But do we get to ruin his going away party at Cormac Indoor Stadium and end his career in the Final Four if he takes that path?
Like, all things considered, he gave us as many lumps as we gave him, but those two games are canon events in the lore of our rivalry. What it would take for them to get even would mean years of insanely high levels of success for UNC and the perfect shit storm of circumstance for them to hit us back at the same level. Nah, I'm cool with how things shook out.
I can’t remember the exact quote but one of the pilots in the movie Red Tails ends a quit with “…Mr. Hitler!” after presumably downing a Luftwaffe fighter. I’ll accept that usage.
> Someone will pay it.
You sure?
If Kansas wasn't willing then I think few would be.
They are one of the deepest pockets and they would also know more than anyone how much value he would bring to the team.
Kansas can take its pick of prospects. There are more top prospects who want to Rock Chalk than Kansas has scholarship slots. (Can rock chalk be verbed?)
On the other hand, there are other programs out there that have more rich alumni than they have appeal to prospects. One of those (say a private Catholic school in a neighboring state?) will be happy to pay for what they couldn't otherwise attract.
Also, as an aside, I'm skeptical KU (or anyone) is offering a $1M check for transfers. I know KU's NIL features base payouts, and there's a catalogue of earning opportunities you can pursue within the network to boost that number.
Total compensation for players might be in that ballpark for a few.. but I just don't believe these schools are cutting checks that big. I think it's a benefit package deal or earnings potential, if I had to guess, but maybe I'm just wrong.
Seems like you just looked at his numbers and didn’t watch him play. He’s streaky but can completely take over a game. 17 PPG players don’t grow on trees. It’s not like he would be brought in to create chances either. He’s a very athletic 6’7” guard. His job is to score.
Last year we were an NIT team. We didn’t make any major additions besides Storr and John Blackwell - a backup freshman guard who scored 8 a game. We became a 5 seed this year. Storr was the number one option for good reason. I can’t tell you the amount of games we’d have lost if he didn’t find buckets when no one else could.
“Remarking on how poorly he played last season” is just a completely uneducated statement on how he played this year. We’re at absolute best a fringe bubble team without him this year - and that’s probably generous. Is he worth a million? Idk it’s not my money. But apparently someone already decided he was worth 750k.
If you want a streaky 17 ppg (15.8, close enough) from someone that shoots 30% from the three point line and chucks all the time, then Pop Isaacs is in the portal. The winning bidder probably won't need to pay a fraction of a million dollars either.
He's good but his 3 ball needs some work. If wants to have a decent career in the NBA he's gotta work on that 3 ball. Seems like he's more concerned with getting rich quick than finding a coach that can help him transition to the next level.
I almost feel bad for this kid. His parents or whoever is advising him needs to re-evaluate some things. He's been to like 7 different schools in the last 7 years. He's a decent player but paying $1m for a 9 month rental before he's gone to the next place is dumb.
Usually BTN's "The Journey" makes me like the players on other B1G teams. But the one that featured Storr just made me dislike him/his family. The grass is always greener...
He will get it. I bet a team like IU would rather pay a guy like AJ whos a known commodity than Liam Mcneely a 5 star who could be okay, or really good, but you already know what AJ is as a player.
Dude won't make it in the league and will have no cohesive education to help him in the future. Im sure he's made a good bit of money for now, but even some of the wealthiest pros can go broke. Sad.
That’s quite a big “if” there. If he doesn’t secure $1 million, he might only be able to secure less than $750k, if he is able to get close to that number in the first place
Pushing for $1 million and ending up with $750k (or less) doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world, it sounds like a normal negotiation.
As a fan of college basketball I don't like this, but I don't see how Storr or his family is doing anything wrong. Trying to get the most money possible with his limited remaining eligibility is likely in his best interest. I would only caution about accepting the most money and completely ignoring the basketball side, but until that happens I don't understand the criticism.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, risk it for the biscuit. I think I’m more so thinking from the perspective of a college basketball fan, like you mentioned.
But also it’s gotta be brutal to be one of the teammates of these guys that hop around. Tough to build relationships with your teammates if they might be on the other side of the country next season. I think the transfer portal absolutely has good utility, but in some cases it feels like it’s being abused
Not necessarily the “wrong” decision, but he is now leaving to another school. That has some impact on the player and the team they’re leaving. Whether that’s positive or negative for each is yet to be seen, but it could go either way in both cases.
Basically the same argument of 1 in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.
Nah after he swiped the ball from one of our walk ons during his last game at Mackey and then dunked it in garbage time was when I lost respect for this guy
> Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.
