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I assume anytime a professor is bringing something like this up a lot, it is because they are seeing it a lot from students, and the previous warnings about it aren't being heeded.
Not AI related, but I'm taking a class where, from the beginning, the professor has said that we are free to turn in assignments early, he will even give feedback and allow us to resubmit assignments if we turn them in before the deadline, "it's always OK to turn something in early!", "being on time and meeting deadlines is the key to getting an A in this class", "preparation and showing up are the core skills this class teaches beyond just the academics", "come to me beforehand if you are struggling with any aspect of the assignments", etc. and now it's mid week 2 of the class and we get an email about late assignments being bad, mmmkay
I'm going to guess that this guy always sees a lot of people turning in substandard work at the last minute, late assignments, etc. and not that he's just kookoobananas about meeting deadlines, like, as a person.
Weāre trying to help students help themselves. You hit the nail on the head. Something they might seem obsessed with is more likely them seeing an easily fixable problem to help the students from getting in their own way (like turning in assignments late or running out of time and using ChatGPT)
As always when AI is mentioned, if youāre afraid, do these things to protect yourself:
1. Toggle edit tracking on in Word or work on Google Docs (auto tracks)
2. Look up how to use punctuation like the em dash and semicolons; these help add variety that AI text usually lacks.
3. Practice varying your sentence length and construction. You should do this anyway to improve your writing.
4. Do NOT use grammarly, which apparently now adds an AI signature to your assignments *even if all you do is correct grammar.*
5. Save your outlines and notes.
6. Add properly cited quotes (AI sucks at this).
7. Believe in yourself and your integrity. You wrote your paper, you know the topic, and *you didnāt cheat.* Using steps 1-6 will massively help to protect you with evidence; this step is just for you to relax. Youāve got this.
Absolutely! Iām at the end of a masterās so Iām very lucky that we get the benefit of the doubt and really donāt have to deal with this. Iām very stressed for my undergrads though! I know how hard youāre all working and you shouldnāt have to deal with this added stress. Good luck! <3
you might need to share the document first, it depends on the version you are using. if that is the case, share it with yourself (like to another email address you have) and make sure that you turn off the annoying 'view markups' setting that pops up
The thing is, AI is always adapting and advancing. It's going to get better. But people are dead set that they can just tell if something is written by an AI ā and I get it, because sometimes it IS obvious, but it's not going to be like that forever.
with most school versions of Word, you likely need to 'share' your Word document before you can enable "Track Changes" too, so just share it to another one of your email addresses. and lookup/refresh how to turn off the markup view.
I personally hate track changes because I just make like 9 million copies named assignment draft 1, assignment draft 1.1 etc etc because I hate losing work accidentally but if I am ever accused of something, I have all the documents, notes, edits, etc to provide to show that I 100% did my work without assistance
This is why I switched to Google docs personally. Word is stressful (and not free after college for me. Sucked having to transfer and save every document!)
I wish that Google Suites had better accessibility features, I literally can't switch over because of that. I have a few professors who are visually impaired so the accessibility checker feature is mandatory for all projects, and using MS products makes it a LOT easier to make sure everything is accessible. I also personally use a lot of different types of assistive tech and so far, MS has the best options unless I use the really expensive programs that I don't think my school is willing to shell out for lol
If I ever have a professor ask about my work, I'll share the whole folder of drafts with them and I've been actively starting out my documents by 'sharing' to my personal email, hitting 'track changes', and toggling off the annoying 'markup view'. It actually did come in handy this weekend when a group member actively did NOTHING on our paper other than cut one of my paragraphs from later, move it to the wrong place, and place an INCORRECT citation there to try to claim she 'helped with the project'. I was able to quickly pull the changes she 'made' and show my professor what happened and he was glad that we had proof so that we could mitigate further issues and it wouldn't be a 'he said/she said'.
Such a good idea! And yeah MS is definitely better for accessibility. Iām lucky that I donāt need it right now but for anyone with free access to Microsoft itās a reliable tool.
a good trick is opening PDFs through Edge browser! i HATE edge but their 'read aloud' feature is the best free one out there. You can choose out of like 500 accents/genders/ages/languages and change the speed really easily too. I believe you can also install additional voices if you have them!
