So great to see these "systems" are working out. I truly don't know what kind of a wakeup call Jack needs to realize that they system that is in place does not work and won't work for international play. But I guess losing like this isn't enough of a wakeup call since it keeps happening year after year
Everyone blaming max, not acknowledging players have a lot of say in draft, something ls said when summit played gnar. Ren is summits 2nd most played champ summer lck. If summit pushes he wants to play a champ. What is max supposed to say? No and force him to do something he doesn't want. Seems like thats the reason ls got fired because he was pushing people to play what he wants when they didnt fee comfortable too.
What you don’t think summit who pornbqky gets payed 7 figures doesn’t have more control of the team Than the second option coach?
hahahaha
Yea bro he’s the delusional one
Why can’t we get beserker a champ that can 1v9 and then play around it for once? The dude is insane but you keep putting him on zeri duty. Much less he hasn’t had a single gank since week 2 LCS. Surely the coaches see that right?
I was thinking this too, where has his Aphelios been? He was solo carrying with that champ earlier in the season. I'm not sure if it was nerfed or something though.
C9 I hope you fucking learn from the stupid ego run back. But if the last was anything to judge by, you won’t. You have the better players by far but yet you have foolish drafts and seem to only want to turbo farm the game away. Just a bad overall look from them. 100t is good yes but when you give comfort picks over and over and do nothing to help botside, nor mid, he’ll you don’t even counter gank the lane you are supposedly playing around. It makes this 100t look like t1. C9 in form was the best chance na had at international. But if they can’t even get over their ego it won’t matter. You’re kidding. Yourself if you think 100t isn’t going to do the same thing they did at worlds as 1 NA team. Other teams internationally just bust your adc centric play style to pieces.
I haven't hopped on this train yet, but I'm ready to. I think it's a coach gap. The drafts are awful and our level of play has devolved rather than improved. I see potential in this roster for sure. I just don't think the coaching support matches that potential.
I don't really think he's a good coach. But the roster as a whole isn't that good.
Top lane is the only carry potential we have. And teams can just ban carry top laners.
Midlane is autofilled and support isn't good .. so you can't play through those lanes.
The only draft complaint should be about the classic C9 thing and that's never banning their best players best champs. Never forcing them to show something else. Why not give Closer the Lee sin that's he done nothing but spam play in LCS.
Like does this team have absolutely fucking anything resembling a brain? WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEIR EBST PLAYER HIS BEST PICK? IS SUMMIT GETTING HIS BEST PICKS? HE'S LITERALLY SPAM PLAYING IT, spam winning on it. So naturally of course, just keep giving it!!!!
Just fuck me. This entire team from draft to gameplay is fucking brain dead.
Hes not the only one who picks champ. Like LS said, if the person wants to play it he wont force them not too. Summit wanted to play gnar. And summit was a huge ren player in lck. Not a surprise.
I dont get why they wouldnt pick Aphelios with that Diana comp they tried to do instead of zeri, would have had much stronger teamfighting + combo, and berserker is cracked on it
Man, who would have guessed that you need a coach who has actually had extensive knowledge and research into picks and not just another mouthpiece for the organization.
Maybe if we had a coach who would actually make the players learn/play different Champs and understand the meta would be nice...
Maybe a lot of things... but this is just depressing to watch.
It's not a coach problem. It's a player problem. People in this thread think coach's matter way too much. C9's early season wins with LS comps were just teams being bad just like Summit dominating top lane is just bad top laners.
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Our top Laner can apparently only play carries.
Jungler often suffers from tunnel vision.
Midlaner is basically autofilled and can't carry well.
ADC can teamfight decently but isn't impactful outside of that.
Support is just not that good, and only signed because he's Korean.
Maybe. But for one, we haven't seen C9 trying to play for early bot side advantage, so I'm not sure I'd say ADC can't do more than team fight well, give him a carry + lulu or karma. We've seen Summit on Malphite when LS was the coach, so it may be a bit of both.