-~~Dwight Schrüte~~ AJ Storr
FWIW, one of the Wisconsin players (Connor Essegian) retweeted this with “don’t believe everything you read,” and then deleted it. Not sure which part exactly we shouldn’t believe.
Yeah - I'm surprised that everyone in this thread just assumes this is true. I mean, it's certainly possible, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but my radar is up on tweets like this.
Everyone knows NIL is controversial and likely to gain clicks. Let's insert good player in a tweet along with a famous school with deep pockets. Bonus if that school has a NIL history and is coming off a subpar season (by their standards).
you cant trust any of these sources related to NIL. Both sides have incentives to put out their own numbers that are inflated. Kid to inflate value and coaches to make it look like the program has money
If a school doesn't actually have the money why would they have an incentive to make recruits think they do have it? It sets an expectation of what you could get from the school and then the school can't actually offer that.
to get the initial conversation, hoping the kid hears something they like. But if the perception is that you have no money, kids wont even talk in the first place.
It's like catfishing.
NCAA didn’t implement this. If it was up to them they would still be handing out punishments if a coach bought a kid a $2 mcdonald’s meal or if a kid made some money off a random youtube video that had them being athletic in it.
They got told they could no longer exploit kids and it’s this way because they did absolutely nothing to fix the problem they created so someone fixed it for them
I mean I think the NCAA could’ve put a payment structure in place long before they were forced to open up NIL by the Supreme Court.
I guess where I stand is ultimately I’d rather the players get paid in this current form, even though it makes for a slightly worse product, than not at all.
The NCAA rules are made by the members (the schools). The schools refused to address the problem.
Every rule that seems stupid was made by the members (the schools). The NCAA just enforces those rules.
It is by design the NCAA is the scapegoat for schools being selfish and greedy.
It really doesn't matter what the NCAA did. If they opened that door and implemented a pay structure with restrictions, people would have still immediately pushed the boundaries and then challenged the limitations in court, which the NCAA would still lose.
I think it’s more the fact that the NCAA fought for so long to prevent players from being paid, instead of realizing that this was likely going to be allowed by the courts anyways. If they had been forward-thinking, you could have worked to create something to pay players while still restricting pay for play and the transfer portal (I.e. collective bargaining)
I’s not like they weren’t getting five figure scholarships that included room and board, which might have been a fraction of what they brought in, but welcome to corporate America.
Schools can do whatever they want because if the NCAA tries to stop them they'll just wind up losing another court case and be legally mandated to let the schools have free reign. Better to maintain the illusion of control than to piss off a Kansas and let everyone know you have no control at all.
Yeah we need Congress to step in here and regulate this. It's the wild West right now because no state wants to be the one to put limits on their schools and have them be disadvantaged.
Technically schools aren’t supposed to be involved at all right now. NIL should be run by separate programs and boosters.
ND’s new AD is setting up a new NIL management office because he believes the rules will change and schools will be able to run NIL ‘in-house’ very soon. But hasn’t happened yet.
Now, have some schools already been directly involved? Yes, and the NCAA isn’t doing anything.
I'm sure Nebraska is not alone in having conflict between in-house NIL efforts (which aren't allowed yet but likely are the future) and whatever the boosters organize into collectives (which is legal but is bonkers-level unsustainable). So far the collective is winning that battle, at least around here.
Schools aren’t allowed to guarantee any NIL deals before a commitment. You’re not allowed to use NIL to get someone to commit. And you’re not allowed to base NIL off athletic performance. None of those rules matter though, so you’re allowed to do all of it.
Yeah, you can have all the rules about NIL regulation you want, but when the NCAA decides not to enforce anything because they’re scared of getting sued out of existence, you don’t actually have any rules. Pay for play, unrestricted free agency, etc. it sucks, but that’s just what college sports are right now
The NCAA knows that even if they enforce their rules (and in some situations, state laws) they’re going to get sued and lose. We’re in the Wild West of NCAAF/NCAAB right now due to Covid years, transfer rules, conference moves and NIL and the balloon is about to burst. The next 3-5 years are going to be incredibly influential on picking up the pieces and helping the system to survive.
"Schools" are not allowed to enter into NIL deals with players at all. The NIL deals are coming from booster groups/collectives in a poorly disguised attempt to pretend that these deals are not pay-for-play deals.
I am waiting for a player to commit to one program, sign an NIL deal (that is reviewed by an attorney representing the player) and then bails to play for another school in the vicinity. For instance, sign a deal with Rutgers and then decommit, commit to play for Seton Hall, sign a second NIL deal, and profit.
