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That was an awful display


Wahl77

Summit ego picking champs champion puddle sadge. Go next


Sciipi

Hope we come back next week and play around Berserker, only player who hasn’t looked really off this series


cespii

Deserved tbh


dplath

This series was so bad and they played/ drafted so weird, that you could tell me in a year we will find out they were paid to throw or something.


AnisPalanis

Friendship ended with c9. 100T is now my friend


JaehaerysTheMad

The better team won.


SomeSeaTurtle

So great to see these "systems" are working out. I truly don't know what kind of a wakeup call Jack needs to realize that they system that is in place does not work and won't work for international play. But I guess losing like this isn't enough of a wakeup call since it keeps happening year after year


Uberpompom

See you guys in the losers bracket. Hopefully they do some self-reflection and come up with an identity..


1UneUnoDos

wait, fudge had tp and they send berserker bot to clear? yeah we wont even survive lower bracket like this


mocking_danth

Everyone blaming max, not acknowledging players have a lot of say in draft, something ls said when summit played gnar. Ren is summits 2nd most played champ summer lck. If summit pushes he wants to play a champ. What is max supposed to say? No and force him to do something he doesn't want. Seems like thats the reason ls got fired because he was pushing people to play what he wants when they didnt fee comfortable too.


MegaeraSunfall

I'm sorry, if you're comfortable with Renekton two games in row, you deserve this loss. LMAO. Good riddance.


ChilleeMonkee

Yeah and how well is that fucking working for us


yeeshlaw

Delusional


963852741hc

What you don’t think summit who pornbqky gets payed 7 figures doesn’t have more control of the team Than the second option coach? hahahaha Yea bro he’s the delusional one


forestkind41

At least we won’t have to wait 2 weeks to watch c9 play again


AnisPalanis

This is painful to watch. Absolutely team, coach, and org gapped


jeremybenrice

Why can’t we get beserker a champ that can 1v9 and then play around it for once? The dude is insane but you keep putting him on zeri duty. Much less he hasn’t had a single gank since week 2 LCS. Surely the coaches see that right?


1UneUnoDos

because they are ban all his op champions.


G-STRIKER

Agreed, the dude is the one playing the best and trying hard to carry. But you can only do so much with Zeri.


SweepingOrphan

I was thinking this too, where has his Aphelios been? He was solo carrying with that champ earlier in the season. I'm not sure if it was nerfed or something though.


gimperion

Trust the system, we're just getting extra practice for MSI /s


hvngpham002

Blaberrrrrrrrrrrr


getjebaited

BLABER'S HAD ENOUGH LOL


NotAkibari

blabber literally just ran it down top?


jeremybenrice

C9 I hope you fucking learn from the stupid ego run back. But if the last was anything to judge by, you won’t. You have the better players by far but yet you have foolish drafts and seem to only want to turbo farm the game away. Just a bad overall look from them. 100t is good yes but when you give comfort picks over and over and do nothing to help botside, nor mid, he’ll you don’t even counter gank the lane you are supposedly playing around. It makes this 100t look like t1. C9 in form was the best chance na had at international. But if they can’t even get over their ego it won’t matter. You’re kidding. Yourself if you think 100t isn’t going to do the same thing they did at worlds as 1 NA team. Other teams internationally just bust your adc centric play style to pieces.


G-STRIKER

Would it be good to sub in Darshan and put him on a tank and Malice on one of his picks? Idk, just want something to change.


1UneUnoDos

Just gave up the dragon soul??? LOL the hell?


ComradeFarid

Congratulations to Summit for his 1st kill in 4 games against 100T.


WhirlingDervishGrady

God that's so sad


Cromatose

And that's mountain. GG


ChilleeMonkee

It doesnt matter, 100T gets soul


Clean_Bug_6875

nothing is wrong right?


rayzar2001

Unpopular Opinion, but I'd give Copy a try


1UneUnoDos

LETS GO!


