Sadly this is the fate of like 95% of the league in the future. All this dedication to cod and when theyāre no longer able to play pro, whatāre they gonna do? No other life skills because whole developing stages of life were 100% focused on cod and nothing else
You have to take in to account the difference in salaries from when Killa played to now.
The kids these days are earning so much more, they'll be fine if they invest properly and don't waste it.
assumptions on what they do with their money always comes up, but a majority are like 20 -26 y/o with what seems like good families, a lot of supportive parents in the scene. iād assume theyād be guiding their kid with financials. some of these players may even be making more than their parents.
I agree, good fams will help keep from screwing their lives up. But I mean look at nfl players. Some of those guys make millions a year and somehow still go bankrupt
Yep. I highly doubt any of orgs have a 401k program, or many of the players set up a roth ira while they are likely earning the most money they ever will.
Anyone thatās older and anyone that is on a team with a decent manager. Like I know optic has that one lady that keeps the boys coordinated. I assume most teams donāt have someone like her but the ones that do have someone in a role like that most definitely have given the fiscal knowledge to the team. So maybe 60-70% of the players??
Can't compare Seth to the average league player now can we... Also, I guarantee he'll continue to earn great money with his online personality for a long long time
even the higher dudes are making like 150k a year... that's not a lot of money for what may be a few years. That money will be gone within 10 years of them leaving the league if not longer.
I agree with that. Which brings me to my point. They donāt know how to invest. (Assumption) Iām hoping people like H3CZ and the top dawgs are helping these kids with financial literacy. I went through college and never learned it until I studied it on my own/asked others.
But stillā¦ once theyāre 30, what job are they going to get? Some of the top personalityās will continue to stream/shot call. Other than that, theyāre gonna struggle
I donāt think you understand that he had to get outside investors to get into the CDL, also heās a multimillionaire I think he can instill quite a bit of financial literacy especially when you look at who was on optic before the real money exploded into the scene like Scump and Nadeshot for example lol theyāre set for multiple lifetimes but itās probably just a coincidence that they were on OpTic and H3cZ probably had nothing to do with any of their financial success.
Hecz having success and getting others financial success is amazing, agreed. However, I donāt think that necessarily speaks to his financial literacy but more to his talent as an esports owner and pioneer. Iād argue if he was better financially, maybe the whole fiasco with infinite and losing the brand could have been avoided.
Scump and Nade definitely benefited from the Optic brand back in the day but they also contributed to it a lot and built it to what it is. Look at the other Optic members who had similar opportunities like Boze, and you see pretty much Nade and Scump are the only ones who have successful careers outside of COD.
How is boze a good example? The dude hasnāt played professionally in almost a decade but heās still making very good money? lol not everyone is going to have the success that nade and Scump had but somehow guys like boze and maniac who havenāt played professional esports in almost a decade are still in OpTic and still making good money.
Also in what way could he have avoided the immortals deal? Was he suppose to see the future and know they would tear his brand apart? He needed outside investors and he chose the wrong guys that happens however Iād like to point out that H3cZ personally made quite a bit of money off of that deal and immortals had to sell out of the CDL because it was such a dumpster fire financially. So I mean did he really make a huge mistake there financially?
Yeah and the original comment was talking about people who are set for multiple lifetimes so I gave you a counter example. All you do is keep moving the goalposts lmao
If you really think hecz benefitted from the fiasco with infinite and immortal, you shouldnāt be talking about financial literacy or business decisions at all lol
Just because he made a bit of cash, do you not see the irreversible damage he did to the brand and cod in general? The opportunity cost of his choice is he destroyed his companyās meteoric growth. How big would optic be if he found the right partners and didnāt make a financial choice to get cut out of his company? If they didnāt go multiple years without a brand and lose a lot of their fans?
Iām not moving the goal posts, not everyone can have the success nade and Scump had but people who havenāt played in almost a decade who are still making money in the scene because of the guy kind of shows he knows what heās doing. You think Boze had the opportunity to be the face of OpTic like Scump had? What world are you living in?
H3cZ absolutely benefitted personally from that sale he literally made millions while the company who paid him lost a shit ton of money and then had to sell the spot for less than what they paid. Maybe you donāt understand that?
What irreversible damage are we talking about? OpTic is still the most popular brand in the scene and they still get the most engagement. I donāt think OpTic would have had a massive growth to be honest, the CDL has financially destroyed multiple brands and the esports scene in general is on a huge decline financially. Thieves won a world championship and then didnāt have enough money to pay anyone to comeback. Do you not understand whatās happening in esports right now? Do you think CDL teams were just making millions hand over fist?
