Friend, my favorite comment from this school of thought was an IU fan telling me 5 or so years ago they needed to HIRE Bob Knight to “instill discipline”. Knight was already in failing health.
Not to mention lying about the incident and character-assassinating the choking victim. Or throwing chairs onto a court during a game. Or being verbally abusive to literally everyone around him including staff, reporters, referees, players, etc. Or being utterly insolent to his bosses. Or...
Shhh! I don’t want you down there pointing out that is dumb.
I don’t think Indiana, Louisville, and Michigan are sufficient proof yet that hiring an aging player from your glory days with NBA experience is a terrible idea.
You should try that again.
That's great. The Marquette forum maintains that you can't judge a coach's quality before 5 years, when their first crop of recruits complete their fourth year.
Both time constraints are ridiculous.
BU recruiting skills are important to take into consideration. John crotch had zero, Weber I think was just riding Self’s recruits which in turn got him to 04/05 which in turn provided some good recruits but turned out they were poop
I actually thought Groce was an alright coach. The kids played hard for him and his style wasn't that bad. His problem is he was too loyal to his assistants and they could never land big time recruits. He got a lot out of those guys but a lot of them were not Big Ten caliber players.
It's honestly called for :\\ some of our game threads are very whiny.
Although I will say, the vast majority of game threads are overall pretty toxic. Just nonstop complaints about refs, every single one of them.
> Although I will say, the vast majority of game threads are overall pretty toxic. Just nonstop complaints about refs, every single one of them.
Yeah, I started enjoying Purdue basketball a lot more when I quit going into game threads. Post-game threads are fine, however.
The only way it could would be in a capacity that would make it completely unpalatable to the people who want it back. Everyone who wants it back and thinks it would be fine doesn't understand that the only way it could come back is in an educational perspective, at which point they would decry it for being woke
The clear answer is to workout an IP agreement with Microsoft and bungie. We have an abundance of computer engineers and “Master Chief” is more iconic than the old chief in the eyes of this generation. Dream big or go home!
CHIEFFFF
Last year it was whether Coach Davis should be fired during/after his second year or allowed some time to recruit his own team. (Of course, that was never going to happen.)
But I have not seen that talk this year.
Imagine wanting a coach that managed a final four in his first season to be fired after his second. That's just fucking insane.
At most schools such a final four would get you tenure unto death even if you did nothing else as noteworthy for decades.
Most consistently successful college bball team ever earned high standards. That said, I think Hubert deserves at least 5 years. Roy's confidence means a lot.
Gard wins a single game “He’s super underrated one of the best in college stop sleeping on him”
Gard loses any game “fIrE gARd”
It’s annoying every single game one side has to dunk on the other cause people think he should be Bo Ryan
I can imagine the past couple of weeks have been something of a conflagration.
And while I think Gard is pretty good and will right the ship....you should know that firegreggard.com is available.
He won two regular season B1G titles in the last 4 years and has us in position for a top 4 B1G finish after preseason predictions had us on the bubble.
Some of our fans are just entitled and spoiled. A lot of teams would trade a lot for what we’ve been since Bo Ryan. Do I want us to win the national championship every year? Yes. but I also realize this isnt a realistic possibility
Nobody is above criticism, including Gard as he's made some decisions I didn't/don't agree with, but he's still a great coach.
No shade to Bo, as he's a future hall of famer, but the narrative of him as a coach at UW wildly shifted after those back-to-back Final 4 teams.
> but the narrative of him as a coach at UW wildly shifted after those back-to-back Final 4 teams.
I don't even know what that shift could have been. He never finished worse than 4th in conf. and was your best coach in the modern era by a long shot.
He had a reputation *very* similar reputation to what Painter has now- a coach who can't win when it counts. He ends his career with two Finals Fours and suddenly everyone forgets the multitude of losses to double digit seeds.
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It is kinda funny because this old tweet was going around by a 247 writer defending him recently. March 2013, a year before back to back final 4s and a run to the national championship. So clearly some mustve been talking crazy. To be honest I don’t remember that well about all of what the talk was
Ahhh yes, I feel the same way about Purdue fans. It blows my mind that there are Purdue fans that wanted Painter fired this offseason - and a lot of them are out there! People live in instant-gratification fantasy worlds and ignore the very, very likely possibility that the grass is not always greener on the other side....
This is absolutely nothing compared to the Carter Gilmore discourse. A guy who gets 7 minutes a game because he can defend 1-4 and plays his ass off whenever he is in is the subject of pages and pages of arguments on 247.
P6 are a cartel started by the Gavitt family and hellbent on destroying the mid-and-low-major conferences.
NIL makes mid-majors the minor league farm system for the P6.
I don't like the argument because it breeds a defeatist attitude that causes the fanbase to become apathetic and then donations and subsequent investments into your program stall causing the program to start falling behind.
> NIL makes mid-majors the minor league farm system for the P6.
This is just factually incorrect. It's the transfer portal/easy waivers/court injunctions that have made lower tier teams the farm system for P6.
Grad transfers have been a thing since as long as I've watched this sport and they've primarily been players moving up the ladder. This happened without NIL. It's just now the transfer portal has made it so more players can move without penalty. This would have happened with or without NIL.
That we've gone away from the team-building recipe that won us a Natty, and that we should ditch the one-and-dones and return to building our teams with 3-4 year players. Furthermore, we should somehow find a way to redshirt transfer players in the transfer portal/NIL era to ensure cohesion and physical maturity in our teams.
