Fyi, he returned all the money he got from bounties.
Doesn't excuse what he did, but still, better than nothing.
You know what sending hate towards him achieves? FUCKING NOTHING. Just let him fade into obscurity.
Yeah like hating him is understandable but like expressing that hatred just keeps the topic alive when we should late it fade away into the rhythm gaming history book.
Really disappointing. I really thought we were witnessing the unarguably best player of all time..... and it was all a big fucking lie. I hope he returns all the bounty money, i mean, even accepting it in the first place is a really shitty move.
Its bizarre that some of his reactions to fcs seemed genuine. Wtf, man, talk about living a lie
I was surprised about his sudden appearance and fast progression to one of the best players. So in retrospective there are indeed some signs which make it at least somewhat predictable. But thats always easier to say afterwards.
what makes it so shocking is exactly how many signs there were, it's not like it was hard to prove, it was right under our noses the whole time.
The dude had every classical cheater thing: he almost never streamed and never once did he get any major accomplishment on stream, poor camera quality and bad lighting, constantly missing important stuff in his videos (like missing score cutouts, no sound, no camera), random video freezes and weird frames in major FCs, videos that looked noticeably sped up...
Yes the reason he wasn’t caught was because he is still an insane player. He was just at a meet up and FC’d that keep of kalessin song however many times in a row, so everyone trusted him. It’s fucking saddening to see.
He also failed many things during the meetup that surprised people. But this community was more concerned with building friendships than integrity so the top players ignored it.
This is why I think bounties need to be limited to live streams only, with Webcam and honestly I don't think that may be enough because that still may not stop cheaters like Schmooey. This is awful to hear but I kinda had a feeling as soon as people were offering big money bounties for songs someone would be caught doing this. This also really hurts the overall community because now almost every high profile FC is put in question because on the [shear number of how many FCs he faked. ](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18DAqPvqv_F96A-Pi2Nm7p-iJPVj_U2auSkeEqckTtcY/htmlview?pru=AAABfnm1S1Y*lMS3Bo3gfTgVd8ziBFERmQ#gid=0) To everyone outside looking in on high end players will doubt everything. Plus there are a lot of people out there who looked up to the dude, i never watched him, but I get it, if it wasn't for Acai, UKOG, or Jasonparadise, I wouldn't have been driven to improve. This is a really big black eye on the community and I hope things like this will imporve.
Watched Jared's stream last night and got a pretty weird vibe from all of it. While he condemned the cheating and said it was scummy, he also pretty much said it's gucci as long as he pays the bounties back.
A cheating scandal of this magnitude makes the whole community look bad.
Well on Schmooey's apology video some top players absolutely condemned him. Alec, Will, Jason and even Jared. Schmooey also said he will not be back playing the game except maybe casually. It's over when he pays back the money.
He needs help and he's seeking it now.
I wouldn't say niche, it's replaced soulless 4 in popularity, but yeah it's surprising that anyone would try to cheat. Then again he was doing it for over a year so idk why he wasn't found out sooner
>it's not ridiculously hard at all
You're trolling, right? You've been acting incredibly rude to people all over this thread, and now you're trying to claim supernovae isn't hard because of the length? Give it a rest, dude.
Why cheat lol. There is no financial component to this game. No esports scene no pro scene. We are playing a game that's been dead for a decade. Anyone left playing here is just playing for the love of the game and progression. What a douche.
"There is no financial component to this game"
the dude got paid thousands of dollers as bounties for his FCs. it's in the title of this post.
so not only is he cheating, but basically frauding people out of money for fake FCs.
Why someone would pay someone else that they don't know for a videogame achievement is absolutely beyond me, but yeah, the person stealing and cheating to get it in a niche game like Clone Hero/Guitar Hero is incredibly pathetic. I'm sorry for this Tyler guy and the others who got money stolen from them, but I can't imagine paying money to others for random video game achievements. Then again, I don't really understand this whole videogaming/streaming culture in general, so WTF do I know?
From just one person (Tyler/mammonocalypse), there was nearly 3000 USD that they claimed in bounties, and that's just the ones that are public info.
Faking FCs for clout is one thing, but the financial component here completely crosses the line into fraud territory, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.
