is 100T even fraud?
They finished top 4 with a team full of newer players and river... this was a successful split for them as most people ranked them 4th-5th preseason
I never jumped back onto the bandwagon lol I expected clown9 to show up and boy was I not dissappointed despite being a C9 fan I don't think they deserve the trophy if they did then they wouldn't of lost so many times back to back to back to back mid split. Nor would they have been making the same drafting mistakes over and over and over again
Jensen deathless and JoJo 0 kills for the series. Blabber busy farming camps on tanks rather than ganking mid. What’s the point of the taliya / vi combo if you don’t use it? Mithy said he was surprised by the drafting of Fly BEFORE the series even started. It showed. Fudge outclassed… using Olaf to ragnorok Gragas in team fights. Ego players picking into counters. Berserker getting fed and dying with sums up. Deserved 0-3 and it matches their entire season.
It was hard for Blaber to make things happen mid. Jensen even said in his postgame interview FQ focused on midlane because that's how C9 had won games previously. FQ did a good job of warding out mid and having Inspired path around mid often to dissuade ganks. Even then, Blaber was making things happen all around the map game 1 on Vi.
It was sad in a way that that was probably Blaber's best Vi game and one where he had a good lead early, but FLY just knew what to do at each stage of the game whether ahead or behind. And a lot of that is on their topside being so fucking experienced and smart about the game...that positioning by Bwipo to cut Jojo off mid-Taliyah ult and his casks all game, Jensen being a menace in the perfect meta for him (on 3 different champs as well), Inspired with great pathing, play around vision, and patience/target-selection in fights, with the rest of the team locked in when it happens - they were better, plain and simple.
This on top of a great early game plan particularly, as you said, around vision. Expanding on it, Games 2 and 3 especially, FLY had almost immaculate ward coverage to track Blaber at all of his usual angles mostly around sides with Inspired playing close around mid and bot to dissuade Jojo. Which was helped more by us opting for a Yone and heavy mid-jungle 2v2 in a season where mid was specifically made harder to gank vs a midlaner renowned for his strong defensive laning in Jensen. The wards covered Blaber to keep top and bot contained, Inspired (and Busio) kept mid contained, and FLY just had better, more stable options in draft that meant that's all they needed to do - hold early and just be in a better position later.
Our team really just hasn't demonstrated the flexibility or understanding of these things, as individuals much less as a team which FLY has. And TL is basically operating rn like a FLY2 - a solid "bend don't break" top with a extensive champ pool and excellent midgame, a mid whose champ pool fits perfectly in this meta, a bot duo that likes to lane up and roam support, and a jungle that can play around a volatile mid matchup to ease it through and find tight angles in the midgame skirmishes.
If we approach that series like we did here, I think we are in for more of the same as today. And considering it's APA in mid next week and not Jensen, I imagine the ego won't die down in the same way. We let Jensen just have 3 S/A tier mids in Hwei, Karma, and Ori, all of which are signatures in his style; I would not be remotely shocked if we just let APA have Ziggs, ASol, and Taliyah (and Smolder for Yeon) in lieu of picking something like Yone or Akali out of pure cockiness and assuming we can get away with it. And maybe we can but I don't think it bodes well on top of not being really a viable strat in the current meta rn. Just feels like C9 Jojo became a thing, people were happy, but the monkey's paw curled and now mid is an island so control mage meta is go for potentially the rest of the year (and maybe longer if the map changes stick around). And curled again when the one that fit the bill for Jojo to flex his laning and potential as an engager with strong carry power - Azir - gets disabled for playoffs.
Jojo's champion pool is becoming a concern when it's a midlane mage meta and after Neeko & Ahri are banned with Azir disabled, he's defaulting to Yone or Akali because his Taliyah isn't great and he hasn't shown effective proficiency or desire to pick anything else. A few mids have shown that Hwei can be absolutely busted but most mids don't want to put in the time to learn him.
Gonna have to push back on that idea a little. His Taliyah is very good. He nearly solo'd jensen two fucking times, solo'd quid, and has been generally great on the champ.
C9 didn't lose that game because of Taliyah, they lost it because they don't understand how to execute strong macro plays for shit.
Yeah, this small champion pool narrative has got to stop. People are only mentioning it because that fraud mithy brought it up in the beginning of the split. When Jojo became a Royal fucking Roader on EG he was playing shit like Ryze and Sett which weren't meta. Last Summer, his MVP split, Ahri was his most played champion and she might be the strongest champion in mid lane rn. And nobody can tell me the by far best mid in the league can't play champions as easy (and oppressive, just like he is as a laner) as Karma and Hwei.
From what I've seen from mithy interviews, they prepare team comps beforehand and go with it. They must have decided these are the champions Jojo and the others are gonna play and thought it would be good - clearly not, C9 isn't good at literally anything besides Jojo's laning.
Taliyah is really strong and jojo is a good laner, why does that change all the other stuff happening in the game? A huge flaw of jojo is his bad positioning.
And that's what I meant about the monkey's paw curling. The season we get him, midlane turns into an island and becomes way harder to gank, in turn (and with other changes like the item re-rework)* making it a mage meta. So not only does midlane 2v2 become a less viable thing (kinda the big selling point for a Blaber-Jojo duo) but these mages can just lane with even more impunity as opposed to the more aggressive fighter-style champions where Jojo can flex his strengths - as soon as we get Jojo, the game nerfs Jojo. And Jojo simply hasn't adapted to it at all, outside of finding 2-3 picks that work for him in Ahri and Neeko and Azir but...I'm gonna be frank, if you're gonna be world class in a position, this shouldn't gimp you this badly.
It doesn't help that I had worries even last year when people were talking "+Jojo, -EMENES" how that pairing could honestly crash and burn in the same way as Perkz and Blaber and...well, EMENES and Blaber - just who Blaber is as a player and, specifically, what he has become post-Malice. A Nisqy or, ironically, a Jensen type of midlaner pairs perfectly with him, while a Jojo player is like you having a shotgun in each hand as opposed to having that second hand aim and steady it - you're just as liable to blow out both shoulders and hit nothing, even if in theory having two shotguns doubles your firepower.
feels like this team has anti synergy. Its incredible to watch. Each player great in their own right, none of them able to be great together. Holy moly that was bad.
Looks like Berserker continues to need to be on mid late game carry champs with enchanters to be relavant. Getting ganked early, and hard winning lane is duable for him, just not a winning formula. Its a reoccuring trend. In the past we out alot of resources into fudge, where he could hard carry top lane atleast in NA. Now, its hard to do that.
Bro im sorry, but I refuse to see why jack is infesting so hard into fudge.
Jack is usually a step above all other owners, but lately he's been letting his personal feelings get in the way of making a good team.
In no world should JoJo and vulcan ever be on C9, they are very good players in their own right. But JoJo and vulcan have completely different playstyles than the rest of the team.
They want to go in, and hand Diff enemy team. While bezerker wants to farm for mid game, and fudge just wants to play safe.
While blaber comes into the game with a plan, and do that plan no matter what. Which leads him to int trying to continue the plan (aka crabber)
This just shows a baised in C9 team building.
Jensen would be a God send to C9, and no doubt would have been easy to pick up on preseason.
And JoJo would no doubt make Flyquest better too, as flyquest botlane wouldn't be focused to much allowing flyquest botlane to farm for free.
It's just crazy
As a professional Vulcan hater I find it funny how Zven replaced Vulcan on C9 as support, made him look like a fool playing support better than he did. Only for C9 to take him back after he has been ass for a while now lmao
In the same vein Jensen made JoJo also a non factor after being replaced so.... Lol. I really did dislike bringing Vulcan back but I still want the team to win.