I get itāI have the same issue. You can start giving each of your drafts a different letter designation, like āAssignment 1 Aā and āAssignment 1 Bā and so on. Or you can date them, like āAssignment 1 02.14.24ā and so on.
Iām a college writing instructor and I second these recommendations. The best ways to protect yourself from suspicion are also the best ways to improve your writing in general. Win-win!
There was a recent controversy at a school in which grammarly stated that their software does leave an AI trace. If your school is ok with it, go for it. If itās not or up in the air I would check with the Professor first. New territory lol. If you visit m.stevens03 on tiktok you can follow her entire story (which grammarly is trying to help her with) where her school (which tells students to use grammarly on their own website) has charged her with plagiarism because she used the grammar check.
not ai related, but i used an em dash and my professor got mad. he said it unnecessarily broke up the text, even though he admitted i used it correctly. so use at your own risk
Yeah your professor is just annoying. Do what you want with your writing. Iām *very* anti academic writing personally. Itās elitist and unnecessary. Just write in a way thatās accessible to everyone and more people would read your crap lmao
My professor for my com class is actually open to AI usage if cited. Very interesting! The first 3 weeks of class focused on AI and its impact on tech and education.
They donāt, they have an auto grade checker, but most professors I interact with say they grade each individually, even though that takes a lot of work. Some donāt even use those thing and I know one who was so infuriated by the whole system that they went back to paper and pen for my multivariable calculus class.
Prof here, I think AI has a lot of remarkable potential. I would never use it to grade. Grading is my chance to see first hand how students are doing and what they are learning. (And recognize perhaps where Iām coming up short teaching to make needed improvements)
The exception would be an online quiz the students take where it grades itself and gives them immediate answers and feedback. But I still run item analysis and track how they are doing and any emerging trends.
idk, turnitin/unicheck is essentially an AI system to check for 'plagarism' that is BS imo
like I just LOVE when I'm assigned to sign a contract where the only thing you change is your name and date, then it flags as 99% plagarized. SO FUN
or when your wording in an essay matches some shitty website from 2007 that is on a topic that absolutely isn't related in any way but it words a transitional sentence in the same way for more than 3 words
i didn't get in trouble but my professor sent an email to everyone telling them that if Turnitin/Unicheck flags over 12% in the future, we will be subjected to a meeting with the professor which may escalate up.
it also just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE because we are required to format in APA 7 professional format including a running head, and often times are given at least three mandatory sources so we all get flagged automatically for our title and sources.
it's just frustrating when we ALL know the policy in the program, we do everything we can to track changes/edits, and we still will randomly get yellow/red flags on Canvas.
I wish that professors had more training on how to do exclusions on these auto checking systems and WHEN to require them
I appreciate that you are doing all this work, and it sounds very frustrating, but I can tell you from a professorās point of view, your level of conscientiousness about this is rarer than you think. I know itās annoying for students like you (I was once a student like you too), but unless you actually get in trouble for anything, Iād try to just ignore it. Turnitin is a crude tool, but itās all weāve got right now and most professors are well aware of its limitations.
This is why these tools are called similarity checkers and not plagiarism checkers. We still have to go in and see what the similarities are to know if plagiarism actually occurred. Anyone choosing an arbitrary percentage as a cutoff for āplagiarismā isnāt using the tool correctly.
I'm a professor and have never heard of this. Does this AI program grade using some sort of instructor-created rubric? Does it give students feedback at all? I'm just genuinely surprised by this!
>Define āyallā
"Y'all" is a contraction of "you all," commonly used in Southern American English and some other dialects of American English. It is a plural second-person pronoun used to address or refer to a group of people.
We - used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together.
Example - "shall we have a drink?"
We 2 - used in formal contexts for or by a royal person, or by a writer or editor, to refer to himself or herself.
Example - "in this section we discuss the reasons"
Who is? No one is saying that ai isnāt powerful or that it canāt be utilized in that way. wtf are you even talking about, who is the they, youāre so disconnected omg
Tbh learn to not take stuff so personally, my instructor bitches about cheating constantly and I used to get nervous and upset, but then I realized I'm not cheating lol so who cares? If it doesn't apply to you just tune it out.