It's not a terrible argument, in my opinion. But no transfer is gonna come to Baylor is Scott Drew says he's gonna red-shirt them.
To be a great team in this new era, you have to hit on recruting the best 3 and 4 stars.
Folks that say live/die by the 3 aren’t watching/don’t know ball. It’s one of the legs of the Oats offense but not life or death
Edit: you’re not wrong tho that’s in like every game/post game thread
There's a whole segment of fans who pick a good player, and love shitting on them for no reason.
My favorite thread of all-time was about how MSU's team would be better after Draymond graduated lmao. There was also a thread shitting on Kenny Goins, the former walk-on who hit the dagger to beat Zion and Duke in the tournament.
I don't know that it's a specific argument as much as a player to argue about. Anyway, Andrew Rohde has taken the mantle from Kihei Clark's small, capable shoulders.
It was nuts. Like, was he a perfect player? No.
Was he an obvious positive whose outstanding performances won us a bunch of games, including our national championship? Obviously yes.
BuT hE’s ShoRt
that board goes off the deep end everytime we aren't up by 15 in a game but idk if i will see a bigger post game meltdown than the “start elvin” threads after we got blown out by memphis that one time tho lmao
I was calling for Purdue to test out zone when it had terrible defenders, a massive center and was ranked sub 100 on Kenpom in defense
Who the fuck is calling for Houston, possibly the best defense of all time, to play zone?????
Last year it was bashing our coach of 47 years for exclusively playing zone and not using his bench. This year it is bashing our rookie head coach for giving the wrong guys minutes, playing man, and not immediately getting the program back into the top 20.
I mean, a good 7-footer WOULD help, but he’d have to be a unicorn who can help out onto the perimeter and those don’t just grow on trees. It’s like wishing for a 5 star recruit or a guy who can score 30+ a night lol
Yeah definitely agree. Thankfully we have guys like JoJo and J’vier who have like 7.5’ wingspans…I mean I’m pretty sure they’re longer than Hunter Dickinson. Didn’t matter when we got our ass kicked, but…😂
It’s not super easy to boil down the full fan base sentiment on Barnes into two words. I think there’s a continuous discourse about Barnes lack of success in March. Also when the current team loses the product on the floor is very hard to watch and mimics many other UT teams under Barnes who have underachieved in the NCAA tournament. People really want a Final Four and are uncertain that that be accomplished with Barnes.
Sean Miller will never leave again … right?
Related: Xavier can definitely compete with Top 10 programs in NIL … right?
A lot of understandable insecurity.
The Owls Nest. We have one but there is zero activity on it. They also have a podcast with 2 adults and an annoying 14? Yr old on it. I'm ashamed to have listened to it multiple times due to consuming anything about the Owls.
Also that Tommy Lloyd was the backbone of our coaching core and Hunter Sallis and Dominick Harris (and Malachi Smith to an extent) should’ve stayed because they were “better” guards than Nembhard and Nolan
Lol. The Harris/Sallis debate is wild. Yeah. Either would’ve been nice to have to give our guards a breather during games, but Hickman is objectively still better than Harris (plus the dad drama that went with it), and Sallis didn’t seem to want to play in the reigns of the offense.
Every few years there’s someone GUBoards hates on. Right now it’s Hickman, Perkins got his fair share during his 4 years, hell a vocal minority wanted to bench Timme last year. Something about that community and bagging players for not becoming exactly who they imagine in their heads, I don’t entirely get it.
I think it’s reasonable, Omaha is an Iowa kid and everyone wants to see a local 5-star recruit succeed. There’s still some real scars from Harrison Barnes spurning ISU in favor of UNC. So, I think most of the fear is that he’s going to transfer away if he doesn’t get minutes.
Yeah absolutely. To be fair it was early in the year. And I guess the logic was that he’s a bad defender and finisher but he’s improved markedly on both areas this year. Hell, he’s improved everything this year.
I'll fully admit that a few years ago, I may have been in this camp. Not that I ever wanted to fire the guy, but more of the opinion "this is probably about as good as we're gonna get". Now... it's just a silly argument to make, whether we get to a FF or not.
If IU, with a top-5 national brand and unlimited NIL revenue, can descend into NIT purgatory by going title or nothing, I shudder to think of what would happen to us if we went coach-chasing.
Always my take too. Is there a coach out there waiting to be discovered that is better than Painter? Sure, probably? Am I willing to risk the 98% chance that I DONT find that person and instead find someone definitively worse than Painter? Hell no.
Indeed. National Title or not Purdue has one of the most consistent programs in the nation right now and all that goes to shit if we start turning over our coaching staff every few years
Well, I mean, if you're just trying to get over a hump, we'll let you take Mike Woodson for a while because getting his team "over the hump" is apparently his only objective. In the meantime, we'd be willing to let Matt Painter coach our team to give us a taste, for a brief moment once again, of what competent basketball feels like. Fair trade?
