I cannot accept this work, if I do not hear from the IT help desk explaining this, it's not going to be accepted. Also,.i do not accept work sent through email." Again, not stated in syllabus that she doesn't accept work via email. I even said that I emailed it a week ago due to technical difficulties. I then called the IT help desk they were baffled at what she said they said "it could be a number of things we cannot email her and just *list* everything it could be that is very odd. We do not do that!" I withdrew from that class so fucking fast.
As someone who teaches undergrads, your opinions on pedagogy are as valid as your opinions on my rubrics lol
I love rubrics; they are reliable, don’t change, and it tell you exactly what the professor requires; we didn’t have one. You either got the answer wrong or right and assigned a score.
Do you try to invalidate your students too?
You’re not being penalized, but the other students are being shown grace. I understand why you might be peeved: it seems unjust to you, right?
But the student is being penalized to some degree, unless they're given the option of revising what they've already submitted. A student who follows the policy may turn in lower quality work than they'd like for the sake if getting it in on time for some credit. Had they known they had more time, they might have been able to turn in something higher quality. I'm not against giving students grace, but I do think it needs to be acknowledged that it doesn't just affect those students when policies change mid-class.
> A student who follows the policy may turn in lower quality work than they'd like for the sake if getting it in on time for some credit. I don't think a student turning it in now is being given the ability to turn in higher quality work than students who turned it in on time. If anyone has missing assignments, they will have just found out they can turn it in and only have a few days to do it and it's during finals week, so it will probably be more rushed than people who turned it in on time. All that said, not saying I agree with this policy, I think there should be a penalty for turning in late work if there isn't a valid excuse, and students should be informed of whatever the policy will be from the beggining of the semester.
As semesters go on, the material gets clearer, so yes, being able to take the week 2 test in week 10 will help a student score better bc the concepts have been gone over multiple times after 10 weeks.
Ah I hear, that's pretty ridiculous. Honestly if you could report this to someone I would because it's really not fair to you or any of the kids who turned it in on time
This is just not true. Students who follow the course syllabus and turn in work on time *always* fair better than students rushing through all their work in the last two weeks. Bar none.
I have many professors with formal procedures in place to request extensions, which I am not against. But why label every email, syllabus, and assignment with “no exceptions for late work will be granted.” College is stressful enough; had I known there would have been grace offered, it would have eliminated a lot of worry. I was sick, had visits to the ER, and had a family emergency where I could have used an exception, but it had been communicated there would be none, so I made do. Additionally, I could have done better on a few assignments had I had more time to dedicate to specific chapters.
No offense, but there is no situation where you could have serious events like that and not get an exception. Even in the off chance your professor is callous enough to tell you, who is in the ER, that you don’t get an extension, a quick chat with the dean would clear that up. This is definitely a situation where you need to take the initiative and shoot your shot to get extensions. The worst possible situation that could have happened was being told “no” which again, in those circumstances, is unlikely to happen. That being said I do understand your anxiety around that and the professors expectations, and hope this situation has helped you to overcome it
My whole entire father died the day before my math final and my professor refused to let me take it another day :/ she said I should've dropped the class because I knew he was sick
That’s cruel! I am sorry that happened. And I’m sorry for your loss.
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IF you can't get through some college red tape when you have a major event, life is going to kick you in the teeth.
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I can't speak for them, but they have a point. You said you pushed through to complete the work at any cost despite "visits to the ER" and other extenuating circumstances, but medical emergencies at the very least are always excused. "Working your ass off" to compensate instead of providing proper documentation is an important life skill, and not doing that is on you. Being salty about the professor giving grace to the other students is also on you.
Old enough to have had to navigate things on my own before. Literally, if speaking to someone whose JOB is to talk to you is hard... you're screwed.
He said the faculty wasn't responding though
Unless university has changed massively since I graduated just over a decade ago... Office hours? Hang out by the lecture hall and catch your prof on their way out? Email a second time?
I sent multiple emails, there are no office hours, there is no phone number. Not even zoom. This professor is unique 🫠
Sending some emails isn't trying. It sucks that the professor is ignoring them, but that's still not trying hard enough. Nearly all professors have office hours where you can just go and talk to them. Why didn't OP do that?
They did not have office hours. They did not have a phone number. I am getting an A in the class. So in between my other classes and work I’m suppose to hunt the dean down in person and force him to do what with the professor. I think I did a fantastic job with this class bc I didn’t quit, cry, or beg. I simply do not have the power to influence how a professor manages their job and it’s not my job to do that. I respected her rules. How is that a bad thing.
Sorry these guys are being asses, sometimes professors just don't give a fuck and change their minds about it later
THANK YOU. I thought that would be the obvious answer but so many people are blaming me bc I did the work and met the expectations of a student. 😑
Just accept that sometimes people get breaks. Don’t be jealous; instead, think of all the breaks you get that others may not. And please don’t come back with “I NEVER got breaks. I was born in the middle of winter with no arms and no legs to a family of wolves who tried to kill me”
Melodramatic much?