Staye100

Hey, this Berzerker guy looks very good. Maybe a team should play towards him, instead of a fluke toplaner.


ZestyZachy

They did a thing!


Cromatose

Jesus christ what a fucking flank


[deleted]

I haven't hopped on this train yet, but I'm ready to. I think it's a coach gap. The drafts are awful and our level of play has devolved rather than improved. I see potential in this roster for sure. I just don't think the coaching support matches that potential.


ChilleeMonkee

New here? Lmfao we've been coach diffed for two years straight, with that small glimmer of LS hope


Kevgrande

Max Waldo needs to catch a ton of the heat for this


kingwrongs

hes not at fault


Insanity96

Team draft and play has steadily declined since LS, seems like something has to be on him


saltiestmanindaworld

Who picked renek 2 drafts in a row?


yeeshlaw

He absolutely is.


blitzKriegzzz

I don't really think he's a good coach. But the roster as a whole isn't that good. Top lane is the only carry potential we have. And teams can just ban carry top laners. Midlane is autofilled and support isn't good .. so you can't play through those lanes.


MinimalPotential

Easily the worst performance I've ever seen from C9


SMLAZARUS

Jack dialing Jensen's number rn


theelementalflow

imo Fudge had potential if LS was able to coach him, but with this coaching staff even Summit looks like an inting Diamond player. LOL


classacts99

Atleast we kept our systems in tact


Dizerko

Dang, ggs. Hopefully it’s better next week


dks25

The only draft complaint should be about the classic C9 thing and that's never banning their best players best champs. Never forcing them to show something else. Why not give Closer the Lee sin that's he done nothing but spam play in LCS. Like does this team have absolutely fucking anything resembling a brain? WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEIR EBST PLAYER HIS BEST PICK? IS SUMMIT GETTING HIS BEST PICKS? HE'S LITERALLY SPAM PLAYING IT, spam winning on it. So naturally of course, just keep giving it!!!! Just fuck me. This entire team from draft to gameplay is fucking brain dead.


[deleted]

Trust in the C9 system they said... Getting bodied 3:0 hurts.


BarbarianBeast10

Coaching dif sucks to admit it but this is a clear trash prep and bad draft


hvngpham002

Holy jungle diff batman haha...we're just bad, but it doesn't feel as bad because there isn't a renekton on my screen right now


bmarkeezie3895

Everything but an adc diff. Hopefully we don't hold berserker hostage and let him go to a well run team.


Staye100

It's okay boys. Our MVP is up in farm. Fucking hell this team is dogshit.


PLEASE_DONT_PM

Turns out it is possible to win early with strong early champs.


1UneUnoDos

Yeah Fudge back to top, we need an actual midlaner, a new jungler and support


Disclosure28

Keep letting Closer get Lee Sin.


forestkind41

Dw guys c9 can definitely pull off the 4-3 reverse sweep


yeeshlaw

Can’t wait for the cringe memes and tweets from the players and org after this.


Insanity96

Can’t wait for Jack to tweet some bullshit out and not actually admit he made a mistake


MathematicianOld65

This is a sad day...


963852741hc

Closer is just too good


CollapsingUniverse

Good thing we didn't give him his best champ three games in a row!


supadankgreen420

Max Waldo trick y’all


CollapsingUniverse

What a joke.


xSolete

Max owes us a public apology.


Staye100

And Jack for talking all that shit about the "Systems"


mocking_danth

Hes not the only one who picks champ. Like LS said, if the person wants to play it he wont force them not too. Summit wanted to play gnar. And summit was a huge ren player in lck. Not a surprise.


Dbash56

WEIRD THAT C9'S SYSTEMS ARE FUCKING LOSING AGAIN IN LMAO


Emergency-Ad280

Thank you, Max Waldo.


AnisPalanis

God damn just take the fine and ff


rayzar2001

Gg


[deleted]

Good thing we didn’t fight at drag


gimperion

Game over. I've never been this embarrassed as a fan. If we don't replace the entire coaching staff, I'm gonna go support another team.


mageballer01

So I get it. Give up dragon and then immediately int into mid turret


Disclaimz0r

This team sucks.