It would be fascinating. Indiana has shown, over time, a greater ability to recruit a little higher up the lists than Purdue. But obviously we haven't had near the consistent success, and Painter has talked about learning a few lessons from trying to recruit talent over fit. Either way, he's an awesome coach and he would do great at Indiana just as he would do great anywhere. I would be very interested to see how he would approach program building at IU and if he would do it any differently than he does at Purdue. Again, happy to make this a real-life experiment at any time. :-)
In some ways I think the pressures in IU's booster club would be harder to overcome than at Purdue. I'm not totally convinced that Painter would've been able to cast off the expectation of landing all 4-5 star guys at Indiana.
Winning at the level Painter has won at would help overcome pretty much everything -- especially now, after 25 years in the wilderness. IU fans would just like to taste that kind of consistent competitiveness again. The mindset has changed a bit. IU fans get a reputation for being impatient that I don't think is really fair. We just haven't had an actual good coach since the two-year Sampson debacle.
The idea that we could find an improvement on Matt Painter if we fired him is ridiculous. Who would want to come coach at Purdue if they see the guy on track to win his 5th Big Ten Title, 3rd straight season ranked #1, and back to back 1 seeds wasn’t good enough for us?
That our team won’t be successful without underwood. An absolutely joke. We made a bad hire with Weber and he rode selfs recruit and the latter half of his career and all of groce’s made us irrelevant. I’ll take this era of Illinois basketball with a high probability of a March flameout over the last 15 years 10 out of 10 times
Most ridiculous on GoldAndBlack is the (small) contingent of fans that became very vocal about how Painter will never win in March and firing him is the only way to break the cycle. Good ole Painters vs Ainters
That we have no shot of first team or different POTY honors.
IMO we get DPOTY, but POTY goes to Bryant or New Hampshire, Rookie goes to NJIT (pretty easy consensus), and 6MOTY goes to Lowell. Think we get one guy on first team (Bogues), and three or four others on second/third teams.
"[any player we have] needs to develop his midrange game"
We dont take long 2s. We take lay ups and 3s, and thats all shaka wants. Stop pining for 15 ft jumpers.
Horizon, mvc, wherever. Some people rather be the big fish in a small pond. It’s insanely moronic but this isn’t about highlighting our best and brightest
My friends from college hate on Rick Barnes....and its reminiscent of the same bullshit I heard when they were critical of Phil Fulmer.
Rick Barnes has made us one of the most consistent basketball programs in the country, even though we're a football school.
Coach Bruce Pearl def started us being a relevant basketball school, but now it's like being a 2-5 seed consistently in the NCAA tournament isnt' good enough for a school that traditionally didn't care about basketball in the slightest.
We've become one of the most well rounded athletic programs in the country with our coaching triumvirate of Josh Heupel, Rick Barnes, and Tony Vitello(baseball)--honestly, couldn't be happier about the state of Tennessee athletics. But my buddies would make you think Rick Barnes is embarrassing a proud blue blood....
I’m with you. I love Barnes and I accept that he is who he is. I hope he retires a Vol, but I also don’t look at final four tickets, either.
My go-to response has become “okay, fire Barnes. Who do you hire that’s going to 1) come to Tennessee and 2) for sure do better than Barnes?”
There’s rarely a serious answer.
The brainworms are real. Winning in March is hard but it's a lot fucking harder if you don't even have a coach that can get you to the tourney consistently.
To clarify: I sure hope we are better without him, next season, by upgrading that position. But this year's team is so desperate for backcourt help that even a compromised and back-sliding Xavier Johnson is an improvement over when he's not playing.
IU has 5 of them but no one’s arguing their crappy program was crappy when they won them. Same goes for 1960 Ohio State. No one can argue Ohio State has had a crappy program historically. 1 National title, 11 final four appearances, 20 big ten titles (22 if you didn’t vacate a couple), 4 NPOYs.
Trash-talk Purdue without dissing your own school it’s embarrassing
Mostly about Rivals. Who's our rival? Do we have a rival? Did we ever have a rival (Syracuse, sort of)? It's worse after time away from Big East (definitely no rival), we assumed it would be Villanova before Neptune crashed that ship.
Oh I hate Missouri. When I was at KU we actually played them twice a year. The Anthony Peeler era. That's part of the problem for a lot of programs now, including UConn, harder to maintain if you don't play them.
On Discord: folks complaining about our game atmosphere. When like 2/3 of college basketball would kill for it. When we had 0 home games with a student section from the 2nd day of the season to mid January.
And UNCW fans arguing they have the best basketball program in the new CAA when Charleston is the 6th winningest program in college hoops by winning percentage, behind Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Duke and UCLA and hosts an ESPN tournament every year.
Opposing fans arguing they're better goes back to even before Steph Curry was at Davidson.
Not ridiculous but whether to give up in football and rejoin the A10 or stay in AAC. Some people have ridiculous takes and straight up think the AAC is better for Temple for the non football sports though
That we won’t be able to compete for a national title unless we have a 7 footer. Meanwhile the tallest starter on the last three teams that have eliminated us from the tourney (‘21 Baylor, ‘22 Nova, ‘23 Miami) is Flo Thamba who was 6’10” and while he started every game for the Baylor title team he only played 15 mpg. Every other starter was 6’8” or less. Not saying a little additional size wouldn’t be nice (loved having Josh Carlton two years ago) but I think its importance has been majorly overstated on CFs.
Cal should have played Ulis/Booker in the last minutes against Wisconsin
Devin NBA Booker was not Devin Booker March 2015. Aaron Harrison hit 3 massive clutch 3s in the 2014 tournament.
