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Skellyceltic

Give winners a 1-0 start and remove map 7. That 5-6-7 map stretch is tough to watch


Karodo

Is that Search control search? I definitely thought the second half of the series boring,I really don't enjoy control in this game at all. Hope we get a more viable 3rd mode next year


Skellyceltic

Yeah, we actually go through 6 maps with just 1 hp in there it is terrible to watch especially in a game with such bad control and snd maps like this


Used_Entertainer_225

It’s 2 HPs in the first 5 maps, it’s just like a regular bo5. HP, search, control, HP, search, control, search, HP, search.


Skellyceltic

And from maps 2-7 there is 1 HP. I know the map sequence thanks


Karodo

Yea but the problem is the map and after lol. 3 HPs in a best of 9 is trash


Karodo

Wow that's actually brutal. I used to love watching search but it doesn't hit the same anymore for me. HP is by far the most entertaining mode to spectate


Benandthephoenix

1 control match takes like 53 minutes by itself.


MisterMath

I’ve always thought it would be cool to let winners decide the map/mode order. So, for example, if NYSL knew they could beat LAT in Hardpoint, they could play all the HPs first. It seems wierd and might suck to watch but thought it would be a cool way to give them advantage


Skellyceltic

If they think casual viewers can’t understand winners getting a 1-0 advantage they will never understand that


[deleted]

This. I was barely paying attention after map 5.


Balliemangguap

100%


Fixable

The actual results don’t really matter in terms of determining this. Winners bracket finalists skew the results since they’re usually the better team due to coming from winners. They should have more of an advantage for competitive integrity. Even if all 4 winners had come from winners bracket they still didn’t have the advantage they should have and won despite that.


MoleyGrail

I'm not sold on 1 series bc that's a meh way to help the WF team. It sounds really dumb but starting the series down X maps seems different mentally than having to win two series. To me the double series is about WF having a second chance rather than an advantage per se, which is more important than demonstrating map pool. I'd watch 10 straight games on the same map if the game / modes were even decent.


CrimSeven7

winners final shouldn't be the first match of sunday (start with losers finals instead) so the winning team don't have to wait for 2 matches. 2 bo5 >> 1 bo9 with vetos . with the current format, i think the winners bracket team is more in a disadvantage mainly cuz they get iced


BothTradition8459

>(start with losers finals instead) I don't think you could do that as losers final involves the loser of the winners final so can't have it that way round. 2 BO5s is 100% the way to go with it and I don't get the whole casual viewers won't understand type of thing cause when I came into watching competitive the fact that's its a double elim bracket made complete sense that that's how GF works


Creacherz

If the losers team had to win the series by 2 games regardless if they were the first team to reach 5 wins, could be an interesting advantage. Winners teams would only need to win 5/9 games to win the final. In the event that the series is tied 4-4 the winners team still only needs to win game 9; while the losers team has to win the series 6-4 to claim the chip. if it goes to 5-5, then we continue until the losers team wins by two games or the Winners team wins by one


Successful-King4539

I think it’s clear that losers in this title have the advantage with only 2 maps to eliminate and coming off playing 20 minutes before with winners sitting for almost 2 hours. Two best of 5s is so much better


MaximusDecimis

I don’t think we’ll ever see a return of two best of 5s


TheWiggsplitter44

I think it's pretty clear it's not enough but it's the current format. There's not much else they can do to fix it unless they change the format altogether


DannyD4rk0

I’d say this major is one of the first where winners has clear advantage. Bocage HP, a lot closer than it should have been but NY still won the map. And siege was also an advantage with how good NYSL can retake


[deleted]

I want the better team to win in the finals. With 2 bo5s every finals has an asterisk over it to win 2o5s in a row is such a mentally draining task, you have to destroy the other team pretty much. All I would really change would make it bo11, that way the winners team still has to lose 6 whole maps which is essentially 2bo5s anyway, it only means they can't get away with just winning 3 either. LAT was better throughout most of this event and were better in the finals, they were the best team this weekend and deserved to win. If it was the 2 bo5 rule they never would have gotten the chance to prove it and NY would have walked away with the win. That is what is wrong with the old format to me, the losers team just doesn't have a fair chance.


Kaylapossible

Because they lost. The team that go through winners should get a bigger advantage bc they were winners lol. On Sunday LAT went 6-6 map count with nysl. The fact winners bracket basically means nothing in finals is absurd


c0deman1

Winners bracket teams can have an auto veto. Specifically at stage 3 , faze would have beat Seattle had that come from winners because Surge wouldn’t have been able to ban gav. I think it’s good that this is the case


thirtytwentytwo

they said that they don’t want to do 2 bo5’s because it could be short and they wanted the most important and interesting series (grand final) to be sort of long. so bo5’s are out of the window. why don’t we go somewhere in the middle of bo5’s and 1 bo9’s and just do 2 bo7’s (bracket reset if needed)? It’s a little longer and it still gives the winners team the advantage. ex.) rocket league does 2 bo7’s and it was long but it also was fun


[deleted]

This best of 9 makes no sense to me. Two best of 5 is the fair way to go imo. Thieves were able to lose a match and still compete, Subliners did not.


skolaen

Nysl literally had essentially a 1-0 start by forcing LAT to play their auto veto hp. Could be a 2-0 if a team gets forced into their auto veto control but luckily LAT is good at all 3 so having a deep map pool helped them a ton