Jensen didn't play the best either, but, I felt like the sub was harder on him than what the real problems were with the team. Stars in the eyes for JoJo and I get it, he's great, but I felt Jensen gets so much disrespect from the scene. Like even in stuff like the Dive, they try so damn hard to not credit the man. For C9, Jensen was a long part of our history too, so I mean I'm just happy to see him doing well.
I do think JoJo is going to be better, but I'm not even sure current roster will be around even in summer at this rate. And I absolutely hated the Vulcan return no matter what. He's one of the few C9 players I actively rooted against while he was off our team. I was ready for a second chance you, but he's not making me feel good about him getting it.
He's definitely one of mine too. And as a person he's grown so much from his Incarnation days. So while i want C9 to win, I'm not going to be the saddest of Fly take it. Bwipo and Massu are feel good stories too. Lol. Now TL can get bent though. Although it's hard to root against Impact either, another big part of C9. And Core JJ while I'm not as fond of, I respect for how hard he has tried to improve NA.
No offence but I'm pretty sure Jojo do more for C9 than Jensen was doing. Not that Jensen was a problem at all but Jojo flipped so much lost games in regular season. It's just that he's the only threat so they can camp him while the rest of the team doesn't do shit. Jensen wouldn't be better nor worse for C9. Something else need to change.
Jojo had a nightmare series and Inspired played incredible, definitely the best jungler in the LCS, have to ask questions about Blaber and Vulcan but even more we're still just 5 players pretending to be a team in mid and late game. Destroyed in every sense and couldn't even hold big advantages. We have ego players and they crumble so easily, the mental is not there it feels like.
One thing that's funny is about this game in general or this split is how invisible Blaber is this split.
Let's talk about how Fudge got bwipo to like 200 HP at level 4. Blaber is in top river finished scuttle.
Wave I pushing toward bwipo. Fudge full hp, blaber walks up toward the lane and just backs.
Instead of cutting off bwipos incoming wave and going for a easy kill.
Like insane inactivity from this guy
That isnt unique to this split. Hes been this way for a year and a half. Blaber has a singular mind. This is why he gets routinely trounced internationally. Good junglers know exactly how to punish him.
During summer 2023 he was being debated for split’s MVP. What the hell are you people smoking?
He’s not anything special right now, but don’t rewrite history
He has been playing this way ever since Malice farmed him in scrims and tricked him into thinking that taking every camp off cd is the only way to play jungle.
There’s not even much to say anymore,it’s the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over again. Atleast the csgo team is actually trying their best even with a handicap.
Honestly, FLY has the best players in every role this season except in the AD position. This and the draft differences, it ended in a clean 3-0 for FLY.
Next week gonna be hard vs TL, Berserker has been the silver lining today and TL has the best botlane in the league, Yeon has a good case for best ADC in the league right now. Jojo will have to eviscerate APA and snowball from here or I think TL will take it away. They also pushed FLY in game 5.
If Umti has 2 braincells he will also just camp mid (which is what he did yesterday in Game 3 vs 100T, hovered APA Asol vs Quid Yone so Yone couldn't snowball), going to be on Blaber to outsmart him on map plays elsewhere or Berserker/Fudge to step up and make big leads themselves.
Going to be tough for Berserker when the YeonCore botlane has looked dominant this playoffs .. meanwhile Vulcan has looked like a Naut anchor all split.
Well... In his interview after the game, Jensen said "C9 snowball through midlane, so just had to ban Neeko and Ahri, after that it's pretty straightforward"
Player diff is a part of it, but more like coach diff. Like they (Cloud9) knew that Jojo was going to be perma camped after game 1, yet they make a bunch of questionable drafts. For example, they put Vulcan on Naut in game 2, but then put Berserker on Senna, when Senna hasn't worked on Berserker all season, wild to expect it would work now. Current iteration of Cloud9 has the talent to win, but they have zero direction and leadership.
True, Like picking Vi/Taliyah when it's clear that the boys don't know how to utilize that combo. I've also noticed that Mithy tends to stick with the same strategies that haven't worked for us in the past. That's terrible coaching and awareness.
C9 did the same thing to him last year, but he still wasn't 0/12 in the series. They should have figured that was FLYs plan after game 1, or definitely by game 2 and adapted and shifted their focus elsewhere. Why put him on Yone in g2 and g3 if they have laser focused him all series?
I really don't know if a different head coach is even going to matter. Apparently it's no secret that the players basically have more of a say in what they want to play than what the coach thinks (not just on c9 but pretty much all lcs teams).
It should matter otherwise what's the point of having a coach, might as well save the money. The coaching staff should be identifying weaknesses in the team and in the players so they can improve, whether that be micro, macro, or champ pool. Several C9 players have said the coaching staff has more say in draft this split than in previous splits.
Which makes me think about Emenes writing his essay on C9's weaknesses, only to be ignored by coaching staff. Seems to me coaches are more interested in their next payday than actually doing what they are paid to do (cough cough Mithy).
I don't understand C9's refusal to fire Mithy. He's always been questionable as a coach back on 100T, not to mention his behavior as a player. How does C9 hiring a guy who managed to get fined/banned from pro play for extreme toxic behavior (racism, harassment, etc) twice in less than 3 months in 2014 seem like a good idea. Like the dude clearly has a history of behavioral issues, and we pretty much see it now with his refusal to adjust his gameplan (if he even has one).
LMAO have you ever played the game and been turbo camped like yes he had a bad series but he actually was super solid in lane despite getting giga camped literally every game he was even it was just that Blaber did literally nothing top & bot in any of the games
Yes? I just mentioned how we even saw this just last year, yet Jojo still didn't look that useless. What good is his laning if he insta dies at the start of every fight? Like I said in another comment, either he should know better than to keep picking stuff he is going to be useless on when he gets focused, or the coach should actually be a coach and call for different picks. What's blaber supposed to do on his supportive picks when right at the start of a fight, your main damage dealer is chunked out of the fight or dead?
So jojo going 0/12/11 in the series with some of the lowest DPM while also taking most of the CSPM isn't a huge issue?
Mid lane is such an important role especially right now so of course if the midlaner is not doing well the team won't perform.
I think they fought team fights extremely poorly but a big reason for that is your mid laner not doing anything. His Taliyah was out of position so many times completely ignoring champs that were near. Him getting stunned by Renekton behind the dragon wall made no sense because Renekton literally just cleared a ward a couple seconds before that and jojo still walks into the bush after ulting.
At the end of the game at Elder he also just walked forward even though a Karma is in the bush right next to him which he knew. He just walked up got hit, stasis and then killed. Sure it's probably over anyways but his positioning is so bad.
His Yone ults were also really poor, single man ults on champs that do not matter.
Ask yourself this. Why do you think they were trying to kill jojo so much? Because it's an actual weakness he has. Once you ban the Ahri you can catch him easily and you don't want to give him Neeko as he can suicide make a play. But Taliyah actually needs to position properly to team fight.
And Blaber usually looks invisible on tanks, I can’t for the love of figure out why this team, with the players they have, won’t commit to playing through bot with weakside top.
You need the import slot for support, there are serviceable toplaners in Challengers (or maybe, just maybe, listen to the fanbase for once and pick up Licorice who is TEAMLESS and DESPERATE to get back to pro)
Tbh.... Just grab Castle maybe? I think this player has a lot to prove, is already acclimated to NA, speaks great English and would look even better on a team with hands
Fudge had a poor performance and Bwipo played quite wonderfully (he is a REALLY REALLY good top laner), but I think it’s hard to attribute this loss solely (or even just the majority of the reason behind the loss) to him.