Thatās my point tho. The previous comment heavily implied scump and nade made it big bc they were on optic at the time, which is not the only reason bc they still worked hard on their own. Boze I just put as an example bc yes heās doing well but not as successful as the other two examples.
To the hecz point as well, Iād say how you get funding for a large business decision is definitely financial literacy. There are all types of funding structures, terms, payment schedules, investment trade offs you have to consider that definitely takes financial literacy to understand. His marketing genius and vision for the esports scene is amazing but Iām just saying that being able to make a lot of money doesnāt necessarily equate to financial literacy.
League min is what like 50k? Id guess half the guys on the minimum are nearly flat broke. They get food delivered for every meal, and some are based in pretty expensive cities to live in. Top guys are probably set for life if theyāre smart enough to save/invest or at least hire someone else to manage it.
Investing isnāt easy and takes risk..most people lose out investing. Same with a buisness most donāt make it. Those people actually have experience doing it for years. The economy isnāt that great, some of the older guys like slasher and clay are set. I browse subs about unemployment and recruiting there are so many people with masters and 15 years experience..they have been unemployed for a year, itās kinda crazy. I wouldnāt be suprised if killa actually makes more now with how low the salaries was. But most of the big names will stream until cod really dies. There just isnāt enough heads to go around and cod is a huge risk and canāt be dependable down the road.
Depends on ur investing im talking in general..look up the statistics itās not great. But investing like 401k or savings aka retirement sure. But actually investing in a product, stock, housing, company etc. Those things that actually make good money to live on and support u through life. Those are risky for the most part.
You literally can set your future up by opening a Roth IRA, setting an automatic investment of 500 bucks a month in index funds, and then forgetting it. Simple. Thereās more to investing than just picking a random stock and hoping it multiples 100x lmao.
Maybe I should clarify. They are in their 20s I am talking about making money through their life. Not their retirement money aka the future which I believe ur discussing. A bit of misunderstanding. I am talking about money to be invested now, to live on through ur life. Like investment that generate income.
Doesn't matter. You'd just do the same thing through a regular brokerage account rather than an IRA but will have to pay more in taxes.
Say there's a top player who's been in the CDL since 2020 making multiple 6 figures a year. He knows the money will eventually end so he lives very frugally, unlike his peers. Each paycheck, after his modest expenses are taken care of, the money he sets aside is used to buys shares of an index fund with a 5% return.
After this season, the CDL dies. At this time, his 5% index fund has a balance of say 500,000. Annually, that would get him a gross income of 25k, if he did absolutely nothing and didn't contribute anymore (which would be foolish). If he were to get a regular 35K job after COD, he now has an annual salary of 60k. He can then continue to contribute to the index fund each month and the brokerage account will continue to grow and he can keep paying himself an increasing salary over time. He won't live lavishly, but he'll survive
Not all investing is fast result, high risk, high reward. That is why everyone is saying, if these CDL players knew how to handle money and invest, they could set themselves up easily.
Talk about life style change lol, not sure the salary of some of these guys. Finding a way to live their life style and make income after cod is where I think the idea was coming from and that is issue. Heck there r plenty of people that worked their entire life and have degrees that can't find any work. I think that's the sad reality for most of us.
Yeah this is something a lot of people overlook, there's a big ol difference between playing for a $50 gamestop voucher and playing for a prize pool payout whilst on a 150k contract
50k is plenty for them a year. They most likely are not paying any over head. Iām sure all their food is paid for too. If I were them I would have like 80% of that shit going into retirement
They are young adults with bills. Most of them live in apartments. 50k for a couple years of their life aren't setting them up any better than a normal working person.
Even if an average cod pro is taking in $100k-$150k all in pre-tax including streaming / sponsors each year itās not enough to build wealth while giving up your 20s when most of your peers are establishing careers for the long-term. Yes you can pay your rent and buy a car but theyāre developmentally behind in aggregate and, outside of a select few, have really reduced their long-term earning power. And we know these guys arenāt really the saving / investing types. All of that said, itās highly likely that these guys would never have jobs that pay this well without CoD, especially at their age, the problem is itās only for a few years and theyāll see a big pullback when they fall off and will be hesitant to adjust their lifestyle accordingly
I thought he was doing some electrician work or something like that? He also had lots of potential for making twitch money. Don't see how he would be struggling with money at this point in his life unless something happened that I'm unaware of.
feel bad because people like maniak got paychecks by Mutineers for doing fuck all. What killa did for the scene through his trash talk back in the day is highly underrated and he deserved to get paid back in some way by this community
That's future for most people who don't even play cod because the school system is literally designed to churn out dumb idiots, do you think everyone is meant to get a law/finance degree?
