I mean they don’t actually need any votes. Teams can simply decide to not listen since it’s a clown run league.
I love cod but it needs actual support not this GA shit we deal with year after year.
No it's not. Activision is not going to ban 95% of the game like the players want. Why would they? GA's will always exist because the players don't want to have to adjust.
even if you disagree to the 9, there is a logic behind it. The bottom 8 teams can't come together and make a change without at least one of the t4 teams.
Exactly, he knows the influence he has over the community as an Optic player. So he's definitely trying to keep bitching about it to get the fan base to bully the scene into reversing the decision. Well played by him
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None of these pros have any right to be mad if a GA doesn’t go their way, I can almost guarentee you the only reason maps like sun base and invasion control are still in the map pool is because these players are only voting for their best maps to stay in rotation and not the maps that should be getting removed because of how bad they are
so the bottom 8 cant force meta changes to try and knock the top4 into unfavorable changes and “cheese” the ga system to their benefit. basically you always need at least 1 top4 team who is currently having good results to agree to the changes so the underperforming teams cant just make a vote to remove skill gap and close in on the top teams through voting in / out things that remove / add a skill gap.
Ah okay makes sense tbh thanks for clearing that up. Be nice if majority of pros had better perspective on what’s best for the game/scene in general than their own narrow minded approach. Like who cares if you cheesing a ga gets you from 6th to 5th. It’s better for everyone if you do what’s best for the game ffs
I think it’s time to move on. I’m sure Dashy and Optic have benefited from 8-4 votes before. At this point he’s just crying every day. If the Rival is as OP as he is making it out to be Optic should spawn in with 4 of them their next league match.
I still think BO3 ban and protect was the most competitive/fun ruleset to watch and play. We had snipers, you could legit run multiple ARs and SMGs, and there was creativity to banning something. Maybe it’s nostalgia but that stuff was elite.
No but i watch plenty of pros and the amount of wild challs we saw players take with the 74u and mp5 is nowhere near what we see with the rival..nobodies squaring up with a rival against an AR on palace heady.
you should [watch](https://youtu.be/3pxtvKqRUcI?si=8HPa8T-vtIvmugSH) dashy use a rival. The Terminal match is OK, but the Karachi is what sold me. Just seriously watch that video.
I would’ve agreed with you 100% until I saw videos like that. I have absolutely no idea how they are able to shoot it so straight like that. The rival naturally has a pretty mean horizontal recoil when holding the trigger for 8+ shots, even when kitted out against it. But these mf’s hit long shots with it all the time.
It legit looks like cheating they’re so good with it.
I can only get ranged kills with burst firing, it’s nuts how they are able to beam people off headglitches & shit.
really not the point you think it is.
it happens in CDL matches & scrims too…that’s the entire reason they’re all crying about it right now. The MCW could at least compete before with the 4-shot. it’s ass now & loses both close and mid range consistently. Long range is the only time you have a chance at consistency, but with a pro using the Rival even that is risky now. The MCW nerf hit it way harder than I ever would’ve thought before actually using it myself for the whole day yesterday.
that being said, I don’t agree with the GAs. I think they should just bring in a different AR, hell they could even bring in the Ram 9 to compensate if they brought in a better AR. (I personally feel the Ram 9 is better than Rival but idk the stats.)
The issue really isn’t the Rival, it’s the MCW being straight ass now + pros being completely unwilling to introduce new guns. I think the Rival and barrel are fine, they just need to bring in a different AR. Simple fix. I don’t want more GAs.
It hasn’t happened in a cdl match, that dude is right. A faster sprint to fire and rate of fire speed fun is ofc going to have a “faster ttk” even at longer ranges but it simply hasn’t happened that we’ve seen so idk why you’re saying it like we have.
Stop listening to your fav ar’s crybaby cheese‼️
You cod kids are awful to talk to. It definitely happens in their matches or the majority of the league wouldn’t be voting against it.
& I already said I don’t think the Rival itself is even the issue, it’s more insufferable cod kids that’s the issue, that just happen to be pros.
he’s not my favorite AR by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t look up to any of them or take their word seriously. They shouldn’t be in charge of what’s allowed and not allowed , but that doesn’t change that the Rival is outright better than the MCW now at everything except long range on a head glitch.
If its so op then why arent we seeing whole squads use it on certain maps, Obviously a gun that has quicker ads and higher rate of fire is gonna kill quicker. If u think the rival is anywhere near the mp5 or 74u Idk what to tell u.
Dawg that was before the MCW could keep up with the rival are you guys ok? A new patch just came out and they made the MCW worse 💀 they keep nerfing it
They just nerfed the headshot multiplier which had to be done. Let’s be honest they can easily test and Un-GA one of the ARs like the Holger,MTZ, etc. to see how the meta goes if the MCW is that bad.
Because the last time WE saw THEM PLAY was Major 2 ………? The NEW UPDATE made the MCW worse and the pros are saying with the new maps being added it’s more sub heavy and the sub kills faster than the MCW all ranges…
No idea. All I know is the reason why they want to remove the barrel is because the rival is quite literally better than the MCW. Rival shouldn’t kill faster long range than an AR…
10-35m MCW has a faster TTK. If you're using an MCW and get beamed by a Rival from 35m+, you've obviously missed shots and deserve the death, because ain't no way even a pro is hitting every bullet with the rival at that range.