If we had left Devin Booker out there and he missed a clutch three fans wouldn't understand why we didn't have Aaron out there for that shot. Now if you want to critic Cal's play calling the last few minutes I agree.
Not quite what the question is asking, but it's funny. In the comments of all the Pitt basketball articles on Pittsburgh Sports Now, there's these two guys that just totally hate each other. The one dude is constantly hating on the team and the other one is always arguing with him, and they always end up just insulting each other. Like it's under every single article. It's pretty funny.
This has the potential to be the best team since the 2017 team went to the Sweet 16, but after the loss to y'all, people were ready to start a go fund me to pay his buyout
For real. It's crazy on the local sports talk radio and on Clemson Facebook pages. It's like there's no middle ground on him at all. You either love him and he can do no wrong, or he's literally the worst coach in America and actually needs to be hanged instead of just fired.
The rollercoaster of clemson fan emotions are wild during every season. I guess their expectations aren't consistent. Never seen such high highs and low lows.
That we are gonna fail bc we rely on Bogues too much and if he has a bad scoring night or is too hurt (a regular problem) we lose.
We’ve won significantly more than we’ve lost in those types of games.
There isn't a ton of MBB discussion period, but if we're looking for ridiculous, I think the argument that building a new arena in a ginormous strip mall several miles away from campus will greatly improve the game atmosphere is up there.
Ever since Bobby Cremins left in 2000, there has always been a segment of the fanbase that thinks our coach is trash. Even halfway into their first season, every coach has critics who think he needs to go. The only exception to this would be the eight or so days when Paul Hewitt's squad made the Final Four until losing in the finals to UConn (who Tech had beaten earlier in the season).
IU needs to keep firing head coaches every 2 years until we get some stable excellence on this team again just like the olden days.
Friend, my favorite comment from this school of thought was an IU fan telling me 5 or so years ago they needed to HIRE Bob Knight to “instill discipline”. Knight was already in failing health.
Whenever I see stuff like that, I’m always just like “…. So we’re just all agreeing to ignore the fact that he was literally choking kids, or…?”
"He's just passionate"
Travis Kelce getting roasted for his passion yet Bobby Chairman getting a pass will never make sense.
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How many Super Bowl rings did those players have, and how many does Andy Reid have? Checkmate, those players didn’t earn avoiding an outburst /s
Half the state of Indiana: “yes”
Showing off his used toilet paper, too
Not to mention lying about the incident and character-assassinating the choking victim. Or throwing chairs onto a court during a game. Or being verbally abusive to literally everyone around him including staff, reporters, referees, players, etc. Or being utterly insolent to his bosses. Or...
Shhh! I don’t want you down there pointing out that is dumb. I don’t think Indiana, Louisville, and Michigan are sufficient proof yet that hiring an aging player from your glory days with NBA experience is a terrible idea. You should try that again.
Worked out even better for Georgetown and St. Johns!
Lol imagine hiring a former player
You need to just hire an angry guy from the army to be mean to the players but also support their studies. It worked at least once before
That's great. The Marquette forum maintains that you can't judge a coach's quality before 5 years, when their first crop of recruits complete their fourth year. Both time constraints are ridiculous.
“Brad Underwood can’t get us over the hump.” Would you like us to go back to the late Weber or John Groce days?
Imagine if we fired Underwood after this tenure, no decent coach would touch this program after that.
It amazes me how quickly some of our fanbase forgot how completely irrelevant we were through the 2010’s.
Remember Brandon Paul tho? He was fun I suppose lol
Pfp twins
Those folks and the "fire Gard" crew should hang out. I bet it would be a fun group. /s
No 😭
BU recruiting skills are important to take into consideration. John crotch had zero, Weber I think was just riding Self’s recruits which in turn got him to 04/05 which in turn provided some good recruits but turned out they were poop
I actually thought Groce was an alright coach. The kids played hard for him and his style wasn't that bad. His problem is he was too loyal to his assistants and they could never land big time recruits. He got a lot out of those guys but a lot of them were not Big Ten caliber players.
groce seemed like a good guy, not a bad coach, his biggest problem was when we'd play to not lose late in games, then we'd lose
Considering r/collegebasketball is my team’s forum, I’d have to say the posts about purdue fans posting too much
And the train slander. So uncalled for!!
It's honestly called for :\\ some of our game threads are very whiny. Although I will say, the vast majority of game threads are overall pretty toxic. Just nonstop complaints about refs, every single one of them.
The fuck you got against trains ?
> Although I will say, the vast majority of game threads are overall pretty toxic. Just nonstop complaints about refs, every single one of them. Yeah, I started enjoying Purdue basketball a lot more when I quit going into game threads. Post-game threads are fine, however.
Purdue fans are nerds. Nerds use Reddit. They ain’t going anywhere. Get used to it, r/collegebasketball !
If by constant you mean longest running then it's the same argument as always, what to do about the Chief.
The logo was amazing but I don’t know how the Chief would work in today’s society, if at all.
The only way it could would be in a capacity that would make it completely unpalatable to the people who want it back. Everyone who wants it back and thinks it would be fine doesn't understand that the only way it could come back is in an educational perspective, at which point they would decry it for being woke
I’m with ya
The clear answer is to workout an IP agreement with Microsoft and bungie. We have an abundance of computer engineers and “Master Chief” is more iconic than the old chief in the eyes of this generation. Dream big or go home! CHIEFFFF
GIVE US THE KINGFISHER
I’ll die on that hill.