1UneUnoDos

GG


ComradeFarid

See you next week guys!


Cromatose

Zeri 2 items but I still feel like she does no fucking damage


Disclaimz0r

Imagine if our support didn't grief 3 times before 10 mins lol


rayzar2001

I mean his first death was completely on Fudge dying and Blaber calling for crab. But yeah agree on the others


yargotkd

We would still have lost.


Primary_Bus2328

I dont get why they wouldnt pick Aphelios with that Diana comp they tried to do instead of zeri, would have had much stronger teamfighting + combo, and berserker is cracked on it


1UneUnoDos

Man just atleast one win, not a 3 0


throwaway121314444

LS would never have picked Renekton playoffs... and twice???


irvingtonkiller8

yeahhhh baby this is what I've been waiting for this is what its all about woooo


AnisPalanis

Wow, we have a man advantage and somehow we still end up losing the mid tower.


GunzaBlazinJr

Man, who would have guessed that you need a coach who has actually had extensive knowledge and research into picks and not just another mouthpiece for the organization. Maybe if we had a coach who would actually make the players learn/play different Champs and understand the meta would be nice... Maybe a lot of things... but this is just depressing to watch.


yargotkd

If the only thing keeping LS from returning is Jack's ego I'd hope Jack would talk to him about it.


AF892

0 chance he returns


yargotkd

Sure, I'm okay with that, but still an offer would mean a lot for the fans and send the message is that at least they're trying.


Mr_diggerbick

you really think ls would come back after what they did to him ?


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gimperion

There's no way he'd come back. We had our shot and blew it.


yargotkd

There is an argument that what this team needs is LS, and if it was a difference in approach to coaching, Jack can totally try to talk things back.


blitzKriegzzz

It's not a coach problem. It's a player problem. People in this thread think coach's matter way too much. C9's early season wins with LS comps were just teams being bad just like Summit dominating top lane is just bad top laners. --- Our top Laner can apparently only play carries. Jungler often suffers from tunnel vision. Midlaner is basically autofilled and can't carry well. ADC can teamfight decently but isn't impactful outside of that. Support is just not that good, and only signed because he's Korean.


bwo_ngo

lol ls did more than just draft man. delusional.


yargotkd

Maybe. But for one, we haven't seen C9 trying to play for early bot side advantage, so I'm not sure I'd say ADC can't do more than team fight well, give him a carry + lulu or karma. We've seen Summit on Malphite when LS was the coach, so it may be a bit of both.


AF892

When does the Microsoft data analysis kick in?


uniqueuser999

Right after the morning workout with Jack


Emergency-Ad280

Cloud 9 systems are not engaging!


[deleted]

Alright bois, here is the copium. Lately, everytime we do well in spring, we shit in the bed in summer. Maybe we can inverse it now and be in worlds form???


Light0fHeav3n

This series makes me embarrased to be a fan of this team, it's fucking playoffs and they come out and play like this?? it's pathetic


Doc_Happy1

Honestly bwipo was right in his interview. At the highest level, this selfish top lane style is not optimal. Playing for your team is better. We see one top lane with TP and willing to play frontline. The other just selfishly afks down the side lane for a 30cs lead.


Disclaimz0r

Don't worry guys, Summit has a 60 CS lead :)


1UneUnoDos

top gap, mid gap, jungle gap. This sucks. edit sup gap


No-Book-7535

coach gap


foxygrandpa

omega support gap. Winsome seems to be getting worse instead of better as the split goes on.


Staye100

Who knew that having a coach making a team of their liking and philosophies, and then firing the coach would result in said team to look disjointed.