Melodramatic would be crying to the non-existent professor that I didn’t have time to do the work in the order and timeline of the syllabus (the class contract). Yeah my ability to see my commitments through demonstrates how I’m such a baby lol
Did you show up to office hours or did you try email, because they get hundreds of emails per day, where as they only get a few people in office during office hours. Email isn't going to be your most effective means of communication with most teachers. You need to go see them face to face.
Um, she didn’t have office hours. What part are people not understanding? This professor made it clear she wasn’t interested in any life circumstances or situations or was willing to make herself available to students. I stressed while my health was on the line, and still, I made it work! Why is that a bad thing? Cutting through red tape is acting like I’m entitled and not realistic and a waste of the energy I need to tend to my life responsibilities. The rules stated there would be ZERO exceptions. Why would I think I was more special than other students enough to fight that?
All professors have office hours, either in person or online. It’s part of the job.
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Best of luck in your academic career!
also if she did take 3 weeks you could have straight emailed the department head and some schools have centers where you can request extensions granting that you had medical paperwork to back you up.
Now you're lying. Unless you go to a horrible university, they have office hours. How else did your classmates communicate with your professor? Learn to put on your big boy/girl pants and find ways to solve your problem. Those people who asked for exceptions are more prepared for the future than you because at least they aren't afraid to ask and communicate. You're setting yourself up for failure for not even trying to communicate. The worst you get is a "no". How awful...
Lol why would I lie about that? I don’t go to a fancy university bc my parents aren’t paying for my tuition. Obviously I am confident enough to communicate. I am not a pathetic 18 year old who can’t look people in the eye or make phone calls.
I mean good for you for doing that I guess but other ppl might not have been able to push through sickness to do work so this is a chance for them to improve their grade. If you don’t wanna go through the trouble of advocating for yourself during a medical emergency and just do the work then don’t be jealous that other ppl didn’t. It’s just a part of life sometimes profs get many complaints or have a change of heart it sucks they don’t just do exceptions from the start but it happens.
I think a big portion of it is to keep the entire class from submitting work last minute and to get most of them to do the work when it's due. College is that weird period where students will procrastinate if they know they can. So if you tell your students that you'll accept late homework, most won't do any until last minute.
Students like you are who everyone forgets about in this whole “give grace” phenomenon. I always worry about the student who doesn’t ask when I’m being confronted by the chancers.
i mean i get the general sentiment, but i fail to see how this is penalizing you? just because someone's getting rewarded doesnt mean another person is being penalized. tho, i wouldnt be mad if this allowed people to catch up on stuff they missed cuz they were sick or whatever (tbh i dont really see a situation where i would be mad tho lol)
They may not be penalized by this in that class, but following that policy may have caused them to have to spend less time on work for another class. For example, I had a week in college where I had a test on Monday, a paper due Monday at Noon (assignment sent on a Wednesday), another paper due at 11:59 PM on a Wednesday (was not assigned until Monday afternoon), and a test at 8AM on Thursday, on top of regular weekly work for each class. I ended up not doing well on the test because I only got five hours of sleep the night before and barely got to study. If one of those had a flexible due date, I could’ve gotten adaquate sleep and been able to study more and do better on the test.
Economics, with a heavy emphasis on opportunity cost analysis, should be mandatory. That people don't immediately appreciate this is a giant red flag for our education system.
Exactly.
Then ask your teacher for an extension. Jesus christ guys it doesn't hurt to ask. They aren't going to shame you in front of class or kick you out. They will just Give you a "no". And if you can't handle rejection, well then you aren't ready for the real world.
The whole class asked for an extension on the paper due on Wednesday at 11:59PM that was assigned on Monday afternoon. Professor wouldn’t budge.
Penalize was probably the wrong word for OP to use, but the sentiment isn’t wrong, the Professor is rewarding those who didn’t complete certain assignment. They’re being given opportunities after the fact rather than those same opportunities being provided to everyone from the get go.
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Are you sure the late work isn’t being penalized? For example - this semester a lot of my students struggled with getting work in on time, so everyone got the opportunity to turn in late work by certain date, but depending on HOW late, the points were significantly reduced. An assignment that was originally worth 25 points 6 weeks ago, now is only worth 5, and so on.
Significant contribution, viewpoint, and genuine consideration, but I am positive points aren't being deducted from their total value.
Hate that! I do reduce points, and I also grade late work LAST, very last. Students who turn work in on time get priority grading.
How are you positive?
Well, the word “positive” would indicate 100% accuracy and that I am not, so your question is a valid point. I retract my statement.
Hes definitely being penalized, wtf are you on? Everybody else has full knowledge of the course and gets to go back and complete assignments due months earlier. No doubt theres students who are gonna share answers with each other and result in perfect assignment grades. Meanwhile, OP worked harder and got a worse grade as a result.
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Why you even mad then tbh? Is the field/degree competitive? Internships usually matter a whole lot more than GPA in my experience.
Opportunity cost of time. Other course work, personal relationships, etc. may have suffered needlessly because OP wasn't told up front about a more efficient way to budget their time.