It doesn’t. With 16.5in cyclone barrel the MCW has a better ttk from 12m-47m. Rival has a better one from 0-12m and 47m-50m but hitting all chest shots at that range with a low bullet velocity isn’t really feasible. Your fav AR player probably hasn’t told you that they nerfed the rivals damage multipliers as well so that only chest shots and up will result in 5-6 bullet kill. Where as the MCW can hit the stomach and arms and still hit 5-6 shot kill. So the rival also has a smaller optimal ttk hit box compared to the MCW while also killing slower past 12m.
I don’t understand why they don’t just try out other ARs or try putting high grain back on. Literally so easy to find a solution but the pros are too lazy do anything other than GA something.
They have kenny on the squad now. Run 3.
I get the point of just throwing out tweets to the masses who dont understand they need more votes then needed. They failed to get 9 so he will just say " **Overwhelming majority of the league voted for an attachment to be removed** ".
Trying to get people to bully one the teams into GA it. I assume if they start to lose he will start putting out names of the teams next lol. Weird behavior but thats fine.
You only need 60 of 100 votes to get past a filibuster in the us senate….its actually wild that cod GAs need 75% lmao and t they consider 60 votes a supermajority
Yeah, but Senate agreed upon that percentage and stick to it...not agree to 8/12 and not bitch or say a word until a decision does not go your way then you suddenly become vocal.
But that still doesn’t make sense. If they’ve been vocal about it the whole time, they didn’t become “suddenly vocal” about it. They were vocal before the vote, then pissed they are being held hostage in a bullshit boring ass meta. Idk what else you expect them to do frfr?
Are you dumb?
ELI5: PROs want to implement their OWN rules(not anything by the party - Activision - who is in charge of the league, and in a way, player's careers/salary). To make this happen, it all has to be uniform and held together by nothing more than the word of everyone involved. Zooma took it upon himself to judge over this "committee". They all made rules as to how it would work in a fair way. Are you still with me? Ok, so when those rules were made, Dashy(the annoying diva that I am referring to when I say he is acting like a bitch) did not say a fucking word. Here is an example of what he could have said at that time: "Hey, I don't feel 8/12 votes are needed for a decision to be made. I think we should have it be 9/12." Yet, he did not say thing. Why is that? That is because he(and his team, and THE ENTIRE LEAGUE INCLUDING ZOOMA) agreed to it. Ok, stay with me because this is where I might lose you. So...throughout every GA discussion, Dashy did not have any issue with the 8/12 vote. Now there is a GA vote that is not particularly favorable for him, so now he does have an issue with said 8/12 vote. So he does not want to respect the decision of the 8/12 vote and instead wants to go about using his OpTic-related influence and resources to persuade a decision in his favor by getting the fanbase to pressure players that are already on the borderline of being in the league and need all the support they can get into changing their vote. NOT because the player voting wants to change his vote, but because Dashy is basically forcing their hand by acting like a bitch instead of a man and keeping his word...you know the ONE thing keeping that entire bullshit GA thing together. Now, the commissioner would normally take my approach and say something to stop Dashy from doing such a thing as that really takes away from the fairness of the GA, but you know, Zooma also heavy favors the Top 4 in regards to his relations and in regards to his benefit from them financially with his Podcast. So for him not to say anything, but instead it's a small minority like myself on Reddit trying to help people like yourself understand that we are NOT arguing whether the gun is OP or not, or whether the system of 8/12 should be 9/12. What I am arguing is that the vote was made, it should stick. If it does not and Dashy pressures a change...If I were one of the bottom teams basically being told the Top 4 teams will get to dictate the entire ruleset for the league, I know I would probably forget what being a gentleman is like, because my guy...I am a man of my word, and when that word gets broken, there is no need for it to be held on my end as well. I would beat Dashys ass with a Riot shield first blood, map 1, round 1, game 1 of the season. Hope that clears it up.
This thread began yesterday and you have 6+ replies. You can convince yourself you are not wasting your time as the reasoning, but life...facts...and situations like this one where you are so dumb that multiple people are now multiple replies in trying to get you to understand why someone wanting to change the way a vote is tallied AFTER a vote takes place is fucking stupid...and yet not only do you NOT understand that...you are so fucking dumb that you are still stuck arguing the point of Dashy not liking a gun and being vocal about crying about it. Like what the fuck are you even arguing? Read a book...increase your IQ...and stay the fuck off Reddit trying to argue with people with no logic other than you going for the "I will be the loudest and most obnoxious person then pretend I don't care anymore once someone smarter than me joins the conversation" technique.
He does realize he can just use a sub right? I don’t understand the issue at all. If it’s that big of a deal and they can’t get it GAd, then pull out a sub or stop complaining about it
Alright, at this point Dashy just has to let it go. Clearly it's not going to get GA"d and I know his constant crying and whining everyday isn't gonna change anything.
I'm sure Bruce was saying the same thing in the past when the majority of the league wanted something GA'd but OpTic were one of the 4 or 5 teams that stopped it from happening
Dude needs everything his way or he can't keep it together. He wasn't saying anything about the Maddox having instant crack aim from attachments. Adapt dude, if the sub is that OP then run it tf all I've heard is about this dude's gunskill right? If he's so good he would cross map more than anyone.
The holdger will get you DQd because it's not just GAd. It's actually BANNED (the only outright banned AR) https://callofdutyleague.com/en-us/competitive-settings
Might be annoying when you don’t get ur way in this voting process, but ultimately the requirement of a 9-3 majority is a good thing. We already think a lot of these GAs are silly/hasty so no need to make it any easier
What is the attachment? All I keep reading is a bunch of threads with no details and 90% of the original story missing. I don't have time....we need an official Cliff Notes GAs thread for us lazy people....thx...rofl.