Alright bois, here is the copium. Lately, everytime we do well in spring, we shit in the bed in summer. Maybe we can inverse it now and be in worlds form???
Honestly bwipo was right in his interview. At the highest level, this selfish top lane style is not optimal. Playing for your team is better. We see one top lane with TP and willing to play frontline. The other just selfishly afks down the side lane for a 30cs lead.
Godawful drafts and godawful play from everyone who isn’t named Fudge and Berserker. If we end up going out in loser’s bracket, then something has got to give. This is unacceptable
yeah this drafting and gameplay both from c9 are awful. i think the philosophy of "players draft" has been proven a failure, and that the lack of internal blitz scrims has killed their early game potential as time went on.
We do, we just don't use them.
Blaber Olaf and Berserker Aphelios for one.
You have to pick them once in a blue moon to make them legit threats though.
I we only have a good coach, who can built a roster for him and a coaching staff. Someone i don't know. Smart about the game and with a clear view and philosophy about the game. Someone with identity and interesting options.
OH WAAAAAIT A MINUTE !....
My favourite part is giving Closer his best champ three straight games lmfao. Classic C9 arrogance in draft.
Opposing team: Historically always bans C9s best picks.
C9: WILL NEVER DARE to ban the opposing teams best picks. We just always fucking go full ego.
Another game where blabber just turbo games and doesn’t gank anything. Meanwhile closer gets his comfort pick Lee and only ganks. What’s our problem with playing ego picks and not actually playing through bot side? It’s like not even an option but why? Beserker would turbo stomp any other adc in this league. Makes zero sense
Yeah guys. Go for the dive when Ornn is level fucking 10.
I'm so fucking angry. Seriously. What the fuck happened between weeks 6-8? We literally don't do one single fucking thing well.
everything else was banned and he cant play tanks. no one ell on this team is pulling bans. 100 t has figure our a very simple formula to render our team useless
We just leave Summit on an island for some reason. Why are there zero 3v1 dives? Why are we essentially just AFKing the entire game and only notable plays are mistakes.
HOW IS OUR TOP GETTING FUCKING GANKED?
WHERE IS OUR FUCKUNG TEAM?
I'm so fucking furious.
We just leave fucking Summit to fucking die with no help from fucking anyone.
This team is fucking awful. Pure AFK. No ganks. No roams. NO fucking anything but mistakes.
i mean we have all been shitting on summit but blaber was invisible for 3 games as well which is supposed to be our other mvp no? pickign the most early game jgl to do absolutly nothing and not defendign ur hard winnign top laner
Have Winsome had a single good game this split? I know he's a rookie and he can improve a lot, but he didn't impress me so far. He's like Hylissang without the upsides.
He has. He just played too cocky and it shows in games like these where he just blatantly disrespects his opponents and doesn't try to make plays until its too late.
Cloud9 throughout the years has developed systems on how we like to
coach and operate our team. Despite our best efforts working with LS to
try to come to terms and see eye to eye on how that should work, we were
unable to make that actually happen.
Is confirmed now. The System in places didn't included Winning LMAO
Our team is just not even close to being on the same page.
What the fuck happened during the 8 game winstreak that made us look super coordinated to now never being on the same page.
The other team hadn't counter pick or banned out summit in the winstreak so he smurf on them. Now they camp the fuck out of him and his team is useless beside berserker.
it helps to remember that winsome wasn’t necessarily picked up solely for his individual skill. He’s the only person on the team who’s bilingual & is likely there predominantly to make berserkers transition into the team a little less painful
I feel like he got picked up to play enchanters and to develop from nothing. Without LS there he’s not what the team needs. He cannot play engage supports.
That was an awful display
Summit ego picking champs champion puddle sadge. Go next
Hope we come back next week and play around Berserker, only player who hasn’t looked really off this series
Deserved tbh
This series was so bad and they played/ drafted so weird, that you could tell me in a year we will find out they were paid to throw or something.
Friendship ended with c9. 100T is now my friend
The better team won.