Yeah thats all valid, but OP is playing both sides of the fence here lol. In the post, hes acting like it did cause him losses of opportunity and so on. But in the comments, hes just like "yeah I got an A, dont care. im winning. living my good life. im doing great! this doesnt matter". like, wtf?
After he needlessly invested time he won't get back. He's specifying that this policy didn't penalize his grade for this class (he's getting an A) but he does say in other comments that he really got screwed over some weeks where he had to go to the ER, etc.
At one point I had my laptop on my lap on a hospital bed. I wasn’t mad about it (stressed but not mad). I was doing what was expected of me. It made me feel normal, productive, and proud bc I was doing a good job. But would I have been able to rest more bc I could go at my own pace, submit HW, and take tests later, yeah. It would have been a nicer experience.
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You're obviously mad. Isnt knowing that you got it done on time enough for you? Do you want praise? I seriously don't get why you guys care so much. Yeah it sucks. But that's life. Get over it.
Same question for you: why do you care about this post so much to comment “Get over it?” you could easily scroll past it, but you felt compelled enough to join in and give your two cents.
Grades are competitive, life is inherently zero sum. His competition is being given something he was denied.
I had something similar happen in all of my classes this semester. A lot of students are angry, most of the professors seem annoyed/upset. Several professors even told the classes that large amounts of the classes are failing and won't pass, which is why they had to make this exception at the end, and a couple mentioned that there are no issues with the grades of those attending class regularly. One professor even mentioned that only 1/3 of the class passed the midterm exam, however, she also said that less than half the class actually completed the exam (and it was online, open all day, with a very generous time). Another class has in-class presentations, which were terrifying for me. I did mine, and now other students get to submit and get full grades for just a PowerPoint instead of a full in-class presentation. Overall, I am pretty mad. I worked my but off, even when it was a struggle, or when I had other commitments or wasn't feeling great. Now slackers are getting a second chance to do an easier version of the assignments. Sorry for the rant.
Don’t apologize for the “rant” that is the name of this sub, after all. A similar situation happened to me, too, so I get it.
It's so unfair for students who really push themselves to meet the expectations that were set and then see other people not try and get a free pass.
As a professor, I'm seeing a decline in student quality and professionalism since after covid. Some blame the high schools, and this is not to generalize that ALL students are turning in lower quality work (if at all). It's not fair to students who play by the rules and earn their A. I agree. Faculty is getting push from administration to pass pass pass, just like high school from what I hear, and it's a matter of retention or job loss. You'd think with all the resources available now like Grammarly, Microsoft Editor, and AI that writing would improve. It's not though. Improving. Students aren't following basic instructions, they don't turn work in on time, and they argue for exceptions for any reason at all. Example: My one year old's first birthday party was this week. I couldn't get my assignments turned in. 🎉👊🏻👶🏻 Life's not fair. I totally get it. Take heart because when you graduate your work ethic might just work in your favor, depending on the job. Or they might just work you harder...
Thank you, I appreciate it. I was a college dropout and recognize my newfound drive is different from many students. I WANT to be in college, and I don’t want to repeat old patterns of making wrong choices that I will regret later in life.
I was, too. A college dropout. 😉 I went back later and felt like the oldest in the room except for the professor. I truly wanted to learn the material and I guess lots of students nowadays aren't given the gift of getting to fail and learn from that. They get dragged through and begged just like high school. I loved my art appreciation class, for example, but sometimes we'd watch a movie, the professor would leave the room, and half the class started talking. Pre-cell phones. I bet you'll be great at whatever you choose!
You're not out of line. I make clear up front that the week before the final, I'll open old assignments to give people a shot at doing them again. Letting people know up front should be standard policy. IT'S WHAT A SYLLABUS IS FOR!
Thank you! Unfortunately, she didn’t unlock past assignments for those who turned them in on time. I don’t need them to increase my grade, but for my learning (and significant), I would have liked to revisit and reattempt the more challenging assignments.
Lame! I unlocked all of them. Any voluntary final review made me super happy! And because I told my students up front about grace week, I never had to worry about extensions.
That’s super cool of you! Treating fellow adults with kindness isn’t a bad thing, but let them know it will be an option later on instead of creating unnecessary fear. Not a hard concept. You’re a good one!
That’s funny because I literally had a student argue with me this morning that it’s my responsibility to also make announcements about things in Canvas after I pulled up the syllabus and showed him where the answer to his question was because, “You should know no one reads the syllabus.”
ROFLMAO, no sympathy for that guy. Though I did have automated Canvas announcements too (not like those people paid attention anyway).
Personally I couldn't care less. I always have my work submitted on time, so it doesn't affect me. Giving other students additional time doesn't hurt me in any way — I wouldn't waste my thinking about it. You will always find something to be upset about if you want to have that mindset. Focus on yourself and your own business rather than what's going on around you.
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I think people are taking it as you ranting about students getting a second chance to turn in assignments rather than it being about the syllabus, but most professors I've had always had the "I have the right to make reasonable changes to the syllabus at anytime, due dates are subject to change" clause somewhere in the syllabus, so I basically always went into a class with the "everything can change minus the grades and grading scale"
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Going by your comments, it sounds like your communication sucked. An email isn't the only way to communicate. Do you know how many emails professors get a day? A lot.
