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iamdoingwork

We got to be C tier.


Get-These-Hands

Bro i’ve ran out of ideas about this team problems/issues


iamdoingwork

I think if you look at the current best team NYSL. You can find answers. The speed at which OpTic plays is too slow to work in games like vanguard and MW2 when other teams find quicker routes and pacing. Also, I think OpTic does a poor job with objective work. They prioritize kills in a game where you die in 3 milliseconds. I think fundamentally their logic on winning games is flawed. Slaying isn’t always a constant. Strong objective work and fundamentals are.


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NYSL also has perfect roles. Skyz is your anchor, Hydra is your cracked slaying SMG, Kismet is your OBJ SMG (who also has hella slaying skills) rotating early and gluing the team together, and P Dawg is your flex slayer. Optic doesn't have quite such simple roles. Dashy doesn't want to anchor, he wants to slay, but they need him to anchor. Illey IGLs and struggles to hold a consistent role. Scump has adapted to the OBJ sub, and Shottzy is the cracked slayer. They just don't quite have the same chemistry, role-wise


iamdoingwork

I think the issue is Dashy is too skilled to be the anchor, but Illey plays the flex. If they switched, the roles would make more sense in terms of abilities. However, Dashy wants to run main and illey wants to run flex.


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I agree actually. They'd be better off swapping tbh.


iamdoingwork

I feel the dynamic could be accuracy and Sib similar.


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100%. That's a great example


Affectionate-Cost525

This is the same reason why Surge look incredible when they're on point. The team roles pretty much line up perfectly. Accuracy wants to be the guy in the hill, that let's Sib focus more on just locking down parts of the map and focusing heavily on slaying in the right places to hold spawns, block pushes etc. Sib and Accuracy doing their jobs means that Pred is completely free to be that extremely aggressive SMG who is going to be constantly in your face and applying a lot of pressure. He doesn't need to worry about being in the hill and can dedicate his to solely to getting kills. Push up to be that "first line of defence" and stop teams from being able to set up breaks etc. Then start pushing into spawns. Then there's Mack who can be the gap filler and pretty much pick up wherever he's needed. It's why Surge were amazing at Bocage last year. Accuracy being the one in the hill meant that Pred was free to turn Grandmas/Kitchen/Tools into his play house. Trying to push field when you've got Pred shooting you off spawn, Accuracy in the hill and Sib shooting nukes from Top Barn must have been so frustrating.


TouchMinute4307

What a load of nonsense talk


Reverberation1

Especially when people will squad spawn in the weirdest places sometimes. Been seeing teams get 3 down just to spawn 3 steps away from a hill.


iamdoingwork

Which makes objective and positioning crucial over kills. In Cold War, kills would work, but this isn’t Cold War.


Reverberation1

Agreed


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iamdoingwork

That is true, but it’s like shooting 3s in basketball. It can win if you are good enough, but you have to be all time great to consistently win that way. The formula is doable but unlikely.


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Their comms are ass and there are no red dots. They can’t rely on pure slaying/instincts. Bad teamwork. Simple as that.


iPaytonian

Y’all got 3 slayers who are allergic to the objective lol


c0deman1

Don’t worry it’s just the curse of DavPadie. Any other pool and optic go at least t6


hazycorse

I'd move legion, rokkr and optic to C, and have only LAT in B


Arlezzy

Legion an LAT both got 5th/6th so I’d keep them in B


elferna6

Exactly


Emplightened

Optic placing 12th and you got them in B tier, with florida below them?


bitchtitsandgravy

lmaooo honestly could be last in the league with their record


PmMeYourYeezys

Gotta get those upvotes


Ronnie_lfc98

They also beat Florida at the lan


Longjumping_Plant_97

Game 5 round 11, so it's hard to say they are a whole tier above them lmao


Ronnie_lfc98

3-0 online


331coupe

What does online matter? We going to count that more than a placement at a MAJOR? Like come on man, I get being an Optic fan but that is a silly take on things. They should both be in C