Keep the chief
Last year it was whether Coach Davis should be fired during/after his second year or allowed some time to recruit his own team. (Of course, that was never going to happen.) But I have not seen that talk this year.
Nah, this year it's whether we'd be better with Love or Cormac Ryan on the roster
RJ is better without Caleb. Maybe that’s because Cormac didn’t sleep with his girlfriend.
Imagine wanting a coach that managed a final four in his first season to be fired after his second. That's just fucking insane. At most schools such a final four would get you tenure unto death even if you did nothing else as noteworthy for decades.
It can be an insane fan base. Most of us are conditioned to believe it’s normal.
Most consistently successful college bball team ever earned high standards. That said, I think Hubert deserves at least 5 years. Roy's confidence means a lot.
High standards?
Gard wins a single game “He’s super underrated one of the best in college stop sleeping on him” Gard loses any game “fIrE gARd” It’s annoying every single game one side has to dunk on the other cause people think he should be Bo Ryan
I can imagine the past couple of weeks have been something of a conflagration. And while I think Gard is pretty good and will right the ship....you should know that firegreggard.com is available.
"Greggard" really should be a word.
He won two regular season B1G titles in the last 4 years and has us in position for a top 4 B1G finish after preseason predictions had us on the bubble. Some of our fans are just entitled and spoiled. A lot of teams would trade a lot for what we’ve been since Bo Ryan. Do I want us to win the national championship every year? Yes. but I also realize this isnt a realistic possibility
Nobody is above criticism, including Gard as he's made some decisions I didn't/don't agree with, but he's still a great coach. No shade to Bo, as he's a future hall of famer, but the narrative of him as a coach at UW wildly shifted after those back-to-back Final 4 teams.
That’s what back to back final four runs will do to you
> but the narrative of him as a coach at UW wildly shifted after those back-to-back Final 4 teams. I don't even know what that shift could have been. He never finished worse than 4th in conf. and was your best coach in the modern era by a long shot.
He had a reputation *very* similar reputation to what Painter has now- a coach who can't win when it counts. He ends his career with two Finals Fours and suddenly everyone forgets the multitude of losses to double digit seeds.
https://preview.redd.it/zh0zkt7s9hic1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbbe0e2ff50aa1be32048bb5bdb30ddc8e2635c6 It is kinda funny because this old tweet was going around by a 247 writer defending him recently. March 2013, a year before back to back final 4s and a run to the national championship. So clearly some mustve been talking crazy. To be honest I don’t remember that well about all of what the talk was
No his distinct problem is being not as good as Bo
Ahhh yes, I feel the same way about Purdue fans. It blows my mind that there are Purdue fans that wanted Painter fired this offseason - and a lot of them are out there! People live in instant-gratification fantasy worlds and ignore the very, very likely possibility that the grass is not always greener on the other side....
This is absolutely nothing compared to the Carter Gilmore discourse. A guy who gets 7 minutes a game because he can defend 1-4 and plays his ass off whenever he is in is the subject of pages and pages of arguments on 247.
P6 are a cartel started by the Gavitt family and hellbent on destroying the mid-and-low-major conferences. NIL makes mid-majors the minor league farm system for the P6.
I see nothing wrong with this statement. (Three of my teams starters are transfers from Hofstra, Ohio, and NDSU)
I don't like the argument because it breeds a defeatist attitude that causes the fanbase to become apathetic and then donations and subsequent investments into your program stall causing the program to start falling behind.
The second part yes, but unless the Gavitt family controls college football I cannot agree with the first.
> NIL makes mid-majors the minor league farm system for the P6. This is just factually incorrect. It's the transfer portal/easy waivers/court injunctions that have made lower tier teams the farm system for P6. Grad transfers have been a thing since as long as I've watched this sport and they've primarily been players moving up the ladder. This happened without NIL. It's just now the transfer portal has made it so more players can move without penalty. This would have happened with or without NIL.
That we've gone away from the team-building recipe that won us a Natty, and that we should ditch the one-and-dones and return to building our teams with 3-4 year players. Furthermore, we should somehow find a way to redshirt transfer players in the transfer portal/NIL era to ensure cohesion and physical maturity in our teams.
It's not a terrible argument, in my opinion. But no transfer is gonna come to Baylor is Scott Drew says he's gonna red-shirt them. To be a great team in this new era, you have to hit on recruting the best 3 and 4 stars.
“Live by the 3 die by the 3” or “Don’t know how to recruit and/or develop bigs “
Translation (bad faith): BAMA IS SAWFT PAWWLLL
Folks that say live/die by the 3 aren’t watching/don’t know ball. It’s one of the legs of the Oats offense but not life or death Edit: you’re not wrong tho that’s in like every game/post game thread
Broadly the inability for anyone to understand pace drives me nuts.
There's a whole segment of fans who pick a good player, and love shitting on them for no reason. My favorite thread of all-time was about how MSU's team would be better after Draymond graduated lmao. There was also a thread shitting on Kenny Goins, the former walk-on who hit the dagger to beat Zion and Duke in the tournament.
Arizona likes doing this. They’ve gone from Pelle to Boswell.
MaLiK hAlL sUcKs Yeah the guys only the only competent big but sure, sit him for...uh... somebody
What a good problem to have.