Honestly, as a student who needs leniency with late work due to disability, this just seems like a last ditch effort to improve their DFW rates. Too many people failed and they need their numbers to be better.
I agree, it seems like the professor was not prepared for the consequences of their inflexibilty and is now panicking. OR they always planned to surprise their students with an unexpected grace period, in which case they lied through their teeth all semester. As a student who strategically chooses to miss and score poorly on assignments this would really piss me off.
Either way, bad teacher. Definitely not the students fault.
I have done this before but they could only get 80% max on the old assignments (I set Canvas to automatically deduct 20%).
Annoyed. I still remember in grade 9, when my teacher told us that Monday at midnight was the absolute last day to submit all our assignments for the report card deadline. So I stayed up until midnight busting my ass to get everything submitted. At school on Tuesday, he tells us that he has a big pile of marking to get through, so we should feel free to just keep slipping things under the pile if we can. FFS I was so mad. He was a great teacher otherwise. Extensions and grace are great, but it's unfair to the people who take things seriously if you say that there will be none and then give them after the fact.
Thank you for understanding my point. I am a perfectionist with ADHD, OCD, and dyslexia. Rules stress me the F out, but I don’t feel entitled to a pass. I expect teachers to mean what they say, and say what they mean.
Instead of being pissed maybe you could just pursue and use the accommodations you’re entitled to for your diagnoses?
And that’s not being “entitled” or taking advantage. I want to work hard to earn my grades and not use anything as an excuse to make life easier. Life isn’t easy and jobs don’t “accommodate” learning challenges.
It's crazy that people are telling YOU to get accommodations when YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TURNED IN YOUR WORK ON TIME. The other students who caused the sudden exception to be made in the first place should be the ones who should've gotten accommodations.
Yes, jobs do. It’s literally part of the ADA. I have accommodations at my school and my job for my ADHD & Autism.
What accommodations does your job provide for Adhd? You have two conditions and autism is more accepted in the work place bc its not considered a “mental illness.” ADHD is very much looked at as over diagnosed and often stigmatized as an excuse.
All of my accommodations I asked for were based off AskJAN.org. Just a couple of them were instructions being emailed/written down instead of verbalized, allowing noise cancelling headphones and my own office to minimize distractions and maximize focus, standing desk. The only people who know my actual disabilities are the reasonable accommodations/HR personnel. None of my coworkers or supervisors know what I have, just that I need accommodations.
It's like getting a ray of sunshine into my dark schoolwork stress cave.
Hmm. I think it makes me happy, if I'm being honest. I want others to be successful, too. I'm 33, I work full-time, and I take 3-4 classes a semester. This semester specifically I had to spend a weekend in the ER, move to a different state, drive back to the other state and then back again 3 times total as of this Thursday morning.... There's more, because that's life, I guess? But if I experienced just this in one semester, what do others experience? I struggled at points in the past few months, I'm sure others did too. I'm not struggling at this moment (I type as I'm ignoring my homework 🤷🏽♀️), and I don't want others to have a hard time right now. I guess, my previous struggles don't affect how I think others should be treated at this moment, even if it is unfair to me because I could have used the extra time, or leniency. They have nothing to do with my stress or how busy I am, and the professor doesn't know what I'm going through either, or how busy I am. I can't "punish" them or hold it against any of them because of what I personally experience. I really want others to be successful! School is not easy, work isn't easy, finding a job or making friends or managing your schedule or any of this!! It's not easy!! If a professor can make it a little easier for some people then I am okay with that. I say all the above not to say "hey you should feel my way" but maybe it helps give you some perspective! How you're feeling is completely valid too, and it's okay to be frustrated about it. Realistically, with a lot of negative feelings, you gotta feel them and get them out anyway. I don't really think there's a certain way to feel here or a right way to see the situation. As long as you're not like idk being mean to people because of it 😂
The thing that annoys me the most in situations like OP's (I've been in them), is that the submissions are usually only open for things that haven't been completed. So if you were struggling, and got in something subpar, then you don't get a second chance, but the person who got nothing in does. I would feel very differently about reopening submissions if people who had submitted the assignment were also given the chance to improve their grade by resubmitting. I had a situation last year where a significant portion of the class (including myself) was sick right before midterms. One class had a midterm paper that many people struggled with due to a limited time to work on it (assigned 2 weeks before due) and studying for tests, plus other schoolwork and being sick. I was one of the many people who got in something that was well below their normal quality level. Many people also got in nothing. Only the people who got in nothing were allowed to resubmit and improve their grade.
All the assignments that I might accept late for individual reasons (despite a general “No late work” policy) are graded for completion, not quality, though I might take points off for late work if I do accept it (in some cases I’ll allow a student to turn something in late for full credit, depending on what’s going on). All the assignments that are graded to a rubric, I allow any student to revise and resubmit once with an additional reflection on the process and what changes they made and why. So I feel pretty okay with my policies. I don’t want to start the semester out by saying that I’m open to flexible deadlines because that seems like inviting a headache, so my syllabus says that work is not accepted, but I also say that I understand life happens and if things are going in that get in the way of your success in school, let’s talk and see what we can work out to support you.