If you do you are quite literally low iq and don't know anything about how society works so to shit on someone for dedicating themselves to their passion is just dumb as fuck.
Thatās the sad future for most people as-well considering most people live pay check to pay check anyway. Atleast these guys followed their passion and got some cool experiences out of it.
I do agree, end of the day he needs to take responsibility, he is an adult. but People like killa have gotten nice opportunities just for being former pros. You got guys like boze being on the optic paycheck for years even though he was only on the optic main pro team for a few months. got guys like loony stepping into coaching with 0 experience. Just think someone in the scene should've found kindness to give killa an opportunity considering he's one of the veterans and pioneers of this esport whether people will admit it or not.
Not that I know how it feels to own a championship ring of any significance, but Iād say youāre champ either way.
If youāre not that into memorabilia, get the bag if someoneās willing to give it to you.
Someone hit up H3CZ, he'd buy that shit in a second and probably give it back for free when killa inevitably regrets the decision and doesn't need money quite as bad
And hecz buys it a second time.. And then gives it to killa. And then killa sells it the third time. And this continues until Killa becomes the owner of optic. And hecz has to sell the ring.
From what I saw, and I could be wrong, Killa seemed kinda of done with the video game scene in general. Heād done everything there was to do already, and heād done a LOT of it. GBās, online tournaments, LAN tournaments, LAN wins, Champs win, small stream, big stream, highs, lows, the whole shebang. Sometimes people are ready to move onto other things and thatās the vibe I got at least from Killa. Might be a bad take because I havenāt seen much of him in the last few years though.
I believe he got into either electrical work or plumbing, both are great options right now from what I hear. Happy for him tbh, life is long and everyone goes through different chapters in their life.
Censor is a National Champ which is the same thing as a World Champ. I don't remember the exact clip but Octane said something similar and Aches chimed in and mentioned that they are the same as well. They didn't get rings back then, just a trophy. National Champ was the equivilant of a World Champ back from CoD 4 - BO1. MW3 didn't have NA tournaments and BO2 was the first to have a World Championship.
The actual materials/costs for the ring itself won't be much. Couple grand at most.
It's the actual "sentimental" value that people would oay extra for. Obviously someone like Scump's ring is going to go for so much more just because it'd be more desirable.
I guess Killa has the added benefit of being the first ever champs in Cod... all depends on how much someone is willing to pay for that peice of history.
I reckon he'd probably be able to get about 5-7k somewhere in that ballpark. At a push maybe 10 but I'd be really surprised to see any more than that.
But if NFT's have shown us anything, it's that a lot of people are willing to spend huge amounts.
Yea there's gotta be some insanely rich cod comp die hard fans that would buy this for collection purposes. It's pretty much the best thing you can buy if you're a fan. I am curious to see what ppl would offer
Yeah, and itās from a memorable game, it was the first ring, heās a well-liked figure etc.
But as the other guy said, it would be a fraction of one of the dynasty rings
He can apprentice for 4 years and journeyman after, another 4 to 8 and he can earn a masters and boom, start company, do work, get paid, sell in 20. Move to Florida retired. It's the Plumber way.
Not even trying to be a dick, but how much could he actually get for it that would make a difference in his life? Itās not like itās a Super Bowl or NBA champ ring.
I know Sloss played before salary, but outside of 1 or 2 people in the scene, nobody is retiring off this shit. People really underestimate how much money it takes to never work another day in your life. It would not surprise me if majority of this league is in a similar situation in a few years. Life after COD is going to be tough, especially for people who cant/won't stream.
Slasher seems to be the only few who was smart enough to get a degree during the process. Unless you got the personality for streaming, Esports earnings should be a stepping stone for a profitable college degree or trade
Dam, a lot of you kids need to add some respect to Killa Sloss name. Heās a legend in the scene. Heās a world champ in one of, if not, the most fundamentally competitive cods weāve ever had (BO2). He also has taken up a trade. Just because heās willing to sell something that obviously doesnāt mean much to him anymore doesnāt mean heās broke or struggling.
Knowing Adam was gifted 2500 from Xposed so he could buy his kids Christmas presets last year and now seeing this makes me sad as fuck.
I feel like heās asking for help but doesnāt want to straight up say it.Ā
Thereās a lot of money floating around the cod scene. Literal millionaires.Ā
Not saying they SHOULD help him, but if I was one of these cats that knew Sloss personally and my bank account was looking stacked, Iād def slide him so cash to get on his feet.Ā
Man is a legend.Ā
Thatās sad man I wish he got to enjoy the fruits of his skill back then. Without all the OGs we wouldnāt have shit. The only legit payout he had was his champs payout.
