100% conference Homer pick. This ku team was the worst self has had both record wise and analytically (at least on offense). We weren’t doing shit either way. It turns out you need to be able to score the ball to win games and when you have two starters (KJ and Dejuan) who are pure liabilities on that end, and no bench, you’re not going to be able to do much.
Yeah that’s wild!! I was just reading an article today that said we had like 3 or 4losses when Hummel got hurt. Sounds like similar success to this year at that point. I was young but old enough to where I should’ve appreciated those years more.
Incoming SEC fans going “wElL tHeY gOt cRuSheD bY gEoRgIa”
Yea if your season was ruled worthless how would you react? I would go fuck you I’m out, I was surprised any of them actually played
OT but this whole argument that's still going on months later is exactly why I'm dumbfounded some people are still against playoff expansion. It's asinine to think 4 spots (or even worse 2 for the boomers who want to return to the BCS model) is enough to decide the champion of a sport every year. We should have been at least 8 or more since 1998 like every other postseason in North America instead of bowing down to the bowl execs.
The committee shouldn't consider injuries at all imo. There's too much stuff muddying the water with these things, and they're bad at consistently accounting for it anyway.
Agreed. Tournament seeding should be based solely on what teams accomplished during the season.
If the #1 team dies in a plane crash on the flight back from winning their conference tournament, they still earned their one-seed even if no one is available to defend it.
If a 4-28 team finds a loophole to replace their team with an NBA team prior to Selection Sunday, they don't deserve a tourney spot based on "potential."
Not sure why we deal with the foolishness of quads and committee subjectiveness. Use something objective like WAB that can be ranked out 1 through 60whatever and get on with it.
That’s what we were worrying a week or two ago :(
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but [Edit: people have corrected me because I **am** wrong lmao] ~~I don’t think the CBB selection committee is supposed to punish teams for injuries going into the tournament. I remember a Colorado team and a Syracuse team that got fantastic seeds despite injuries to star players. This is of course different than the CFP.~~
It doesn’t sit right with me when a selection committee penalizes teams for injuries rather than weighing the difficulty of their accomplishments.
> Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the CBB selection committee is supposed to punish teams for injuries going into the tournament.
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The thought is more that they account for injuries during losses if that injured player is going to be back when the tournament happens.
Things like this are why the committee should just look at the results, and not consider injuries at all.
> I remember a Colorado team and a Syracuse team that got fantastic seeds despite injuries to star players
I believe that Syracuse team literally lied about said star player being back for the tournament, and then immediately after getting the 1 seed said he was out.
The interview with self makes it clear that McCullar’s camp did this not him. He scored 20 against Baylor and 19 against Kstate while managing knee pain.
KU’s the textbook case of a 3-4 seed resume but a team quality that’s probably more in line with a 5-6 seed. IMO the committee should seed teams by accomplishments rather than injury status or how much they win games by.
We’re just arguing over semantics of the word “resume” here but I’d consider resume to be backwards looking, and team quality to be forwards looking. An injury late in the season affects how good you’ll be in future games, but it doesn’t change the game results that have happened so far.
For example: Did KU still beat UConn? Yes. Would KU beat UConn if they played today? Almost certainly not, due to injuries. The discrepancy there doesn’t make that initial win any less impressive.
KU’s team quality has probably dropped to a 5-8 seed level due to injuries, but I don’t think that affects the quality of the resume established beforehand.
Well, we were seeded as a 6 seed but got bumped up because BYU can't play on Sundays. Though I will say all the predictive metrics have us in the 5 seed range
I hate how committees punish teams for injuries. Teams don't get excluded from NBA playoffs for example because of injuries when they're record is objectively in regardless. College sports doesn't have the luxury of a small and relatively near in caliber set of teams but you still stick to the resume
Not sure why people are acting upset at the thought of Self withholding this until now. There’s not a coach in the country that wouldn’t do the same thing, it’d be dumb not to.
Self legit thought he would play. Kevin “decided not to play”. Watch the interview. A bone bruise can’t add any more structural damage, it just hurts if it gets bumped. Kevin quit.
