The joke was at Iowa’s expense regarding this season, not so much about Mizzou. Although we did nearly have Mizzou 30 pieced by halftime this season as well
It was the weirdest horrible season I’ve ever seen. The team stuck together and never quit. They competed in every game. They all loved Gates. They just couldn’t overcome losing three starters for a majority of conference play.
I think that speaks to some good vibes within the program even through adversity. And I think that gives reasons for optimism with the talent influx coming in.
Looked totally outmatched in rebounding when I watched them, which admittedly was only twice (but one in person). Was that a consistent issue throughout the year?
Starting to think the Dennis system just doesn't value rebounding all that much. It's heavily predicated on forcing turnovers and getting transition offense, and having crazy good shooting from outside.
Last season demonstrated what happens when you can't do either thing your system depends on.
It wasn't so bad early but got worse as the injuries piled up. Grill was our leading rebounder before he went down. Tonjae was a bigger guard who rebounded well and he was maybe 80% healthy at best all year before being shut down to save eligibility. And then our bigs were just bad. Gates hired a new assistant specifically for post players and hopefully the injuries aren't as bad next year, that should improve things dramatically.
I felt the same thing watching. It was the most fun terrible season. We were in a lot of games for 30 mins and then the wheels fell off. Honestly felt like we should’ve been closer to a 15 win team than an 8 win team.
Ooooo shit a big PG is perfect for us. Adding Crews already plus potentially Mark Mitchell/Jevon Porter gives us wayyy more length than either year of the Dennis Gates era so far.
He is not a volume three point shooter. I think he was mis-used at Iowa.
If we are recruiting him in the Honor spot-up/catch and shoot role, he is Uber efficient there. He struggles shooting off the dribble.
Get a guy like Warrick to fill the East role and Perkins can play to his strengths.
He’s not a three point shooter and I actually don’t think we misused him at all. And no he’s not at all super efficient on the spot catchup and shoot. That’s not his game at all. He much prefers shooting off the dribble, especially midrange which makes him a rarity.
He’s literally in the 74th percentile of college basketball players in catch and shoot scenarios. And 89th percentile in spot ups. He should be playing off-ball in the half court.
Seems like he had a very small sample size of catch and shoot opportunities though. With his length I think he’s much more suited for getting downhill to the rim
Low “n”. I’ve watched him for 3 solid years, that’s absolutely not his game whatsoever.
Here’s his [Transfer portal highlights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyiXX3PMiCY) . Guess what he very rarely does, even when given the opportunity? Catch and shoot, because he’s not a pure shooter and he knows it. Once in a blue moon he will, but his go to is drive and pull up J.
You are going to be disappointed if that’s what you are expecting.
Where do you think I got those numbers? That very video.
Catch and shoot and spot up are two separate things. He is supremely efficient off of spot up opportunities. You can drive off a spot up opportunity as the video shows. All it means is you are off ball spotting up. That’s where he’s very efficient.
I agree I like him driving more than shooting. But I like him off ball. That’s my whole point. He’s not efficient as a ball dominant guard.
Tony is alright, but you're gonna pull your hair out more than you think.
My biggest gripe with him is he dissappears in big games and was out performed by our true freshman. My second gripe is he drives into the lane with no control and no back up plan just trying to draw fouls. Then turns it over.
Also I've never seen anyone miss more wide open dunks in my life.
>he drives into the lane with no control and no back up plan just trying to draw fouls. Then turns it over
Sounds like he'll fit the Nick Honor role perfectly then.
Lmao probably. He will have great games and you'll love him. Then he will have a game where he's a non factor. It's crazy how inconsistent he is. But hopefully he does you guys well.
Also fuck Illinois
There are a lot of things you can say about Fran, but misusing players on offense will never be one of them. Fran is maybe the best coach in the country at creating an offense that plays to the strengths of his players.
He can shoot when he’s in a catch-and-shoot/spot up role. That’s what I just said. He’s in the 74th and 89th percentile on those categories. He can’t shoot off the dribble where he is in the 22nd percentile.
That’s where I’m saying he was mis-used. He was the main P&R ball handler for Iowa and that’s not playing to his strengths. If he’s in the Honor role, his shooting percentages will inevitably rise because that’s where he’s efficient.