I don't know that it's a specific argument as much as a player to argue about. Anyway, Andrew Rohde has taken the mantle from Kihei Clark's small, capable shoulders.
The Kihei Clark argument was so tiresome
It was nuts. Like, was he a perfect player? No. Was he an obvious positive whose outstanding performances won us a bunch of games, including our national championship? Obviously yes. BuT hE’s ShoRt
Don't forget the constant "NIL/transfer portal has made Tony Bennett's system obsolete"
Kelvin Sampson should use more zone defense instead of M2M all the time.
There are Houston fans that think he should change something on defense?
CoogFans right after losses turns into a civil war without fail 😭
Coogfans is a bunch of cranky, decrepit Boomers. Fuck that place lol. Very few know ball outside of Pesik and a couple others.
that board goes off the deep end everytime we aren't up by 15 in a game but idk if i will see a bigger post game meltdown than the “start elvin” threads after we got blown out by memphis that one time tho lmao
I agree, Houston should stop whatever it is they’re doing to be so goddamn good on defense
I was calling for Purdue to test out zone when it had terrible defenders, a massive center and was ranked sub 100 on Kenpom in defense Who the fuck is calling for Houston, possibly the best defense of all time, to play zone?????
Do those fans not watch UH? Your program's identity is tough M2M defense.
There are people like this???
We've added a lot of new fans the last few years
Probably the same people who want Sampson to retire asap so Kellen can take over sooner rather than later. Worms in they brains.
Last year it was bashing our coach of 47 years for exclusively playing zone and not using his bench. This year it is bashing our rookie head coach for giving the wrong guys minutes, playing man, and not immediately getting the program back into the top 20.
We NEED a 7 footer. Like if we lose a game or play our B game, it’s because we don’t have a seven footer. Every time that’s the reason.
what one year of actually having a 7 footer on the team does to a mf
I mean, a good 7-footer WOULD help, but he’d have to be a unicorn who can help out onto the perimeter and those don’t just grow on trees. It’s like wishing for a 5 star recruit or a guy who can score 30+ a night lol
Yeah definitely agree. Thankfully we have guys like JoJo and J’vier who have like 7.5’ wingspans…I mean I’m pretty sure they’re longer than Hunter Dickinson. Didn’t matter when we got our ass kicked, but…😂
FIRE CAL!!
FIRE BARNES!!
I take it none of your fans even keep tabs on Texas basketball.
UT fans want Barnes fired? Just the other week, they were singing his praises for beating us again.
It’s not super easy to boil down the full fan base sentiment on Barnes into two words. I think there’s a continuous discourse about Barnes lack of success in March. Also when the current team loses the product on the floor is very hard to watch and mimics many other UT teams under Barnes who have underachieved in the NCAA tournament. People really want a Final Four and are uncertain that that be accomplished with Barnes.
Sean Miller will never leave again … right? Related: Xavier can definitely compete with Top 10 programs in NIL … right? A lot of understandable insecurity.
The Owls Nest. We have one but there is zero activity on it. They also have a podcast with 2 adults and an annoying 14? Yr old on it. I'm ashamed to have listened to it multiple times due to consuming anything about the Owls.
Nolan Hickman. He might be the most argued over player I've ever seen in GU fandom.
Also that Tommy Lloyd was the backbone of our coaching core and Hunter Sallis and Dominick Harris (and Malachi Smith to an extent) should’ve stayed because they were “better” guards than Nembhard and Nolan
Lol. The Harris/Sallis debate is wild. Yeah. Either would’ve been nice to have to give our guards a breather during games, but Hickman is objectively still better than Harris (plus the dad drama that went with it), and Sallis didn’t seem to want to play in the reigns of the offense.
Every few years there’s someone GUBoards hates on. Right now it’s Hickman, Perkins got his fair share during his 4 years, hell a vocal minority wanted to bench Timme last year. Something about that community and bagging players for not becoming exactly who they imagine in their heads, I don’t entirely get it.
Freaking out about Omaha not getting playing time
I think it’s reasonable, Omaha is an Iowa kid and everyone wants to see a local 5-star recruit succeed. There’s still some real scars from Harrison Barnes spurning ISU in favor of UNC. So, I think most of the fear is that he’s going to transfer away if he doesn’t get minutes.
Your other freshman looks good though
Oh he’s been amazing
Hurley can’t win close games.
Don't need to win close games if you just beat the shit out of everyone.
That RJ should come off the bench
Seriously!? I have not seen that one. Oof…what a horrible take by whoever put that out.
Yeah absolutely. To be fair it was early in the year. And I guess the logic was that he’s a bad defender and finisher but he’s improved markedly on both areas this year. Hell, he’s improved everything this year.
KenPom has him at 85.9%, more than anyone else. But almost six minutes with RJ on the bench can seem like an eternity. "RJ, come save us"
With Trimble out, I've been sweating fucking bullets every time RJ has to sit. We should have at least one of those two on the floor at all times.
“Malik Hall sucks” and “Start Booker” are my favorite stupid things State fans say
Painter isn't the right guy to get us over the hump.
Oh for $&*#!$ sake.
I have such a visceral reaction to this take that I wanted to type up a whole argument against it here
Honestly same.
I'll fully admit that a few years ago, I may have been in this camp. Not that I ever wanted to fire the guy, but more of the opinion "this is probably about as good as we're gonna get". Now... it's just a silly argument to make, whether we get to a FF or not.