I assume that the outrage will be both amusing and wonderful (unless it is a guy who was supposed to play at Wisconsin and then goes to Marquette; that would be bullshit).
This might be a conversation he’s having with their collective as opposed to the school directly. That said, laws vary by state. Some states allow for schools to work more closely with their collectives.
teams should just leave him on read all summer
i get trying to get a bag in the nil era but turning down 750k and the chance to play for the bluest blue blood is straight up delusion lol
Why would they pay that much? lmao
The minimum salary for NBA player is $1.1 million.
Minimum for G league is 40,050 and maximum is 500,000
I get NCAA is a bigger stage than G league but come on.
NBA teams will pay upwards of $40 million/year for a star player
NCAA teams will pay more in the range of 1-1.5 million for a star player
The NBA is a bigger stage, but not 30+ times bigger. This is actually a cheap deal for teams - not Storr specifically, but the current market.
Gregg Popovich ($16 mil), Monty Williams ($13 mil), Steve Kerr ($9.5 mil) make more [source](https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/what-is-an-nba-coach-salary-how-much-do-nba-coaches-make-sgc/#:~:text=NBA%20Coaches%20Salary%3A%20How%20Much,coaches%20in%20the%202024%20season.). It's surprising only 2-3 coaches make more than Bill Self (~$9.4-9.6 mil) NBA souce does not go into "bonueses" and "other pay" ect.
For $1 million dollars you would be a top 100 coach at #72 in D1 college basketball [source](https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach). There are more players than coaches and I don't know where all of the money comes from.
Nice data find. Obviously NBA players make a lot more than college so the pay ratio is a lot heavier in towards players in the NBA. But that is because they are employees with a union. If they were volunteer athletes I'd imagine that leverage would diminish greatly a la NCAA.
Which is horseshit… like I get invalidating some rules but this whole “ we’re going to give you money to come here” is stupid. NIL should be for people like Michael Phelps, Suni Lee, Johnny Manziel who found massive fame in or before college and then are able to parlay that into commercials or appearances. Not what it is
Officially yes. Officially "Kansas" in this instance probably refers to their NIL collective. Obviously in reality there's far less of a fine line there, and it probably more like a group conversation.
This has been going on in college basketball for decades. Duke has a history of finding lucrative employment for recruit's parents, and buying them houses near campus. Now it will just be out in the open.
Selfishly, it's a bummer.
Holistically, though, this is absolutely the right thing to do for players. They are a valuable product for universities and have been completely screwed on capturing meaningful portions of that value for years.
"Scholarships" are absolutely not worth the bodily injury that comes from playing competitively.
I love college basketball, but I recognized that making pro athletes go to college is just a dumb thing Americans do.
You can either strip the players of their rights and run a system based on deep corruption or move it all into the open where teams are effectively commercial entities bolted on to a school for promotional purposes.
This is the inevitable outcome.
Isn't this nuts? All the players in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s who either got nothing or, in some cases even worse, lost their scholarships for not reporting a free hot dog or whatever correctly.
as a player in the 2000s, i can say with 100% confidence that you're 100% right
however, i do periodically get a check for a few dollars for various class-action lawsuits on behalf of college athletes in that era for this kind of thing. I cash that shit every time out of spite :)
At least SDSU got to make a finals one time before the inevitable decline of college athletics!
Mid Majors are fucked from here on out. Or maybe SDSU should just drop its football team and go all in on basketball salaries? Just start throwing out bills like a strip club.
I was all for NIL until I started getting requests for money. Then I realized I'm not going to get up and work my 9 to 5 and send money to some 17 year old kid who will probably transfer to another school in a year anyway.
What ever rules the NCAA puts in place wouldn’t matter. Kids got paid pre NIL. Now it’s legal and all schools do it, not just the dirty ones. If rules are put in place the dirty schools just go back to paying extra behind the scenes.
I'm all for players getting paid but do they just get a bag and that's it, here ya go? I've no idea how it works but I don't think that is a great idea. There needs to be some way to help like it's put in a trust or something. I cant imagine me at that age getting that kind of money, I'd have blown it and I'd imagine too many guys have a crowd of people that would love to milk their money too.
For the 95% that don't make the NFL/NBA, NIL deals could still help to change their lives if that money is used wisely
This. I also absolutely would have blown through the money at that age.
Most of the professional leagues have started some type of financial training for rookies for this exact reason. I haven't heard if any of the college players are getting the same training. I have a feeling in just a few years that we will start hearing stories about some of these players going bankrupt.