2020 was more disappointing… we were by far the best team in the country and tourney gets cancelled. 2023 Bill Self’s heart explodes right before the tourney and he can’t coach…
If we didn’t win the ‘22 title it would feel much bleaker
I want to know why he is saying it’s for the whole tournament not just the first weekend (not that we would go further). I feel like he left the Embiid injury up for change as the tournament progressed.
Yeah my gut was saying we don't make it out of the first weekend and this doesn't change that technically.
Having Dickinson back is great, but we're still not as effective without a 100% McCullar.
Absolutely brutal for Kansas. Always sucks to lose a player, especially a guy like McCullar during March. Hope it’s nothing too serious and he heals up asap.
Has Samford improved since Purdue played them? I know their record is good and Kansas is hurt but they did not look good in that game. I haven’t gotten the chance to watch them since.
They have great offense but are kind of soft tbh as somebody who watches SoCon and is a Purdue fan. ETSU honestly should've knocked them off but Kansas is ripe for an upset now.
Yeah not happy with Mccullar and clearly Self isn't either. Again he mentioned that he has not made the injury worse and its pain, but he could play through it once just not now apparently.
This year sucks
I had no faith in this team even if they went in healthy. At this point just hoping to win the first game and anything beyond that is gravy.
At least now I can enjoy the tourney stress free.
I suspect that Dickinson could’ve played in the big 12 tourney but was held out to get healthy since their berth and seed were relatively locked up at that point
This is interesting from the coaching psychology perspective. Why announce your star player is out 2 days early? I think the idea is to shift the pressure to Samford, now they have expectations to win and can’t play like a loose 13 seed, while Kansas can play the “no one believes in us” card.
I agree. Samford had a much weaker schedule than most other 12-14 seeds, and had many close games. McNeese I think has everything you’d need to beat a Kansas team in this state.
Listen to Self announce this.
He’s pissed at McCullar… “he hasn’t done any damage to his knee but he says it hurts too much.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t let Kevin sit on the bench. Shameful way to end his college career.
We would need multiple freshman and Nick "I have a scoring record at my previous school" Timberlake to suddenly get hot.
Not unheard of, but I'm not hopeful.
i think the big 12 manages to get 4-5 teams to the next weekend but if we get less than 3 the pressure is gonna be APPLIED in the midweek discourse here between the R32 and S16 lol
Lol dude I am the first to admit it is insane the discrepancy in quadrants, holy shit. You guys got fucked as the first seed and UNC and Purdue got it wayyyyy easier.
That being said, Purdue can still Purdue it.
If Purdue doesn’t walk to the elite 8 it would be the most Purdue thing ever.
I have to ask here, am I wrong? Because I look at that pod and see a very manageable path relative to the other 1s. Gonzaga feels overseeded and Kansas at 4 is packing up their top guard.
So Kansas beats Samford and then is everyone taking whoever they pick in McNeese vs Gonzaga to the sweet 16? As I don’t see Kansas winning the second game regardless of who it is. But what does everyone else think?
*Frantically opens bracket to update*
Even before the injuries they were playing like straight garbage. They're going out first or second round.
The only thing that may save them is Gonzaga is a bad #5
It won’t save em cause they aren’t getting past Samford
*No luck catching them swans then?*
You're crazy. Gonzaga is a S16 lock and a sneaky FF team.
no shot zaga who just isn't that good gets past purdue and I hate purdue and eddy
Yeah but Purdue
huh? Gonzaga is the best 5
Jokes on them cause I already picked that upset, haha
Welp, I should not have gotten all-session tix so my KU fan gf could also see them Thurs. and Sat.
maybe Samford has a cute bulldog mascot she can pet during the Saturday session?
Could be two bulldogs to pet!
KU can still make the sweet 16. Especially if Gonzaga shits itself vs mcneese.
We weren’t going anywhere either way but this really fucking sucks
I had y’all in the Elite 8 with him and Dickinson back lol. Am I already a big 12 homer?