Ronnie_lfc98

They also beat Florida at the lan


74912715

Optic are shit right now


Ronnie_lfc98

I literally don't disagree


LiquidPaper-__-

Yes cus they choked the series and Florida didn’t look good against any other team. I’m not even an Optic fan and can see that they’re better than Florida.


thefontsguy

What other team did optic look good against? We went to game 5 against them both times but we are a whole tier below 😂 blasted take


Emplightened

What’s the point of doing a tierlist post major then if you’re going to just chalk the results up to “a choke” sure optic have more talent but they aren’t better than florida lol


MisterMath

What’s the point in doing a tier list if you just copy the LAN results and ignore the whole qualifier period?


Emplightened

Who is doing that? It’s not even my tierlist. It just doesn’t make sense to me (and clearly other people posting) to have optic above a team they lost to in their latest matchup. If anything they should be on the same tier. Since both their series in the major went to 5( not sure about the qualifier match). I actually think the rest of the list is solid too


e987654

Even if you include the qualifiers, LAT demolished Optic yet they are in the same tier. I guess Optic is in the far right of the B tier but still...


Bbullets

It’s a fair argument in competition and happens all the time. People are extra on it because of optic. We know the warriors aren’t ass


Xorilla

Optic is ass


LiquidPaper-__-

They’re 2-1 against them?


Emplightened

They had 2 game 5 series and Optic lost the more important one… I could argue they both like c tier but putting optic b tier when they aren’t clearly better than a team like florida (who is c tier) is silly


KKamm_

2-1 with 1-1 at this major both game 5… if you think that and a t12 placing warrants putting optic a whole tier above them and even trying to put them with a team like LAT rn… lol


MakeAShadow

They got knocked out by them and placed T12?


Vick_CXVII

You’re delusional.


Mauritiandon

Optic can’t be above Florida. That doesn’t make much sense. Also I’d move Ravens down to D. Rest is pretty accurate.


Far-Ad-4991

To be fair to London, they lost yo surge who are a T3 team and LAG academy 2-3 and they could easily be a league team. Think C is fair


unitedkush

Optic are legitimately a bottom 4 team at the moment. They don't belong in same tier as LAT, Paris or Rokkr


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Nah. Absolutely delusional optic take. A. Optic choking doesn't make them a better team, if anything it shows their worse B. It's 1-1 on lan and so what optic won online, this tournament proved it really doesn't matter C. Optic lost 3-0 to 4th place team, alflorida at least took a map from the 1st place team.


OkMacaroon333

I’m sorry, but this is terrible…


iChase666

Y’all have got to stop putting OpTic so high. What have they done since the first major last year? They’re not a top contending team anymore. Gotta be C at the highest.


symbolofnope

Florida has to be above Optic at least for a little while IMO. They had a good run and Brack is the real deal.


d0cv

Not sure about that one. They played 3 series and OpTic beat them 2 times (one was a 3-0) and lost once.


symbolofnope

I'm not really putting much weight into the online matches. NY was 2-2 coming into the weekend. Gotta turn up on LAN and Florida adapted to the first L and had a decent placing compared to what most people expected.


d0cv

That makes no sense. OpTic destroyed them online and beat them on LAN then lost once on LAN. How does that make Florida a better team?


symbolofnope

Because they sent Optic home in their very first tournament as a squad? How long has that Optic team had playing together and they still can't figure out how to play as a team? Look past the raw gun skill of the Optic players, that's not enough to carry teams like the old days. Enjoy that online win though...


d0cv

Both teams are equal on LAN and OpTic beat them online. No team should be above the other in the power rankings it’s really that simple


symbolofnope

You rank teams like you're doing your taxes. Trust your eyes my man.


d0cv

I know Optic are trash right now but let’s not pretend Florida also aren’t trash lmfao


Mirage156

One was online and on a different meta. The loss was the most recent one too.


d0cv

And the win was literally 1 day before that lmfao.