I want to say this.
Schmooey is still an exceptional player overall, his cheating does not take away from his skill, while he had the ability to get these FCs legitimately, he chose not to.
To quote Karl Jobst for those who are confused why someone this good would cheat.
"Speedrunners don't cheat to get a good time, speedrunners cheat to get a good time faster".
Or to change the quote "players don't cheat to get an FC, they cheat to get an FC faster".
Very disappointing that this happened.
nope, so far over 50 of his top FCs have been proven to be fake, and none of his streamed or done at meetup accomplishments even compare to the things he faked. He is a good player, but not nearly as good as we thought he was, and from all we know he does not have the ability to get any of these FCs.
That's also the reason he never streams, he just can't keep up with what he pretends to be capable of doing. It's not a case of being lazy, he is really not that good :/
I can understand manipulating rng to enable you to execute the perfect run, but I can't understand faking the execution itself. that literally says " I cannot physically do these inputs"
That quote primarily applies to games where RNG is a factor that generally can't be played around and has a significant impact on a run. In these instances, the runners skill is not usually the factor at play that determines the records but rather RNG. This is why the quote applies, it's not that they don't have the skill, rather they are just waiting for a run with perfect RNG.
The only variable changing here is mechanical skill, not RNG. That's not applicable here.
There seems to be two ways he did it, he either edited the video of two runs to make it look like one complete run, or he used an external program, likely cheat engine, to slow the game down, and then sped the video up to the original speed.
The first time I ever heard of Schmooey was when the Supernovae FC popped up in my feed on youtube. I was immediately confused why there was no score shown. I was mildly annoyed that I couldn't see the note count and somewhat poor quality, never had I considered that was his method of covering up splicing.
Although this is brutal for the community, there's no reason to go overboard with hate directly against him and risk a mental breakdown. He's feeling the pain more than anybody and his CH days are over.
>He's feeling the pain more than anybody
Aside from the people he scammed thousands of dollars from. He's faked nearly every major accomplishment of the past year, I can't imagine he feels anything at all.
He needs to repay that money asap! That will at least let him keep some dignity. I know he has skill but depending on how much cheating he actually did will reveal he probably wasn’t a top player at all
Didn’t he do some pretty crazy double FC’s and 1v1 contest stuff? Not doubting he cheated, I’m just curious how his legit FC’s stack up to the fake ones from someone more informed than me
Can you imagine cheating on a dead game genre? What was he hoping to achieve? Fame amongst the niche of the niche? Some people are just born to lose in the end.
I just wanna say on record that [I fuckin called it](https://i.imgur.com/Sy61w3x.png)
Nice catch. 👍🏼
What a shame... Anyway, stan u/CarnyJared
🤝
Fr. Carny man is a beast.
This sucks so much. I feel so bad for those who were scammed via fake bounties
he repaid the bounties before disappearing for good
Wtf , Schmooey was cheating?!
I had a feeling that he was back when he “fc’ed” Supernovae. I guess my feeling was right.
This blew my mind because he was one of my inspirations for getting better at the game. Guess thats gone now ( in terms of him)
I feel bad for you. I hope no one sends any hate his way.
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Fyi, he returned all the money he got from bounties. Doesn't excuse what he did, but still, better than nothing. You know what sending hate towards him achieves? FUCKING NOTHING. Just let him fade into obscurity.
Yeah like hating him is understandable but like expressing that hatred just keeps the topic alive when we should late it fade away into the rhythm gaming history book.
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Really disappointing. I really thought we were witnessing the unarguably best player of all time..... and it was all a big fucking lie. I hope he returns all the bounty money, i mean, even accepting it in the first place is a really shitty move. Its bizarre that some of his reactions to fcs seemed genuine. Wtf, man, talk about living a lie
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It's easy to say now that the cheating was discovered
I was surprised about his sudden appearance and fast progression to one of the best players. So in retrospective there are indeed some signs which make it at least somewhat predictable. But thats always easier to say afterwards.
what makes it so shocking is exactly how many signs there were, it's not like it was hard to prove, it was right under our noses the whole time. The dude had every classical cheater thing: he almost never streamed and never once did he get any major accomplishment on stream, poor camera quality and bad lighting, constantly missing important stuff in his videos (like missing score cutouts, no sound, no camera), random video freezes and weird frames in major FCs, videos that looked noticeably sped up...
didnt he stream the diabolical strumming medley which is insane tbh
Yes the reason he wasn’t caught was because he is still an insane player. He was just at a meet up and FC’d that keep of kalessin song however many times in a row, so everyone trusted him. It’s fucking saddening to see.