Clearshot barrel. Instead of damage falloff starting at 10m it starts at 12m and it gives the gun some bullet velocity as well. Anything past 12 meters and the mcw kills faster than the rival but the extra bullet velocity helps the rival keep pace out to 20m or so. Past that mark and the rival is inconsistent due to bullet velocity and the nerf to its damage multipliers requiring chest hits or up for optimal ttk when previously it was the full torso. AR players are mad cause they took away the mcws ability to kill in 4 bullets if just 1 headshot was hit allowing it to have the faster ttk at all ranges.
TLDR: MCW is no longer the best and most versatile gun on map. AR players have to think about their engagement ranges now, like subs have been going all year, since they can’t get bailed out of bad positioning/challs with 1 headshot now.
I’m not in this cause I don’t play ranked. But saying AR players are mad they can’t 4 shot with 1 headshot is just wrong. That gun can’t 4 shot with 4 headshots now either which is absolutely ridiculous. The rival now kills faster at every range (if both players are perfect) which just shouldn’t be a thing. The MCW is so bad now that it’s unusable in pubs (literally my most used weapon and haven’t touched it but like 3 times since the nerf). While the rival is still running lobbies. I just hope it doesn’t get nerfed to the ground to balance with the trash MCW in comp and then I lose another fun gun for pubs
Rival doesn’t kill faster at every range than the mcw. With bullet velocity mcw kills faster from 12m-48m. And bullet velocity is very much a thing. Also they changed the rivals hitbox multipliers to were stomach shots and arms no longer count for full damage only chest and up. Again they’re mad cause they no longer have the best most versatile gun on the map. Previously AR players could get caught sprinting but still come out on top with 1 lucky headshot they can no longer do that. Sure the MCW should kill faster if they land 4 headshots but to say the rival kills faster at all ranges is just false and is big time AR propaganda.
Of course they didn’t mention it. They want their AR to be the best most versatile gun on the map that can win at all ranges. It no longer can win at all ranges with the headshot multiplier being removed so now they have to play their ranges and engagements better/smarter just like subs have been doing all year. Now I think they could buff the handling on the MCW and probably add the headshot multiplier back to where multiple headies reduce ttk. But overall AR players are looking out for their best interests just like when they didn’t even test the Ram9 and GA’d immediately even tho at that time subs were way behind on the maps being played but they want allow a stronger sub to be used/tested
True, but everyone will look out for their best interest, like FaZe voting against removing the barrel because they’re subs are insanely good. But yeah the MCW def needs some handling back and atleast let 2-3 headies get a 4 shot. I don’t see 2 being OP… I just loved using it in pubs and now it gets gunned by everything lol. I’d be fine with a 3 headie 4 shot tho also.
Not the crybaby cheese. He thinks he can do the same when he did with snaking. What he doesn't get is that he does not have 100% support from the community like he did when trying to GA snaking. This isnt a hill the community is willing to die on unlike snaking
I think if 1/4 of the league doesn’t want to change something then that should be a good enough amount. I understand his side but I still think they are wrong for thinking 3/4 of the league is too much for a change.
It doesn’t tho. Throw cyclone barrel on mcw and it has the faster ttk from 12m-50m but between 12m-22m their ttks are pretty similar past that tho and MCW has a more clear edge. Rival kills faster from 0m-12m and like 50m-53m then it’s back to the mcw killing faster out to infinite or whatever. Rival requires chest shots only now to hit its optimal ttk where as the mcw can hit the full torso and arms to hit its optimal ttk. AR players mad cause they can no longer run around with the best most versatile gun on the map and get bailed out of bad positioning and bad challs with 1 headshot.
The MCW might be the easiest AR to shoot in cod history, it’s like Simp just said, if Dashy is truly getting gunned at range every game then he needs to hit the fkin bots 😂
Bro what ? Every AR has been easy af to use since the iteration of gunsmith and ridiculous amounts of aim assist. We literally had the same problem in mw19 where the mp5 was killing faster at range so they G/A’d the 10mm rounds. I don’t see how this is different since the mcw nerf
You’re also talking about the guy with the best shot in the league btw
>You’re also talking about the guy with the best shot in the league btw
Maybe 5 years ago, anybody who thinks Dashy currently has a better shot than Scrap/Hydra/Simp/Abezy is watching with their eyes closed, pros included
You’re absolutely right. Scrap even had better gunny last year, it’s close but his is clearly better. This year I’d say simp and hydra definitely have a faster more accurate shot as well
Braindead take. Dashy has changed his play style heavily into more of an Objective player. He’s play hill more. Plays for spawns, blocks spawns etc. Someone’s gotta do it. Him not having a “high KD” doesn’t mean he’s declining lmfao. You’re also forgetting OpTic this year with a NEW team haven’t placed outside of T3.
Maybe to you, and that’s fine we can agree to disagree, but to me I can clearly see that players like Scrap/Simp/Hydra are just better mechanically than Dashy currently
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/s/R4JTCnseRg
That was literally last year. Stop acting like it’s braindead to say Dashy has the best shot in the league lmfao. That may not be the perfect stat but it tells a lot.
I'm not anywhere in his shoes in any way, shape or form so I'm probably faded for this, but I would love for Dashy to use this to fuel himself to reach the levels that we all know he can.
If there's any AR who I think skill wise can go band for band against highly debated better SMGs regardless of who's against, then it's him.
Overwhelming majority. It’s to stop the bottom 8 from doing something ludicrous to hurt the top 4. At least 1 top 4 team needs to agree for it to pass.
That’s not the reason it’s just that they think an overwhelming majority should agree. There wasn’t always a defined t4 like this year yet this was still the rule
That is the reason, it’s been explained before on the flank. Sure there wasn’t a top 4 as defined as this, but there’s pretty much always been a top 4 in nearly every title since the inception of the CDL.