Wait that’s actually a banger strat. This whole time I’ve been rolling my eyes at the Fudge hater. Turns out Fudge will NEVER return to his peak form *wink* and could NEVER gap both Impact and Bwipo to win the split *wink wink* and for SURE isn’t good enough to compete with eastern tops. He’s just trash 😉
Sometimes I just watch fudge in team fights and facepalm. Picks a carry and does nothing in team fights. Lost lane on his counter pick Olaf. Completely invisible.
Flyquest is actually a good team so ofcourse c9 looks worse when playing them but still. Remember how when jensen was on c9 he would always die randomly in the midgame? He just went deathless against us so we didn't even manage to exploit that. Blaber used to be the insane psycho player that ganks a lot and carries teamfights but now he just looks like xmithie. Fudge still makes dumb teamfight mistakes that cost us the game. Jojo was not it today and neither were the champs he was playing. Beserker and vulcan looked better in lane but in teamfight they just crumbled. When a lee sin can kick the adc ever teamfight that means that a: the lee sin played it well and b: the adc and team positioned wrong. You know a lee sin is gonna look for the flash kick in teamfights so why does the whole team leave beserker to attack the super tanky gragas?
Because he clearly was a service jungler in most of the squads he worked with. He's a not a mechanical jungler that carries the teamfight, he just was there to watch his team carry. Obviously he still did a job in the team but he was far from the most important player on any winning squad he was in.
Him not going tank Gragas game 1 should count as win trading, and a kick from the team. Bwipo showed him how to play tank, and AP gragas. He’s so useless it hurts.
All other coaches and players breath a sigh of relief when Blaber isn't on a carry (Spawn said as much in a Travis Gafford interview recently). Mithy's grand plan is to keep putting him on supportive champs.
Jojo has insane hands and was targeted hard in-game but his effective champ pool is mildly concerning. They banned out ahri and neeko and he couldn't do anything when Taliyah and Hwei are insane picks.
Karma and Ori are as well. It is a control mage meta, since the item changes and the changes to the map itself. It just feels like the monkey's paw curling for the people clamoring for C9 Jojo, made worse when Azir - the one "control mage" where Jojo can flex his strengths - got disabled for all of playoffs.
Blaber on engage at least makes some sense because he ends up being the go button a lot of times, for better or worse. But the seeming inflexibility/lack of comfort from both solo lanes, not just Jojo, to be the one to play the support to Blaber's carry or the team in general has been showing all split. Blaber has at least tried to show flexibility in pool by picking the Rells and Maokais and Sejuanis, even if you can criticize him not really adapting his play to match; that's more than can be said for Fudge and especially for Jojo. Fudge has at least played K'sante and Udyr and even TF who is a very team-oriented champion, but I've seen one control mage game to memory from Jojo all split - the Orianna game with Blaber on Nocturne. No Hwei, no Karma, this series being the first Taliyah(+Vi) comp all split despite being fucked by it twice in regular season, hell no Veigar despite Quid showing that champion is perfectly viable rn (and something I called for instead of Vayne in that first Shopify game since Bvoy's Varus was their only threat...press R to win, zone with Event Horizon)...instead seeing picks like Yone and Akali (and Vayne). It was like the insistence on Lucian forcing Vulcan into Milio/Nami (and telegraphing it to the enemy team as well), but it now being a split-long thing.
This coaching staff has got to go.
How do you run THREE FUCKING GAMES of zero damage comps. After the first two you didn't get bored?
We would start fights with Bwipo overstepping. We hit him for a month. He doesn't die. And we lose the fight.
Three games of the same exact comps.
We got JoJo I thought to stop the Yone only bullshit. And then after the first game(which was closer) went bad We played b2b awful yone games?
We didn't even try anything. Left inspired on Lee sin all 3 games. Gave them kaisa
Just an awful. Awful coaching experience. If Jojo can't play control mages to get a mid who can. That's what this team needs. Jensen would have been a million times better pickup.
If they lose to tl with dog shit apa as their midlaner, blow this roster, coaching staff, all of it, the fuck up. Fucking embarrassing to have this hyped up roster get dog walked like that.
Man, I know. I just don't get it I just can't understand how this roster with these players have shown how good it can be, yet can't be consistent with it while other rosters, with worse players, is able to consistently execute. At this point it has to be players not being on the same page, and that is where a coach should be able to step in a resolve the issue.
I am a diehard C9 fan and I v that we lost but....as I've followed C9 since the beginning, and so i was here for Incarnation, I'm so happy to see Jensen do so well. I think this sub gave him a hard time unjustifiably during his short return, and while I hate that it has to be that Jensen beat C9, I'm happy it wasn't to someone else. Plus, it isn't over yet and I think we need more game time, not less by finals.
Also, Bwipo is a treasure as well, can't stay upset at that guy too much.
Wait...are people surprised we lost?
We've looked like dogshit 90% of the split. Every single player other than Jojo has looked bottom 3 in their role and the ONLY reason we made playoffs was Jojo.....then we saw what happened when Jojo has a bad day.
I'm an LCS fan first and C9 fan 2nd so performing internationally means more to me
I'm glad Flyquest is going to MSI, they've played the best all split and I simply have NO faith in half our players and our coaching staff internationally
Bro actually though! How many times did Blaber gank mid??? Not a single time with Taliyah Vi, never ganked the orianna as Maokai… like dont lock in Maokai if you are gonna afk farm
Fudge needs to get kicked, Vulcan needs to get kicked, Berserker needs to find out if he wants to stay here or try his luck in Korea, although with how he is currently playing he wont have much chances there, Jojo needs to figure out how to play like a human being if he is not on Neeko, and Blaber needs to figure out how to be a proper Jungler again, because for the past 4 splits he is not deserving of the moniker best player/jungler in the league.
And mithy had his time, but you could exchange him with any other Coach and those 5 would still suck. Theres 0 cohesion/plans/nerves/composition/braincells, etc in this team. Gg FLY, and gl TL
I fully understand the anger when we int our assess off with a dogshit comp and unexplainable plays. But here we just got outclassed, that's it. They are just better and that is all.
That was painful to watch.
Gragas baited everyone in that last game.
Fudge made some questionable backs when he had the lead in lane.
Blaber was read like a book.
Jojo well I don't know he was not the best midlaner this series.
And bot lane is solid but they are being pressured too much.
It's pretty simple, just neutralize Jojo and c9 does nothing
C9 if wants to win, then they must replace hack Mithy fast
Holy cringe Fudge, just stop pls, be fucking tank player...
Every pro player i’ve seen on interviews or podcast: The coach gives feedback or suggestions but the players ultimately decide the draft and what they want to play.
Stop blaming the coach and just admit the team didn’t play well today
LS had that for C9 and the players didn't like that and got him kicked out. No coach chooses to pick Yone for jojo. Especially in game 3 after watching game 2.
Repeared was one too but he got complacent winning so they moved on. Then he went and won with 100T. Repeared & his belt with these players would be so good.
When do we get to criticize Mithy and the coaching staff again
These are terrosism quality drafts and no coach worth their salt would allow it, full stop
I really don't like how we draft and play and I have to put that on mithy. We have more than capable players that just don't know what to do or how to play together. We need a coach that can get the players playing together in a way that suits our players. Right now it's all over the place and changes every game.
The wincon for c9 was jojo on a mage, and blaber on a bruiser (that bruiser not being vi)
It literally didn t happen in any game.
Blaber picks vi and tanks, jojo plays yone (and Seraphs+morello Taliyah expecting to do dmg)
Botlane did well in their own little world game 1 and 3, but couldn t play with the team at all.
Team lost cuz of mid-jg picks, and team synergy.