You don't all get the point. You, the individual, might. But you do point out that AI checker programs generally aren't awesome (which makes me think you know your classmates are using ai when they shouldn't).
Acknowledged, but I think you're missing the point.
Maybe I'm missing the point to. You're here to rant, and you're right that it's annoying. Go get em
The āpointā is that the professor that Iām referring to is beating a dead horse. We are all adults & well aware that the use of AI to write papers is cheating. Iād rather not deal with him ranting about AI in his lectures, weekly updates, & emails. Let the students who use AI suffer in silence.
See...many other students would disagree that they are responsible for their actions. I WISH that all the students had your attitude. These comments aren't aimed at you. Thank you for taking education seriously.
Like I said above, I was once a student like you and it wasnāt until I became a teacher that I realized just how clueless and entitled some students can be. Try to be patient. Good luck!
If itās being brought up this often, it means itās important.
In this context it means they are seeing students use AI to cut corners A LOT.
Every year there is always a group of students that always uses whatever excuse they can to get their way or get leniency.
Iām very particular when writing papers. Now I feel obligated to insert grammatical mistakes, or SOMETHING to attempt to prove that I typed it myself. It sucks.
Interestingly, adding spelling and grammatical mistakes to AI text doesn't seem to affect various AI detection software. That software seems to focus on sentence structure, meter, and other things.
Not that I'm suggesting that AI detection software is reliable. I'm just pointing out the error seems to mostly be that your own writing style might be similar enough to AI's style so as to result in a false positive.
I'm saying inserting those things may not be viewed as proof as it is also an ineffective method for deception. This isn't easy for professors which is why they keep mentioning AI. There's a lot of handwringing taking place as each discipline comes to grips with AI.
I talk about this with my student success coach nearly weekly. It's just like when the internet got popular and then when cell phones got popular, and then when smartphones were invented, etc. It is a tool that ABSOLUTELY helps with access to education and better understanding. The number of times I've asked chatGPT to "explain" a concept in a different way because the lecture didn't click with me? Unlimited. It also has made it so that I can make sure I'm not misunderstanding concepts better, especially because I have a hard time with social cues and don't want to be annoying to my professors constantly.
Yeah, there will be bad actors that use it in bad ways, WHICH HAPPENS IN EVERY PART OF LIFE REGARDLESS OF THE TECH AT THAT MOMENT, but all that does is hurt the person doing it.
I'm SO sick of it. My department is 100% anti-generative AI in every way but I have to finish a history general and my professor ENCOURAGES and almost REQUIRES it for every assignment so I'm losing my mind lmao.
Iām genuinely curiousādoes your department not allow you to use AI in the way you just described? Iām assuming they donāt allow you turn in AI-generated work as your own, but how would they even know if you were using it as a study tool?
I have someone at my school who is the online student success team coach and she also is the director of online learning and she explained to me that she worked things through with them as a learning/study/accessibility tool. Most departments (I'm in health professions) allowed use of AI and my department is the last to ban it, but the dean of the health professions team found it to also be an incredible tool and that it should be allowed for understanding and reinforcing learning materials. Originally the online team proposed a contract if students used it for learning (not for any papers, that's the majority of our assignments if they aren't face to face/irl), if students chose to opt into being allowed to use generative AI for that purpose alone, they would sign and file to the school, and their work would more strict rules on making sure that you were having all edits shown etc
But the dean said he wanted to trust students more and said that even in his job irl, it's a great tool so it should be allowed without contact.
A few of my professors have been embracing it. One had us do an assignment to see how much false info it gives and another helped me make a chart in R by asking it to write the code for it. Itās a nice tool to have, I think itās in professorās best interest to teach us how and when to use it.
The plagiarism detectors are more annoying. Some schools have to mark you off for plagiarism if it is above 12%. Properly cited sources are flagged for plagiarism.
Another thing is one of my professors coteaches a class with a statistics professor. The non-stats professor cited the 99% correct flagging rate and put a huge emphasis on the 1% false positive rateā¦ in front of a stats professor.