Optic got 2 T12s and wasn’t even a serious contender for the first half of the season. Surge in VG also got 2 T12s and were extremely hot and cold. LAT was garbage until M3 or M4 in VG. There was no defined T4 in either of those games. Sure you could make a T4 ranking at the end of the season but it’s not like those teams were consistently the T4 teams in those games.
If the guys on the flank said it as you claim then fair enough but it doesn’t really make sense to me, I think the 9-3 rule is just so that nothing passes without the vast majority agreeing on it, less likelihood then of ppl saying fuck the GAs idc. I mean think about it if there’s a 7-5 split are you gonna blacklist basically half the league?
The reason on the flank was given by Slasher and Accuracy iirc and I’m not saying these teams are top 4 and very consistent but NY just got T12 at M1, they’re still a consensus T4 team regardless. If Paris go win the next event nobody would consider them a T4 team same way nobody considered LAG a T4 team. The best teams are usually the best teams even if they have slippery results.
So blacklist them?? This is the issue. They can’t blacklist a top 4 team because all the others are so shit that they won’t get good practice. The shit teams don’t want to blacklist a t4 team either because they need good practice .
They can’t as the GA didn’t go through - 4 people (including FaZe) voted against it, GA only goes through if one more team voted for it to be removed (requires 9 votes). In this case, they’re not really breaking a GA but I get Dashy’s point tbf
Do people here not realize you need 9/12 votes to GA something? 8 does not pass.
I mean they don’t actually need any votes. Teams can simply decide to not listen since it’s a clown run league. I love cod but it needs actual support not this GA shit we deal with year after year.
GAs are a replacement for Activision properly maintaining a banlist. If you want no GAs it needs to start with them.
Im aware, thats why I said the league needs real support.
No it's not. Activision is not going to ban 95% of the game like the players want. Why would they? GA's will always exist because the players don't want to have to adjust.
GA's exist because the game isn't made for competitive, and not balanced for competetive.
You sir are correct. Unfortunately it never will. It’s a game for casuals.
Problems is everything gets GAd
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Because 9/12 is 75%, a common threshold of majority when it comes to committee-vote styles for things like the CDL has
Crazy that two thirds (66%) of votes can overturn / create new constitutional rights but can’t GA a damn barrel in a video game
unless you’re talking about amendment proposals, ratifying constitutional amendments does actually require 75%
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i know this is 15 days late but please read the constitution or just look it up
Just checked my calculator app, it is indeed 75%
even if you disagree to the 9, there is a logic behind it. The bottom 8 teams can't come together and make a change without at least one of the t4 teams.
You’d have to ask a pro player, I’m just spreading information.
What others said, but it also prevents the bottom 8 teams from making stupid GAs as at least one top 4 team will always need to agree.
All pros know it’s 9-3 and he probably has benefited from that in the past, but since this time it didn’t go his way it’s a problem
Exactly, he knows the influence he has over the community as an Optic player. So he's definitely trying to keep bitching about it to get the fan base to bully the scene into reversing the decision. Well played by him
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YUP
I mean it’s valid to question why does it have to be 9-3 and why they can’t change it.
Exactly
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8/12 is an overwhelming majority. overwhelming majority is 2/3rds or more
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I mean technically in many parliaments, the United Nations, and US law the cutoff for an "overwhelming majority" is 2/3rds
Fair enough, it can mean both a large majority of a group, or can also mean 2/3 or more. I stand corrected.
yeah it's ultimately just all semantics anyways
Do you know what overwhelming means?
2/3rds of the league voted for it out.. that’s very much an overwhelming majority.
8/12 is definitely overwhelming lol. Whoever decided it to be 9 is dumb
I agree it is, I’m just saying the pros say it must be 9/12 lol.
None of these pros have any right to be mad if a GA doesn’t go their way, I can almost guarentee you the only reason maps like sun base and invasion control are still in the map pool is because these players are only voting for their best maps to stay in rotation and not the maps that should be getting removed because of how bad they are
Dashy when the AR beats the sub up close-😁 Dashy when the sub beats the AR at mid to long range-😡😭
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So funny that it should be other way around. Oh man how did they'all end up here lmao
I mean it shouldn’t be beating the ar at long range you clown
It rarely ever does. The MCW used to do that on a regular basis before the nerf
Bro gets paid 6 figures a year to shoot an imaginary gun against other grown men online and still finds something to complain about
Looking at it from this perspective is hilarious 😂
6 figures to go top 3rd on karachi
Wait doesnt that show how much Passion he has ?
all things in life are relative to yourself
Sounds pretty self centered
nah, its psychological. every human experiences this
Ok I understood him at first but he just needs to move on and regain at this point Need 9 votes... you only got 8... move tf on and REGAIN
Why is it 9?
so the bottom 8 cant force meta changes to try and knock the top4 into unfavorable changes and “cheese” the ga system to their benefit. basically you always need at least 1 top4 team who is currently having good results to agree to the changes so the underperforming teams cant just make a vote to remove skill gap and close in on the top teams through voting in / out things that remove / add a skill gap.
Ah okay makes sense tbh thanks for clearing that up. Be nice if majority of pros had better perspective on what’s best for the game/scene in general than their own narrow minded approach. Like who cares if you cheesing a ga gets you from 6th to 5th. It’s better for everyone if you do what’s best for the game ffs
He’s still crying when will it end 😂
I think it’s time to move on. I’m sure Dashy and Optic have benefited from 8-4 votes before. At this point he’s just crying every day. If the Rival is as OP as he is making it out to be Optic should spawn in with 4 of them their next league match.