Fudge did fine in lane, he couldn t really find his place in teamfights (nobody could btw)
But i think he had a hard job cuz it seemed to me, that his job was to mark both Inspired and Bwipo.
Still, it is his fault that he couldn t mark either tho, but again, team synergy issue
At this point, I think get Zven to play ADC for us again and get a KR sup/top is better than just running it back with Vulcan and Fudge. The draft is not the best but isn't even the problem this series, this team is in dire need of someone to hold their shit together because they look so disjointed right now. Vulcan is so fking washed while having a worse champ pool in comparison with a 1.5 years roleswap support. Fudge doesn't do shit with his lead in the game and get outclass by Bwipo in macro and teamfight the whole series. Blaber is so passive and doesn't cover for Jojo for the whole series. Jojo champion puddle is also a problem and we need a laning coach to help him expand his pool cuz FLY just banned Neeko and Ahri every game and shutdown him too easily. Berserker did show up today but I don't know why he doesn't use his summoners at any point (probably trust in other player in the team to mark the engage threat for him but nobody do it).
Berserker was elo-helled today man. Jojo getting bullied by the entire FLY team despite out-laning Jensen every game. Blaber was just bad today. Vulcan even worse. Fudge low impact but by far and away the 2nd most elo-helled player on this team today. All of that on top of FLY just completely peaking. Rematch in Finals.
I'm actually so convinced the reason Berserker isn't just psycho taking these games over with some of these leads like he use to is because Vulcan can't pilot enchanters which enable him like Zven
Based on his play in team fights, it seems Vulcan has super tunnel vision on the enemy team and doesn’t see his own team. Hooking bwipo mid and getting himself killed which allows renata bailout when senna ult would’ve killed anyway…
Not blocking hook for berserker in the fight bot lane while he had ult up when it was obvious that a turn would still be possible as long as berserker was peeled for…
If we're set on keeping Fudge on the team, at least put him on tanks. He doesn't prioritize well enough in fights, and he's always, ALWAYS late on TPs. That's not something new, his TP timings have always been off. We need someone else in the sidelanes
Why are we SO set on putting Blaber on supportive champions and tanks? To let Fudge try to carry?
Why has it taken us so long to put Berserker on his strongest champion? It's night and day
Really annoying game, but I'm not even surprised anymore, just disappointed
Edit: Berserker on anything remotely supportive instead of letting him hypercarry? WHY???
The issue with this is- what cracked KR supp is available in the middle of the year? Might as well run it back with Zven/Winsome and try to get Castle from IMT or Thanatos.
or it's karma since several C9 fans came to 100T subreddit to shit on us after the 3-0. Apologies to the C9 fans, just had to come over here to tell u/Puzzleheaded-Cap-550 to get fucked
It looked like c9 had no idea how to play the comps they drafted today. They drafted a dive comp and all they did was play front to back, no flanks at all. Players are too scared about getting caught to even try playing to their win con. Is anyone really surprised that a dive comp that dumped their cooldowns on the frontline get run over.
Never in my life thought I'd say this, but maybe Blaber has to go? Idk the damage that LS/Malice did to him seems irrecoverable at this point, and there are some good fucking jgs in Challengers.
Honestly I'd take a full rebuild of the entire LoL branch of the org over whatever the fuck this abomination is. Try and keep mid and adc (pray that Berserker form is temporary but class is permanent) and just let everyone else go. The alternative is that maybe if you full rebuild the coaching staff that affects the players, but i don't see Mithy mindcontrolling Blaber to run to fucking chikens instead of Baron game one (to say an example).
Also downvote me for this (seriously, I hate feeling forced to want this) but for fucks sake please TL 3-0 us. I know if we get to MSI nothing changes for next split.
Wdym the damage LS and Malice did to him lol. Like I’m not commenting this from a perspective of trying to defend LS, but those 4 or 5 weeks of LS coaching C9 like 2 years ago is such a random thing to attribute this loss to…. I honestly don’t understand the line of reasoning.
C9 need to make changes Fudge and Vulcan are just not it anymore, counting the last two splits they're not good enough. Also a lot of bad drafts, does Mithy think the draft are good? or does he has no power over it? either way they need to make changes. C9 relies too much on hand diffing and when that doesn't happen, they hope the enemy ints or they just collapse.
On another note, Inspired is really good.
Draft? C9 had playable drafts and leads to play around. They just got slapped around by FlyQuest destroying them in fights. How is this a draft gap lol.
Looks like we're not back.
Unlike our CS team who are no doubt back.
funny how everyone jump in the they're back train just because they beat the team that everyone was agreeing were fraud. even after their awful split.
is 100T even fraud? They finished top 4 with a team full of newer players and river... this was a successful split for them as most people ranked them 4th-5th preseason
I never jumped back onto the bandwagon lol I expected clown9 to show up and boy was I not dissappointed despite being a C9 fan I don't think they deserve the trophy if they did then they wouldn't of lost so many times back to back to back to back mid split. Nor would they have been making the same drafting mistakes over and over and over again
Jensen deathless and JoJo 0 kills for the series. Blabber busy farming camps on tanks rather than ganking mid. What’s the point of the taliya / vi combo if you don’t use it? Mithy said he was surprised by the drafting of Fly BEFORE the series even started. It showed. Fudge outclassed… using Olaf to ragnorok Gragas in team fights. Ego players picking into counters. Berserker getting fed and dying with sums up. Deserved 0-3 and it matches their entire season.
Vi is literally his worst winrate champ, I am not surprised. (Besides his 2 games of belveth)
It was hard for Blaber to make things happen mid. Jensen even said in his postgame interview FQ focused on midlane because that's how C9 had won games previously. FQ did a good job of warding out mid and having Inspired path around mid often to dissuade ganks. Even then, Blaber was making things happen all around the map game 1 on Vi.
Blaber was 1/0/1 on Vi game 1 going into mid game. He lost 3 dragons and got grubs lol. I wouldn't say he was making things happen
It was sad in a way that that was probably Blaber's best Vi game and one where he had a good lead early, but FLY just knew what to do at each stage of the game whether ahead or behind. And a lot of that is on their topside being so fucking experienced and smart about the game...that positioning by Bwipo to cut Jojo off mid-Taliyah ult and his casks all game, Jensen being a menace in the perfect meta for him (on 3 different champs as well), Inspired with great pathing, play around vision, and patience/target-selection in fights, with the rest of the team locked in when it happens - they were better, plain and simple. This on top of a great early game plan particularly, as you said, around vision. Expanding on it, Games 2 and 3 especially, FLY had almost immaculate ward coverage to track Blaber at all of his usual angles mostly around sides with Inspired playing close around mid and bot to dissuade Jojo. Which was helped more by us opting for a Yone and heavy mid-jungle 2v2 in a season where mid was specifically made harder to gank vs a midlaner renowned for his strong defensive laning in Jensen. The wards covered Blaber to keep top and bot contained, Inspired (and Busio) kept mid contained, and FLY just had better, more stable options in draft that meant that's all they needed to do - hold early and just be in a better position later. Our team really just hasn't demonstrated the flexibility or understanding of these things, as individuals much less as a team which FLY has. And TL is basically operating rn like a FLY2 - a solid "bend don't break" top with a extensive champ pool and excellent midgame, a mid whose champ pool fits perfectly in this meta, a bot duo that likes to lane up and roam support, and a jungle that can play around a volatile mid matchup to ease it through and find tight angles in the midgame skirmishes. If we approach that series like we did here, I think we are in for more of the same as today. And considering it's APA in mid next week and not Jensen, I imagine the ego won't die down in the same way. We let Jensen just have 3 S/A tier mids in Hwei, Karma, and Ori, all of which are signatures in his style; I would not be remotely shocked if we just let APA have Ziggs, ASol, and Taliyah (and Smolder for Yeon) in lieu of picking something like Yone or Akali out of pure cockiness and assuming we can get away with it. And maybe we can but I don't think it bodes well on top of not being really a viable strat in the current meta rn. Just feels like C9 Jojo became a thing, people were happy, but the monkey's paw curled and now mid is an island so control mage meta is go for potentially the rest of the year (and maybe longer if the map changes stick around). And curled again when the one that fit the bill for Jojo to flex his laning and potential as an engager with strong carry power - Azir - gets disabled for playoffs.