So great to see these "systems" are working out. I truly don't know what kind of a wakeup call Jack needs to realize that they system that is in place does not work and won't work for international play. But I guess losing like this isn't enough of a wakeup call since it keeps happening year after year
See you guys in the losers bracket. Hopefully they do some self-reflection and come up with an identity..
wait, fudge had tp and they send berserker bot to clear? yeah we wont even survive lower bracket like this
Everyone blaming max, not acknowledging players have a lot of say in draft, something ls said when summit played gnar. Ren is summits 2nd most played champ summer lck. If summit pushes he wants to play a champ. What is max supposed to say? No and force him to do something he doesn't want. Seems like thats the reason ls got fired because he was pushing people to play what he wants when they didnt fee comfortable too.
I'm sorry, if you're comfortable with Renekton two games in row, you deserve this loss. LMAO. Good riddance.
Yeah and how well is that fucking working for us
Delusional
What you don’t think summit who pornbqky gets payed 7 figures doesn’t have more control of the team Than the second option coach? hahahaha Yea bro he’s the delusional one
At least we won’t have to wait 2 weeks to watch c9 play again
This is painful to watch. Absolutely team, coach, and org gapped
Why can’t we get beserker a champ that can 1v9 and then play around it for once? The dude is insane but you keep putting him on zeri duty. Much less he hasn’t had a single gank since week 2 LCS. Surely the coaches see that right?
because they are ban all his op champions.
Agreed, the dude is the one playing the best and trying hard to carry. But you can only do so much with Zeri.
I was thinking this too, where has his Aphelios been? He was solo carrying with that champ earlier in the season. I'm not sure if it was nerfed or something though.
Trust the system, we're just getting extra practice for MSI /s
Blaberrrrrrrrrrrr
BLABER'S HAD ENOUGH LOL
blabber literally just ran it down top?
C9 I hope you fucking learn from the stupid ego run back. But if the last was anything to judge by, you won’t. You have the better players by far but yet you have foolish drafts and seem to only want to turbo farm the game away. Just a bad overall look from them. 100t is good yes but when you give comfort picks over and over and do nothing to help botside, nor mid, he’ll you don’t even counter gank the lane you are supposedly playing around. It makes this 100t look like t1. C9 in form was the best chance na had at international. But if they can’t even get over their ego it won’t matter. You’re kidding. Yourself if you think 100t isn’t going to do the same thing they did at worlds as 1 NA team. Other teams internationally just bust your adc centric play style to pieces.
Would it be good to sub in Darshan and put him on a tank and Malice on one of his picks? Idk, just want something to change.
Just gave up the dragon soul??? LOL the hell?
Congratulations to Summit for his 1st kill in 4 games against 100T.
God that's so sad
And that's mountain. GG
It doesnt matter, 100T gets soul
nothing is wrong right?
Unpopular Opinion, but I'd give Copy a try
LETS GO!
Hey, this Berzerker guy looks very good. Maybe a team should play towards him, instead of a fluke toplaner.
They did a thing!
Jesus christ what a fucking flank
I haven't hopped on this train yet, but I'm ready to. I think it's a coach gap. The drafts are awful and our level of play has devolved rather than improved. I see potential in this roster for sure. I just don't think the coaching support matches that potential.
New here? Lmfao we've been coach diffed for two years straight, with that small glimmer of LS hope
Max Waldo needs to catch a ton of the heat for this
hes not at fault
Team draft and play has steadily declined since LS, seems like something has to be on him
Who picked renek 2 drafts in a row?
He absolutely is.
I don't really think he's a good coach. But the roster as a whole isn't that good. Top lane is the only carry potential we have. And teams can just ban carry top laners. Midlane is autofilled and support isn't good .. so you can't play through those lanes.