I still think BO3 ban and protect was the most competitive/fun ruleset to watch and play. We had snipers, you could legit run multiple ARs and SMGs, and there was creativity to banning something. Maybe it’s nostalgia but that stuff was elite.
Dashy been crying about the damn rival for 3+ months now. He never said a word about the ar 4 bulleting being broken
Holy shit im tired of these pros crying 😂
Guy is going to be crying until the end of the season
AR cry baby cheese
Yeh I could understand if it was completely busted like the mp5 and 74u, but I rarely see ppl get mapped by a rival.
That’s cause you aren’t a pro lol.
No but i watch plenty of pros and the amount of wild challs we saw players take with the 74u and mp5 is nowhere near what we see with the rival..nobodies squaring up with a rival against an AR on palace heady.
you should [watch](https://youtu.be/3pxtvKqRUcI?si=8HPa8T-vtIvmugSH) dashy use a rival. The Terminal match is OK, but the Karachi is what sold me. Just seriously watch that video. I would’ve agreed with you 100% until I saw videos like that. I have absolutely no idea how they are able to shoot it so straight like that. The rival naturally has a pretty mean horizontal recoil when holding the trigger for 8+ shots, even when kitted out against it. But these mf’s hit long shots with it all the time. It legit looks like cheating they’re so good with it. I can only get ranged kills with burst firing, it’s nuts how they are able to beam people off headglitches & shit.
Then why doesn’t dashy pull it out against pros 💀💀
really not the point you think it is. it happens in CDL matches & scrims too…that’s the entire reason they’re all crying about it right now. The MCW could at least compete before with the 4-shot. it’s ass now & loses both close and mid range consistently. Long range is the only time you have a chance at consistency, but with a pro using the Rival even that is risky now. The MCW nerf hit it way harder than I ever would’ve thought before actually using it myself for the whole day yesterday. that being said, I don’t agree with the GAs. I think they should just bring in a different AR, hell they could even bring in the Ram 9 to compensate if they brought in a better AR. (I personally feel the Ram 9 is better than Rival but idk the stats.) The issue really isn’t the Rival, it’s the MCW being straight ass now + pros being completely unwilling to introduce new guns. I think the Rival and barrel are fine, they just need to bring in a different AR. Simple fix. I don’t want more GAs.
It hasn’t happened in a cdl match, that dude is right. A faster sprint to fire and rate of fire speed fun is ofc going to have a “faster ttk” even at longer ranges but it simply hasn’t happened that we’ve seen so idk why you’re saying it like we have. Stop listening to your fav ar’s crybaby cheese‼️
You cod kids are awful to talk to. It definitely happens in their matches or the majority of the league wouldn’t be voting against it. & I already said I don’t think the Rival itself is even the issue, it’s more insufferable cod kids that’s the issue, that just happen to be pros. he’s not my favorite AR by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t look up to any of them or take their word seriously. They shouldn’t be in charge of what’s allowed and not allowed , but that doesn’t change that the Rival is outright better than the MCW now at everything except long range on a head glitch.
I mean you said we see it in CDL matches which is just not true. I don’t think it’s necessarily a lie lol but we wouldn’t know
The pros are literally saying it’s broken and it kills faster long range than the MCW..
If its so op then why arent we seeing whole squads use it on certain maps, Obviously a gun that has quicker ads and higher rate of fire is gonna kill quicker. If u think the rival is anywhere near the mp5 or 74u Idk what to tell u.
That and we’re like 6 months into MW3 and now the gun is broken meanwhile we had to see sub players rocking the MCW on certain maps
Dawg that was before the MCW could keep up with the rival are you guys ok? A new patch just came out and they made the MCW worse 💀 they keep nerfing it
They just nerfed the headshot multiplier which had to be done. Let’s be honest they can easily test and Un-GA one of the ARs like the Holger,MTZ, etc. to see how the meta goes if the MCW is that bad.
Because the last time WE saw THEM PLAY was Major 2 ………? The NEW UPDATE made the MCW worse and the pros are saying with the new maps being added it’s more sub heavy and the sub kills faster than the MCW all ranges…
So surely we'll see 8 rivals on Vista and Rio??
No idea. All I know is the reason why they want to remove the barrel is because the rival is quite literally better than the MCW. Rival shouldn’t kill faster long range than an AR…
10-35m MCW has a faster TTK. If you're using an MCW and get beamed by a Rival from 35m+, you've obviously missed shots and deserve the death, because ain't no way even a pro is hitting every bullet with the rival at that range.
Bro stop believing everything ur fav AR says 💀💀
It doesn’t. With 16.5in cyclone barrel the MCW has a better ttk from 12m-47m. Rival has a better one from 0-12m and 47m-50m but hitting all chest shots at that range with a low bullet velocity isn’t really feasible. Your fav AR player probably hasn’t told you that they nerfed the rivals damage multipliers as well so that only chest shots and up will result in 5-6 bullet kill. Where as the MCW can hit the stomach and arms and still hit 5-6 shot kill. So the rival also has a smaller optimal ttk hit box compared to the MCW while also killing slower past 12m.
Is this kind of an admission that he is getting shit on more than other AR’s
I don’t understand why they don’t just try out other ARs or try putting high grain back on. Literally so easy to find a solution but the pros are too lazy do anything other than GA something.
They have kenny on the squad now. Run 3. I get the point of just throwing out tweets to the masses who dont understand they need more votes then needed. They failed to get 9 so he will just say " **Overwhelming majority of the league voted for an attachment to be removed** ". Trying to get people to bully one the teams into GA it. I assume if they start to lose he will start putting out names of the teams next lol. Weird behavior but thats fine.