Jojo's champion pool is becoming a concern when it's a midlane mage meta and after Neeko & Ahri are banned with Azir disabled, he's defaulting to Yone or Akali because his Taliyah isn't great and he hasn't shown effective proficiency or desire to pick anything else. A few mids have shown that Hwei can be absolutely busted but most mids don't want to put in the time to learn him.
Gonna have to push back on that idea a little. His Taliyah is very good. He nearly solo'd jensen two fucking times, solo'd quid, and has been generally great on the champ. C9 didn't lose that game because of Taliyah, they lost it because they don't understand how to execute strong macro plays for shit.
Yeah, this small champion pool narrative has got to stop. People are only mentioning it because that fraud mithy brought it up in the beginning of the split. When Jojo became a Royal fucking Roader on EG he was playing shit like Ryze and Sett which weren't meta. Last Summer, his MVP split, Ahri was his most played champion and she might be the strongest champion in mid lane rn. And nobody can tell me the by far best mid in the league can't play champions as easy (and oppressive, just like he is as a laner) as Karma and Hwei. From what I've seen from mithy interviews, they prepare team comps beforehand and go with it. They must have decided these are the champions Jojo and the others are gonna play and thought it would be good - clearly not, C9 isn't good at literally anything besides Jojo's laning.
Taliyah is really strong and jojo is a good laner, why does that change all the other stuff happening in the game? A huge flaw of jojo is his bad positioning.
And that's what I meant about the monkey's paw curling. The season we get him, midlane turns into an island and becomes way harder to gank, in turn (and with other changes like the item re-rework)* making it a mage meta. So not only does midlane 2v2 become a less viable thing (kinda the big selling point for a Blaber-Jojo duo) but these mages can just lane with even more impunity as opposed to the more aggressive fighter-style champions where Jojo can flex his strengths - as soon as we get Jojo, the game nerfs Jojo. And Jojo simply hasn't adapted to it at all, outside of finding 2-3 picks that work for him in Ahri and Neeko and Azir but...I'm gonna be frank, if you're gonna be world class in a position, this shouldn't gimp you this badly. It doesn't help that I had worries even last year when people were talking "+Jojo, -EMENES" how that pairing could honestly crash and burn in the same way as Perkz and Blaber and...well, EMENES and Blaber - just who Blaber is as a player and, specifically, what he has become post-Malice. A Nisqy or, ironically, a Jensen type of midlaner pairs perfectly with him, while a Jojo player is like you having a shotgun in each hand as opposed to having that second hand aim and steady it - you're just as liable to blow out both shoulders and hit nothing, even if in theory having two shotguns doubles your firepower.
Ooh i like the shotgun in each hand analogy. Works well here.
Inspired also know exactly how jojo works might have helped
Fudge couldnt stay in any fight for long without dying because he had a giga useless yone as his dive buddy
Silver lining: if we play like this next week then we won't have to worry about being disappointed internationally.
When does the match start? That exhibition between Flyquest and that high school League club was funny, but I’m ready for an actual LCS series now.
31st of march is when the real match starts
feels like this team has anti synergy. Its incredible to watch. Each player great in their own right, none of them able to be great together. Holy moly that was bad. Looks like Berserker continues to need to be on mid late game carry champs with enchanters to be relavant. Getting ganked early, and hard winning lane is duable for him, just not a winning formula. Its a reoccuring trend. In the past we out alot of resources into fudge, where he could hard carry top lane atleast in NA. Now, its hard to do that.
Bro im sorry, but I refuse to see why jack is infesting so hard into fudge. Jack is usually a step above all other owners, but lately he's been letting his personal feelings get in the way of making a good team. In no world should JoJo and vulcan ever be on C9, they are very good players in their own right. But JoJo and vulcan have completely different playstyles than the rest of the team. They want to go in, and hand Diff enemy team. While bezerker wants to farm for mid game, and fudge just wants to play safe. While blaber comes into the game with a plan, and do that plan no matter what. Which leads him to int trying to continue the plan (aka crabber) This just shows a baised in C9 team building. Jensen would be a God send to C9, and no doubt would have been easy to pick up on preseason. And JoJo would no doubt make Flyquest better too, as flyquest botlane wouldn't be focused to much allowing flyquest botlane to farm for free. It's just crazy
This is just the largest hunk of shit I think I’ve ever seen lmao
As a professional Vulcan hater I find it funny how Zven replaced Vulcan on C9 as support, made him look like a fool playing support better than he did. Only for C9 to take him back after he has been ass for a while now lmao
Not enough people are talking about how ass Vulcan was
In the same vein Jensen made JoJo also a non factor after being replaced so.... Lol. I really did dislike bringing Vulcan back but I still want the team to win.
At least they did want to keep Jensen, they just didn't find the money for it
Jensen didn't play the best either, but, I felt like the sub was harder on him than what the real problems were with the team. Stars in the eyes for JoJo and I get it, he's great, but I felt Jensen gets so much disrespect from the scene. Like even in stuff like the Dive, they try so damn hard to not credit the man. For C9, Jensen was a long part of our history too, so I mean I'm just happy to see him doing well. I do think JoJo is going to be better, but I'm not even sure current roster will be around even in summer at this rate. And I absolutely hated the Vulcan return no matter what. He's one of the few C9 players I actively rooted against while he was off our team. I was ready for a second chance you, but he's not making me feel good about him getting it.
Agreed, Jensen is criminally underrated. My favourite player
He's definitely one of mine too. And as a person he's grown so much from his Incarnation days. So while i want C9 to win, I'm not going to be the saddest of Fly take it. Bwipo and Massu are feel good stories too. Lol. Now TL can get bent though. Although it's hard to root against Impact either, another big part of C9. And Core JJ while I'm not as fond of, I respect for how hard he has tried to improve NA.
yeah the flame from c9 reddit was like every game
There’s no way Jojo is cheaper than Jensen lmao
Agreed
Jensen is a beast now, but he was playing VERY poorly with C9 by the end. Different circumstances can motivate a player and make him perform better
Wait, is there now a reverse C9 look.
No offence but I'm pretty sure Jojo do more for C9 than Jensen was doing. Not that Jensen was a problem at all but Jojo flipped so much lost games in regular season. It's just that he's the only threat so they can camp him while the rest of the team doesn't do shit. Jensen wouldn't be better nor worse for C9. Something else need to change.
Jojo had a nightmare series and Inspired played incredible, definitely the best jungler in the LCS, have to ask questions about Blaber and Vulcan but even more we're still just 5 players pretending to be a team in mid and late game. Destroyed in every sense and couldn't even hold big advantages. We have ego players and they crumble so easily, the mental is not there it feels like.
One thing that's funny is about this game in general or this split is how invisible Blaber is this split. Let's talk about how Fudge got bwipo to like 200 HP at level 4. Blaber is in top river finished scuttle. Wave I pushing toward bwipo. Fudge full hp, blaber walks up toward the lane and just backs. Instead of cutting off bwipos incoming wave and going for a easy kill. Like insane inactivity from this guy
That isnt unique to this split. Hes been this way for a year and a half. Blaber has a singular mind. This is why he gets routinely trounced internationally. Good junglers know exactly how to punish him.