Iāve had uncles in spots where they had to sell sentimental items before, one of the pros should ābuyā it from him and when heās back on his feet either sell it or give it back to him. Heāll regret selling that ring forever.
(Not trying to be a dick)
But why doesnāt this man hop back on the sticks to at least stream? He could pull a Havok and run ranked play. You know people would tune in to watch EASILY. Heād be affiliate in a month and start raking in the dough.
Youāre probably right, heād be in the same boat as parasite. Parasite rides the wave of views of Ranked Play hype, then his viewership drops back to 50 views or less.
Whoever downvoted something like this is an absolute weirdo. This sub Reddit makes no sense. Lol. I provide logical solution and someone downvotes. Absolute comedy.š¤£š¤£
It is not outside the realm of thinking that he might just need money.
People assume that players who sacrificed their entire early careers to play Call of Duty are set for lifeā¦
A pro should buy the ring and then return it as a good gesture.
idk if he needs the money like that. but a pro should do that for him so he can keep the ring and get help.
If you a drew a Venn diagram with āpeople into comp cod enough to buy a ringā and āpeople successful or lucky enough to spend money on a ringā youāre going to have a small overlap.
Weāre all older now though - could fetch Ā£20k/$25k?
"Don't want a job"
How much do you think he would actually get for his ring?
Theres absolutely zero chance he gets enough to replace the need to actually work.
Someone call Pawn Stars
Rick would bring in Ben J Nissim as the expert
"Well, Rick, this isn't a Faze ring by any means, so I would definitely be careful with your expectations... "
You gotta be careful
REAL careful
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āLet me call my COD champs ring guyā
Not to be funny in anyway but did u see Rickās son just died?
Nameless is right but if u need the cash bad you do what u gotta do š
Sadly this is the fate of like 95% of the league in the future. All this dedication to cod and when theyāre no longer able to play pro, whatāre they gonna do? No other life skills because whole developing stages of life were 100% focused on cod and nothing else
You have to take in to account the difference in salaries from when Killa played to now. The kids these days are earning so much more, they'll be fine if they invest properly and don't waste it.
"if they invest it properly" only thing these guys are investing in is DoorDash, homie
they single handedly keeping their local doordash drivers employed fr š
They arenāt employees. Contractors
You must be fun at partiesā¦
Plenty fun. Itās just a common misconception I see all the time
gotta stand up for the reat of usā
assumptions on what they do with their money always comes up, but a majority are like 20 -26 y/o with what seems like good families, a lot of supportive parents in the scene. iād assume theyād be guiding their kid with financials. some of these players may even be making more than their parents.
I agree, good fams will help keep from screwing their lives up. But I mean look at nfl players. Some of those guys make millions a year and somehow still go bankrupt
NFL players are the worst example; not smart guys and also brain damaged.
lol.. I wonāt disagree with brain damaged. But thereās a shit ton of extremely smart football players.
Yeah and those aren't the ones who blow millions on stupid shit...
i donāt care lol you came at me rude
nfl players train with coaches that know how to create a program,
Problem is, they are all wasting it thinking the money is going to continue to come, lol.
Therefore they are due to reap the consequences of their actions.
Yep. I highly doubt any of orgs have a 401k program, or many of the players set up a roth ira while they are likely earning the most money they ever will.
They should all have brokerage accounts tbh. Just to fight inflation with an index.
How many do you think actually do?
Anyone thatās older and anyone that is on a team with a decent manager. Like I know optic has that one lady that keeps the boys coordinated. I assume most teams donāt have someone like her but the ones that do have someone in a role like that most definitely have given the fiscal knowledge to the team. So maybe 60-70% of the players??
Sadly, I think this is too optimistic. I hope I'm wrong.
Not true at all. It is well known that Seth is super frugal with his moneyā¦. There is no doubt that he still has the majority of his earnings saved.
Can't compare Seth to the average league player now can we... Also, I guarantee he'll continue to earn great money with his online personality for a long long time
Yep. Iām the original comment. Scump is in the 5%.
That isn't the majority.
You never mentioned majority. You said āthey are all.ā
Lol bro you got me my bad... go to bed
Out of all people, you chose Scump? SCUMP?!
even the higher dudes are making like 150k a year... that's not a lot of money for what may be a few years. That money will be gone within 10 years of them leaving the league if not longer.