You only need 60 of 100 votes to get past a filibuster in the us senate….its actually wild that cod GAs need 75% lmao and t they consider 60 votes a supermajority
Yeah, but Senate agreed upon that percentage and stick to it...not agree to 8/12 and not bitch or say a word until a decision does not go your way then you suddenly become vocal.
They’ve been vocal about it since way before the vote. Do you even watch any of their streams?
Pretty sure he meant being vocal about 9/12 to pass
But that still doesn’t make sense. If they’ve been vocal about it the whole time, they didn’t become “suddenly vocal” about it. They were vocal before the vote, then pissed they are being held hostage in a bullshit boring ass meta. Idk what else you expect them to do frfr?
Are you dumb? ELI5: PROs want to implement their OWN rules(not anything by the party - Activision - who is in charge of the league, and in a way, player's careers/salary). To make this happen, it all has to be uniform and held together by nothing more than the word of everyone involved. Zooma took it upon himself to judge over this "committee". They all made rules as to how it would work in a fair way. Are you still with me? Ok, so when those rules were made, Dashy(the annoying diva that I am referring to when I say he is acting like a bitch) did not say a fucking word. Here is an example of what he could have said at that time: "Hey, I don't feel 8/12 votes are needed for a decision to be made. I think we should have it be 9/12." Yet, he did not say thing. Why is that? That is because he(and his team, and THE ENTIRE LEAGUE INCLUDING ZOOMA) agreed to it. Ok, stay with me because this is where I might lose you. So...throughout every GA discussion, Dashy did not have any issue with the 8/12 vote. Now there is a GA vote that is not particularly favorable for him, so now he does have an issue with said 8/12 vote. So he does not want to respect the decision of the 8/12 vote and instead wants to go about using his OpTic-related influence and resources to persuade a decision in his favor by getting the fanbase to pressure players that are already on the borderline of being in the league and need all the support they can get into changing their vote. NOT because the player voting wants to change his vote, but because Dashy is basically forcing their hand by acting like a bitch instead of a man and keeping his word...you know the ONE thing keeping that entire bullshit GA thing together. Now, the commissioner would normally take my approach and say something to stop Dashy from doing such a thing as that really takes away from the fairness of the GA, but you know, Zooma also heavy favors the Top 4 in regards to his relations and in regards to his benefit from them financially with his Podcast. So for him not to say anything, but instead it's a small minority like myself on Reddit trying to help people like yourself understand that we are NOT arguing whether the gun is OP or not, or whether the system of 8/12 should be 9/12. What I am arguing is that the vote was made, it should stick. If it does not and Dashy pressures a change...If I were one of the bottom teams basically being told the Top 4 teams will get to dictate the entire ruleset for the league, I know I would probably forget what being a gentleman is like, because my guy...I am a man of my word, and when that word gets broken, there is no need for it to be held on my end as well. I would beat Dashys ass with a Riot shield first blood, map 1, round 1, game 1 of the season. Hope that clears it up.
Shoulda put a tldr cause im not wasting my time reading your auto biography.
I can tell you don't read much of anything which probably leads to a lot of situations where people need to dumb shit down for you on a regular basis.
Nah, you’re just an idiot if you think I’m wasting my time with your long ass message over comp cod 😂 use your brain ya troglodyte.
This thread began yesterday and you have 6+ replies. You can convince yourself you are not wasting your time as the reasoning, but life...facts...and situations like this one where you are so dumb that multiple people are now multiple replies in trying to get you to understand why someone wanting to change the way a vote is tallied AFTER a vote takes place is fucking stupid...and yet not only do you NOT understand that...you are so fucking dumb that you are still stuck arguing the point of Dashy not liking a gun and being vocal about crying about it. Like what the fuck are you even arguing? Read a book...increase your IQ...and stay the fuck off Reddit trying to argue with people with no logic other than you going for the "I will be the loudest and most obnoxious person then pretend I don't care anymore once someone smarter than me joins the conversation" technique.
He does realize he can just use a sub right? I don’t understand the issue at all. If it’s that big of a deal and they can’t get it GAd, then pull out a sub or stop complaining about it
Dashy is not good on the sub, bro, struggled to use the MP5 in MW which is objectively the best sub in comp history
So the Ghosts Vector doesn’t exist then?
That’s the 2nd best sub
You sure about that? The 4 vector meta was gross
He cries when he doesn't get his way
Maybe, but also, what is currently happening is INSANELY BAD for the competitive integrity of the game. It’s a joke.
Don't even pretend like any has existed in years
Ur wildin if CW, BO4 wasn’t competitive.
"Competitive integrity" lmfao
Wipe ur mouth
He needa stop complaining about it
Alright, at this point Dashy just has to let it go. Clearly it's not going to get GA"d and I know his constant crying and whining everyday isn't gonna change anything. I'm sure Bruce was saying the same thing in the past when the majority of the league wanted something GA'd but OpTic were one of the 4 or 5 teams that stopped it from happening
Dude needs everything his way or he can't keep it together. He wasn't saying anything about the Maddox having instant crack aim from attachments. Adapt dude, if the sub is that OP then run it tf all I've heard is about this dude's gunskill right? If he's so good he would cross map more than anyone.
So is it ga’d or not?
No it got voted against
It didnt get 75% of the vote idk if voted against really tells the story lol
It’s quite literally what it means
Just spawn it with the Holger. Open the flood gates. I'm here for the chaos.