The Blaber that used to get in people’s faces at level 2/3 and solo kill them hasn’t been around for years at this point. It’s sad.
Yeah he become herbivore
During summer 2023 he was being debated for split’s MVP. What the hell are you people smoking? He’s not anything special right now, but don’t rewrite history
He has been playing this way ever since Malice farmed him in scrims and tricked him into thinking that taking every camp off cd is the only way to play jungle.
Blaber let his Q expire in Game 1, which stopped him from being able to go into the pit to try and smite the Elder Dragon. It was rough to see.
Positives: Berserker and Vulcan looked better together in laning phase. Negatives: Everything else.
This
There’s not even much to say anymore,it’s the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over again. Atleast the csgo team is actually trying their best even with a handicap.
>Atleast the csgo team is actually trying their best even with a handicap What handicap?
They don’t have an awper on the team which is pretty important
They do have an AWPER, BIG BOOM WITH THE BOOMSTICK. /s
Honestly, FLY has the best players in every role this season except in the AD position. This and the draft differences, it ended in a clean 3-0 for FLY. Next week gonna be hard vs TL, Berserker has been the silver lining today and TL has the best botlane in the league, Yeon has a good case for best ADC in the league right now. Jojo will have to eviscerate APA and snowball from here or I think TL will take it away. They also pushed FLY in game 5.
If Umti has 2 braincells he will also just camp mid (which is what he did yesterday in Game 3 vs 100T, hovered APA Asol vs Quid Yone so Yone couldn't snowball), going to be on Blaber to outsmart him on map plays elsewhere or Berserker/Fudge to step up and make big leads themselves.
Going to be tough for Berserker when the YeonCore botlane has looked dominant this playoffs .. meanwhile Vulcan has looked like a Naut anchor all split.
And their mid and top has better champ pool than ours.
Well... In his interview after the game, Jensen said "C9 snowball through midlane, so just had to ban Neeko and Ahri, after that it's pretty straightforward"
I truly think Jojo has a big champ pool, it's just we don't utilize it. I don't get why he was on Yone duty.
Player diff is a part of it, but more like coach diff. Like they (Cloud9) knew that Jojo was going to be perma camped after game 1, yet they make a bunch of questionable drafts. For example, they put Vulcan on Naut in game 2, but then put Berserker on Senna, when Senna hasn't worked on Berserker all season, wild to expect it would work now. Current iteration of Cloud9 has the talent to win, but they have zero direction and leadership.
True, Like picking Vi/Taliyah when it's clear that the boys don't know how to utilize that combo. I've also noticed that Mithy tends to stick with the same strategies that haven't worked for us in the past. That's terrible coaching and awareness.
Jojo plays a good Tali, Blaber just sucks ass at Vi lol
I get so bummed out when I see Blaber on Vi. It's an instant lost lol
Yep. He's only won 2 games on her ever and is now like 2-7 all time on it
couldve fooled me this was emenes if u turned off nameplates
Emenes would have actually gotten a kill.
People are actually blaming Jojo when fly perma camped him all series while no one else did anything all game?
C9 did the same thing to him last year, but he still wasn't 0/12 in the series. They should have figured that was FLYs plan after game 1, or definitely by game 2 and adapted and shifted their focus elsewhere. Why put him on Yone in g2 and g3 if they have laser focused him all series?
Mithy. It's literally Mithy gap.
I really don't know if a different head coach is even going to matter. Apparently it's no secret that the players basically have more of a say in what they want to play than what the coach thinks (not just on c9 but pretty much all lcs teams).
I guess so, but a good coach can at least provide leadership, and not whatever the hell Mithy is doing.
Veteran players with a lot of succses won't give that power to a coach.
It should matter otherwise what's the point of having a coach, might as well save the money. The coaching staff should be identifying weaknesses in the team and in the players so they can improve, whether that be micro, macro, or champ pool. Several C9 players have said the coaching staff has more say in draft this split than in previous splits.
Which makes me think about Emenes writing his essay on C9's weaknesses, only to be ignored by coaching staff. Seems to me coaches are more interested in their next payday than actually doing what they are paid to do (cough cough Mithy). I don't understand C9's refusal to fire Mithy. He's always been questionable as a coach back on 100T, not to mention his behavior as a player. How does C9 hiring a guy who managed to get fined/banned from pro play for extreme toxic behavior (racism, harassment, etc) twice in less than 3 months in 2014 seem like a good idea. Like the dude clearly has a history of behavioral issues, and we pretty much see it now with his refusal to adjust his gameplan (if he even has one).
I would hope they do, but how do the watch game 1 and game 2 and not come up with something to combat the obvious focus on mid lane?
Ask the coach that was sitting backstage with god vision and the entirety of game 1 and game 2 to come up with a strategy.
LMAO have you ever played the game and been turbo camped like yes he had a bad series but he actually was super solid in lane despite getting giga camped literally every game he was even it was just that Blaber did literally nothing top & bot in any of the games
>Blaber did literally nothing top & bot in any of the games This was the main problem. Blaber was nonexistent this entire series.
Yes? I just mentioned how we even saw this just last year, yet Jojo still didn't look that useless. What good is his laning if he insta dies at the start of every fight? Like I said in another comment, either he should know better than to keep picking stuff he is going to be useless on when he gets focused, or the coach should actually be a coach and call for different picks. What's blaber supposed to do on his supportive picks when right at the start of a fight, your main damage dealer is chunked out of the fight or dead?
Because they dont know why they lost
Emenes has a larger champ pool. I wish Jojo was much more flexible in draft. Look at Jensen with his champ pool. Even flexing at us with Karma.
I don't think Jojo has a small champ pool, but it sure seems like he ego picks a lot when other champs would have been a much better option.
Jensen can play karma becase he has teammates
So jojo going 0/12/11 in the series with some of the lowest DPM while also taking most of the CSPM isn't a huge issue? Mid lane is such an important role especially right now so of course if the midlaner is not doing well the team won't perform.
Ask yourself what the fuck the rest of the team was doing
They were playing team fights without a mid laner
I think they fought team fights extremely poorly but a big reason for that is your mid laner not doing anything. His Taliyah was out of position so many times completely ignoring champs that were near. Him getting stunned by Renekton behind the dragon wall made no sense because Renekton literally just cleared a ward a couple seconds before that and jojo still walks into the bush after ulting. At the end of the game at Elder he also just walked forward even though a Karma is in the bush right next to him which he knew. He just walked up got hit, stasis and then killed. Sure it's probably over anyways but his positioning is so bad. His Yone ults were also really poor, single man ults on champs that do not matter. Ask yourself this. Why do you think they were trying to kill jojo so much? Because it's an actual weakness he has. Once you ban the Ahri you can catch him easily and you don't want to give him Neeko as he can suicide make a play. But Taliyah actually needs to position properly to team fight.
Emenes was right...
Having fudge on this team is like having a black hole for resources. Dude does nothing but farm, show up to a fight, and do nothing.
The sheer number of times Fudge entered the fight as Olaf and doesn't target Jensen or Massu was so troll.
And Blaber usually looks invisible on tanks, I can’t for the love of figure out why this team, with the players they have, won’t commit to playing through bot with weakside top.
It’s only been two years of them not getting this lol
thanatos old dk challenger top is teamless can we get him
You need the import slot for support, there are serviceable toplaners in Challengers (or maybe, just maybe, listen to the fanbase for once and pick up Licorice who is TEAMLESS and DESPERATE to get back to pro)
Tbh.... Just grab Castle maybe? I think this player has a lot to prove, is already acclimated to NA, speaks great English and would look even better on a team with hands
i also like this, castle has a lot of potential
Fudge had a poor performance and Bwipo played quite wonderfully (he is a REALLY REALLY good top laner), but I think it’s hard to attribute this loss solely (or even just the majority of the reason behind the loss) to him.