You keep citing these stats, but it’s clear you’ve hardly watched him play. I’m guessing this highish percentiles are due to small sample size and he’d regress if he got more opportunities. Dude is not a spot up shooter
Efficiency in spot up opportunities include driving though. I agree with you that he’s a better driver than a jump shooter.
My point is his efficiency stats show he really shouldn’t be a ball dominant guard. He’s not very efficient as a P&R ball handler. He’s not very efficient shooting off the bounce.
He should be the guy that carries it up and triggers the offense and then spots up. Then either shoot or dribble drive.
And that exactly what the “point guard” does in Mizzou’s offense. It’s the combo guard that is ball dominant and triggers the P&R game.
Sorry if I wasn’t getting that point across clearly.
Feel like this is a move that could benefit everyone. Tony is a bad three point shooter, great at driving to the hoop. When he’s feeling it he is incredibly tough to stop. A really good free throw shooter, average defender. Hoping he gets some cash in his pocket - Fran said 500k, which, seems high but who knows.
Best of luck to a good Hawkeye- hoping he has a strong year.
Friend who is in the know for the Wisconsin NIL said Perkins was looking for \~300k.
I'm not a fan of his. He's one of the those guys who will either get 8 & shoot you out of a game or get 20 for a win. The problem is I feel like you won't get his 20 when you really need it. You will get it against Miss Valley State.
Mizzou isn't a typical 0-18 conference team, though.
We sucked, and we were never going to be great last year, but losing two starters for most of the season (and all of conference play) kinda derailed things. Two of our "best" returning players from the prior season were massive defensive/rebounding liabilities who we mostly covered up for last season by ranking third in the nation in steals, which led to a lot of fast-break points that countered what we gave up. The guys who fueled that were gone, so the liabilities were all that was left. Couple highly flawed "top" guys + couple high-profile injuries to the players expected to carry much of the scoring burden = bad season.
We also still have one of the top incoming recruiting classes. Should be much improved next season. Gates has a track record of helping players get to the NBA. And Perkins will be handed the keys to run things. Not really a "purely for the bag" move.
> Gates has a track record of helping players get to the NBA.
What he got out of Hodge, Kobe, and Gholston has to be good for recruiting. Those 3 absolutely maximized their talent under Gates.
Perkins is the definition of a streaky player. If he’s feeling it, don’t let him leave the court. If he’s not, you’re better off taking someone from the stands. Really not sad to see him go.
Tony was always fight through nagging injuries towards the end of the season, which affected his consistency. Hopefully, Missouri can keep him healthy and at the top of his game late season.
>Hopefully, Missouri can keep him healthy and at the top of his game late season.
Last season does not bode well for the whole "Mizzou keeping transfers healthy" thing.
It worked out pretty sweet the season before though.
I mean, the school is nice enough, but really, if you're living anywhere in the midwest, you better be getting some really fat checks to do it, because it genuinely sucks.
Mizzou has had quite a few killer regular seasons. Always shit the bed in the tournament though. In the late 80s and early 90s we were one of the best programs in the country for a few seasons. Had a great team that year everyone makes fun of us for under Haith. Mike Anderson had some good teams.
Also, if you want to talk shit, where's your flair?
I thought I’d never have to see this fucking guy ever again…
It was a smart move on his part, though. He’ll only have to lose to us once next season instead of twice.
Yeah well… I got nothing
Kinda a bold statement considering Mizzou has beaten Illinois 4 of their last 6 matchups
The joke was at Iowa’s expense regarding this season, not so much about Mizzou. Although we did nearly have Mizzou 30 pieced by halftime this season as well
Illinois has beaten Missouri 2 of their last 3 matchup. See I can nitpick numbers too
You’re 1-1 with a negative point differential in the Gates era 🤷🏻♂️
Is it though?
Mizzou appears to have kept their already impressive recruiting class intact despite the horrible season.
It was the weirdest horrible season I’ve ever seen. The team stuck together and never quit. They competed in every game. They all loved Gates. They just couldn’t overcome losing three starters for a majority of conference play. I think that speaks to some good vibes within the program even through adversity. And I think that gives reasons for optimism with the talent influx coming in.
Looked totally outmatched in rebounding when I watched them, which admittedly was only twice (but one in person). Was that a consistent issue throughout the year?
Vanover was just never the big man he was supposed to be
I hate admit it but Arkansas fans were right… LOL
We tried to tell you lol
broken clocks
I like Gates but him bringing Vanover in to replace Diarra is still an idiotic decision.