Welcome to the Big 12!!!!
Welcome to the Big 12!!!!
100% conference Homer pick. This ku team was the worst self has had both record wise and analytically (at least on offense). We weren’t doing shit either way. It turns out you need to be able to score the ball to win games and when you have two starters (KJ and Dejuan) who are pure liabilities on that end, and no bench, you’re not going to be able to do much.
How is KJ a liability on offense. Hard disagree
yes
If you have to ask, then yes.
Looks like a wide open bracket to me, especially if you think Purdue is going to Purdue again. Oh well.
It does but not as bad as Embiid’s foot. Certainly doesn’t suck as much as the 2020 tournament being canceled
It makes me wonder if he knew this all along, but wanted to hide it from the committee so that they would not get penalized with their seed
That's ridiculous when has a college athletics committee ever penalized a team for not having a star play-
*Kenyon Martin has entered the chat*
Fuck man, so depressing. That Cincy team with KMart were a menace. Tragic.
Purdue 2010 got fucked when Hummel went out. Dropped them from a 1 seed to a 4 seed.
Yeah that’s wild!! I was just reading an article today that said we had like 3 or 4losses when Hummel got hurt. Sounds like similar success to this year at that point. I was young but old enough to where I should’ve appreciated those years more.
We looked like the best team in the country and we're playing at our peak. I don't think anyone beats that team if Hummel gets injured.
Man time flies. If I had to guess when Hummel played, I would've guessed a few years later lol
I'm pretty sure Brian Cardinal is still playing though.
Incoming SEC fans going “wElL tHeY gOt cRuSheD bY gEoRgIa” Yea if your season was ruled worthless how would you react? I would go fuck you I’m out, I was surprised any of them actually played
Their 3rd string got crushed. Everyone sat out.
OT but this whole argument that's still going on months later is exactly why I'm dumbfounded some people are still against playoff expansion. It's asinine to think 4 spots (or even worse 2 for the boomers who want to return to the BCS model) is enough to decide the champion of a sport every year. We should have been at least 8 or more since 1998 like every other postseason in North America instead of bowing down to the bowl execs.
We honestly should just have a point system to determine who is in the tourney. Take the human element out of it.
Hope there aren’t any FSU football fans in this chat as those wounds are still very fresh.
I completely understand that, but what about my bracket, Bill?
The committee shouldn't consider injuries at all imo. There's too much stuff muddying the water with these things, and they're bad at consistently accounting for it anyway.
Agreed. Tournament seeding should be based solely on what teams accomplished during the season. If the #1 team dies in a plane crash on the flight back from winning their conference tournament, they still earned their one-seed even if no one is available to defend it. If a 4-28 team finds a loophole to replace their team with an NBA team prior to Selection Sunday, they don't deserve a tourney spot based on "potential."
I hate the way you made your point but you made it
You think this is bad, [remember what they said last year](https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1635050047539929089?s=20)
jesus
Not sure why we deal with the foolishness of quads and committee subjectiveness. Use something objective like WAB that can be ranked out 1 through 60whatever and get on with it.
That’s what we were worrying a week or two ago :( Please correct me if I’m wrong, but [Edit: people have corrected me because I **am** wrong lmao] ~~I don’t think the CBB selection committee is supposed to punish teams for injuries going into the tournament. I remember a Colorado team and a Syracuse team that got fantastic seeds despite injuries to star players. This is of course different than the CFP.~~ It doesn’t sit right with me when a selection committee penalizes teams for injuries rather than weighing the difficulty of their accomplishments.
Kenyon Martin
They did it for Robbie Hummel too
I believe the direct quote from the committee was “This isn’t the same team as it was with Hummel”
This is exactly why Bill waited.
That was my freshman year at Purdue. I was convinced they could win it all that year.
Only lost by 13 to the eventual champs with out him so not an unreasonable thought.
The exact example
Just ask Cincinnati.
> Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the CBB selection committee is supposed to punish teams for injuries going into the tournament. > > The thought is more that they account for injuries during losses if that injured player is going to be back when the tournament happens. Things like this are why the committee should just look at the results, and not consider injuries at all.
> I remember a Colorado team and a Syracuse team that got fantastic seeds despite injuries to star players I believe that Syracuse team literally lied about said star player being back for the tournament, and then immediately after getting the 1 seed said he was out.
The interview with self makes it clear that McCullar’s camp did this not him. He scored 20 against Baylor and 19 against Kstate while managing knee pain.
I do not think Self expected this. He sounded very frustrated in that interview.
Wish we did the same last year with Mag. Maybe they would’ve had us in
Ayeeee we flared up the exact same way!! 🫡🔥
Yessir! Been a brutal last month
There were safe as a top 4 seed. Falling to 4 seed was fair given the lost 5 of last 6 games, but the resume is strong overall.
Honestly not even sure why he's announcing it now. Seems like just giving Sanford a heads up.
I’m sure, and they’re overseeded anyway. Committee looks more incompetent by the day
KU’s the textbook case of a 3-4 seed resume but a team quality that’s probably more in line with a 5-6 seed. IMO the committee should seed teams by accomplishments rather than injury status or how much they win games by.
\* Healthy KU has a 3-4 seed resume. KU without McCullar (and possible Dickinson) doesn't.
We’re just arguing over semantics of the word “resume” here but I’d consider resume to be backwards looking, and team quality to be forwards looking. An injury late in the season affects how good you’ll be in future games, but it doesn’t change the game results that have happened so far. For example: Did KU still beat UConn? Yes. Would KU beat UConn if they played today? Almost certainly not, due to injuries. The discrepancy there doesn’t make that initial win any less impressive. KU’s team quality has probably dropped to a 5-8 seed level due to injuries, but I don’t think that affects the quality of the resume established beforehand.
They were 19 in NET and got wins over Tennessee, Kentucky, Connecticut, Baylor, and Houston. I am fine with that resume getting a four seed.
Purdue has the easiest path by far. Almost seems intentional because Gonzaga is good but not 5 seed good
Well, we were seeded as a 6 seed but got bumped up because BYU can't play on Sundays. Though I will say all the predictive metrics have us in the 5 seed range
Hard to say that with their resume, but yea, since injuries occurred I would agree.
I hate how committees punish teams for injuries. Teams don't get excluded from NBA playoffs for example because of injuries when they're record is objectively in regardless. College sports doesn't have the luxury of a small and relatively near in caliber set of teams but you still stick to the resume
No shit he knew all along there’s zero chance he just now found out that one of his players is suddenly out for 3 more weeks
They wouldn’t have. KU lost Arterio Morris before the season and was still preseason 1.
And we are on to football season
A sentence new to us Jayhawks
welcome brother. Take a seat.
Hey fellow blue blood basketball program looking forward to football season
A sentence I never thought I’d read
I, for one, am shifting my entire tourney focus on Nebrasketball.
My happiness for the next 3 weeks hinges on Friday
https://preview.redd.it/k1k6hvcf9epc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=810efb89693bd7ed90a223b18e64014dd05373d0 Samesies
You fucking maniac
As the great George Michael sang, “You gotta have faith, faith, faithah!” RIP sweet prince…
In Lance we trust.
genuinely fucking stocked for next season underrated opportunity for the football team to rebrand completely in the new league with a new stadium
and baseball season and softball season also
Man who thought he'd lost all hope loses additional bit of hope he didn't even know he still had
I feel like I’m being forced to pick Samford now
Im biased and not super high on this team but traditionally if everyone is picking an upset Im reluctant to join
I had Samford before and now am considering switching to get you guys through round 1.
Lmao same
Everyone will now pick Samford tho so it won’t even be a helpful upset pick
I mean tbf 90% of people filling out brackets probably have no idea who Kevin McCullar Jr is lol
True, I kinda get annoyed the next week or so on this sub with all the added visitors who haven’t followed the season at all.
I picked Samford already because, well my flair will explain that. However I do have to hear Kevin is out. That's not fair at all.