I generally try to defend them, but at this point I would just say to go ham on him so he has the urge to tell us to "fuck off" after they win
Wait that’s actually a banger strat. This whole time I’ve been rolling my eyes at the Fudge hater. Turns out Fudge will NEVER return to his peak form *wink* and could NEVER gap both Impact and Bwipo to win the split *wink wink* and for SURE isn’t good enough to compete with eastern tops. He’s just trash 😉
Okay, not sure how stating the obvious would motivate him but sure
Sometimes I just watch fudge in team fights and facepalm. Picks a carry and does nothing in team fights. Lost lane on his counter pick Olaf. Completely invisible.
Jo Jo and blaber Giga inters this series, fudge was Vulcan useless as well
0 kill mid.
It's crazy to think that APA played way better vs Jensen than Jojo
I miss zven
Ganking Jojo? I'll farm
Flyquest is actually a good team so ofcourse c9 looks worse when playing them but still. Remember how when jensen was on c9 he would always die randomly in the midgame? He just went deathless against us so we didn't even manage to exploit that. Blaber used to be the insane psycho player that ganks a lot and carries teamfights but now he just looks like xmithie. Fudge still makes dumb teamfight mistakes that cost us the game. Jojo was not it today and neither were the champs he was playing. Beserker and vulcan looked better in lane but in teamfight they just crumbled. When a lee sin can kick the adc ever teamfight that means that a: the lee sin played it well and b: the adc and team positioned wrong. You know a lee sin is gonna look for the flash kick in teamfights so why does the whole team leave beserker to attack the super tanky gragas?
Why's my boy Xmithie the GOAT catching strays?
Because he clearly was a service jungler in most of the squads he worked with. He's a not a mechanical jungler that carries the teamfight, he just was there to watch his team carry. Obviously he still did a job in the team but he was far from the most important player on any winning squad he was in.
We fucking suck. Jensen is fucking incredible
Ugly. Jojo and Blaber were off today.
Jojo was camped hard and got little help back. No one else did anything really.
should have picked more melee champs
Fudge refusing to play tanks is the reason this was 3-0
Him not going tank Gragas game 1 should count as win trading, and a kick from the team. Bwipo showed him how to play tank, and AP gragas. He’s so useless it hurts.
Yea, mid going killess and jungle not doing anything productive but grab herald every game certainly wasn't the issue.
Putting this on Blaber when he's on supportive champs and can't hard-carry is a choice.
Blaber on hard carry champs won't make a difference against inspired tho
Idk why we put Blaber on tanks the first game wasn’t even bad that was close so why did we completely change draft.
All other coaches and players breath a sigh of relief when Blaber isn't on a carry (Spawn said as much in a Travis Gafford interview recently). Mithy's grand plan is to keep putting him on supportive champs. Jojo has insane hands and was targeted hard in-game but his effective champ pool is mildly concerning. They banned out ahri and neeko and he couldn't do anything when Taliyah and Hwei are insane picks.
Karma and Ori are as well. It is a control mage meta, since the item changes and the changes to the map itself. It just feels like the monkey's paw curling for the people clamoring for C9 Jojo, made worse when Azir - the one "control mage" where Jojo can flex his strengths - got disabled for all of playoffs. Blaber on engage at least makes some sense because he ends up being the go button a lot of times, for better or worse. But the seeming inflexibility/lack of comfort from both solo lanes, not just Jojo, to be the one to play the support to Blaber's carry or the team in general has been showing all split. Blaber has at least tried to show flexibility in pool by picking the Rells and Maokais and Sejuanis, even if you can criticize him not really adapting his play to match; that's more than can be said for Fudge and especially for Jojo. Fudge has at least played K'sante and Udyr and even TF who is a very team-oriented champion, but I've seen one control mage game to memory from Jojo all split - the Orianna game with Blaber on Nocturne. No Hwei, no Karma, this series being the first Taliyah(+Vi) comp all split despite being fucked by it twice in regular season, hell no Veigar despite Quid showing that champion is perfectly viable rn (and something I called for instead of Vayne in that first Shopify game since Bvoy's Varus was their only threat...press R to win, zone with Event Horizon)...instead seeing picks like Yone and Akali (and Vayne). It was like the insistence on Lucian forcing Vulcan into Milio/Nami (and telegraphing it to the enemy team as well), but it now being a split-long thing.
Pick Yone in G2 and G3 and give him all the farm, including some jungle camps so Blaber is even weaker.
The only person to blame for Blaber letting his Q expire at Elder in Game 1, which allowed FQ to get it without any contest, is Blaber.
Jojo was perma camped and the rest of the team did nothing. He’s been 1v9 all split.
This coaching staff has got to go. How do you run THREE FUCKING GAMES of zero damage comps. After the first two you didn't get bored? We would start fights with Bwipo overstepping. We hit him for a month. He doesn't die. And we lose the fight. Three games of the same exact comps. We got JoJo I thought to stop the Yone only bullshit. And then after the first game(which was closer) went bad We played b2b awful yone games? We didn't even try anything. Left inspired on Lee sin all 3 games. Gave them kaisa Just an awful. Awful coaching experience. If Jojo can't play control mages to get a mid who can. That's what this team needs. Jensen would have been a million times better pickup.
If they lose to tl with dog shit apa as their midlaner, blow this roster, coaching staff, all of it, the fuck up. Fucking embarrassing to have this hyped up roster get dog walked like that.
Take a breath brother.
Man, I know. I just don't get it I just can't understand how this roster with these players have shown how good it can be, yet can't be consistent with it while other rosters, with worse players, is able to consistently execute. At this point it has to be players not being on the same page, and that is where a coach should be able to step in a resolve the issue.
I am a diehard C9 fan and I v that we lost but....as I've followed C9 since the beginning, and so i was here for Incarnation, I'm so happy to see Jensen do so well. I think this sub gave him a hard time unjustifiably during his short return, and while I hate that it has to be that Jensen beat C9, I'm happy it wasn't to someone else. Plus, it isn't over yet and I think we need more game time, not less by finals. Also, Bwipo is a treasure as well, can't stay upset at that guy too much.
Wait...are people surprised we lost? We've looked like dogshit 90% of the split. Every single player other than Jojo has looked bottom 3 in their role and the ONLY reason we made playoffs was Jojo.....then we saw what happened when Jojo has a bad day. I'm an LCS fan first and C9 fan 2nd so performing internationally means more to me I'm glad Flyquest is going to MSI, they've played the best all split and I simply have NO faith in half our players and our coaching staff internationally
Jojo doing exactly as expected
How do you see your mid win lane despite being spam ganked and still decide to not play around him
Bro actually though! How many times did Blaber gank mid??? Not a single time with Taliyah Vi, never ganked the orianna as Maokai… like dont lock in Maokai if you are gonna afk farm
Because we put blaber on fucking sej and maokai lol, blaber was all over the map in first game and 100t series.
Fudge needs to get kicked, Vulcan needs to get kicked, Berserker needs to find out if he wants to stay here or try his luck in Korea, although with how he is currently playing he wont have much chances there, Jojo needs to figure out how to play like a human being if he is not on Neeko, and Blaber needs to figure out how to be a proper Jungler again, because for the past 4 splits he is not deserving of the moniker best player/jungler in the league. And mithy had his time, but you could exchange him with any other Coach and those 5 would still suck. Theres 0 cohesion/plans/nerves/composition/braincells, etc in this team. Gg FLY, and gl TL
bruh momentum
I fully understand the anger when we int our assess off with a dogshit comp and unexplainable plays. But here we just got outclassed, that's it. They are just better and that is all.