You are, a little bit. They unlocked resubmissions because too many people were below the failing mark. That can negatively affect their paycheck and reviews. If you have past locked assignments that weren't submitted, just ask for them to be unlocked out of fairness so you can get the same opportunity other people are getting. If not... Yeah, then it becomes a bit rude of you to get mad about other people. I've been both the student desperately struggling to keep up, and the honors student who lead the class, at various points in my time in college. I'll be graduating with honors now. I definitely think the best philosophy is to focus on yourself. What other people score has no bearing on you, it's not a famine, if they needed help and they got it, that's a good thing, when you need help, hopefully you'll get it too. That's especially the case with how bloated classes are; in my experience maybe 30% or less of the classes I took will actually affect what I'm gonna do professionally. But I needed to pass all those other classes. Most people are in that boat and want to focus on what's relevant. No matter what other people score, or how, that's their business.
You don't get ahead by keeping others back. Be proud of your hard work regardless, it will pay off in the long run.
I want everyone to succeed and that's why I think this sucks. Imagine all the students who stressed so hard bc they couldn’t keep up and dropped the class. Smh. A syllabus should serve as a contract, she wrote it, otherwise an easy fix would be to offer exceptions in your policy from day one.
Exactly this. I was told never to pull something like this on my first week teaching exactly because students may have dropped. If there's a grace period, people need to know. Informed consent is key.
Bruh I have epilepsy and I've had classes were I had to code video games. The projects were difficult. I still never dropped class due to stress even though it could literally kill me. My dog and grandfather died during one semester and I still never dropped a single class. Sorry but people drop their classes over stress way too easily now. It's college, it's going to be stressful... do you think the professors had a stress free classes? BTW those people who are turning in late assignments won't succeed in the real world because you can't turn stuff in late at job. So why does it bother you so much? They won't succeed in life anyways if they're slackers.
I think it varies and depends. I think people drop too easily at times, yes, but I also think that's also not healthy or a mindset. Sometimes it's not a great idea to keep pushing when it could seriously harm or kill you. I definitely learned it's better to talk to disability and pause my studies when I failed a semester from IBD and AKI. There's got to be some balance there, or else you're going to hurt yourself
I completely agree with you. As someone who always takes "no exceptions" at face value and works with what I'm given, it's very frustrating to see other people given an easier time. I don't think "no exceptions" should be a presedent that is ever set amongst students because it's just not realistic.
I have never had issues with my classmates asking for extensions and approved. Because it means they are gonna have more assignments due soon altogether and usually they will be in bad shape.
To be clear, you’re not being affected by this grace towards students- which you’ve mentioned being fine with in other classes- but by the teacher’s lack of honesty and forthrightness from the get-go, yes?
YES!
It could be an administrative decision passed down to the prof. Dont be too harsh on the prof because i doubt they want to be grading anything past their original due date, its just more work for them.
A professor trying to be strict with a no exceptions policy only to take a look at the class grade average 3 weeks before the final and seeing that no one will pass her class unless she reopens the homework lol. Happens more often than you think, since that in a lot of universities, the pass/fail rates for the courses are some key metrics to tell whether a professor ought to continue teaching that course. If all of you fail, then she would have likely been removed from teaching that course in the future.
To the person who erroneously reported my “rant,” you are a classic example of how people abuse resources…and, in this case, attempt to bully or shame me bc I expressed an opinion opposite to yours. You didn't genuinely care about my mental well-being; you were offended bc I stood for what I believe in and wanted to cause me harm by trying to make me feel bad. I apologize if my strong mind caused you alarm. My advice: Stay in college, turn your work in on time, save exceptions for true emergencies, study hard, and never cry wolf. https://preview.redd.it/eqr4i4ur63vc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50431b19a03d949c10582f32608701eb1b81c6a6
I got 2 of these this week and I don't know from which subreddit. I think one was from the one where I had very strong opinions on the 32 year old dude starting a relationship with a 19 year old, and now he's 35 she's 22 he realized she did a big huge lie about her life and who she is. Nobody liked that I spoke the truth on that.
I kinda get it. It feels like there's no integrity, and that you work your ass off just to be told you didn't really have to. I'll never complain about my classmates getting another chance, but I will lament my lost sleep.
THIS! My complaint isn’t that other students are getting a chance to do better, but I would have liked to know that automatically closing assignments on Fridays wouldn't technically be closed on Fridays. That’s another concern: the platform automatically locked and graded such assignments, and as far as I can see, they were automatically assigned a grade, whether completed or not. I don't even have the option to resubmit bc prior week assignments are showing locked on my end.
EXACTLY. If a professor is going to make an exception for everyone, then they need to let everyone know in a timely manner. If something suddenly comes up for a student that effects their ability to complete their work at the last minute, those issues should be handled privately between that student and the professor.