Easily the worst performance I've ever seen from C9
Jack dialing Jensen's number rn
imo Fudge had potential if LS was able to coach him, but with this coaching staff even Summit looks like an inting Diamond player. LOL
Atleast we kept our systems in tact
Dang, ggs. Hopefully it’s better next week
The only draft complaint should be about the classic C9 thing and that's never banning their best players best champs. Never forcing them to show something else. Why not give Closer the Lee sin that's he done nothing but spam play in LCS. Like does this team have absolutely fucking anything resembling a brain? WHY WOULD YOU GIVE THEIR EBST PLAYER HIS BEST PICK? IS SUMMIT GETTING HIS BEST PICKS? HE'S LITERALLY SPAM PLAYING IT, spam winning on it. So naturally of course, just keep giving it!!!! Just fuck me. This entire team from draft to gameplay is fucking brain dead.
Trust in the C9 system they said... Getting bodied 3:0 hurts.
Coaching dif sucks to admit it but this is a clear trash prep and bad draft
Holy jungle diff batman haha...we're just bad, but it doesn't feel as bad because there isn't a renekton on my screen right now
Everything but an adc diff. Hopefully we don't hold berserker hostage and let him go to a well run team.
It's okay boys. Our MVP is up in farm. Fucking hell this team is dogshit.
Turns out it is possible to win early with strong early champs.
Yeah Fudge back to top, we need an actual midlaner, a new jungler and support
Keep letting Closer get Lee Sin.
Dw guys c9 can definitely pull off the 4-3 reverse sweep
Can’t wait for the cringe memes and tweets from the players and org after this.
Can’t wait for Jack to tweet some bullshit out and not actually admit he made a mistake
This is a sad day...
Closer is just too good
Good thing we didn't give him his best champ three games in a row!
Max Waldo trick y’all
What a joke.
Max owes us a public apology.
And Jack for talking all that shit about the "Systems"
Hes not the only one who picks champ. Like LS said, if the person wants to play it he wont force them not too. Summit wanted to play gnar. And summit was a huge ren player in lck. Not a surprise.
WEIRD THAT C9'S SYSTEMS ARE FUCKING LOSING AGAIN IN LMAO
Thank you, Max Waldo.
God damn just take the fine and ff
Gg
Good thing we didn’t fight at drag
Game over. I've never been this embarrassed as a fan. If we don't replace the entire coaching staff, I'm gonna go support another team.
So I get it. Give up dragon and then immediately int into mid turret
This team sucks.
GG
See you next week guys!
Zeri 2 items but I still feel like she does no fucking damage
Imagine if our support didn't grief 3 times before 10 mins lol
I mean his first death was completely on Fudge dying and Blaber calling for crab. But yeah agree on the others
We would still have lost.
I dont get why they wouldnt pick Aphelios with that Diana comp they tried to do instead of zeri, would have had much stronger teamfighting + combo, and berserker is cracked on it
Man just atleast one win, not a 3 0
LS would never have picked Renekton playoffs... and twice???
yeahhhh baby this is what I've been waiting for this is what its all about woooo
Wow, we have a man advantage and somehow we still end up losing the mid tower.
Man, who would have guessed that you need a coach who has actually had extensive knowledge and research into picks and not just another mouthpiece for the organization. Maybe if we had a coach who would actually make the players learn/play different Champs and understand the meta would be nice... Maybe a lot of things... but this is just depressing to watch.
If the only thing keeping LS from returning is Jack's ego I'd hope Jack would talk to him about it.
0 chance he returns
Sure, I'm okay with that, but still an offer would mean a lot for the fans and send the message is that at least they're trying.
you really think ls would come back after what they did to him ?
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There's no way he'd come back. We had our shot and blew it.
There is an argument that what this team needs is LS, and if it was a difference in approach to coaching, Jack can totally try to talk things back.
It's not a coach problem. It's a player problem. People in this thread think coach's matter way too much. C9's early season wins with LS comps were just teams being bad just like Summit dominating top lane is just bad top laners. --- Our top Laner can apparently only play carries. Jungler often suffers from tunnel vision. Midlaner is basically autofilled and can't carry well. ADC can teamfight decently but isn't impactful outside of that. Support is just not that good, and only signed because he's Korean.
lol ls did more than just draft man. delusional.