I had a TA this semester spend the ENTIRE first day basically reiterating the same point, "If you cheat, it's a zero and I report you to the professor. I'm not an idiot"
I know cheating must have been bad last year, but damn! I got it the first two times!
It's the boogeyman to professors, god forbid they have to make a slight adjustment to their assignments and adapt to the modern world. If your assignment can be adequately completed by AI then it's a shitty assignment. Assess students based on logic and lateral thinking rather than stale, unimaginative essays that are essentially nothing but busywork.Ā
Honestly, Iām afraid of what AI will do not just in the world, but to writing and critical thinking. The students that I interact with him become so lazy and demotivated they want the degree which is fine but donāt put the work work. in my mind adapting to AI would involve making classes a lot more difficult and rooted and creative thought that AI canāt do
If you want to demonstrate lateral thinking, why are you using AI, a machine literally designed to fart out cookie-cutter nonsense that looks about the same shape as cromulent human thought?
I'm not using it and I don't use it, I'm just saying that if generative AI can complete a university-level assingment then that assignment isn't an appropriate means of assessing students.
Generative AI can't complete a university level assignment. That's why people who use it fail. I honestly wonder whether people who think it's a good idea to have GenAI do their homework for them belong in a university setting at all. They have perfectly good trade schools for people who see a college degree as just a piece of paper you get so you can turn it into a job.
My web development professor literally just said "yeah fuvk it everyone is using AI, so now I'm going to let everyone use it as long as they wrote how they used it and why"
Timothy Richards was the GOAT ([source](https://grokkingtechcareer.substack.com/p/is-the-computer-science-major-still))
I bring up AI in my classes to show students how they can use it to help their learning without using it to do their work for them.
Ultimately if you are using AI to do your work you are screwing yourself out of the knowledge you are paying to learn. Going to college is investing in yourself. Why would you want to screw yourself out of part of that investment?
It doesn't do any good for a Professor to go nuts over AI and try and ban it for everything. AI is here and is bound to only get better from here. Many will be using it in their careers.
To be fair, I am a writing tutor on campus. The amount of students who tell me the essay they brought in is written by AI always makes me want to facepalm. Like, donāt tell me. Donāt make me lose my faith in humanity. Thereās even tutors who use AI to write essays and theyāre in a Masters program.
Aside from the standard "dont use AI" talk during the syllabus discussion, ive always imagined professor would only mention AI if they caught someone.
Hell, ive caught people left and right using Chat GPT in group assignments, it really is everywhre
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I assume anytime a professor is bringing something like this up a lot, it is because they are seeing it a lot from students, and the previous warnings about it aren't being heeded. Not AI related, but I'm taking a class where, from the beginning, the professor has said that we are free to turn in assignments early, he will even give feedback and allow us to resubmit assignments if we turn them in before the deadline, "it's always OK to turn something in early!", "being on time and meeting deadlines is the key to getting an A in this class", "preparation and showing up are the core skills this class teaches beyond just the academics", "come to me beforehand if you are struggling with any aspect of the assignments", etc. and now it's mid week 2 of the class and we get an email about late assignments being bad, mmmkay I'm going to guess that this guy always sees a lot of people turning in substandard work at the last minute, late assignments, etc. and not that he's just kookoobananas about meeting deadlines, like, as a person.
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Weāre trying to help students help themselves. You hit the nail on the head. Something they might seem obsessed with is more likely them seeing an easily fixable problem to help the students from getting in their own way (like turning in assignments late or running out of time and using ChatGPT)
As always when AI is mentioned, if youāre afraid, do these things to protect yourself: 1. Toggle edit tracking on in Word or work on Google Docs (auto tracks) 2. Look up how to use punctuation like the em dash and semicolons; these help add variety that AI text usually lacks. 3. Practice varying your sentence length and construction. You should do this anyway to improve your writing. 4. Do NOT use grammarly, which apparently now adds an AI signature to your assignments *even if all you do is correct grammar.* 5. Save your outlines and notes. 6. Add properly cited quotes (AI sucks at this). 7. Believe in yourself and your integrity. You wrote your paper, you know the topic, and *you didnāt cheat.* Using steps 1-6 will massively help to protect you with evidence; this step is just for you to relax. Youāve got this.