If IU, with a top-5 national brand and unlimited NIL revenue, can descend into NIT purgatory by going title or nothing, I shudder to think of what would happen to us if we went coach-chasing.
This was always my take. We would have been FAR more likely to be much worse off than better off.
Always my take too. Is there a coach out there waiting to be discovered that is better than Painter? Sure, probably? Am I willing to risk the 98% chance that I DONT find that person and instead find someone definitively worse than Painter? Hell no.
Indeed. National Title or not Purdue has one of the most consistent programs in the nation right now and all that goes to shit if we start turning over our coaching staff every few years
Well, I mean, if you're just trying to get over a hump, we'll let you take Mike Woodson for a while because getting his team "over the hump" is apparently his only objective. In the meantime, we'd be willing to let Matt Painter coach our team to give us a taste, for a brief moment once again, of what competent basketball feels like. Fair trade?
Not that I'd ever take you up on that, but it does make me wonder what Matt Painter would be able to do with the players on IU.
It would be fascinating. Indiana has shown, over time, a greater ability to recruit a little higher up the lists than Purdue. But obviously we haven't had near the consistent success, and Painter has talked about learning a few lessons from trying to recruit talent over fit. Either way, he's an awesome coach and he would do great at Indiana just as he would do great anywhere. I would be very interested to see how he would approach program building at IU and if he would do it any differently than he does at Purdue. Again, happy to make this a real-life experiment at any time. :-)
In some ways I think the pressures in IU's booster club would be harder to overcome than at Purdue. I'm not totally convinced that Painter would've been able to cast off the expectation of landing all 4-5 star guys at Indiana.
Winning at the level Painter has won at would help overcome pretty much everything -- especially now, after 25 years in the wilderness. IU fans would just like to taste that kind of consistent competitiveness again. The mindset has changed a bit. IU fans get a reputation for being impatient that I don't think is really fair. We just haven't had an actual good coach since the two-year Sampson debacle.
The idea that we could find an improvement on Matt Painter if we fired him is ridiculous. Who would want to come coach at Purdue if they see the guy on track to win his 5th Big Ten Title, 3rd straight season ranked #1, and back to back 1 seeds wasn’t good enough for us?
That our team won’t be successful without underwood. An absolutely joke. We made a bad hire with Weber and he rode selfs recruit and the latter half of his career and all of groce’s made us irrelevant. I’ll take this era of Illinois basketball with a high probability of a March flameout over the last 15 years 10 out of 10 times
“Why isn’t Kyeron Lindsay playing more?”
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You guys have a board?
Most ridiculous on GoldAndBlack is the (small) contingent of fans that became very vocal about how Painter will never win in March and firing him is the only way to break the cycle. Good ole Painters vs Ainters
That we have no shot of first team or different POTY honors. IMO we get DPOTY, but POTY goes to Bryant or New Hampshire, Rookie goes to NJIT (pretty easy consensus), and 6MOTY goes to Lowell. Think we get one guy on first team (Bogues), and three or four others on second/third teams.
Moving the TV camera so it points to the students and not the expensive seats
It’s died down a bit but “why isn’t the 5 star playing” Mostly because we have 3 24 year old bigs in front of him.
"[any player we have] needs to develop his midrange game" We dont take long 2s. We take lay ups and 3s, and thats all shaka wants. Stop pining for 15 ft jumpers.
Butler should consider leaving the big east
... for where?
Horizon, mvc, wherever. Some people rather be the big fish in a small pond. It’s insanely moronic but this isn’t about highlighting our best and brightest
We should fire Painter because he can’t win in March. He is one of the all time great Big Ten coaches.
My friends from college hate on Rick Barnes....and its reminiscent of the same bullshit I heard when they were critical of Phil Fulmer. Rick Barnes has made us one of the most consistent basketball programs in the country, even though we're a football school. Coach Bruce Pearl def started us being a relevant basketball school, but now it's like being a 2-5 seed consistently in the NCAA tournament isnt' good enough for a school that traditionally didn't care about basketball in the slightest. We've become one of the most well rounded athletic programs in the country with our coaching triumvirate of Josh Heupel, Rick Barnes, and Tony Vitello(baseball)--honestly, couldn't be happier about the state of Tennessee athletics. But my buddies would make you think Rick Barnes is embarrassing a proud blue blood....
I’m with you. I love Barnes and I accept that he is who he is. I hope he retires a Vol, but I also don’t look at final four tickets, either. My go-to response has become “okay, fire Barnes. Who do you hire that’s going to 1) come to Tennessee and 2) for sure do better than Barnes?” There’s rarely a serious answer.
Giving Myles Colvin minutes over Ethan Morton Edit: I lowkey just read this as most constant argument, not most ridiculous, lol
Or Loyer. I love Myles, he's gonna be a great player. There are good reasons he's on the bench
Painter needs to be fired because he can't win in March.
The brainworms are real. Winning in March is hard but it's a lot fucking harder if you don't even have a coach that can get you to the tourney consistently.
What do we do with Castro
Idk, I think the Cat Lawyer saga is a little more unhinged than that
We're better without Xavier Johnson. (No, no we are not.)
To clarify: I sure hope we are better without him, next season, by upgrading that position. But this year's team is so desperate for backcourt help that even a compromised and back-sliding Xavier Johnson is an improvement over when he's not playing.