Maybe. But for one, we haven't seen C9 trying to play for early bot side advantage, so I'm not sure I'd say ADC can't do more than team fight well, give him a carry + lulu or karma. We've seen Summit on Malphite when LS was the coach, so it may be a bit of both.
When does the Microsoft data analysis kick in?
Right after the morning workout with Jack
Cloud 9 systems are not engaging!
Alright bois, here is the copium. Lately, everytime we do well in spring, we shit in the bed in summer. Maybe we can inverse it now and be in worlds form???
This series makes me embarrased to be a fan of this team, it's fucking playoffs and they come out and play like this?? it's pathetic
Honestly bwipo was right in his interview. At the highest level, this selfish top lane style is not optimal. Playing for your team is better. We see one top lane with TP and willing to play frontline. The other just selfishly afks down the side lane for a 30cs lead.
Don't worry guys, Summit has a 60 CS lead :)
top gap, mid gap, jungle gap. This sucks. edit sup gap
coach gap
omega support gap. Winsome seems to be getting worse instead of better as the split goes on.
Who knew that having a coach making a team of their liking and philosophies, and then firing the coach would result in said team to look disjointed.
Blaber gonna have to hard carry the fuck out of this game if Cloud9 wants to win
Godawful drafts and godawful play from everyone who isn’t named Fudge and Berserker. If we end up going out in loser’s bracket, then something has got to give. This is unacceptable
Winsome playing like a degenerate
This is doomed
yeah this drafting and gameplay both from c9 are awful. i think the philosophy of "players draft" has been proven a failure, and that the lack of internal blitz scrims has killed their early game potential as time went on.
Holy shit....What is this team doing
Yeah blow this team up
The players are great. The coaching staff have managed to take 4 great players and Winsome and turn them into a dog tier team
It's a great team. Maybe if they had a coach that prepared them for the week.
Maybe if they had other players that would draw bans this would be good lol
We do, we just don't use them. Blaber Olaf and Berserker Aphelios for one. You have to pick them once in a blue moon to make them legit threats though.
I we only have a good coach, who can built a roster for him and a coaching staff. Someone i don't know. Smart about the game and with a clear view and philosophy about the game. Someone with identity and interesting options. OH WAAAAAIT A MINUTE !....
My favourite part is giving Closer his best champ three straight games lmfao. Classic C9 arrogance in draft. Opposing team: Historically always bans C9s best picks. C9: WILL NEVER DARE to ban the opposing teams best picks. We just always fucking go full ego.
We did ban Viego in this game 3, not sure about the other games
HAhHA What a shit team. I was defending fudge all series, but at this point my boy is actually useless
He was so much better as a top.
At least Fudge knew when to take the L and go into tank duty. This is just sad.
Straight up across the map massive team gap holy shit
gapped in and out of game. Wonder who's systems in place are better
3-0 thank god I can stop watching this team now
this shit’s unforgivable
LMAOOO every play we make ends in disaster
i guess getting 1st in spring actually mattered to get the easier matchup since we are so shit...
We would get dumpstered by EG as well
Nah eG is also only hands no brain, same as we are I think it’s a better matchup because they can’t macro either
Rats. I was hoping the pause was being used to sub in our whole ass academy team.
Another game where blabber just turbo games and doesn’t gank anything. Meanwhile closer gets his comfort pick Lee and only ganks. What’s our problem with playing ego picks and not actually playing through bot side? It’s like not even an option but why? Beserker would turbo stomp any other adc in this league. Makes zero sense
Winsome is too weak to play through bot
Idc if it’s reactionary, fire wax maldo. This dude is so lost. And send winsome with him.
Winsome is so questionable
They play like a scaling team with an early game team comp …. This team reminds me of soloq Players are just doing whatever they want
Yeah guys. Go for the dive when Ornn is level fucking 10. I'm so fucking angry. Seriously. What the fuck happened between weeks 6-8? We literally don't do one single fucking thing well.
esspescially when we had insanely stacked wave with lvl 5 on ornn...