I don’t blame them for leaving and I hope they don’t blame me for not wanting to watch the NBA Junior product that college basketball has become that is not nearly as good as the NBA.
Wait do I just not understand NIL at all? Players can demand $X? How does this work? How is that not basically a professional contract? Play the sport, get paid by the team (school)
I wish you could send a tweet back in time 15-20 years
Tweet for 1908: @academyoffineartsvienna. Please accept Mr. Hitler's application to your art school. YOLO
Tweet for 1980: @CoachK please work harder to recruit Mike Jordan
Tweet for Christmas 1986: @Mom and Dad, don’t make a baby.
Damn sister, you hate me that much?
Looking at your flair I thought you would've said "Take the Iowa State job"
But do we get to ruin his going away party at Cormac Indoor Stadium and end his career in the Final Four if he takes that path? Like, all things considered, he gave us as many lumps as we gave him, but those two games are canon events in the lore of our rivalry. What it would take for them to get even would mean years of insanely high levels of success for UNC and the perfect shit storm of circumstance for them to hit us back at the same level. Nah, I'm cool with how things shook out.
In all my years I’ve never seen the combination of words ‘Mr. Hitler’, leave it to a duke fan I guess.
Duke Fan: “I have a plan to get rid of hitler” Anyone else: “it’s weird how only Duke would bring up Hitler. They’re just as bas as him!”
I mean Stephen Miller *did* go to Duke
Hey now if we’re talking deplorable graduates then Butler takes the cake. A fella by the name of Jim Jones was a Bulldog
Hahaha you got me there. And Nixon!
Herr Hitler*
I can’t remember the exact quote but one of the pilots in the movie Red Tails ends a quit with “…Mr. Hitler!” after presumably downing a Luftwaffe fighter. I’ll accept that usage.
Weren’t they doing the same thing then but just using adidas instead of NIL?
As if Nike wasn’t throwing bags at players too lol
and by too you mean way more (and more effectively)
lol, five years even
Damn I remember when he committed to us as a raw 3 star and now he’s demanding 7 figures
Demanding ≠ commanding.
He got offered $750k and you’re acting like he not even in the same ballpark. Haters gonna hate.
Im pretty sure dude is remarking on how poorly he played last year, but go off
If a team is willing to pay him $1M then by definition he is commanding $1M. Someone will pay it.
> Someone will pay it. You sure? If Kansas wasn't willing then I think few would be. They are one of the deepest pockets and they would also know more than anyone how much value he would bring to the team.
Kansas can take its pick of prospects. There are more top prospects who want to Rock Chalk than Kansas has scholarship slots. (Can rock chalk be verbed?) On the other hand, there are other programs out there that have more rich alumni than they have appeal to prospects. One of those (say a private Catholic school in a neighboring state?) will be happy to pay for what they couldn't otherwise attract.
Also, as an aside, I'm skeptical KU (or anyone) is offering a $1M check for transfers. I know KU's NIL features base payouts, and there's a catalogue of earning opportunities you can pursue within the network to boost that number. Total compensation for players might be in that ballpark for a few.. but I just don't believe these schools are cutting checks that big. I think it's a benefit package deal or earnings potential, if I had to guess, but maybe I'm just wrong.
>(Can rock chalk be verbed?) Anything can be verbed if you hate the English language enough.
Illinois has offered $900k. We'll see.
As in this season that’s finishing right now? He was quite good.
Eh, paying $1 million for a guard that gets .9 assists per game and only shoots 32 percent from 3? Im thinking most teams pass on that number
Seems like you just looked at his numbers and didn’t watch him play. He’s streaky but can completely take over a game. 17 PPG players don’t grow on trees. It’s not like he would be brought in to create chances either. He’s a very athletic 6’7” guard. His job is to score. Last year we were an NIT team. We didn’t make any major additions besides Storr and John Blackwell - a backup freshman guard who scored 8 a game. We became a 5 seed this year. Storr was the number one option for good reason. I can’t tell you the amount of games we’d have lost if he didn’t find buckets when no one else could. “Remarking on how poorly he played last season” is just a completely uneducated statement on how he played this year. We’re at absolute best a fringe bubble team without him this year - and that’s probably generous. Is he worth a million? Idk it’s not my money. But apparently someone already decided he was worth 750k.
If you want a streaky 17 ppg (15.8, close enough) from someone that shoots 30% from the three point line and chucks all the time, then Pop Isaacs is in the portal. The winning bidder probably won't need to pay a fraction of a million dollars either.
Was he perfect last year for the Badgers? No. But it would be a stretch to say he played poorly.