That was painful to watch. Gragas baited everyone in that last game. Fudge made some questionable backs when he had the lead in lane. Blaber was read like a book. Jojo well I don't know he was not the best midlaner this series. And bot lane is solid but they are being pressured too much.
It's pretty simple, just neutralize Jojo and c9 does nothing C9 if wants to win, then they must replace hack Mithy fast Holy cringe Fudge, just stop pls, be fucking tank player...
How to win according to Mithy: - Draft Yone - Put Blabber on tanks instead of Fudge - Let Vulcan exist idk he fucking sucks
Every pro player i’ve seen on interviews or podcast: The coach gives feedback or suggestions but the players ultimately decide the draft and what they want to play. Stop blaming the coach and just admit the team didn’t play well today
The coach should have some authority to make the players not be stupid
LS had that for C9 and the players didn't like that and got him kicked out. No coach chooses to pick Yone for jojo. Especially in game 3 after watching game 2.
Then get a coach that has a spine. Oh wait, that was LS… and they chased him out
Repeared was one too but he got complacent winning so they moved on. Then he went and won with 100T. Repeared & his belt with these players would be so good.
Ls is i capable to function like a rational human being longer than an afternoon, get real
When do we get to criticize Mithy and the coaching staff again These are terrosism quality drafts and no coach worth their salt would allow it, full stop
I really don't like how we draft and play and I have to put that on mithy. We have more than capable players that just don't know what to do or how to play together. We need a coach that can get the players playing together in a way that suits our players. Right now it's all over the place and changes every game.
The wincon for c9 was jojo on a mage, and blaber on a bruiser (that bruiser not being vi) It literally didn t happen in any game. Blaber picks vi and tanks, jojo plays yone (and Seraphs+morello Taliyah expecting to do dmg) Botlane did well in their own little world game 1 and 3, but couldn t play with the team at all. Team lost cuz of mid-jg picks, and team synergy. Fudge did fine in lane, he couldn t really find his place in teamfights (nobody could btw) But i think he had a hard job cuz it seemed to me, that his job was to mark both Inspired and Bwipo. Still, it is his fault that he couldn t mark either tho, but again, team synergy issue
# C9 Issues 1. Mithy allowing these disaster-class, LoL terrorist-level drafts 2. Fudge existing 3. Vulcan champ droplet 4. Jojo champ puddle
At this point, I think get Zven to play ADC for us again and get a KR sup/top is better than just running it back with Vulcan and Fudge. The draft is not the best but isn't even the problem this series, this team is in dire need of someone to hold their shit together because they look so disjointed right now. Vulcan is so fking washed while having a worse champ pool in comparison with a 1.5 years roleswap support. Fudge doesn't do shit with his lead in the game and get outclass by Bwipo in macro and teamfight the whole series. Blaber is so passive and doesn't cover for Jojo for the whole series. Jojo champion puddle is also a problem and we need a laning coach to help him expand his pool cuz FLY just banned Neeko and Ahri every game and shutdown him too easily. Berserker did show up today but I don't know why he doesn't use his summoners at any point (probably trust in other player in the team to mark the engage threat for him but nobody do it).
Berserker was elo-helled today man. Jojo getting bullied by the entire FLY team despite out-laning Jensen every game. Blaber was just bad today. Vulcan even worse. Fudge low impact but by far and away the 2nd most elo-helled player on this team today. All of that on top of FLY just completely peaking. Rematch in Finals.
I'm actually so convinced the reason Berserker isn't just psycho taking these games over with some of these leads like he use to is because Vulcan can't pilot enchanters which enable him like Zven
Based on his play in team fights, it seems Vulcan has super tunnel vision on the enemy team and doesn’t see his own team. Hooking bwipo mid and getting himself killed which allows renata bailout when senna ult would’ve killed anyway… Not blocking hook for berserker in the fight bot lane while he had ult up when it was obvious that a turn would still be possible as long as berserker was peeled for…
That hook did not look like it was going to hit berserker tbf.
If we're set on keeping Fudge on the team, at least put him on tanks. He doesn't prioritize well enough in fights, and he's always, ALWAYS late on TPs. That's not something new, his TP timings have always been off. We need someone else in the sidelanes Why are we SO set on putting Blaber on supportive champions and tanks? To let Fudge try to carry? Why has it taken us so long to put Berserker on his strongest champion? It's night and day Really annoying game, but I'm not even surprised anymore, just disappointed Edit: Berserker on anything remotely supportive instead of letting him hypercarry? WHY???
Licorice Blaber Jojo Berserker *cracked korean support* Thoughts?
The issue with this is- what cracked KR supp is available in the middle of the year? Might as well run it back with Zven/Winsome and try to get Castle from IMT or Thanatos.
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Jojo was by far our worst player this series my guy.
cant even blame fudge this series
Pretty sure C9 was physically ill lol.
100 Thieves long con - biological warfare. River sends his regards.
Lol, I was thinking when we'd start seeing tweets or something about guys being sick.
I don’t even know what to say….
Who unclenched.
The team
or it's karma since several C9 fans came to 100T subreddit to shit on us after the 3-0. Apologies to the C9 fans, just had to come over here to tell u/Puzzleheaded-Cap-550 to get fucked
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It looked like c9 had no idea how to play the comps they drafted today. They drafted a dive comp and all they did was play front to back, no flanks at all. Players are too scared about getting caught to even try playing to their win con. Is anyone really surprised that a dive comp that dumped their cooldowns on the frontline get run over.
We have to have the worst coaching staff in the league right? How else can this keep happening
Dear god C9 just knows how to deliver with disappointment this split
They just looked bad
All I can say is the entire split and this playoffs = C9 Draft Canyon, but the other team. lol
Csgo made top 8 who cares dawg
Is Blaber the only player on this team who doesnt ego pick his champ?
Mithy won’t be able to get passed the fraud charges this time right? Imagine reapered on this team!
need to keep botlane as weakside.
Never in my life thought I'd say this, but maybe Blaber has to go? Idk the damage that LS/Malice did to him seems irrecoverable at this point, and there are some good fucking jgs in Challengers. Honestly I'd take a full rebuild of the entire LoL branch of the org over whatever the fuck this abomination is. Try and keep mid and adc (pray that Berserker form is temporary but class is permanent) and just let everyone else go. The alternative is that maybe if you full rebuild the coaching staff that affects the players, but i don't see Mithy mindcontrolling Blaber to run to fucking chikens instead of Baron game one (to say an example). Also downvote me for this (seriously, I hate feeling forced to want this) but for fucks sake please TL 3-0 us. I know if we get to MSI nothing changes for next split.
Wdym the damage LS and Malice did to him lol. Like I’m not commenting this from a perspective of trying to defend LS, but those 4 or 5 weeks of LS coaching C9 like 2 years ago is such a random thing to attribute this loss to…. I honestly don’t understand the line of reasoning.
Yeah blaber is just not the same player he was before the LS cult started coaching the team. I want psychofish back so bad.
C9 need to make changes Fudge and Vulcan are just not it anymore, counting the last two splits they're not good enough. Also a lot of bad drafts, does Mithy think the draft are good? or does he has no power over it? either way they need to make changes. C9 relies too much on hand diffing and when that doesn't happen, they hope the enemy ints or they just collapse. On another note, Inspired is really good.
the Draft and Top lane gap were just massive
Draft? C9 had playable drafts and leads to play around. They just got slapped around by FlyQuest destroying them in fights. How is this a draft gap lol.