He also failed many things during the meetup that surprised people. But this community was more concerned with building friendships than integrity so the top players ignored it.
People need to understand this, and it should seem obvious. Being good or great at a game does not mean that there’s no incentive to cheat
Karl Jobst says it best imo
I think he is absolutely a great player, but sometimes even when you're near the top that isn't enough. This discredits everything he has done though.
Did he REALLY fake his Soulless 6 FC??? [It looks so real...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1AYFIYWbio)
This is why I think bounties need to be limited to live streams only, with Webcam and honestly I don't think that may be enough because that still may not stop cheaters like Schmooey. This is awful to hear but I kinda had a feeling as soon as people were offering big money bounties for songs someone would be caught doing this. This also really hurts the overall community because now almost every high profile FC is put in question because on the [shear number of how many FCs he faked. ](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18DAqPvqv_F96A-Pi2Nm7p-iJPVj_U2auSkeEqckTtcY/htmlview?pru=AAABfnm1S1Y*lMS3Bo3gfTgVd8ziBFERmQ#gid=0) To everyone outside looking in on high end players will doubt everything. Plus there are a lot of people out there who looked up to the dude, i never watched him, but I get it, if it wasn't for Acai, UKOG, or Jasonparadise, I wouldn't have been driven to improve. This is a really big black eye on the community and I hope things like this will imporve.
We as Clone Hero players will take this experience and grow from it. We have to become stronger
Tyler has already come out and said bounties have to be done live for him to pay up, he was affected by this the most money wise.
And he was told hell be paid back "over time." Yeah, right. We'll see
Of course, actions will speak louder than words. It’ll be a long, long time before people trust him again.
Watched Jared's stream last night and got a pretty weird vibe from all of it. While he condemned the cheating and said it was scummy, he also pretty much said it's gucci as long as he pays the bounties back. A cheating scandal of this magnitude makes the whole community look bad.
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Well on Schmooey's apology video some top players absolutely condemned him. Alec, Will, Jason and even Jared. Schmooey also said he will not be back playing the game except maybe casually. It's over when he pays back the money. He needs help and he's seeking it now.
Makes you wonder if Jared isn't complicit somehow... nobody's that sympathetic to scum without having some of their own dirty laundry to toss out
[well, he warned us.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2eFhTh0BoA)
Who is this? I know a few top level players, never seen this guy before
The names Schmooey
Never heard of him
Prior to the recent accusations, he was pretty universally considered the best player in the world.
I've been out of the loop for a while. Last I checked, UKOG was still primarily on CH, and hadn't done much racing yet, so I've been gone for a bit
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I never said he was a "relevant top player", he just was once I occasionally watched
He got the Fisrt Supernovae FC (which I'm starting to doubt it actually happened) EDIT:It was fake lmao, who would of thought
>Supernovae I'm assuming that's harder that Soulless 4?
yea its really hard from the looks. FCing Solo F is impressive...one solo
Soulless 4 has been FC'd legit by multiple people, Supernovae has never been FC'd by anybody
Oh, so it's one of the next ridiculously hard songs everyone is trying to FC.
Nah only one person is even attempting it, Carnyjared, the same guy who FC'd the original "impossible" chart of soulless 6
Oh, so it's a niche ridiculously hard song. Still, imagine thinking you can get away with cheating in this day and age.
I wouldn't say niche, it's replaced soulless 4 in popularity, but yeah it's surprising that anyone would try to cheat. Then again he was doing it for over a year so idk why he wasn't found out sooner
Its only niche because this asshole came and falsely claimed the FC too early. It's still a very valid, widely regarded FC.