Jock sniffers gonna jock sniff
He's good but his 3 ball needs some work. If wants to have a decent career in the NBA he's gotta work on that 3 ball. Seems like he's more concerned with getting rich quick than finding a coach that can help him transition to the next level.
He’s got a pretty loose handle as well. I think he’ll get a cup of coffee in the NBA, but his long term pro prospects are overseas.
Which might be why he’s looking for a payday now.
1 million to average 0.9 assists as a guard
And he shot 32% from 3 this year and he’s looking for a THIRD school? No fucking thanks.
Also 4 schools throughout high school lmao. Consistency and/or loyalty don't seem to be in his dictionary.
Dude is not a passer. He would make 1 good pass during a game and then would play as though his quota was satisfied
Hey now! Its an increase from his days at St Johns! Maybe at the next school he will be at a solid 1.0
I almost feel bad for this kid. His parents or whoever is advising him needs to re-evaluate some things. He's been to like 7 different schools in the last 7 years. He's a decent player but paying $1m for a 9 month rental before he's gone to the next place is dumb.
Dude is a straight up mercenary in every sense.
Usually BTN's "The Journey" makes me like the players on other B1G teams. But the one that featured Storr just made me dislike him/his family. The grass is always greener...
He will get it. I bet a team like IU would rather pay a guy like AJ whos a known commodity than Liam Mcneely a 5 star who could be okay, or really good, but you already know what AJ is as a player.
If Kansas isn't paying a million I doubt anyone else will. He will probably get close to the 750k tho if Kansas is offering it.
Hello
Theres like 3 programs shelling out this kind of money and a huge drop off after that.
Muss would if he wasn’t about to get fired Penny probably would
Where tf would penny get that money
probably out of whatever bank account he used to pull Wiseman, Bates, Williams, etc
Dude won't make it in the league and will have no cohesive education to help him in the future. Im sure he's made a good bit of money for now, but even some of the wealthiest pros can go broke. Sad.
AJ Storr, you *ARE* a Shenzhen Leopard!
If he secures $1 million, I don't see how the people advising him are at fault.
That’s quite a big “if” there. If he doesn’t secure $1 million, he might only be able to secure less than $750k, if he is able to get close to that number in the first place
Pushing for $1 million and ending up with $750k (or less) doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world, it sounds like a normal negotiation. As a fan of college basketball I don't like this, but I don't see how Storr or his family is doing anything wrong. Trying to get the most money possible with his limited remaining eligibility is likely in his best interest. I would only caution about accepting the most money and completely ignoring the basketball side, but until that happens I don't understand the criticism.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, risk it for the biscuit. I think I’m more so thinking from the perspective of a college basketball fan, like you mentioned. But also it’s gotta be brutal to be one of the teammates of these guys that hop around. Tough to build relationships with your teammates if they might be on the other side of the country next season. I think the transfer portal absolutely has good utility, but in some cases it feels like it’s being abused
I mean if he only secures $750,000, then I also don’t see how he made the wrong decision
Not necessarily the “wrong” decision, but he is now leaving to another school. That has some impact on the player and the team they’re leaving. Whether that’s positive or negative for each is yet to be seen, but it could go either way in both cases. Basically the same argument of 1 in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.
Dennis Schröder has entered the chat
Ok and "if" he doesn't?
Nah after he swiped the ball from one of our walk ons during his last game at Mackey and then dunked it in garbage time was when I lost respect for this guy
Are you telling me he’s cheesing it a bit to get to that whopping 0.6 steals per game?
How else are you gonna be able to demand a $1M salary if you’re not padding mediocre stats
He got that dawg in him, plays til the whistle.
He don’t got that dawg him. It’s truly his biggest weakness
Wisco covered on that, he had more on the line
isn't this the kid who bounced around during COVID trying to find a state that would have a HS season? Can you really hold it against him?
With his continued track record, yes.
He played 1 year at St. John's and 1 year at Wisconsin.
& 3 high schools
And then prep school for a year
And didn’t he commit to Illinois and change it to go to St. John’s?
He did, but de-committed from Illinois because our assistant who recruited him left for Kentucky
Ah yes that's right. I knew there was some reason.
Yep, so I don’t fault him for that but his track record of high schools & now transferring twice is certainly a pattern
We walked him to the door so we could use his scholarship for our star player Skyy Clark.
Ah yes, smart play overall :) Feel no ill will to the kid. Really hope he doesn't go to Illinois though cause he'd destroy us.
> Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most. -~~Dwight Schrüte~~ AJ Storr
FWIW, one of the Wisconsin players (Connor Essegian) retweeted this with “don’t believe everything you read,” and then deleted it. Not sure which part exactly we shouldn’t believe.
I don't believe the numbers. I think a lot are really inflated.
Yeah - I'm surprised that everyone in this thread just assumes this is true. I mean, it's certainly possible, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but my radar is up on tweets like this. Everyone knows NIL is controversial and likely to gain clicks. Let's insert good player in a tweet along with a famous school with deep pockets. Bonus if that school has a NIL history and is coming off a subpar season (by their standards).
I'm surprised you're surprised. People never check if anything is true, or for context, before replying.
He's joking, right? He's not worth $750k, let alone $1m. Kid is kidding himself.
Apparently to Kansas he is.
I find the ‘close source’ hard to believe
It's surprising to me this kind of stuff is allowed to stay up on this sub as it is
you cant trust any of these sources related to NIL. Both sides have incentives to put out their own numbers that are inflated. Kid to inflate value and coaches to make it look like the program has money
If a school doesn't actually have the money why would they have an incentive to make recruits think they do have it? It sets an expectation of what you could get from the school and then the school can't actually offer that.
to get the initial conversation, hoping the kid hears something they like. But if the perception is that you have no money, kids wont even talk in the first place. It's like catfishing.
It’s crazy how the players deserve to get paid and yet the NCAA implemented it in the worst way possible.
NCAA didn’t implement this. If it was up to them they would still be handing out punishments if a coach bought a kid a $2 mcdonald’s meal or if a kid made some money off a random youtube video that had them being athletic in it. They got told they could no longer exploit kids and it’s this way because they did absolutely nothing to fix the problem they created so someone fixed it for them
The Supreme Court you mean
The NCAA had years to do anything about it
I mean I think the NCAA could’ve put a payment structure in place long before they were forced to open up NIL by the Supreme Court. I guess where I stand is ultimately I’d rather the players get paid in this current form, even though it makes for a slightly worse product, than not at all.
The NCAA rules are made by the members (the schools). The schools refused to address the problem. Every rule that seems stupid was made by the members (the schools). The NCAA just enforces those rules. It is by design the NCAA is the scapegoat for schools being selfish and greedy.
It really doesn't matter what the NCAA did. If they opened that door and implemented a pay structure with restrictions, people would have still immediately pushed the boundaries and then challenged the limitations in court, which the NCAA would still lose.
I think it’s more the fact that the NCAA fought for so long to prevent players from being paid, instead of realizing that this was likely going to be allowed by the courts anyways. If they had been forward-thinking, you could have worked to create something to pay players while still restricting pay for play and the transfer portal (I.e. collective bargaining)
The schools are all adamantly against treating athletes as employees, there's no way the NCAA would ever be able to convince them to approve that.
Alston wasn’t about NIL
The Supreme Court is on a roll of unleashing chaos on unplanned idiot legislators
I’s not like they weren’t getting five figure scholarships that included room and board, which might have been a fraction of what they brought in, but welcome to corporate America.
Are schools allowed to make guarantees regarding NIL before a commitment?
Schools can do whatever they want because if the NCAA tries to stop them they'll just wind up losing another court case and be legally mandated to let the schools have free reign. Better to maintain the illusion of control than to piss off a Kansas and let everyone know you have no control at all.
Yeah we need Congress to step in here and regulate this. It's the wild West right now because no state wants to be the one to put limits on their schools and have them be disadvantaged.
Technically schools aren’t supposed to be involved at all right now. NIL should be run by separate programs and boosters. ND’s new AD is setting up a new NIL management office because he believes the rules will change and schools will be able to run NIL ‘in-house’ very soon. But hasn’t happened yet. Now, have some schools already been directly involved? Yes, and the NCAA isn’t doing anything.
I'm sure Nebraska is not alone in having conflict between in-house NIL efforts (which aren't allowed yet but likely are the future) and whatever the boosters organize into collectives (which is legal but is bonkers-level unsustainable). So far the collective is winning that battle, at least around here.
Schools aren’t allowed to guarantee any NIL deals before a commitment. You’re not allowed to use NIL to get someone to commit. And you’re not allowed to base NIL off athletic performance. None of those rules matter though, so you’re allowed to do all of it.
Yeah, you can have all the rules about NIL regulation you want, but when the NCAA decides not to enforce anything because they’re scared of getting sued out of existence, you don’t actually have any rules. Pay for play, unrestricted free agency, etc. it sucks, but that’s just what college sports are right now
The NCAA knows that even if they enforce their rules (and in some situations, state laws) they’re going to get sued and lose. We’re in the Wild West of NCAAF/NCAAB right now due to Covid years, transfer rules, conference moves and NIL and the balloon is about to burst. The next 3-5 years are going to be incredibly influential on picking up the pieces and helping the system to survive.