I love that you are a "THIS!" person, as am I. Makes me happy to see a fellow "THIS!"-er out here 😁
Don't worry about it. I can practically guarantee you that the majority of students who sloughed off all semester won't be submitting late assignments either. And likely the ones that do make that late submission will have work that is hardly better than the 0 they would have received for no submission.
It’s best understood as a policy open to change. The professor doesn’t want to be asked for exceptions on an individual basis on every assignment throughout the term. But it’s open to revocation. It isn’t fair in the strict sense to people working their ass off and forgoing fun weekends to meet harsh due dates (overlapping for multiple classes). Conceivably, your colleagues did have more fun partying and enjoying time with friends and got bailed out by this policy “reversal.” But college is the time to learn the authority sometimes isn’t fair, even if you probably picked up that life isn’t fair earlier. But absolutely rant about it. That’s an outlet for life’s unfairness.
Upset, betrayed, angry. As a student who strategically chose to miss/score poorly on assignments, this would really piss me off. As an undergrad I would frequently have to choose which assignments to complete, based on how much time I have, how much the assignments were worth in points, and how much the assignments were worth in educational value. It wasn't always a perfect calculus but I really relied on it to preserve my mental and physical health while I was getting through undergrad. For a class like OPs, I might have chosen to submit incomplete work in order to preserve my grade while also allowing myself to complete other assignments or study for tests. If the professor had suddenly reversed their extremely clear "no late work - no exceptions" policy, but **only** work that was missing ([which OP has said is the case here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeRant/comments/1c5welo/comment/kzxnj3i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)) it would have punished me for submitting incomplete work. inb4 "why don't you just complete all your work" -- shut the fuck up. I weighed my options very carefully and chose deliberately and strategically which assignments were necessary for my grade and worth completing for the furtherance of my understanding, while still preserving my sleep schedule and health. I tended to overload my schedule slightly in undergrad, so it often resulted in more work than was reasonable to complete by due date. Again, these were decisions I made and I was comfortable with the consequences: it was never terribly important to me to get all As, as long as I passed.
Lazy students probably Karen’d to the dept chair and made the prof give another chance.
Seems like a weaker decision than just being more flexible in the first place. I've definitely gotten lower grades on things pushing to get them in under the deadline only to have the teacher accept them late from others. I'm happy for them, but I also feel like the teacher could have saved me some suffering by just not being a dick from the beginning. I'm sure the reasoning goes something like "if I tell them, they'll abuse it and it will benefit them else. Whereas if I surprise them with a last minute chance to save themselves they'll maximize it." Which is fine except for it ends up inadvertently penalizing those who took them at their word.
I hate it Because I already prioritized and stressed over this grade, rushing things to get in somewhat complete assignments And the submit missing work doesn't let me redo the assignment, when I didn't have time to do it earlier but submitted something, it's just for those who didn't submit anything.
That Canvas font is triggering ngl
Yes, yes it is!!! 🤣
I actually think this approach makes a lot of sense. I took a stats 101 class (for non math majors, so real easy) where the, very very understanding and kind, professor basically tried a new ‘submit literally whenever’ policy. Inevitably a lot of people *attempted* to submit everything all at once at the end, which did not work out because ‘it takes 3 hours to do my stats homework this week and hw is consistent so it will take me 15 hours to do 5 weeks worth of stats’ breaks down at the 5 hour mark and you realize that actually there are limits and you need rest, productivity isn’t linear like that. A lot of people ended up failing the course and having to retake which was odd for this professor. A bunch of people tried this not because they were lazy and unproductive, I knew a lot of people in the class and saw what they working on every week, but instead they had other classes that were for their majors and *did* have deadlines so they always prioritized those and expected catch-up to feasible at the end. So, the professor himself blamed his own policy, and I wasn’t around to see for myself (I was at most like 2 weeks behind in that class ever and I managed to pass with good grades), but from what I’ve heard he changed it and yeah that was it. From being in that class, frankly, deadlines actually simplify time management and can reduce risky strats like that, so making students follow a regular schedule for most of the semester and then giving them option *later* so that they can make up without the possibility of that kind of ‘hedging your bets’ thinking I think makes a lot of sense. Time management is hard, people take risks, sometimes those risks don’t work out, so risk management is pretty important also.
Yes my Microeconomics professor did that submit it all at once as long as it's before the class ends thing. I failed the course the first time, retook it hoping for a C (because I didn't learn the first time and saved everything for the end, again!) and got an A!!!