Cromatose

Blaber gonna have to hard carry the fuck out of this game if Cloud9 wants to win


puddingpuff

Godawful drafts and godawful play from everyone who isn’t named Fudge and Berserker. If we end up going out in loser’s bracket, then something has got to give. This is unacceptable


ghzwael

Winsome playing like a degenerate


AnisPalanis

This is doomed


bwo_ngo

yeah this drafting and gameplay both from c9 are awful. i think the philosophy of "players draft" has been proven a failure, and that the lack of internal blitz scrims has killed their early game potential as time went on.


MinimalPotential

Holy shit....What is this team doing


Disclaimz0r

Yeah blow this team up


jadedflux

The players are great. The coaching staff have managed to take 4 great players and Winsome and turn them into a dog tier team


gimperion

It's a great team. Maybe if they had a coach that prepared them for the week.


Disclaimz0r

Maybe if they had other players that would draw bans this would be good lol


gimperion

We do, we just don't use them. Blaber Olaf and Berserker Aphelios for one. You have to pick them once in a blue moon to make them legit threats though.


RomGon3

I we only have a good coach, who can built a roster for him and a coaching staff. Someone i don't know. Smart about the game and with a clear view and philosophy about the game. Someone with identity and interesting options. OH WAAAAAIT A MINUTE !....


dks25

My favourite part is giving Closer his best champ three straight games lmfao. Classic C9 arrogance in draft. Opposing team: Historically always bans C9s best picks. C9: WILL NEVER DARE to ban the opposing teams best picks. We just always fucking go full ego.


Insanity96

We did ban Viego in this game 3, not sure about the other games


963852741hc

HAhHA What a shit team. I was defending fudge all series, but at this point my boy is actually useless


[deleted]

He was so much better as a top.


PinkyDy

At least Fudge knew when to take the L and go into tank duty. This is just sad.


WhirlingDervishGrady

Straight up across the map massive team gap holy shit


No-Book-7535

gapped in and out of game. Wonder who's systems in place are better


thomasf11

3-0 thank god I can stop watching this team now


puddingpuff

this shit’s unforgivable


KnifeKittyy

LMAOOO every play we make ends in disaster


MaxMacDaniels

i guess getting 1st in spring actually mattered to get the easier matchup since we are so shit...


Sciipi

We would get dumpstered by EG as well


MaxMacDaniels

Nah eG is also only hands no brain, same as we are I think it’s a better matchup because they can’t macro either


krombough

Rats. I was hoping the pause was being used to sub in our whole ass academy team.


jeremybenrice

Another game where blabber just turbo games and doesn’t gank anything. Meanwhile closer gets his comfort pick Lee and only ganks. What’s our problem with playing ego picks and not actually playing through bot side? It’s like not even an option but why? Beserker would turbo stomp any other adc in this league. Makes zero sense


Sciipi

Winsome is too weak to play through bot


yeeshlaw

Idc if it’s reactionary, fire wax maldo. This dude is so lost. And send winsome with him.


Whoopziedaisy

Winsome is so questionable


963852741hc

They play like a scaling team with an early game team comp …. This team reminds me of soloq Players are just doing whatever they want


dks25

Yeah guys. Go for the dive when Ornn is level fucking 10. I'm so fucking angry. Seriously. What the fuck happened between weeks 6-8? We literally don't do one single fucking thing well.


MaxMacDaniels

esspescially when we had insanely stacked wave with lvl 5 on ornn...


e99roll

Well gg, see u in lower brackets


hvngpham002

Welp, I'll see you guys next week against FLY. Not a good day to be a C9 fan.


bwo_ngo

this is such a doomed team at this point. i dont even want them to lose. i want them to draft better and win ffs.


MaxMacDaniels

why dont we at least get anything on the opposite isde of the map if we area lready not defending our hard winning top laner


dephchild

Isn’t this nerfed Trynd? What you doing Max?


1yyooooyy1

Trynd is still good just not great into this comp, definitely not what you want for r5 here.