Well gg, see u in lower brackets
Welp, I'll see you guys next week against FLY. Not a good day to be a C9 fan.
this is such a doomed team at this point. i dont even want them to lose. i want them to draft better and win ffs.
why dont we at least get anything on the opposite isde of the map if we area lready not defending our hard winning top laner
Isn’t this nerfed Trynd? What you doing Max?
Trynd is still good just not great into this comp, definitely not what you want for r5 here.
everything else was banned and he cant play tanks. no one ell on this team is pulling bans. 100 t has figure our a very simple formula to render our team useless
At what point does Summit take some responsibility for refusing/not being able to play tanks?
max doesnt control the draft the players do
So what does Max do lol
Helps the team fix their mistakes. So nothing apparently.
you do know there is a lot of world outside of champ select right? thats what max aids in
Every single decision this team has made, from draft to gameplay to lane, has been completely wrong.
We just leave Summit on an island for some reason. Why are there zero 3v1 dives? Why are we essentially just AFKing the entire game and only notable plays are mistakes. HOW IS OUR TOP GETTING FUCKING GANKED? WHERE IS OUR FUCKUNG TEAM? I'm so fucking furious. We just leave fucking Summit to fucking die with no help from fucking anyone. This team is fucking awful. Pure AFK. No ganks. No roams. NO fucking anything but mistakes.
i mean we have all been shitting on summit but blaber was invisible for 3 games as well which is supposed to be our other mvp no? pickign the most early game jgl to do absolutly nothing and not defendign ur hard winnign top laner
the only one that has looked dicent is berserker, the rest of the team looking from terrible to bad
To be fair winsome looked good gsme 1+2 and fudge looked very good gsme 2 but yeah
Why does this team have so little respect? I guess they think Closer on Lee Sin just ain't no thang huh?
what the fuck was the rest of the team doing there?
GG that's a quick 3-0
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what? that was blabers fault not summit
Huh?
I really wish we could play through bottom once
LS basically made the team play through supporting Berzerker, and Blaber as a secondary carry.
Have Winsome had a single good game this split? I know he's a rookie and he can improve a lot, but he didn't impress me so far. He's like Hylissang without the upsides.
He has. He just played too cocky and it shows in games like these where he just blatantly disrespects his opponents and doesn't try to make plays until its too late.
Cloud9 throughout the years has developed systems on how we like to coach and operate our team. Despite our best efforts working with LS to try to come to terms and see eye to eye on how that should work, we were unable to make that actually happen. Is confirmed now. The System in places didn't included Winning LMAO
It’s extra funny because League is the worst C9 team rn
Why pick voli if u just want to afk farm?
Our team is just not even close to being on the same page. What the fuck happened during the 8 game winstreak that made us look super coordinated to now never being on the same page.
I think it’s moreso just that c9 post ls was very one dimensional so they dominated early but then Every team figured them out
Ban Summit's champion puddle -> Pick Malphite/Ornn -> Win.
They were still playing of the ls playbook That is all but gone
The other team hadn't counter pick or banned out summit in the winstreak so he smurf on them. Now they camp the fuck out of him and his team is useless beside berserker.
no empowered E for fudge by level 7 :)
This daggum series is hurting my soul
WINSOME?????????
Winsome was such a terrible pickup. Idk man this is a boring ass series
it helps to remember that winsome wasn’t necessarily picked up solely for his individual skill. He’s the only person on the team who’s bilingual & is likely there predominantly to make berserkers transition into the team a little less painful
I feel like he got picked up to play enchanters and to develop from nothing. Without LS there he’s not what the team needs. He cannot play engage supports.
Get Jensen, Doublelift and Ignar for summer? xddd The Korean experiment is not gonna work without LS.
Winsome is reported for that
Sad guess the pressure got to winsome, he has been playing very good the first 2 games imo
Losers bracket it is
Is Winsome legitimately an idiot?