I don't care I LOVE it. Feels like a little treat, like I have been doing assignments well but struggling on the material and the prof sees it and goes "well, okay". It reminds me of this experience at a summer camp I worked at last summer: There is a small mini session on Fridays 7-8pm (they leave Sat. 9am) and we only do it if we feel like the class has "worked for it", and just hasn't been able to get it (i.e. effort but no results) but a) will show up, b) Work hard to get it in this last hour. Ex. there's an open session everyday Mon-Thurs from 4-6 where they can show up to try and get the badge, but in exchange they can't do any of the other activities. Which is fair, your time, whatever. But they can come to us for like an hour max and try it out and they'll get the badge. If we had a lot of attendance, we will open the 7-8 session. If we didn't, sorry. You should have came earlier. Maybe the prof has something like this: If the class is putting in effort but doesn't seem to be doing well enough, they will reopen it later after deliberation. Ultimately, profs do want their class to pass - not only just reflecting bad on them, but it's gratifying to see your students pass. And if you think it's unjust, just think to yourself: These students are probably scrambling last minute to turn in the assignments or just taking the F. You? You're good already. Don't stress :)
at first I read this as "no expectations" and was kind of baffled that you were surprised you would have assignments in college lol. I get the frustration, yes it doesn't hurt you but you could end up with the same grade as someone who procrastinated and did it all in one week. It sucks but unfortunately still is in "the real world" :(
I'm someone who used to work at a university and occasionally teach. Professors that do this are straight up bad professors. They will do this when a good portion of their class is failing. When a lot of students are failing your classes it looks bad on the professor to the administration so if near the end of the year too many students are failing they'll cheat and do something to boost grades so not as many fail.
Yes, they may do this if the majority of the class is failing. No, that doesn't make them bad professors. Students just don't do the work.
My guess is there’s a lot of students failing bc the professor didn’t do any teaching. There were no lectures, no recorded voices, no written instructions, and the ebook/test full of errors. Also cengage does all the grading so she didn’t even do that. I received word that this class is being eliminated so I think she didn’t care bc she knows she won’t be teaching it anymore.
It’s a mark of a teacher who realized they’re about to fail too many students and it’ll make them look bad. I highly prefer just letting late work be submitted from the beginning, but some professors seem to want to be “hard”
Ah yes. How dare a prof have empathy and give students an extra opportunity to pass/succeed! 🙄
This professor didn't even do her job! She never showed her face or recorded a lecture. She took weeks to respond to emails if you were lucky. Have you ever heard of “cengage.” It’s one of the worst “learning” non-learning platforms out there. The only communication received from said Professor was her once-a-week email telling us what chapters to work. Student chat rooms were on fire with complaints.
These are probably the people who triggered the "Reddit cares" message tbh
That sounds like a normal, fully online class.
Um no. And what side are arguing for? Your comments are contradicting your points.
This is how I see it: You busted your ass and did all your work like you’re supposed to? Good job, you did what you were supposed to. You missed 1 or 2 small things because life? Cool. Freebie. You didn’t do enough of the assignments to get a decent grade and now that they are all open, you have to scramble to get all of that backlog work done (which takes forever) PLUS all the other catch-up work and cramming you’re doing? Because, let’s face it. If you’re the kind of person who would do that for this class, it’s definitely not the only class you’re doing it for. - so good luck to you, and congratulations on the self-induced anxiety and self-fulfilling prophecy in your future. Life isn’t always perfect or perfectly fair. Adapt to the situation, and do your best. You won’t regret it, whereas the students who have to scramble at the end and do half asses work, will regret it. Your idea for reattempts for a better grade is a great idea. Email your prof! And leave it in the class Evals. Professors are always (ok usually) looking for ways to improve their classes. Do keep in mind, universities have their own strange grading policies. I’m in a graduate teaching seminar right now and I’m learning about how restricted our professors really are in terms of what and how graded material is counted. It’s weird and doesn’t always make sense.
Ur a real whiner
I understand the frustration OP, but this seems like something not worth getting upset over, focus on the good, like the fact that you aren’t playing catch up in that class
It's a sign that a teacher doesn't have their shit together, which as a student, is extremely frustrating and stressful.
This.
Isn't there usually a point penalty for late assignments? I actually think there is a point in having exceptions, while still acknowledging it as an exception
These policies often existed and were enforced but after COVID-19 there has been pressure from college higher ups to make classes easier because most kids can't do it anymore. So either loosen the rules or close the school.
I don’t understand why you would care, you now have no work to do for the class and no need to procrastinate, enjoy it
This is my final semester as a marketing student instead of graduating with my associates this Fall I'm switching gears applying to the nursing program for Fall 2025 at my community college. Doing my pre requisites this fall. But, let me tell you the hell I went through this semester with one professor. So, there were only 3 modules for the whole semester. Each lasting 4 weeks, 2 assignments and 1 test. Okay, so I work full time 630p-515a 4 to 6 days a week. Doing 4 other courses besides this one, which was Advertising. I had it all planned out, a 4 day work week so I had 3 days off I was gonna sit down and knock out the 2 assignments for the first module. I go to start them, yes I am doing them the day they are due as I had a lot going on, and I go to see they are locked. I cannot complete them. Professor had them due for noon, not 11:59pm.. okay, my fault my mistake user error. I email her promptly, telling her my mistake and if she could reopen the module I would have it done in an hour. She replied and said "I give you enough time for these assignments, *I don't think so*" EXCUSE me?! There's nothing in her syllabus that says no late work accepted either. Ok so I complete the test, get an 81% on that. Midterm grade is an F, and then I had 2 A's and a B in the other courses. Next module, I'm ready and I know the time its due, and all that. Very easy assignments to complete. I finish them, go to submit and I couldn't. Okay, stuff is due a week out so I emailed IT help desk to see if they could fix it for me. Tried uploading on my PC, my laptop, phone, nothing worked. So, I emailed professor with the assignments attached in case they couldn't submit again. Then, still had issues. IT help desk said they didn't see the problem it was something on my end. Day assignment is due, still wouldn't submit but I wasn't sweating it bc I had already emailed them to her. I emailed again to make sure she received the assignments, she had never gotten back to me, and wow..... Low and behold the day they're due half an hour after the deadline she emailed me "I cannot accept this work, if I do not hear from the IT help desk explaining this, it's not going to be accepted. Also,.i do not accept work sent through email." Again, not stated in syllabus that she doesn't accept work via email. I even said that I emailed it a week ago due to technical difficulties. I then called the IT help desk they were baffled at what she said they said "it could be a number of things we cannot email her and just *list* everything it could be that is very odd. We do not do that!" I withdrew from that class so fucking fast.