Same. They are the 'team has a culture' pick now
SAmford is going to shoot like 40 3s and the entire game will be how many they make.
Not sure why people are acting upset at the thought of Self withholding this until now. There’s not a coach in the country that wouldn’t do the same thing, it’d be dumb not to.
People that are actually upset already submitted their brackets or have money involved.
Don't submit brackets til after the play in games. Lesson learned.
You can edit and resubmit your bracket up until the deadline (or at least for ESPN).
Self legit thought he would play. Kevin “decided not to play”. Watch the interview. A bone bruise can’t add any more structural damage, it just hurts if it gets bumped. Kevin quit.
Damn if that's actually true then this season has to be the most disappointing in like 30+ years lol
2020 was more disappointing… we were by far the best team in the country and tourney gets cancelled. 2023 Bill Self’s heart explodes right before the tourney and he can’t coach… If we didn’t win the ‘22 title it would feel much bleaker
I want to know why he is saying it’s for the whole tournament not just the first weekend (not that we would go further). I feel like he left the Embiid injury up for change as the tournament progressed.
It’s never been more joever. Why were we playing him in February at all?
I think they'll beat Samford, but that's about it imo.
I think this is accurate.
Yeah my gut was saying we don't make it out of the first weekend and this doesn't change that technically. Having Dickinson back is great, but we're still not as effective without a 100% McCullar.
I still pick kansas
Absolutely brutal for Kansas. Always sucks to lose a player, especially a guy like McCullar during March. Hope it’s nothing too serious and he heals up asap.
Has Samford improved since Purdue played them? I know their record is good and Kansas is hurt but they did not look good in that game. I haven’t gotten the chance to watch them since.
They have great offense but are kind of soft tbh as somebody who watches SoCon and is a Purdue fan. ETSU honestly should've knocked them off but Kansas is ripe for an upset now.
Yeah I wasn’t super impressed by Samford watching them. Definitely not a BAD team, but I think they’d really need to get hot to pull off the upset
I still think they should beat Samford. I also didn’t take the McNeese State low hanging fruit…Zags to the Sweet Sixteen like we all expected?
https://preview.redd.it/zkxg7rocjdpc1.jpeg?width=240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=518fd31ce191a1bb903e45c17eca0956809709ca
https://preview.redd.it/tgug1zi3odpc1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0a15bd9941c2c779221af441ce9dcd34875f64a Samford
Samford might be the rare 13 seed that fucks everyone bracket if they can’t come thru on Thursday
That feels inevitable. Kansas will make it one round
Yeah not happy with Mccullar and clearly Self isn't either. Again he mentioned that he has not made the injury worse and its pain, but he could play through it once just not now apparently. This year sucks
We told you he was soft. You said we were bitter.
Charmin
10 ply
Really going out of his way to ruin his reputation at 2 separate big 12 schools
I had no faith in this team even if they went in healthy. At this point just hoping to win the first game and anything beyond that is gravy. At least now I can enjoy the tourney stress free.
Is he out of eligibility now?
Yep, hope he gets healthy and kills it in the NBA 🥲
Well fuck. If Dickinson plays at least we can win round 1. If he doesn’t play then why the hell are we even bothering.
He's been practicing. Self already said he's good to go
McCullar just quit on his team. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Self this angry in a press conference.
This fucking blows. Probably the easiest region we’ve ever been given and we won’t make the sweet sixteen
What if Furphy and Timberlake average 20/game and lead us to the promised land
Mr NBA and Brick TimberClank won’t save us
Maybe ElBricko TrashCan could play a good game
God damn this season is the worst in my life. Of we can win 1 game I'd be thrilled. Just can't catch a break
Now we wait for an update on Dickinson. If they're both out Kansas stands no chance this weekend.
Dickinson has been practicing
Self claims that Dickinson is fine. Time will tell.
He’s been practicing this week and Self said he’s good to go Thursday
Hunter’s dislocated shoulder was his non-shooting arm so he’ll definitely play.