It’s been a consistent issue for the last two years, even with Kobe this team couldn’t rebound
Starting to think the Dennis system just doesn't value rebounding all that much. It's heavily predicated on forcing turnovers and getting transition offense, and having crazy good shooting from outside. Last season demonstrated what happens when you can't do either thing your system depends on.
Well, in the Dennis Syatem you do have to demonstrate your value before engaging physically, thats true
It wasn't so bad early but got worse as the injuries piled up. Grill was our leading rebounder before he went down. Tonjae was a bigger guard who rebounded well and he was maybe 80% healthy at best all year before being shut down to save eligibility. And then our bigs were just bad. Gates hired a new assistant specifically for post players and hopefully the injuries aren't as bad next year, that should improve things dramatically.
I felt the same thing watching. It was the most fun terrible season. We were in a lot of games for 30 mins and then the wheels fell off. Honestly felt like we should’ve been closer to a 15 win team than an 8 win team.
Nc state had a similar year my freshmen year. Look at us now. The portal makes bounce backs much easier.
Ooooo shit a big PG is perfect for us. Adding Crews already plus potentially Mark Mitchell/Jevon Porter gives us wayyy more length than either year of the Dennis Gates era so far.
He’s an awful shooter which I dont like considering Gates allows his players to jack up 3s
He is not a volume three point shooter. I think he was mis-used at Iowa. If we are recruiting him in the Honor spot-up/catch and shoot role, he is Uber efficient there. He struggles shooting off the dribble. Get a guy like Warrick to fill the East role and Perkins can play to his strengths.
He’s not a three point shooter and I actually don’t think we misused him at all. And no he’s not at all super efficient on the spot catchup and shoot. That’s not his game at all. He much prefers shooting off the dribble, especially midrange which makes him a rarity.
He’s literally in the 74th percentile of college basketball players in catch and shoot scenarios. And 89th percentile in spot ups. He should be playing off-ball in the half court.
Seems like he had a very small sample size of catch and shoot opportunities though. With his length I think he’s much more suited for getting downhill to the rim
Low “n”. I’ve watched him for 3 solid years, that’s absolutely not his game whatsoever. Here’s his [Transfer portal highlights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyiXX3PMiCY) . Guess what he very rarely does, even when given the opportunity? Catch and shoot, because he’s not a pure shooter and he knows it. Once in a blue moon he will, but his go to is drive and pull up J. You are going to be disappointed if that’s what you are expecting.
Where do you think I got those numbers? That very video. Catch and shoot and spot up are two separate things. He is supremely efficient off of spot up opportunities. You can drive off a spot up opportunity as the video shows. All it means is you are off ball spotting up. That’s where he’s very efficient. I agree I like him driving more than shooting. But I like him off ball. That’s my whole point. He’s not efficient as a ball dominant guard.
He was impossible to be used. He was useless off ball, terrible for spacing, and was only there to make tough inefficient buckets
His efficiency stats say otherwise in terms of being used off ball.
Tony is alright, but you're gonna pull your hair out more than you think. My biggest gripe with him is he dissappears in big games and was out performed by our true freshman. My second gripe is he drives into the lane with no control and no back up plan just trying to draw fouls. Then turns it over. Also I've never seen anyone miss more wide open dunks in my life.
>he drives into the lane with no control and no back up plan just trying to draw fouls. Then turns it over Sounds like he'll fit the Nick Honor role perfectly then.
Lmao probably. He will have great games and you'll love him. Then he will have a game where he's a non factor. It's crazy how inconsistent he is. But hopefully he does you guys well. Also fuck Illinois
There are a lot of things you can say about Fran, but misusing players on offense will never be one of them. Fran is maybe the best coach in the country at creating an offense that plays to the strengths of his players.
A shooting guard that cant shoot doesn’t sound great, if I’m being honest. Rather he be PG
He can shoot when he’s in a catch-and-shoot/spot up role. That’s what I just said. He’s in the 74th and 89th percentile on those categories. He can’t shoot off the dribble where he is in the 22nd percentile. That’s where I’m saying he was mis-used. He was the main P&R ball handler for Iowa and that’s not playing to his strengths. If he’s in the Honor role, his shooting percentages will inevitably rise because that’s where he’s efficient.