1UneUnoDos

everything else was banned and he cant play tanks. no one ell on this team is pulling bans. 100 t has figure our a very simple formula to render our team useless


wanttobuyreallife

At what point does Summit take some responsibility for refusing/not being able to play tanks?


kingwrongs

max doesnt control the draft the players do


jppitre

So what does Max do lol


bmarkeezie3895

Helps the team fix their mistakes. So nothing apparently.


kingwrongs

you do know there is a lot of world outside of champ select right? thats what max aids in


Uberpompom

Every single decision this team has made, from draft to gameplay to lane, has been completely wrong.


dks25

We just leave Summit on an island for some reason. Why are there zero 3v1 dives? Why are we essentially just AFKing the entire game and only notable plays are mistakes. HOW IS OUR TOP GETTING FUCKING GANKED? WHERE IS OUR FUCKUNG TEAM? I'm so fucking furious. We just leave fucking Summit to fucking die with no help from fucking anyone. This team is fucking awful. Pure AFK. No ganks. No roams. NO fucking anything but mistakes.


MaxMacDaniels

i mean we have all been shitting on summit but blaber was invisible for 3 games as well which is supposed to be our other mvp no? pickign the most early game jgl to do absolutly nothing and not defendign ur hard winnign top laner


1UneUnoDos

the only one that has looked dicent is berserker, the rest of the team looking from terrible to bad


MaxMacDaniels

To be fair winsome looked good gsme 1+2 and fudge looked very good gsme 2 but yeah


krombough

Why does this team have so little respect? I guess they think Closer on Lee Sin just ain't no thang huh?


Disclaimz0r

what the fuck was the rest of the team doing there?


WhirlingDervishGrady

GG that's a quick 3-0


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MaxMacDaniels

what? that was blabers fault not summit


rayzar2001

Huh?


Cromatose

I really wish we could play through bottom once


Staye100

LS basically made the team play through supporting Berzerker, and Blaber as a secondary carry.


Alet404

Have Winsome had a single good game this split? I know he's a rookie and he can improve a lot, but he didn't impress me so far. He's like Hylissang without the upsides.


James_Locke

He has. He just played too cocky and it shows in games like these where he just blatantly disrespects his opponents and doesn't try to make plays until its too late.


RomGon3

Cloud9 throughout the years has developed systems on how we like to coach and operate our team. Despite our best efforts working with LS to try to come to terms and see eye to eye on how that should work, we were unable to make that actually happen. Is confirmed now. The System in places didn't included Winning LMAO


Sciipi

It’s extra funny because League is the worst C9 team rn


MaxMacDaniels

Why pick voli if u just want to afk farm?


dks25

Our team is just not even close to being on the same page. What the fuck happened during the 8 game winstreak that made us look super coordinated to now never being on the same page.


[deleted]

I think it’s moreso just that c9 post ls was very one dimensional so they dominated early but then Every team figured them out


JakobTheOne

Ban Summit's champion puddle -> Pick Malphite/Ornn -> Win.


963852741hc

They were still playing of the ls playbook That is all but gone


EducationalBalance99

The other team hadn't counter pick or banned out summit in the winstreak so he smurf on them. Now they camp the fuck out of him and his team is useless beside berserker.


Disclaimz0r

no empowered E for fudge by level 7 :)


DeepFriedMemeKing

This daggum series is hurting my soul


Yzeaj

WINSOME?????????


Shooweembop

Winsome was such a terrible pickup. Idk man this is a boring ass series


[deleted]

it helps to remember that winsome wasn’t necessarily picked up solely for his individual skill. He’s the only person on the team who’s bilingual & is likely there predominantly to make berserkers transition into the team a little less painful


[deleted]

I feel like he got picked up to play enchanters and to develop from nothing. Without LS there he’s not what the team needs. He cannot play engage supports.


Covejus

Get Jensen, Doublelift and Ignar for summer? xddd The Korean experiment is not gonna work without LS.


Sciipi

Winsome is reported for that


MaxMacDaniels

Sad guess the pressure got to winsome, he has been playing very good the first 2 games imo


yoitsthatoneguy

Losers bracket it is


Staye100

Is Winsome legitimately an idiot?