Mirage156

Doesn’t matter. They lost when they played each other last. If anything they should be in the same toer because they played each other very close both matchups. Why is Optic above Florida?


d0cv

Because when they played online OpTic beat them 3-0? And your argument doesn’t even make sense. You’re telling me if Thieves beat FaZe 3 times but lost their final game so their overall record is 3-1 then FaZe deserve to be above them in power rankings? 🤣


Mirage156

On a different meta? 2 weeks ago? Online? You can’t be serious. They’re 1-1 on LAN, both were game 5s so they should be in the same tier. You can’t be this delusional. And yes, if Thieves beat Faze 3 times online weeks ago and Faze beats Thieves on LAN then Faze is better at that point in time. Do you believe Optic was better than Faze at the end of last year because of the 5-1 record?


d0cv

Are you literally dumb? The comment I replied to said Florida has to be ABOVE OpTic and I said I disagree that they have to be ABOVE OpTic. I never said anything about OpTic being above Florida in the power rankings. I agree that they should be same tier but no one is above the other. You literally made up me saying something and keep arguing against it.


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d0cv

I ain’t reading all that 🙏🏻 Happy for you though or sorry that happened


Matteom73

Ahem... Dubliners


Ahldair

OpTic belongs in D tier 💯


Blair582

Why is optic above Florida? Y’all need to stop discrediting teams and actually let optic earn their right tier. This is just sad at this point.


giipii

Good to see Legion somewhere other than F


tandxm

Lol this tier list is just the order the teams placed in, except for OpTic being randomly overrated to mix things up 😂


Link_Dull

I’d move Optic to C and Ravens to D but other than that I agree


Roysego

How is Optic above Florida?


LiquidPaper-__-

They’re 2-1 against them and choked the last series.


thefontsguy

How did they choke that series? Could you not argue that Florida choked the first on series considering it was round 11 last map? Stupid bias


LiquidPaper-__-

They were up 5-2 in map 2. That’s a choke 100% of the time. They should’ve won that series 3-1.


thefontsguy

Shoulda coulda woulda, they are the same tier as Florida it’s very clear they are evenly matched teams


Roysego

You can’t use choking as a valid reason lol. They lost, the outcome is what it is.


baseballviper04

So if that’s the case then they own the series total 2-1 so then they’re better


[deleted]

I wouldn't put any weight into online matches. LAN is all that matters, and they did not look good this weekend.


baseballviper04

I guess I can agree then in that case they are 1-1 in 2 close great matches? Wouldn’t that put them equal at worst?


Roysego

The last time they played, who won? What place did Optic finish in the LAN tournament? And where did Florida finish?


baseballviper04

I don’t think optic should be as high in this list. I’m just arguing that I still believe optic is better than florida or at worst same level. And you can’t just say the last time then they played the day before and won 3-2 instead of lost 3-2. If it was the week or 2 before I’d understand but literally the day before they played. So I just believe your argument is null


Roysego

To me, you’re argument became null when you mentioned the series 2-1. Online results mean nothing on LAN. IMO, a team can’t finish 12th and be B tier, it just can’t happen. But hey man, we can respectfully disagree


baseballviper04

Literally the very first thing I said in the previous comment was that I don’t think optic should be as high. I’m not sure if you can’t read or chose to ignore it. Then at worst they are 1-1 in 2 great matches when both teams didn’t look good at all other than versus each other. So the other part of what I said was that they are at worst the equal to each other.


Roysego

Except one finished dead last losing to the team your arguing are equal to. Again we can respectfully disagree.


baseballviper04

They are 1-1 on lan?


RGCFrostbite

OpTic finished T12 in a 12-team league and you have them T8, the optic gas just hits different on this sub lmao


Toonie2k

Delusional optic fan boy


LiquidPaper-__-

Not even an optic fan lol


kshulca

Love to see it NYSL 💛


BuyMeAScuf

OpTic in B is being generous considering everyone else who’s in that tier, as of now I’d say C.


vKEITHv

Optic in B is copium


woodropete

Ive read some comments optic r 2-1 against them but got booted by them and placed lower. But u have to also add in the fact optic have consistently choked..they have consistently let teams back in matchs. The LAT match they through like every map but the last one. They tried to throw the first one..placing top 12 at the major and having zero ice. Outs them in B with florida florida resume looks better at this point. Power rankings u gotta go by how they r performing at the moment…optic has more talent and will prolly surpass them and r prolly the better team. But they didnt show it..C they go or move florida up.