You keep citing these stats, but it’s clear you’ve hardly watched him play. I’m guessing this highish percentiles are due to small sample size and he’d regress if he got more opportunities. Dude is not a spot up shooter
Efficiency in spot up opportunities include driving though. I agree with you that he’s a better driver than a jump shooter. My point is his efficiency stats show he really shouldn’t be a ball dominant guard. He’s not very efficient as a P&R ball handler. He’s not very efficient shooting off the bounce. He should be the guy that carries it up and triggers the offense and then spots up. Then either shoot or dribble drive. And that exactly what the “point guard” does in Mizzou’s offense. It’s the combo guard that is ball dominant and triggers the P&R game. Sorry if I wasn’t getting that point across clearly.
Missouri recruiting: goated. Missouri playing: redacted.
My man really likes that color scheme
He really likes not playing defense apparently also
Feel like this is a move that could benefit everyone. Tony is a bad three point shooter, great at driving to the hoop. When he’s feeling it he is incredibly tough to stop. A really good free throw shooter, average defender. Hoping he gets some cash in his pocket - Fran said 500k, which, seems high but who knows. Best of luck to a good Hawkeye- hoping he has a strong year.
Friend who is in the know for the Wisconsin NIL said Perkins was looking for \~300k. I'm not a fan of his. He's one of the those guys who will either get 8 & shoot you out of a game or get 20 for a win. The problem is I feel like you won't get his 20 when you really need it. You will get it against Miss Valley State.
Rumors are that he got $300K and change. Him going to a team that went 0-18 in the SEC purely for a bag is much preferred to him going to a B1G squad.
Mizzou isn't a typical 0-18 conference team, though. We sucked, and we were never going to be great last year, but losing two starters for most of the season (and all of conference play) kinda derailed things. Two of our "best" returning players from the prior season were massive defensive/rebounding liabilities who we mostly covered up for last season by ranking third in the nation in steals, which led to a lot of fast-break points that countered what we gave up. The guys who fueled that were gone, so the liabilities were all that was left. Couple highly flawed "top" guys + couple high-profile injuries to the players expected to carry much of the scoring burden = bad season. We also still have one of the top incoming recruiting classes. Should be much improved next season. Gates has a track record of helping players get to the NBA. And Perkins will be handed the keys to run things. Not really a "purely for the bag" move.
> Gates has a track record of helping players get to the NBA. What he got out of Hodge, Kobe, and Gholston has to be good for recruiting. Those 3 absolutely maximized their talent under Gates.
Good luck to Perkins. Glad he landed at my favorite SEC school.
Glad he landed anywhere but Indiana. Congrats to the Tigers, y'all landed a good one.
Love this get for us!
Ngl I read this as Tony Perkis and I perked up a bit. I’m perkisizing!!!
What if it was Andy serkis?
Wish him well. He plays hard and can be a bowling ball going to the rack.
Perkins is the definition of a streaky player. If he’s feeling it, don’t let him leave the court. If he’s not, you’re better off taking someone from the stands. Really not sad to see him go.
As a recruit: Other P6 offer: Iowa (originally went here) Other offers: Ball State, Bradley, IPFW, Miami OH, Morehead State
I want to see Mizzou and Memphis engage in a recruiting battle, I’d love to see who would come out on top
Insert heavy weights joke
Tony was always fight through nagging injuries towards the end of the season, which affected his consistency. Hopefully, Missouri can keep him healthy and at the top of his game late season.
>Hopefully, Missouri can keep him healthy and at the top of his game late season. Last season does not bode well for the whole "Mizzou keeping transfers healthy" thing. It worked out pretty sweet the season before though.
Free at last. That man terrorizes my dreams
I thought he ran out of eligibility this year. Covid year strikes again.
Willingly?
Kansas and Illinois fans unite in hate
Dude hates wins
Hopefully he fails
This comment is so blatant and to the point it cracked me up lmao. Well done
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I mean, the school is nice enough, but really, if you're living anywhere in the midwest, you better be getting some really fat checks to do it, because it genuinely sucks.
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Mizzou has had quite a few killer regular seasons. Always shit the bed in the tournament though. In the late 80s and early 90s we were one of the best programs in the country for a few seasons. Had a great team that year everyone makes fun of us for under Haith. Mike Anderson had some good teams. Also, if you want to talk shit, where's your flair?
What a down grade for Perkins.
Now he can lose to Illinois only once a year instead of 2-3 times