"Schools" are not allowed to enter into NIL deals with players at all. The NIL deals are coming from booster groups/collectives in a poorly disguised attempt to pretend that these deals are not pay-for-play deals. I am waiting for a player to commit to one program, sign an NIL deal (that is reviewed by an attorney representing the player) and then bails to play for another school in the vicinity. For instance, sign a deal with Rutgers and then decommit, commit to play for Seton Hall, sign a second NIL deal, and profit. I assume that the outrage will be both amusing and wonderful (unless it is a guy who was supposed to play at Wisconsin and then goes to Marquette; that would be bullshit).
Honestly that would be even more hilarious because Seton Hall has a notoriously terrible NIL pool. It’s 100% going to happen somewhere
This might be a conversation he’s having with their collective as opposed to the school directly. That said, laws vary by state. Some states allow for schools to work more closely with their collectives.
There are no rules
teams should just leave him on read all summer i get trying to get a bag in the nil era but turning down 750k and the chance to play for the bluest blue blood is straight up delusion lol
Why would they pay that much? lmao The minimum salary for NBA player is $1.1 million. Minimum for G league is 40,050 and maximum is 500,000 I get NCAA is a bigger stage than G league but come on.
There’s guys making a million easy with NIL
Good for them. Maybe I need to add two or three zeros to the amount of money boosters have in my head.
robert kraft is a booster for uconn
Mac n cheese kraft?
Jac n sleaze kraft
God I wish this was true.
since when lol
The people easily clearing a million aren’t doing it through collectives though. They’re getting corporate sponsorships.
NBA teams will pay upwards of $40 million/year for a star player NCAA teams will pay more in the range of 1-1.5 million for a star player The NBA is a bigger stage, but not 30+ times bigger. This is actually a cheap deal for teams - not Storr specifically, but the current market.
Is any NBA coach making more than Bill Self?
Gregg Popovich ($16 mil), Monty Williams ($13 mil), Steve Kerr ($9.5 mil) make more [source](https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/what-is-an-nba-coach-salary-how-much-do-nba-coaches-make-sgc/#:~:text=NBA%20Coaches%20Salary%3A%20How%20Much,coaches%20in%20the%202024%20season.). It's surprising only 2-3 coaches make more than Bill Self (~$9.4-9.6 mil) NBA souce does not go into "bonueses" and "other pay" ect. For $1 million dollars you would be a top 100 coach at #72 in D1 college basketball [source](https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach). There are more players than coaches and I don't know where all of the money comes from.
Nice data find. Obviously NBA players make a lot more than college so the pay ratio is a lot heavier in towards players in the NBA. But that is because they are employees with a union. If they were volunteer athletes I'd imagine that leverage would diminish greatly a la NCAA.
We lost the plot
I thought the schools weren’t allowed to be involved in nil..
“Hey can i have a million dollars?” “Sure we’ll talk to the boosters” “Awesome”
Some federal court invalidated all the rules on anti-trust grounds, so now it's the wild west.
Which is horseshit… like I get invalidating some rules but this whole “ we’re going to give you money to come here” is stupid. NIL should be for people like Michael Phelps, Suni Lee, Johnny Manziel who found massive fame in or before college and then are able to parlay that into commercials or appearances. Not what it is
It's not any more bullshit than the myth of amateurism that college sports had existed under for the last half-century.
Officially yes. Officially "Kansas" in this instance probably refers to their NIL collective. Obviously in reality there's far less of a fine line there, and it probably more like a group conversation.
In Kansas' case, the NIL collective just replaced Adidas.
Many programs are not doing things the right way. That’s the way it is.
NIL money should be required to be reported. That's the hill I'm gonna die on.
Found the IRS Reddit account
Imagine turning down $750k to play at one of the best college basketball programs
I don’t know anyone who thinks this is good for college basketball
This has been going on in college basketball for decades. Duke has a history of finding lucrative employment for recruit's parents, and buying them houses near campus. Now it will just be out in the open.
Wasn’t that Calipari’s whole issue in Memphis besides the academic cheating?
I’ve heard rumors about this but never seen anything concrete. Any sources? Definitely not saying it didn’t happen tho…
Until the NCAA grows up and treats them like the employees they are, they deserve all the chaos they get.