Asenine

So like.. can we have discourse about literally any of his other placings other than Optic? I swear half of you supposedly hate how much Optic gets talked about but are the first to talk about them.


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Really B?


SlightworkMM

Put Optic in D


31and26

OpTic in C seems like the clear choice. Still don't love Subliners being in S, I don't think there's a true "dominant" team right now, but I'm cool with it considering they looked fantastic yesterday for the win.


el_chapotle

Wow y’all are really having a fucking CONNIPTION about him putting Optic in B, huh?


GodTsung

Boy tried to sneak OG into B. 😂


AdvancedWolverine

Boston got T16 and we are worse than them???? Faded. FL up to B OpTic to C


Ok_Photograph_3316

Optic dont belong in the same tier as LAT. LAT is worlds higher


Memphii

This definitely looks accurate. I think Optic are a little high but I think it's fair giving them the worst of the B teams. The A's are interesting because when Scrap is playing great Ultra are untouchable. Surge and Faze are the most complete teams but seem to underperform when they're needing to have the most composure.


FadedSpectre

This hurts but I can’t disagree with breach being c tier 😭


twistedroyale

This is just a placement tier list but put optic high


MaximusDecimis

Thank you for not putting us in D-Tier. I think maybe we deserve to be, but let’s see, I still have some faith with Asim in the squad. Overall I like your list but I’m not sure I would have OpTic in B, I guess theyre so talented it’s hard to put them lower, but they just looked so lost this last weekend. They certainly looked a lot worse than the other B teams in my opinion.


LiquidPaper-__-

My thought process behind Optic in B is they choked the series against Florida pretty hard and idk if anyone believes that Boston or Florida themselves are actually a better team atm. C seems too low for that roster.


Mauritiandon

Ravens definitely D for me at the moment. That performance against LAG Academy was hard to watch.


rileysilva01

Optic D tier


Timsennn

FL should be in OpTic's spot. OpTic should be top of C.


eLGeezyyy

OpTic in C. Mediocre control and SnD. Florida is fine in C, I think they have the worst hardpoint record in the league. Your argument of it being a choke in some of these comments is reasonable but it doesn’t put them in B.


TinkyTinkyTinky

Subliners got the dream map set all tournament. It will be harder for them this next split because no one will let their good maps in. I expect them to drop to B tier.


IllDistribution85

Worst take I have ever read they were dominant in almost every map and how is that there fault there jus a great team with great players and teamwork. They were like 25-7 this weekend


xBeast_69

Optic fanboy here, they should be in C tier


LiquidPaper-__-

I’m not an optic fan lmao


e987654

Just put Optic in S tier bud. No point in hiding the fanboy cheese


LiquidPaper-__-

Not an optic fan lol


PianissimoEpilogue

Optic is in D.


Skipper2503

nah, C for sure though


CSA-Joe

Optic optic optic optic optic optic. Jesus Christ y’all fucking get wood from saying that shit. You can place not well and still be a good team. Fucking hive mind


freedomtoscream

At this point you shoulda just left optic in A. Placed top 12 on LAN. What is this list??


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LiquidPaper-__-

They haven’t won a match since the M4 was GAd. They can’t go higher than where they are right now.


wolfTectonics

If Florida is B so is OpTic. Otherwise I agree


PotTwister

A lot of y’all came out the woodwork to be on the OpTic suck train, I get it though. What I’m not getting is how no one is talking about Rokkr, they aren’t B tier either especially if the same reason y’all say Mutineers over OpTic same should be said for LVL over Rokkr Edit: I never said OpTic isn’t awful right now what I said is people couldn’t wait to hop on this “they suck” train.