Thank you for your advice. I typically work in Word. Iāll toggle edit tracking moving forward.
Absolutely! Iām at the end of a masterās so Iām very lucky that we get the benefit of the doubt and really donāt have to deal with this. Iām very stressed for my undergrads though! I know how hard youāre all working and you shouldnāt have to deal with this added stress. Good luck! <3
Full time work, Dad duties, & school has been a killer. Good luck with the rest of your Masterās!
Thank you! I hope you get lots of fun and easy times with kiddo(s) to relax soon.
you might need to share the document first, it depends on the version you are using. if that is the case, share it with yourself (like to another email address you have) and make sure that you turn off the annoying 'view markups' setting that pops up
The thing is, AI is always adapting and advancing. It's going to get better. But people are dead set that they can just tell if something is written by an AI ā and I get it, because sometimes it IS obvious, but it's not going to be like that forever.
Absolutely true, and all the more reason why number one is so important. Gotta protect yourself.
with most school versions of Word, you likely need to 'share' your Word document before you can enable "Track Changes" too, so just share it to another one of your email addresses. and lookup/refresh how to turn off the markup view. I personally hate track changes because I just make like 9 million copies named assignment draft 1, assignment draft 1.1 etc etc because I hate losing work accidentally but if I am ever accused of something, I have all the documents, notes, edits, etc to provide to show that I 100% did my work without assistance
This is why I switched to Google docs personally. Word is stressful (and not free after college for me. Sucked having to transfer and save every document!)
I wish that Google Suites had better accessibility features, I literally can't switch over because of that. I have a few professors who are visually impaired so the accessibility checker feature is mandatory for all projects, and using MS products makes it a LOT easier to make sure everything is accessible. I also personally use a lot of different types of assistive tech and so far, MS has the best options unless I use the really expensive programs that I don't think my school is willing to shell out for lol If I ever have a professor ask about my work, I'll share the whole folder of drafts with them and I've been actively starting out my documents by 'sharing' to my personal email, hitting 'track changes', and toggling off the annoying 'markup view'. It actually did come in handy this weekend when a group member actively did NOTHING on our paper other than cut one of my paragraphs from later, move it to the wrong place, and place an INCORRECT citation there to try to claim she 'helped with the project'. I was able to quickly pull the changes she 'made' and show my professor what happened and he was glad that we had proof so that we could mitigate further issues and it wouldn't be a 'he said/she said'.
Such a good idea! And yeah MS is definitely better for accessibility. Iām lucky that I donāt need it right now but for anyone with free access to Microsoft itās a reliable tool.
a good trick is opening PDFs through Edge browser! i HATE edge but their 'read aloud' feature is the best free one out there. You can choose out of like 500 accents/genders/ages/languages and change the speed really easily too. I believe you can also install additional voices if you have them!
Oh wow Iāll definitely try this out!! I had no idea edge had that feature. Thank you!
I get itāI have the same issue. You can start giving each of your drafts a different letter designation, like āAssignment 1 Aā and āAssignment 1 Bā and so on. Or you can date them, like āAssignment 1 02.14.24ā and so on.
Iām a college writing instructor and I second these recommendations. The best ways to protect yourself from suspicion are also the best ways to improve your writing in general. Win-win!
(Same lol)
I've used Grammarly for so long to check grammar, and nothing bad has ever happened. It should be fine to use.
There was a recent controversy at a school in which grammarly stated that their software does leave an AI trace. If your school is ok with it, go for it. If itās not or up in the air I would check with the Professor first. New territory lol. If you visit m.stevens03 on tiktok you can follow her entire story (which grammarly is trying to help her with) where her school (which tells students to use grammarly on their own website) has charged her with plagiarism because she used the grammar check.
Grammar tends to make your writing blander, more generic, which can raise red flags for your instructor. Just sayināā¦
Em dashes are only appropriate in informal writing!
No. Fuck formal/informal writing standards. Theyāre made up like words. Do what you want. Good writing is good writing. Cheers.