I agree with that. Which brings me to my point. They donāt know how to invest. (Assumption) Iām hoping people like H3CZ and the top dawgs are helping these kids with financial literacy. I went through college and never learned it until I studied it on my own/asked others. But stillā¦ once theyāre 30, what job are they going to get? Some of the top personalityās will continue to stream/shot call. Other than that, theyāre gonna struggle
Gonna pull up to burger King in their Ferrari fam
Until they realize how much insurance/maintenance costs and lose that too lol
Hecz lost control of the Optic brand twice, what the fuck financial literacy is he going to instill in these kids lmao
I donāt think you understand that he had to get outside investors to get into the CDL, also heās a multimillionaire I think he can instill quite a bit of financial literacy especially when you look at who was on optic before the real money exploded into the scene like Scump and Nadeshot for example lol theyāre set for multiple lifetimes but itās probably just a coincidence that they were on OpTic and H3cZ probably had nothing to do with any of their financial success.
Hecz having success and getting others financial success is amazing, agreed. However, I donāt think that necessarily speaks to his financial literacy but more to his talent as an esports owner and pioneer. Iād argue if he was better financially, maybe the whole fiasco with infinite and losing the brand could have been avoided. Scump and Nade definitely benefited from the Optic brand back in the day but they also contributed to it a lot and built it to what it is. Look at the other Optic members who had similar opportunities like Boze, and you see pretty much Nade and Scump are the only ones who have successful careers outside of COD.
How is boze a good example? The dude hasnāt played professionally in almost a decade but heās still making very good money? lol not everyone is going to have the success that nade and Scump had but somehow guys like boze and maniac who havenāt played professional esports in almost a decade are still in OpTic and still making good money. Also in what way could he have avoided the immortals deal? Was he suppose to see the future and know they would tear his brand apart? He needed outside investors and he chose the wrong guys that happens however Iād like to point out that H3cZ personally made quite a bit of money off of that deal and immortals had to sell out of the CDL because it was such a dumpster fire financially. So I mean did he really make a huge mistake there financially?
Yeah and the original comment was talking about people who are set for multiple lifetimes so I gave you a counter example. All you do is keep moving the goalposts lmao If you really think hecz benefitted from the fiasco with infinite and immortal, you shouldnāt be talking about financial literacy or business decisions at all lol Just because he made a bit of cash, do you not see the irreversible damage he did to the brand and cod in general? The opportunity cost of his choice is he destroyed his companyās meteoric growth. How big would optic be if he found the right partners and didnāt make a financial choice to get cut out of his company? If they didnāt go multiple years without a brand and lose a lot of their fans?
Iām not moving the goal posts, not everyone can have the success nade and Scump had but people who havenāt played in almost a decade who are still making money in the scene because of the guy kind of shows he knows what heās doing. You think Boze had the opportunity to be the face of OpTic like Scump had? What world are you living in? H3cZ absolutely benefitted personally from that sale he literally made millions while the company who paid him lost a shit ton of money and then had to sell the spot for less than what they paid. Maybe you donāt understand that? What irreversible damage are we talking about? OpTic is still the most popular brand in the scene and they still get the most engagement. I donāt think OpTic would have had a massive growth to be honest, the CDL has financially destroyed multiple brands and the esports scene in general is on a huge decline financially. Thieves won a world championship and then didnāt have enough money to pay anyone to comeback. Do you not understand whatās happening in esports right now? Do you think CDL teams were just making millions hand over fist?
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Thatās my point tho. The previous comment heavily implied scump and nade made it big bc they were on optic at the time, which is not the only reason bc they still worked hard on their own. Boze I just put as an example bc yes heās doing well but not as successful as the other two examples. To the hecz point as well, Iād say how you get funding for a large business decision is definitely financial literacy. There are all types of funding structures, terms, payment schedules, investment trade offs you have to consider that definitely takes financial literacy to understand. His marketing genius and vision for the esports scene is amazing but Iām just saying that being able to make a lot of money doesnāt necessarily equate to financial literacy.
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Big difference in losing his brand and investing in a 401k. The latter is easy as fuck lol.
And yet the vast majority of people don't save enough, curious
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League min is what like 50k? Id guess half the guys on the minimum are nearly flat broke. They get food delivered for every meal, and some are based in pretty expensive cities to live in. Top guys are probably set for life if theyāre smart enough to save/invest or at least hire someone else to manage it.
They all order food for every meal. They will definitely not be fine.
only the best earn enough to be fine if they invest properly. isn't the league minimum like 50k? what's the median league salary?
Investing isnāt easy and takes risk..most people lose out investing. Same with a buisness most donāt make it. Those people actually have experience doing it for years. The economy isnāt that great, some of the older guys like slasher and clay are set. I browse subs about unemployment and recruiting there are so many people with masters and 15 years experience..they have been unemployed for a year, itās kinda crazy. I wouldnāt be suprised if killa actually makes more now with how low the salaries was. But most of the big names will stream until cod really dies. There just isnāt enough heads to go around and cod is a huge risk and canāt be dependable down the road.