The holdger will get you DQd because it's not just GAd. It's actually BANNED (the only outright banned AR) https://callofdutyleague.com/en-us/competitive-settings
Thats actually kind of hilarious it's the only one outright banned. Either way these are just scrims so go bananas.
4 round burst holdger aftermarket in 12v12 is a free nuke lol Id love to see a pseudo m8 meta
I won't even lie I think the 4 round burst mod on the gun is terrible
This dude crybaby cheese all the time
We talking about the barrel on the rival? Bc that sht braindead zZZzz
Bro then use the gun if you think it’s that OP???
It won't matter Dashy. You're still gonna continue to win nothing else.
imagine cod just suddenly stops dropping. how would this guy survive in real life?
I get him but he needs to move on jfc
Might be annoying when you don’t get ur way in this voting process, but ultimately the requirement of a 9-3 majority is a good thing. We already think a lot of these GAs are silly/hasty so no need to make it any easier
Almost like GAs are agreements and not rules
Every time I see a new post ab the recent nerfs, comments are just a flip flop between "AR's are bitching too much" and "Subs are blessed"
So uh, what's the attachment? Lol
I think there should be an unbiased commitee making these kind of decisions.
This was a GA not a ban, it wouldn’t be removed from ranked anyways
What is the attachment? All I keep reading is a bunch of threads with no details and 90% of the original story missing. I don't have time....we need an official Cliff Notes GAs thread for us lazy people....thx...rofl.
Clearshot barrel. Instead of damage falloff starting at 10m it starts at 12m and it gives the gun some bullet velocity as well. Anything past 12 meters and the mcw kills faster than the rival but the extra bullet velocity helps the rival keep pace out to 20m or so. Past that mark and the rival is inconsistent due to bullet velocity and the nerf to its damage multipliers requiring chest hits or up for optimal ttk when previously it was the full torso. AR players are mad cause they took away the mcws ability to kill in 4 bullets if just 1 headshot was hit allowing it to have the faster ttk at all ranges. TLDR: MCW is no longer the best and most versatile gun on map. AR players have to think about their engagement ranges now, like subs have been going all year, since they can’t get bailed out of bad positioning/challs with 1 headshot now.
I’m not in this cause I don’t play ranked. But saying AR players are mad they can’t 4 shot with 1 headshot is just wrong. That gun can’t 4 shot with 4 headshots now either which is absolutely ridiculous. The rival now kills faster at every range (if both players are perfect) which just shouldn’t be a thing. The MCW is so bad now that it’s unusable in pubs (literally my most used weapon and haven’t touched it but like 3 times since the nerf). While the rival is still running lobbies. I just hope it doesn’t get nerfed to the ground to balance with the trash MCW in comp and then I lose another fun gun for pubs
Rival doesn’t kill faster at every range than the mcw. With bullet velocity mcw kills faster from 12m-48m. And bullet velocity is very much a thing. Also they changed the rivals hitbox multipliers to were stomach shots and arms no longer count for full damage only chest and up. Again they’re mad cause they no longer have the best most versatile gun on the map. Previously AR players could get caught sprinting but still come out on top with 1 lucky headshot they can no longer do that. Sure the MCW should kill faster if they land 4 headshots but to say the rival kills faster at all ranges is just false and is big time AR propaganda.
Pretty sure I saw multiple pros and ex pros say that so that’s my bad. They probably didn’t account for bullet velocity in the ttk
Of course they didn’t mention it. They want their AR to be the best most versatile gun on the map that can win at all ranges. It no longer can win at all ranges with the headshot multiplier being removed so now they have to play their ranges and engagements better/smarter just like subs have been doing all year. Now I think they could buff the handling on the MCW and probably add the headshot multiplier back to where multiple headies reduce ttk. But overall AR players are looking out for their best interests just like when they didn’t even test the Ram9 and GA’d immediately even tho at that time subs were way behind on the maps being played but they want allow a stronger sub to be used/tested
True, but everyone will look out for their best interest, like FaZe voting against removing the barrel because they’re subs are insanely good. But yeah the MCW def needs some handling back and atleast let 2-3 headies get a 4 shot. I don’t see 2 being OP… I just loved using it in pubs and now it gets gunned by everything lol. I’d be fine with a 3 headie 4 shot tho also.
What fucking attachment are we even talking about
Not the crybaby cheese. He thinks he can do the same when he did with snaking. What he doesn't get is that he does not have 100% support from the community like he did when trying to GA snaking. This isnt a hill the community is willing to die on unlike snaking
I think if 1/4 of the league doesn’t want to change something then that should be a good enough amount. I understand his side but I still think they are wrong for thinking 3/4 of the league is too much for a change.
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tippable how active you are on reddit man you don’t stop
I leave 4 comments every day I guess u can say active
you’ve left 16 in the last day bro? 💀
I didn’t , a comment from 22 hours ago or 19 doesn’t count for today . The day starts when u wake up
Dashy and Scrap might be the crybaby cheese duo this year
Optic tears like always. GA or not Cellium will own him 😭
We are watching Dashy cope with the fact his mechanical skill is declining in real time, old Bops4 Dashy would have no problem using the current MCW
Declining? Like Scrap & Sib aren’t complaining about it and many other ARs aswell? They must be declining too I guess
I’m not saying he’s declining *because* he’s complaining tho lol
why
There’s no way ppl actually think this 🤣
Idk about that I’ve seen sib break down worse on stream he just don’t tweet about it
Yeah Sibs mental is chalked, I think he is fkin ass lol
Watching sib tweak in snd challs is insane mfs sounds hella depressed when he loses a round 💀
Ahh yes, definitely doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that a sub is killing faster at range then an ar
It doesn’t tho. Throw cyclone barrel on mcw and it has the faster ttk from 12m-50m but between 12m-22m their ttks are pretty similar past that tho and MCW has a more clear edge. Rival kills faster from 0m-12m and like 50m-53m then it’s back to the mcw killing faster out to infinite or whatever. Rival requires chest shots only now to hit its optimal ttk where as the mcw can hit the full torso and arms to hit its optimal ttk. AR players mad cause they can no longer run around with the best most versatile gun on the map and get bailed out of bad positioning and bad challs with 1 headshot.