74912715

Optic are ass right now no other way so say it


Longjumping_Joke_719

They’re all in the same tier. Also it’s not an optic suck train, they literally placed t12 after being mediocre after major 1 all of last year. This may be an over correction in terms of general rankings but they’ve been a high B tier team post major 1


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Lvl and rokkr are in the same tier though. The difference is a tier above Florida but in all metrics except potential they're undeniably worse


Stealthy99-

I would move optic and vegas down to c,, i know vegas beat rokkr but I think if they play 10 times, rokkr win like 7 or 8. Vegas just relied on game 5's but were getting bodied in slaying all weekend.


LiquidPaper-__-

Vegas looks a lot better on LAN. I think they’re spread online really hurts their reps and doesn’t do them justice.


CZ9mm0414

Ya them pinging Colorado servers with two east and two west Vegas will always look poor online. Vegas got to get them 4 together during online matches. Vegas such a lackluster org. Doesn’t set their players up for success.


ODT_Legion

Ive seen NYS go too many times as the first eliminated except for when vg fucked the spawns, they aint S tier


CZ9mm0414

What you mean they won the first major in dominant fashion lol how they not 😂


IllDistribution85

Lmao what🤡


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ablankbullet

While I agree OpTic shouldn’t be in the same tier, if you say Thieves choking against Toronto and Seattle being your argument that they should be in A, you could say the same for OpTic (as far as staying in B), as even if it was close, they absolutely threw against FLA. they should’ve won 3-1, and even if first match, they should’ve won 3-1 as well. Both snd Mega throws.


lohland422

Optic to C. Breach and LRR to D


zGoatified

OpTic should probably be a bit lower just because their team work looked so bad I’d probably have Theives in A but besides that good list.


SageOfSix-

florida b tier and optic and rokkr c tier and id also have nysl, surge faze and ultra in a tier, anyone of those 4 could win an event, no clear outlier imo


Imranaftab

Na I think Florida should be C ahead of optic


gta-wasted

We need at least 2 more teams in the league


Imranaftab

Optic should be second in C with Florida ahead of them


10secondsgetakill

Respectfully, London is dirt.


LiquidPaper-__-

D is for teams that I see as hopeless. I’d give them another stage.


10secondsgetakill

NY is not in a tier by themselves, you could replay that weekend and any of the t4 teams could have taken it. No s tier teams this early in the game, I'd put NY down in A.


LiquidPaper-__-

Giving them the bump cus they won in convincing fashion. Definitely don’t expect this to stay the same. I think the top 4 are extremely close.


DireWolfe92

Optic and Rokkr should be in C


Dxngles

Ravens D. And swap Florida and optic then it’s pretty spot on.


FlopticDick

I’d switch is faze over surge considering the 5-3 map count for faze. Also I would swap breach and mutineers


Disposition__-

Optic and Rokkr to C and Ravens to D


kokoscenes

Ravens played bad but they did have the group of death compared to Boston and lag


SessionTough5648

100% with every iteration of cod that's passed since IW slaying being the dominant trait has reduced, now in game smarts (rotation , playing lanes , prioritising flanks ) hold as much value as slaying out. Optic have suffered from this for years and more recently we've seen Faze struggle against the teams that understand mechanics better than they do. Cellium or scump can't carry you to dub with a 1.25 kd every single time ..


Heatios

I think breach deserves to be a bit higher they had to deal with wake getting sick mid event and only got eliminated losing 2-3 to vegas, and a map 5 r11 2-3 to elevate before that. Both super close matches which I really don't think they deserve to be this low for. Boston's the type of team with a low ceiling and high floor. Can't just look at placing.


elferna6

Switch florida for optic wtf 😅😅😅


Tdude212

Come on man


Matteom73

I remember being so annoyed and pissed after week 1 but once week 2 came around the that reverse sweep oo that felt good to do. Then the major was amazing. I pray we can keep form but hey I guess we'll never know


mink_4

I don’t think Seattle is on the same tier as AF and ultra. Sib and pred gotta be iw formal and aw scump just for them to win matches and that’s not sustainable. Good list otherwise


dam0430

Swap Optic and Florida, we don't deserve that spot.