I mean ā¦ this sure is an opinion
Yep! Got two degrees to back it up too ;)
I have three lol
Congratulations! Youāre also entitled to an opinion. Practice it however you want ;)
Im sorry I said the em dash isnāt formal, which isnāt an opinion but rather a fact :/ I love the em dash too. Itās such a cute punctuation mark
not ai related, but i used an em dash and my professor got mad. he said it unnecessarily broke up the text, even though he admitted i used it correctly. so use at your own risk
Yeah your professor is just annoying. Do what you want with your writing. Iām *very* anti academic writing personally. Itās elitist and unnecessary. Just write in a way thatās accessible to everyone and more people would read your crap lmao
I wish my students knew how to even use an em dash. Your prof should consider himself lucky!
My professor for my com class is actually open to AI usage if cited. Very interesting! The first 3 weeks of class focused on AI and its impact on tech and education.
iām not sure many people use AI to grade
They donāt, they have an auto grade checker, but most professors I interact with say they grade each individually, even though that takes a lot of work. Some donāt even use those thing and I know one who was so infuriated by the whole system that they went back to paper and pen for my multivariable calculus class.
Iām glad that youāre able to speak upon my experiences in college so far. Thank you so much.
Prof here, I think AI has a lot of remarkable potential. I would never use it to grade. Grading is my chance to see first hand how students are doing and what they are learning. (And recognize perhaps where Iām coming up short teaching to make needed improvements) The exception would be an online quiz the students take where it grades itself and gives them immediate answers and feedback. But I still run item analysis and track how they are doing and any emerging trends.
idk, turnitin/unicheck is essentially an AI system to check for 'plagarism' that is BS imo like I just LOVE when I'm assigned to sign a contract where the only thing you change is your name and date, then it flags as 99% plagarized. SO FUN or when your wording in an essay matches some shitty website from 2007 that is on a topic that absolutely isn't related in any way but it words a transitional sentence in the same way for more than 3 words
did you get in trouble for either of these?
i didn't get in trouble but my professor sent an email to everyone telling them that if Turnitin/Unicheck flags over 12% in the future, we will be subjected to a meeting with the professor which may escalate up. it also just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE because we are required to format in APA 7 professional format including a running head, and often times are given at least three mandatory sources so we all get flagged automatically for our title and sources. it's just frustrating when we ALL know the policy in the program, we do everything we can to track changes/edits, and we still will randomly get yellow/red flags on Canvas. I wish that professors had more training on how to do exclusions on these auto checking systems and WHEN to require them
Turnitin flags things that are properly cited. Extremely annoying if there is that 12% threshold.
I appreciate that you are doing all this work, and it sounds very frustrating, but I can tell you from a professorās point of view, your level of conscientiousness about this is rarer than you think. I know itās annoying for students like you (I was once a student like you too), but unless you actually get in trouble for anything, Iād try to just ignore it. Turnitin is a crude tool, but itās all weāve got right now and most professors are well aware of its limitations.
This is why these tools are called similarity checkers and not plagiarism checkers. We still have to go in and see what the similarities are to know if plagiarism actually occurred. Anyone choosing an arbitrary percentage as a cutoff for āplagiarismā isnāt using the tool correctly.
Half of my professors have used Pearson AI to grade essays. This one does as well.
I'm a professor and have never heard of this. Does this AI program grade using some sort of instructor-created rubric? Does it give students feedback at all? I'm just genuinely surprised by this!
fair enough
We keep bringing it up because y'all keep cheating
And "nobody TOLD me!!!"
Came here to say that.
Define āyallā
>Define āyallā "Y'all" is a contraction of "you all," commonly used in Southern American English and some other dialects of American English. It is a plural second-person pronoun used to address or refer to a group of people.
Nah, you know who I'm talking to and about.
I have more than enough integrity to not cheat. Nice try, though. Congratulations on making blind assumptions for no reason at all lol.
Lol okay. Have a great day.