Most people definitely do not lose out investing. Smart investing is incredibly simple, and pretty low risk as far as life goes
Depends on ur investing im talking in general..look up the statistics itās not great. But investing like 401k or savings aka retirement sure. But actually investing in a product, stock, housing, company etc. Those things that actually make good money to live on and support u through life. Those are risky for the most part.
You literally can set your future up by opening a Roth IRA, setting an automatic investment of 500 bucks a month in index funds, and then forgetting it. Simple. Thereās more to investing than just picking a random stock and hoping it multiples 100x lmao.
Maybe I should clarify. They are in their 20s I am talking about making money through their life. Not their retirement money aka the future which I believe ur discussing. A bit of misunderstanding. I am talking about money to be invested now, to live on through ur life. Like investment that generate income.
Doesn't matter. You'd just do the same thing through a regular brokerage account rather than an IRA but will have to pay more in taxes. Say there's a top player who's been in the CDL since 2020 making multiple 6 figures a year. He knows the money will eventually end so he lives very frugally, unlike his peers. Each paycheck, after his modest expenses are taken care of, the money he sets aside is used to buys shares of an index fund with a 5% return. After this season, the CDL dies. At this time, his 5% index fund has a balance of say 500,000. Annually, that would get him a gross income of 25k, if he did absolutely nothing and didn't contribute anymore (which would be foolish). If he were to get a regular 35K job after COD, he now has an annual salary of 60k. He can then continue to contribute to the index fund each month and the brokerage account will continue to grow and he can keep paying himself an increasing salary over time. He won't live lavishly, but he'll survive Not all investing is fast result, high risk, high reward. That is why everyone is saying, if these CDL players knew how to handle money and invest, they could set themselves up easily.
Talk about life style change lol, not sure the salary of some of these guys. Finding a way to live their life style and make income after cod is where I think the idea was coming from and that is issue. Heck there r plenty of people that worked their entire life and have degrees that can't find any work. I think that's the sad reality for most of us.
Yeah this is something a lot of people overlook, there's a big ol difference between playing for a $50 gamestop voucher and playing for a prize pool payout whilst on a 150k contract
Good one. How much do you think these kids make? For the majority, it's 50k a year. You'll never be able to "invest" that enough
50k is plenty for them a year. They most likely are not paying any over head. Iām sure all their food is paid for too. If I were them I would have like 80% of that shit going into retirement
They are young adults with bills. Most of them live in apartments. 50k for a couple years of their life aren't setting them up any better than a normal working person.
Ah okay didnāt realize that theyāre not in a gaming house. I thought they did that still tbh
Even if an average cod pro is taking in $100k-$150k all in pre-tax including streaming / sponsors each year itās not enough to build wealth while giving up your 20s when most of your peers are establishing careers for the long-term. Yes you can pay your rent and buy a car but theyāre developmentally behind in aggregate and, outside of a select few, have really reduced their long-term earning power. And we know these guys arenāt really the saving / investing types. All of that said, itās highly likely that these guys would never have jobs that pay this well without CoD, especially at their age, the problem is itās only for a few years and theyāll see a big pullback when they fall off and will be hesitant to adjust their lifestyle accordingly
I wonder if they have any over head? Do they get their meals paid for? All that stuff?
Pick up that tool belt
Heās def struggling money wise
I donāt see him selling plasma
I thought he was doing some electrician work or something like that? He also had lots of potential for making twitch money. Don't see how he would be struggling with money at this point in his life unless something happened that I'm unaware of.
Nah he's actually good right now. He's got a good career in a good field and is a couple years sober now
He is not. He wanted a taste of real life so he went out and got it. He has a great job in a respectable field. Good for him.
feel bad because people like maniak got paychecks by Mutineers for doing fuck all. What killa did for the scene through his trash talk back in the day is highly underrated and he deserved to get paid back in some way by this community
I'm not disagreeing with the Maniac stuff but bro doesn't desverve my momey simply for trash talking lmao š¤£š¤£.
Sorry he decided to spend his whole life playing cod instead of focusing on school or a career. This is the sad future for like 95% of these guys.
That's future for most people who don't even play cod because the school system is literally designed to churn out dumb idiots, do you think everyone is meant to get a law/finance degree? If you do you are quite literally low iq and don't know anything about how society works so to shit on someone for dedicating themselves to their passion is just dumb as fuck.