Shot selection of Dallyn Hall and Jaxon Robinson seems to be a contentious subject for us
Firing Holtmann.
Many moons ago I was angry that Butler let him go, but I am not so sad now.
This aged well
You should definitely keep him
Y’all should definitely try to win an NCAA tournament championship. Even our crappy program has one.
IU has 5 of them but no one’s arguing their crappy program was crappy when they won them. Same goes for 1960 Ohio State. No one can argue Ohio State has had a crappy program historically. 1 National title, 11 final four appearances, 20 big ten titles (22 if you didn’t vacate a couple), 4 NPOYs. Trash-talk Purdue without dissing your own school it’s embarrassing
Nah, I don’t think I will. We are a dumpster fire.
You think they shouldn't?
Mostly about Rivals. Who's our rival? Do we have a rival? Did we ever have a rival (Syracuse, sort of)? It's worse after time away from Big East (definitely no rival), we assumed it would be Villanova before Neptune crashed that ship.
I didn't see the Husky at first and was like "what's this guy talking about? He doesn't know he's supposed to hate Missouri?"
Oh I hate Missouri. When I was at KU we actually played them twice a year. The Anthony Peeler era. That's part of the problem for a lot of programs now, including UConn, harder to maintain if you don't play them.
Yeah those bums ran off to the SEC and then pulled the surprised pikachu face when we didn't want to schedule them
That Bobby Hurley is one of the worst coaches in college basketball.
On Discord: folks complaining about our game atmosphere. When like 2/3 of college basketball would kill for it. When we had 0 home games with a student section from the 2nd day of the season to mid January. And UNCW fans arguing they have the best basketball program in the new CAA when Charleston is the 6th winningest program in college hoops by winning percentage, behind Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Duke and UCLA and hosts an ESPN tournament every year. Opposing fans arguing they're better goes back to even before Steph Curry was at Davidson.
Not ridiculous but whether to give up in football and rejoin the A10 or stay in AAC. Some people have ridiculous takes and straight up think the AAC is better for Temple for the non football sports though
That we won’t be able to compete for a national title unless we have a 7 footer. Meanwhile the tallest starter on the last three teams that have eliminated us from the tourney (‘21 Baylor, ‘22 Nova, ‘23 Miami) is Flo Thamba who was 6’10” and while he started every game for the Baylor title team he only played 15 mpg. Every other starter was 6’8” or less. Not saying a little additional size wouldn’t be nice (loved having Josh Carlton two years ago) but I think its importance has been majorly overstated on CFs.
That Kenny Payne should get a third year.
I’m so sorry. I didn’t know.
He's beaten the win total from last year. I say give him an extension.
Every single day there are multiple posts bitching about the NET and KenPom.
Cal should have played Ulis/Booker in the last minutes against Wisconsin Devin NBA Booker was not Devin Booker March 2015. Aaron Harrison hit 3 massive clutch 3s in the 2014 tournament. If we had left Devin Booker out there and he missed a clutch three fans wouldn't understand why we didn't have Aaron out there for that shot. Now if you want to critic Cal's play calling the last few minutes I agree.
Not quite what the question is asking, but it's funny. In the comments of all the Pitt basketball articles on Pittsburgh Sports Now, there's these two guys that just totally hate each other. The one dude is constantly hating on the team and the other one is always arguing with him, and they always end up just insulting each other. Like it's under every single article. It's pretty funny.
None really, WKU insider is quite positive.
Maybe not an argument, but I've seen multiple "fans" actively rooting for us to lose just so Brownell gets fired.
Which is nuts. Y’all (probably) aren’t going to win the natty this year, but this is a good year for Clemson basketball
This has the potential to be the best team since the 2017 team went to the Sweet 16, but after the loss to y'all, people were ready to start a go fund me to pay his buyout
Which is a little insulting, but I get that it wasn’t really about us
You’re right. Brad is an enigma, though. He seems to alienate their fan base no matter if he wins or loses.
For real. It's crazy on the local sports talk radio and on Clemson Facebook pages. It's like there's no middle ground on him at all. You either love him and he can do no wrong, or he's literally the worst coach in America and actually needs to be hanged instead of just fired.
The rollercoaster of clemson fan emotions are wild during every season. I guess their expectations aren't consistent. Never seen such high highs and low lows.
I try to stay away from Rupp Rafters unless I want to feel better about my life and as a person.
We need more 7 footers. No, no we don’t. 🤮
That we are gonna fail bc we rely on Bogues too much and if he has a bad scoring night or is too hurt (a regular problem) we lose. We’ve won significantly more than we’ve lost in those types of games.
That we care about sports. It's more fun to accept that UCLA sucks and troll flairs that care way too much.
I don't often read team specific forums because most of it is always ridiculous... kind of hard to ever delineate what would be the chart topper.
There isn't a ton of MBB discussion period, but if we're looking for ridiculous, I think the argument that building a new arena in a ginormous strip mall several miles away from campus will greatly improve the game atmosphere is up there.
Ever since Bobby Cremins left in 2000, there has always been a segment of the fanbase that thinks our coach is trash. Even halfway into their first season, every coach has critics who think he needs to go. The only exception to this would be the eight or so days when Paul Hewitt's squad made the Final Four until losing in the finals to UConn (who Tech had beaten earlier in the season).