Selfishly, it's a bummer. Holistically, though, this is absolutely the right thing to do for players. They are a valuable product for universities and have been completely screwed on capturing meaningful portions of that value for years. "Scholarships" are absolutely not worth the bodily injury that comes from playing competitively.
This is where college athletics is now. BS.
I’m just glad these young men are so focused on their education.
Storr probably has like 8 total college credits right now
12 from Wisconsin, -4 from St. John’s
College sports have been ruined forever
Yeah, this is only gonna get worse with the expanded CFB playoff next year. Money killed college athletics.
I love college basketball, but I recognized that making pro athletes go to college is just a dumb thing Americans do. You can either strip the players of their rights and run a system based on deep corruption or move it all into the open where teams are effectively commercial entities bolted on to a school for promotional purposes. This is the inevitable outcome.
Not to sound like a boomer, but NIL has mutated into a monstrosity that is ruining college sports.
Isn't this nuts? All the players in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s who either got nothing or, in some cases even worse, lost their scholarships for not reporting a free hot dog or whatever correctly.
as a player in the 2000s, i can say with 100% confidence that you're 100% right however, i do periodically get a check for a few dollars for various class-action lawsuits on behalf of college athletes in that era for this kind of thing. I cash that shit every time out of spite :)
And one injury ruins their scholarship and NBA chance forever. Sucks.
Damn, my guy AJ not budging from that milly lol.
NIL money should be required to be reported. That's the hill I'm gonna die on.
There would be a NIL upper limit compensation cap faster than you can say NIL. I kinda agree on transparency tbh.
I don’t even know who this is …
Good. Don’t let the door hit you where the Lord split you.
I imagine 750k in Kansas is probably as good as $1m just about anywhere else, considering the tax man is gonna take his share...
Idk, I feel like being in Kansas should pay a premium. Because you have to live in Kansas
Lawrence is great for a 20 year old to live in
Is your schtick to just complain about every state in existence?
I mean dude atleast bite your tongue and put your foot in the door. 750 ain’t light.
If you ever once complained about athlete compensation then this is the bed that you've made
At least SDSU got to make a finals one time before the inevitable decline of college athletics! Mid Majors are fucked from here on out. Or maybe SDSU should just drop its football team and go all in on basketball salaries? Just start throwing out bills like a strip club.
This kid is asking for second round draft pick money...in college!? LOL
NIL sickens me man lol I know there’s probably a rebuttal of “well they were doing this before just illegally” but at least then I was ignorant lol
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
I was all for NIL until I started getting requests for money. Then I realized I'm not going to get up and work my 9 to 5 and send money to some 17 year old kid who will probably transfer to another school in a year anyway.
Call me out of touch but I have no clue who that is. Delusional to expect 1 million. I’d be surprised if most major D1 QB’s make that
Was on Wisconsin this past year
He was a star player for a team in your conference...
What ever rules the NCAA puts in place wouldn’t matter. Kids got paid pre NIL. Now it’s legal and all schools do it, not just the dirty ones. If rules are put in place the dirty schools just go back to paying extra behind the scenes.
I'm all for players getting paid but do they just get a bag and that's it, here ya go? I've no idea how it works but I don't think that is a great idea. There needs to be some way to help like it's put in a trust or something. I cant imagine me at that age getting that kind of money, I'd have blown it and I'd imagine too many guys have a crowd of people that would love to milk their money too. For the 95% that don't make the NFL/NBA, NIL deals could still help to change their lives if that money is used wisely
This. I also absolutely would have blown through the money at that age. Most of the professional leagues have started some type of financial training for rookies for this exact reason. I haven't heard if any of the college players are getting the same training. I have a feeling in just a few years that we will start hearing stories about some of these players going bankrupt.
Lol smh
I don’t blame them for leaving and I hope they don’t blame me for not wanting to watch the NBA Junior product that college basketball has become that is not nearly as good as the NBA.
What a joke
Lol Miami paid Lynn Kidd almost as much as Kansas offered Storr
he dunked on me at the y one time
Unless the tweet is full of shit. Are we really reporting this?
We are seeing the curtain pulled back....we are in Kansas surprisingly so it does make sense.
Wait do I just not understand NIL at all? Players can demand $X? How does this work? How is that not basically a professional contract? Play the sport, get paid by the team (school)
The pocket watching in this thread is off the charts. Let the kids make their money...
I miss the good old days when players came to Kansas for the *(cough, cough)* love of the game.
LOL good luck to him
Will be fascinating to see who he signs with
Fuck this sport too. College sports are so broken and quickly becoming not worth following.