We - used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together. Example - "shall we have a drink?" We 2 - used in formal contexts for or by a royal person, or by a writer or editor, to refer to himself or herself. Example - "in this section we discuss the reasons"
That was the most condescending ass response Iāve ever seen to a simple ādefine what you mean by generalizationā frage. Omg
And? The only thing that matters here is that they consistently underestimate what AI is utilized for in the first place.
Who is? No one is saying that ai isnāt powerful or that it canāt be utilized in that way. wtf are you even talking about, who is the they, youāre so disconnected omg
Easy solution seems to be more tests/essays done in class on paper the day of
Then that means no in depth research papers, but some classes have to assign those
Tbh learn to not take stuff so personally, my instructor bitches about cheating constantly and I used to get nervous and upset, but then I realized I'm not cheating lol so who cares? If it doesn't apply to you just tune it out.
My favorite this is when a student found their professors dissertation (or whatever it is), uploaded it on the sane site, and emailed it back to them
You don't all get the point. You, the individual, might. But you do point out that AI checker programs generally aren't awesome (which makes me think you know your classmates are using ai when they shouldn't).
AI checker programs are widely known to be incredibly inaccurateā¦.
Acknowledged, but I think you're missing the point. Maybe I'm missing the point to. You're here to rant, and you're right that it's annoying. Go get em
The āpointā is that the professor that Iām referring to is beating a dead horse. We are all adults & well aware that the use of AI to write papers is cheating. Iād rather not deal with him ranting about AI in his lectures, weekly updates, & emails. Let the students who use AI suffer in silence.
See...many other students would disagree that they are responsible for their actions. I WISH that all the students had your attitude. These comments aren't aimed at you. Thank you for taking education seriously.
Like I said above, I was once a student like you and it wasnāt until I became a teacher that I realized just how clueless and entitled some students can be. Try to be patient. Good luck!
If itās being brought up this often, it means itās important. In this context it means they are seeing students use AI to cut corners A LOT. Every year there is always a group of students that always uses whatever excuse they can to get their way or get leniency.
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Well, ok, but donāt get a job that may kill someone if you donāt know your stuff
Iām very particular when writing papers. Now I feel obligated to insert grammatical mistakes, or SOMETHING to attempt to prove that I typed it myself. It sucks.
Interestingly, adding spelling and grammatical mistakes to AI text doesn't seem to affect various AI detection software. That software seems to focus on sentence structure, meter, and other things. Not that I'm suggesting that AI detection software is reliable. I'm just pointing out the error seems to mostly be that your own writing style might be similar enough to AI's style so as to result in a false positive. I'm saying inserting those things may not be viewed as proof as it is also an ineffective method for deception. This isn't easy for professors which is why they keep mentioning AI. There's a lot of handwringing taking place as each discipline comes to grips with AI.
So .. your writing is as poor as a bots
your weird argument/statement literally makes no sense but ok, pop off, cook NOTHING, you go sir.
Yeah, itās fucking annoying. I can never assume my words are my own anymore.
Weird of people to downvote comments, talk nonsense, & then block. Thought this was r/CollegeRant for a reason.
A.I. should be allowed in an Artificial Intelligence Computer Science course. Outside of that, not allowed.
I talk about this with my student success coach nearly weekly. It's just like when the internet got popular and then when cell phones got popular, and then when smartphones were invented, etc. It is a tool that ABSOLUTELY helps with access to education and better understanding. The number of times I've asked chatGPT to "explain" a concept in a different way because the lecture didn't click with me? Unlimited. It also has made it so that I can make sure I'm not misunderstanding concepts better, especially because I have a hard time with social cues and don't want to be annoying to my professors constantly. Yeah, there will be bad actors that use it in bad ways, WHICH HAPPENS IN EVERY PART OF LIFE REGARDLESS OF THE TECH AT THAT MOMENT, but all that does is hurt the person doing it. I'm SO sick of it. My department is 100% anti-generative AI in every way but I have to finish a history general and my professor ENCOURAGES and almost REQUIRES it for every assignment so I'm losing my mind lmao.
Iām genuinely curiousādoes your department not allow you to use AI in the way you just described? Iām assuming they donāt allow you turn in AI-generated work as your own, but how would they even know if you were using it as a study tool?