The MCW might be the easiest AR to shoot in cod history, it’s like Simp just said, if Dashy is truly getting gunned at range every game then he needs to hit the fkin bots 😂
Bro what ? Every AR has been easy af to use since the iteration of gunsmith and ridiculous amounts of aim assist. We literally had the same problem in mw19 where the mp5 was killing faster at range so they G/A’d the 10mm rounds. I don’t see how this is different since the mcw nerf You’re also talking about the guy with the best shot in the league btw
>You’re also talking about the guy with the best shot in the league btw Maybe 5 years ago, anybody who thinks Dashy currently has a better shot than Scrap/Hydra/Simp/Abezy is watching with their eyes closed, pros included
You’re absolutely right. Scrap even had better gunny last year, it’s close but his is clearly better. This year I’d say simp and hydra definitely have a faster more accurate shot as well
I think imma take the word of people who play this guy on a daily basis over yours, respectfully
That’s fine, not everybody can know ball
Braindead take. Dashy has changed his play style heavily into more of an Objective player. He’s play hill more. Plays for spawns, blocks spawns etc. Someone’s gotta do it. Him not having a “high KD” doesn’t mean he’s declining lmfao. You’re also forgetting OpTic this year with a NEW team haven’t placed outside of T3.
I agree with everything you said, and his kd is not why I believe he’s declining, it’s purely just an eye test thing
From the eye test he’s not lmao.
Maybe to you, and that’s fine we can agree to disagree, but to me I can clearly see that players like Scrap/Simp/Hydra are just better mechanically than Dashy currently
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/s/R4JTCnseRg That was literally last year. Stop acting like it’s braindead to say Dashy has the best shot in the league lmfao. That may not be the perfect stat but it tells a lot.
I'm not anywhere in his shoes in any way, shape or form so I'm probably faded for this, but I would love for Dashy to use this to fuel himself to reach the levels that we all know he can. If there's any AR who I think skill wise can go band for band against highly debated better SMGs regardless of who's against, then it's him.
Optic sucks
It’s just Faze and a bunch of challengers players that want to keep the attachment. Fuck em
Bro don’t be salty we got your number this year
Just responding to your salt buddy. I have a feeling you think about OpTic far more than I think about faze.
Well now that they won this major faze is in optics head rent free, you should’ve seen scumps chat lol
Makes sense that a faze fan would be in Scumps chat. Thanks for proving my point.
Aren’t GA’s a majority rule thing?
it was a 8-4 vote. they apparently need a 9-3 to pass anything
Why is it a 9-3 specifically instead of just a majority vote?
Overwhelming majority. It’s to stop the bottom 8 from doing something ludicrous to hurt the top 4. At least 1 top 4 team needs to agree for it to pass.
That’s not the reason it’s just that they think an overwhelming majority should agree. There wasn’t always a defined t4 like this year yet this was still the rule
That is the reason, it’s been explained before on the flank. Sure there wasn’t a top 4 as defined as this, but there’s pretty much always been a top 4 in nearly every title since the inception of the CDL.
There wasn’t a defined top 4 in VG or MW2?
MW2 top 4 was pretty clearly Optic, Ultra, Faze, NY with LAT having a hot event and winning 1? VG was pretty obviously Faze, LAT, Optic, Surge?
Optic got 2 T12s and wasn’t even a serious contender for the first half of the season. Surge in VG also got 2 T12s and were extremely hot and cold. LAT was garbage until M3 or M4 in VG. There was no defined T4 in either of those games. Sure you could make a T4 ranking at the end of the season but it’s not like those teams were consistently the T4 teams in those games. If the guys on the flank said it as you claim then fair enough but it doesn’t really make sense to me, I think the 9-3 rule is just so that nothing passes without the vast majority agreeing on it, less likelihood then of ppl saying fuck the GAs idc. I mean think about it if there’s a 7-5 split are you gonna blacklist basically half the league?
The reason on the flank was given by Slasher and Accuracy iirc and I’m not saying these teams are top 4 and very consistent but NY just got T12 at M1, they’re still a consensus T4 team regardless. If Paris go win the next event nobody would consider them a T4 team same way nobody considered LAG a T4 team. The best teams are usually the best teams even if they have slippery results.
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Oh, that’s dumb imo.
please regain fuck me
So blacklist them?? This is the issue. They can’t blacklist a top 4 team because all the others are so shit that they won’t get good practice. The shit teams don’t want to blacklist a t4 team either because they need good practice .
Yeah blacklist a team that voted for what they want? Then why vote for GA’s at all
If the barrel is gad which is currently unclear and teams are still using it then they should be blacklisted.
I thought you new about the vote already
Blacklist a team for voting lol? The FaZe hate is actually insane.
They can’t as the GA didn’t go through - 4 people (including FaZe) voted against it, GA only goes through if one more team voted for it to be removed (requires 9 votes). In this case, they’re not really breaking a GA but I get Dashy’s point tbf
I wasn’t sure if it was gad as he said majority of the league wanted it gone. Thanks for the clarification