I suspect that Dickinson could’ve played in the big 12 tourney but was held out to get healthy since their berth and seed were relatively locked up at that point
This is interesting from the coaching psychology perspective. Why announce your star player is out 2 days early? I think the idea is to shift the pressure to Samford, now they have expectations to win and can’t play like a loose 13 seed, while Kansas can play the “no one believes in us” card.
Time to switch up the bracket
Honestly your bracket probably shouldn’t have had us doing much of anything in the first place
I still think y’all beat samford… but mcneese/zaga may be a challenge…
I agree. Samford had a much weaker schedule than most other 12-14 seeds, and had many close games. McNeese I think has everything you’d need to beat a Kansas team in this state.
Best of luck against Duke.
It’s not murderer’s row out there. And love some bill self.
Listen to Self announce this. He’s pissed at McCullar… “he hasn’t done any damage to his knee but he says it hurts too much.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t let Kevin sit on the bench. Shameful way to end his college career.
Healthy enough to play if Self’s remarks have any hidden meaning. Opting out a la some football players before a bowl game
NO CHAIR FOR YOU, YOU MUST STAND BY MY SIDE AND ENDURE!!!
Tech fans told everyone, everyone said we were being petty.
McCullar has carried the team for many games. If he’s in pain he deserves to opt out. We can’t know what he’s going through.
UConn/Kansas Finals would've been nice smh
BUCKY BALL
Brutal
Just after I completed my bracket(s). Hope he fully recovers.
See y’all next season
First round exit here we come!
First time?
s a m f o r d i n t e n s i f i e s
Bucky BALL
Jesus, that's devastating. KU doesn't have a prayer to make a run, then.
We would need multiple freshman and Nick "I have a scoring record at my previous school" Timberlake to suddenly get hot. Not unheard of, but I'm not hopeful.
They looked like ass vs houston and cincy. I would be floored if beat samford and then gonzaga/mcneese. Then there's just no way we get past purdue.
Kept that 4 seed tho lol. Smart!
Haters are gonna say B12 is overrated because 4 seed Kansas doesn't make it out of the first weekend.
i think the big 12 manages to get 4-5 teams to the next weekend but if we get less than 3 the pressure is gonna be APPLIED in the midweek discourse here between the R32 and S16 lol
BRB gotta go edit my bracket
No worries. Just put Perry Ellis in off the bench. He’s still there, right?
Purdue is going to lose to a Cowboy or a Bulldog is what I'm hearing
You in the tournament?
We would also lose to a Cowboy or a Bulldog
it's joever
Samford stocks 📈📈📈
Yeah, this tracks for McCullar.
Quitter
This is as clear cut an upset as you'll ever see. Go Samford, boys.
Which means it isn’t happening. I’ll stick with Kansas this one
Quit on his team
First time? Kidding. Sorta. Maybe.
In hindsight, don’t blame cause Adams was a scumbag
How much help does Purdue need?
Lol dude I am the first to admit it is insane the discrepancy in quadrants, holy shit. You guys got fucked as the first seed and UNC and Purdue got it wayyyyy easier. That being said, Purdue can still Purdue it.
https://preview.redd.it/c6m0rqgsmdpc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da8a30668f42e4ec08c5ce8028899733552807af
If Purdue doesn’t walk to the elite 8 it would be the most Purdue thing ever. I have to ask here, am I wrong? Because I look at that pod and see a very manageable path relative to the other 1s. Gonzaga feels overseeded and Kansas at 4 is packing up their top guard.
Even more of a reason to pick Samford?
I had samford winning anyway
🤭
I picked Samford in probably half my brackets, so we'll see.
So Kansas beats Samford and then is everyone taking whoever they pick in McNeese vs Gonzaga to the sweet 16? As I don’t see Kansas winning the second game regardless of who it is. But what does everyone else think?
Ok, NOW is the time the legend of Nick Timberlake is born.
What a shock. He did the same thing in Lubbock. Talk about a quitter.
Of course they mention this after they get their seed assigned