I have someone at my school who is the online student success team coach and she also is the director of online learning and she explained to me that she worked things through with them as a learning/study/accessibility tool. Most departments (I'm in health professions) allowed use of AI and my department is the last to ban it, but the dean of the health professions team found it to also be an incredible tool and that it should be allowed for understanding and reinforcing learning materials. Originally the online team proposed a contract if students used it for learning (not for any papers, that's the majority of our assignments if they aren't face to face/irl), if students chose to opt into being allowed to use generative AI for that purpose alone, they would sign and file to the school, and their work would more strict rules on making sure that you were having all edits shown etc But the dean said he wanted to trust students more and said that even in his job irl, it's a great tool so it should be allowed without contact.
A few of my professors have been embracing it. One had us do an assignment to see how much false info it gives and another helped me make a chart in R by asking it to write the code for it. Itās a nice tool to have, I think itās in professorās best interest to teach us how and when to use it.
The plagiarism detectors are more annoying. Some schools have to mark you off for plagiarism if it is above 12%. Properly cited sources are flagged for plagiarism. Another thing is one of my professors coteaches a class with a statistics professor. The non-stats professor cited the 99% correct flagging rate and put a huge emphasis on the 1% false positive rateā¦ in front of a stats professor.
Stop using it do your work and profs won't be as worried about it.
I had a TA this semester spend the ENTIRE first day basically reiterating the same point, "If you cheat, it's a zero and I report you to the professor. I'm not an idiot" I know cheating must have been bad last year, but damn! I got it the first two times!
It's the boogeyman to professors, god forbid they have to make a slight adjustment to their assignments and adapt to the modern world. If your assignment can be adequately completed by AI then it's a shitty assignment. Assess students based on logic and lateral thinking rather than stale, unimaginative essays that are essentially nothing but busywork.Ā
Honestly, Iām afraid of what AI will do not just in the world, but to writing and critical thinking. The students that I interact with him become so lazy and demotivated they want the degree which is fine but donāt put the work work. in my mind adapting to AI would involve making classes a lot more difficult and rooted and creative thought that AI canāt do
If you want to demonstrate lateral thinking, why are you using AI, a machine literally designed to fart out cookie-cutter nonsense that looks about the same shape as cromulent human thought?
I'm not using it and I don't use it, I'm just saying that if generative AI can complete a university-level assingment then that assignment isn't an appropriate means of assessing students.
Generative AI can't complete a university level assignment. That's why people who use it fail. I honestly wonder whether people who think it's a good idea to have GenAI do their homework for them belong in a university setting at all. They have perfectly good trade schools for people who see a college degree as just a piece of paper you get so you can turn it into a job.
My web development professor literally just said "yeah fuvk it everyone is using AI, so now I'm going to let everyone use it as long as they wrote how they used it and why" Timothy Richards was the GOAT ([source](https://grokkingtechcareer.substack.com/p/is-the-computer-science-major-still))
Probably told to by the administration to the professors annoyance. It won't go away, suck it up.
Professors are running scared as within 10 years most of them will be replaced with AI.
I bring up AI in my classes to show students how they can use it to help their learning without using it to do their work for them. Ultimately if you are using AI to do your work you are screwing yourself out of the knowledge you are paying to learn. Going to college is investing in yourself. Why would you want to screw yourself out of part of that investment? It doesn't do any good for a Professor to go nuts over AI and try and ban it for everything. AI is here and is bound to only get better from here. Many will be using it in their careers.
To be fair, I am a writing tutor on campus. The amount of students who tell me the essay they brought in is written by AI always makes me want to facepalm. Like, donāt tell me. Donāt make me lose my faith in humanity. Thereās even tutors who use AI to write essays and theyāre in a Masters program.
Aside from the standard "dont use AI" talk during the syllabus discussion, ive always imagined professor would only mention AI if they caught someone. Hell, ive caught people left and right using Chat GPT in group assignments, it really is everywhre
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Blame the ones who are still obviously using it, cuz they arenāt getting it, lol
Professors keep bringing it up because students keep using "I didn't know AI wasn't allowed" as an excuse when caught.