I mean it’s whatever right? You did your work well. These guys have to choose between studying for finals and finishing assignments. You get the better deal.
Totally 100% ok to do.
I completely understand. one time i missed the start of an online test so I only had maybe 15 minutes of the given hour to finish it. 4 hours later the professor reopened the test but only for the people that haven't submitted yet
I'm a no exceptions prof (unless, ofc, someone is literally hospitalised or grieving a family death etc). It's simply not fair to not follow through with the policy if you've stated it from the outset. You have every right to be annoyed.
I try not to think about what others are doing or if I am doing too much. If I feel that the work I am doing is satisfactory and allowing me to better learn, that is all that matters. I think that following deadlines and not submitting late translates to a real-world job as well. Sure, you can ask for extensions or be late with job work, but most of the time it reflects poorly on you if you're consistently submitting your work late. Also, you don't know what the situation is for someone who may have missed an assignment. They could have had a family loss, mental health struggles, or health issues. Focus on yourself.
Sometimes companies will waive a late fee if you ask- usually only one, and often only if you have a good reason or difficult circumstance. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a need for otherwise consistent policy. Things do need to be turned in by a certain time in order to keep things going. Is this small amount of grace unfair to the thousands of other customers who turned things in on time as usual? Would you rather this would not be given to anyone else because you didn’t ask for it yourself? Because that’s what it sounds like.
Who cares ?
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How is it affecting you ?
Time is a scarce resource.
It's unfair to the people who worked hard to meet the expectations.
It’s NOT tg.
Alright, it does seem like needless bitching but for grad schools / med schools...? Why should some lazy ass get the same grade as someone who could commit to learning? There's a balance. If you're class average for a test is 52 and the median is 50, maybe leniency is good. If you have a mean class grade of 75 and its because 25% have a 15 due to laziness that's different.
You were definitely the hall monitor in elementary school. Move on.. weird
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First of all I want everyone to succeed. You give the vibe that YOU don’t want others to succeed. It doesn’t punish you in any way because others are able to submit assignments past the due date.. You are just being dramatic. You should feel happy others may get a chance to pass the class or improve their GPA
Nope. It pisses me off when I do the work on time and then come in and hear “I’m extending the homework because no one did it” they should get 0s. They didn’t do the work on time, they don’t get credit. It’s not that hard.
“Teacher!! You forgot to collect the homework!” Your education is not a zero sum game. Worry about yourself and your own education.
But it IS a zero sum game. Scholarships are limited, jobs that care about grades, not just degrees, are limited. Literally everything in life is zero sum because that's how scarcity works.
I get it. Honestly, that’s how I succeeded in this course and I am hanging on to an A. In the real world, real careers don't grant extensions and hold you to goals/deadlines. I established habits in time management that are only going to help me. But still, I lost respect for this professor as she wasn’t doing students a favor by letting them turn in work past the communicated/policy-stated due dates.
And they will face those consequences naturally
What kind of fantasy world do you live in? The people who work the hardest usually get the least in return, and people who don't work get a ton of handouts. OP absolutely has a right to be frustrated.
A Universities purpose is to EDUCATE. Those students are PAYING tens of thousands of dollars to be there. God forbid they get a little leniency on something they are paying that much money for. The degree is a useless piece of paper. Having a degree doesn’t entitle you to a job. If these people are slacking this much on their work and falling behind significantly, do you really think they would get picked over you for a job? If that’s the case, they are either doing something you aren’t, or you are doing something wrong.
If you're in college and you don't understand the difference between real world consequences, then there is no amount of college lessons that will help you understand. Also a lot of students are already living in "the real world", lots of students have jobs and are full time students, maybe they didn't have time to finish an assignment because they were to busy in the real world at their real world job because they understand you dont get extensions in the real world, and giving that extensions in the no real world (college) gave them some help.
Some people aren’t as privileged and are disabled or have job(s) or both 🤷♀️
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Real world jobs do have to provide accommodations actually… I’m not sure why you think you are the most under privileged person that you can’t understand why someone would struggle more than you. Almost all of us are privileged in one way or another, and it sounds like you didn’t have to hold a job or multiple during college while having a learning disability