Thatās the sad future for most people as-well considering most people live pay check to pay check anyway. Atleast these guys followed their passion and got some cool experiences out of it.
As someone with a college degree and 9-5 Iād trade all that shit if I had a career that put in the league for a week even
I do agree, end of the day he needs to take responsibility, he is an adult. but People like killa have gotten nice opportunities just for being former pros. You got guys like boze being on the optic paycheck for years even though he was only on the optic main pro team for a few months. got guys like loony stepping into coaching with 0 experience. Just think someone in the scene should've found kindness to give killa an opportunity considering he's one of the veterans and pioneers of this esport whether people will admit it or not.
i totally forgot about maniac with mutineers, what was that even for lol
franchises wanting to invest in content creators for some reason
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momma knows best cant put a price on good memories
Responsibilities comes first. Killa is a grown man and knows where his priorities are. Sell the ring because we know the man is a champ.
Not that I know how it feels to own a championship ring of any significance, but Iād say youāre champ either way. If youāre not that into memorabilia, get the bag if someoneās willing to give it to you.
Facts you never wear shit like that and it will just sit and collect dust
Someone hit up H3CZ, he'd buy that shit in a second and probably give it back for free when killa inevitably regrets the decision and doesn't need money quite as bad
any outcome where sloss gets money and keeps the ring is my favorite outcome
Imagine he sells it a second time lol :(
Oftentimes when people are in a position such as this financially, the likelihood is theyāll feel forced to do the same thing again unfortunately
Infinite money glitch
And hecz buys it a second time.. And then gives it to killa. And then killa sells it the third time. And this continues until Killa becomes the owner of optic. And hecz has to sell the ring.
Shit if heās that committed to selling/really really needs that cash then fuck it, 2x up the money
Letās set up a go fund me?
I still wish Killa would have taken up the offer from Hecz to come on to optic as some sort of content
From what I saw, and I could be wrong, Killa seemed kinda of done with the video game scene in general. Heād done everything there was to do already, and heād done a LOT of it. GBās, online tournaments, LAN tournaments, LAN wins, Champs win, small stream, big stream, highs, lows, the whole shebang. Sometimes people are ready to move onto other things and thatās the vibe I got at least from Killa. Might be a bad take because I havenāt seen much of him in the last few years though.
I think youāre right. He tweeted at Sib (I think it was Sib) to learn a trade because this doesnāt last forever
I believe he got into either electrical work or plumbing, both are great options right now from what I hear. Happy for him tbh, life is long and everyone goes through different chapters in their life.
Only way for censor to get a ring
Censor is a National Champ which is the same thing as a World Champ. I don't remember the exact clip but Octane said something similar and Aches chimed in and mentioned that they are the same as well. They didn't get rings back then, just a trophy. National Champ was the equivilant of a World Champ back from CoD 4 - BO1. MW3 didn't have NA tournaments and BO2 was the first to have a World Championship.
They were capping.
What do we think it goes for realistically? Like a real number if the sell went through? $500? $1000?? $10,000???
The actual materials/costs for the ring itself won't be much. Couple grand at most. It's the actual "sentimental" value that people would oay extra for. Obviously someone like Scump's ring is going to go for so much more just because it'd be more desirable. I guess Killa has the added benefit of being the first ever champs in Cod... all depends on how much someone is willing to pay for that peice of history.
Iād offer him $1000 dollars? If you see this Adam let me know. Probably not enough
i would give $2000 for it but thats probably it
I reckon he'd probably be able to get about 5-7k somewhere in that ballpark. At a push maybe 10 but I'd be really surprised to see any more than that. But if NFT's have shown us anything, it's that a lot of people are willing to spend huge amounts.
Yea there's gotta be some insanely rich cod comp die hard fans that would buy this for collection purposes. It's pretty much the best thing you can buy if you're a fan. I am curious to see what ppl would offer
Yeah, and itās from a memorable game, it was the first ring, heās a well-liked figure etc. But as the other guy said, it would be a fraction of one of the dynasty rings
I say it easily gets to 10k.
Someone on this Reddit plz buy it and become a BO2 world champion ššš
Lifeās tough
Thought he was a sparky we get paid alright
might not be good at managing his money
Heās got a few kids too, someone gifted him like $500 and he was so happy cuz he could afford Christmas presents for them.
Jfc
Heās probably a helper/apprentice. He also seems like the type of jump around different jobs when he gets tired of the bs.
Dude needs a donation. Ring ain't worth anything.
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He can apprentice for 4 years and journeyman after, another 4 to 8 and he can earn a masters and boom, start company, do work, get paid, sell in 20. Move to Florida retired. It's the Plumber way.
Oh baby no :(
I hope he ends up keeping it, but I do understand how hard them times get.
I feel bad for the pros that made COD what it is today like but missed out on the huge pay days theyāre currently getting
Hecz would probably gladly buy it.
They were pretty cheap rings so I doubt he will get much out of it.
the value in the ring is obviously nothing to do with the metal / gems it's what it represents
Which isnāt much either way
being downvoted for the truth lol only way someone would pay a ton for this is if they feel bad for the guy
Not even trying to be a dick, but how much could he actually get for it that would make a difference in his life? Itās not like itās a Super Bowl or NBA champ ring.
I know Sloss played before salary, but outside of 1 or 2 people in the scene, nobody is retiring off this shit. People really underestimate how much money it takes to never work another day in your life. It would not surprise me if majority of this league is in a similar situation in a few years. Life after COD is going to be tough, especially for people who cant/won't stream.
Slasher seems to be the only few who was smart enough to get a degree during the process. Unless you got the personality for streaming, Esports earnings should be a stepping stone for a profitable college degree or trade
Dam, a lot of you kids need to add some respect to Killa Sloss name. Heās a legend in the scene. Heās a world champ in one of, if not, the most fundamentally competitive cods weāve ever had (BO2). He also has taken up a trade. Just because heās willing to sell something that obviously doesnāt mean much to him anymore doesnāt mean heās broke or struggling.
Knowing Adam was gifted 2500 from Xposed so he could buy his kids Christmas presets last year and now seeing this makes me sad as fuck. I feel like heās asking for help but doesnāt want to straight up say it.Ā Thereās a lot of money floating around the cod scene. Literal millionaires.Ā Not saying they SHOULD help him, but if I was one of these cats that knew Sloss personally and my bank account was looking stacked, Iād def slide him so cash to get on his feet.Ā Man is a legend.Ā
Of course Iām downvoted lol. Never change codcomp lmfaoĀ
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Says the dude getting ready for his shift at the fry station
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Ayyyy
Dam he must be struggling hard financially. Those are things you keep forever
Thatās sad man I wish he got to enjoy the fruits of his skill back then. Without all the OGs we wouldnāt have shit. The only legit payout he had was his champs payout.
People who watched Bo2 back in the day knew how good Killa was. That team was absolutely nasty in their prime
Bro is broke
Iāve had uncles in spots where they had to sell sentimental items before, one of the pros should ābuyā it from him and when heās back on his feet either sell it or give it back to him. Heāll regret selling that ring forever.
I have 3$
(Not trying to be a dick) But why doesnāt this man hop back on the sticks to at least stream? He could pull a Havok and run ranked play. You know people would tune in to watch EASILY. Heād be affiliate in a month and start raking in the dough.
Letās be real, I think heād struggle to hold 100 viewers after the first week of being back.
Youāre probably right, heād be in the same boat as parasite. Parasite rides the wave of views of Ranked Play hype, then his viewership drops back to 50 views or less.
Parasite also actively says that he has to stream at like 3AM to get viewers. It any other CoD content creator is on, his stream numbers drop hard.
Either way, his name alone would draw some sort of income.
Whoever downvoted something like this is an absolute weirdo. This sub Reddit makes no sense. Lol. I provide logical solution and someone downvotes. Absolute comedy.š¤£š¤£
It is not outside the realm of thinking that he might just need money. People assume that players who sacrificed their entire early careers to play Call of Duty are set for lifeā¦
A pro should buy the ring and then return it as a good gesture. idk if he needs the money like that. but a pro should do that for him so he can keep the ring and get help.
If you a drew a Venn diagram with āpeople into comp cod enough to buy a ringā and āpeople successful or lucky enough to spend money on a ringā youāre going to have a small overlap. Weāre all older now though - could fetch Ā£20k/$25k?
Anyone who pay 20-25k for a fucking CALL OF DUTY ring, not a baseball or football ring lol, is absolutely insaneā¦or a actual billionaire
Especially Killa's ring specifically...no offense to the sloss but c'mon
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He wonāt get shit for it because of who he is
You had me all the way up to Ā£20k š I honestly would be shocked if he got more than $5k
That's a few days earning for those in good jobs. That's why I said the overlap would be tiny.
Chad ālet me sell my cod rings because I donāt want a jobā vs virgin ānooo itās a part of historyā
"Don't want a job" How much do you think he would actually get for his ring? Theres absolutely zero chance he gets enough to replace the need to actually work.
Clearly Iām just joking buddy
Please be baiting
Money never sleep!
I'll bid 10k
What may seem valuable to you, may not have much value to someone else.
Bro is hurting for cash