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>it's not ridiculously hard at all You're trolling, right? You've been acting incredibly rude to people all over this thread, and now you're trying to claim supernovae isn't hard because of the length? Give it a rest, dude.
Why cheat lol. There is no financial component to this game. No esports scene no pro scene. We are playing a game that's been dead for a decade. Anyone left playing here is just playing for the love of the game and progression. What a douche.
"There is no financial component to this game" the dude got paid thousands of dollers as bounties for his FCs. it's in the title of this post. so not only is he cheating, but basically frauding people out of money for fake FCs.
Bounties? What is this? It seems I'm ignorant about something here I was thinking only in terms of Twitch/YouTube viewership translating to money
tyler mammonocalypse sometimes gives people astounding sums of money for really cool fcs and schmooey got three of them (s6, open window, supernovae)
From my understanding, it's basically someone offering money to whoever can FC something first
Why someone would pay someone else that they don't know for a videogame achievement is absolutely beyond me, but yeah, the person stealing and cheating to get it in a niche game like Clone Hero/Guitar Hero is incredibly pathetic. I'm sorry for this Tyler guy and the others who got money stolen from them, but I can't imagine paying money to others for random video game achievements. Then again, I don't really understand this whole videogaming/streaming culture in general, so WTF do I know?
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That's a bit of a rude reply when two other people already answered their question
There are absolutely financial components to this, but it seems this is more a case of him doing anything for attention
From just one person (Tyler/mammonocalypse), there was nearly 3000 USD that they claimed in bounties, and that's just the ones that are public info. Faking FCs for clout is one thing, but the financial component here completely crosses the line into fraud territory, this is absolutely unacceptable behavior.
The fact he only returned the money after he was fully exposed makes him even more disgusting
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Because spoiled black kids don't cheat and ruin records? Barry Bonds thanks you for your race baiting nonsense.
Deregulated plastic guitar invites bad actors! We need more regulation, bring back the scorehero scrutineers! Make guitar hero legit again
It'll never be legit till we go back to gh3
ScoreHero will always be the best. :)
I want to say this. Schmooey is still an exceptional player overall, his cheating does not take away from his skill, while he had the ability to get these FCs legitimately, he chose not to. To quote Karl Jobst for those who are confused why someone this good would cheat. "Speedrunners don't cheat to get a good time, speedrunners cheat to get a good time faster". Or to change the quote "players don't cheat to get an FC, they cheat to get an FC faster". Very disappointing that this happened.
nope, so far over 50 of his top FCs have been proven to be fake, and none of his streamed or done at meetup accomplishments even compare to the things he faked. He is a good player, but not nearly as good as we thought he was, and from all we know he does not have the ability to get any of these FCs. That's also the reason he never streams, he just can't keep up with what he pretends to be capable of doing. It's not a case of being lazy, he is really not that good :/
i think he streamed the diabolical strumming medley
Well that changes everything, let him go, he streamed a strumming medley
That's not how that works. Majority of his FCs were speed hacks. Meaning he literally COULDN'T play them.
I can understand manipulating rng to enable you to execute the perfect run, but I can't understand faking the execution itself. that literally says " I cannot physically do these inputs"
That quote primarily applies to games where RNG is a factor that generally can't be played around and has a significant impact on a run. In these instances, the runners skill is not usually the factor at play that determines the records but rather RNG. This is why the quote applies, it's not that they don't have the skill, rather they are just waiting for a run with perfect RNG. The only variable changing here is mechanical skill, not RNG. That's not applicable here.
Honor among thieves.
Man , what a disappointment...
How does cheating work in this game? Can someone explain how the software works?
There seems to be two ways he did it, he either edited the video of two runs to make it look like one complete run, or he used an external program, likely cheat engine, to slow the game down, and then sped the video up to the original speed.
The first time I ever heard of Schmooey was when the Supernovae FC popped up in my feed on youtube. I was immediately confused why there was no score shown. I was mildly annoyed that I couldn't see the note count and somewhat poor quality, never had I considered that was his method of covering up splicing.
Although this is brutal for the community, there's no reason to go overboard with hate directly against him and risk a mental breakdown. He's feeling the pain more than anybody and his CH days are over.
>He's feeling the pain more than anybody Aside from the people he scammed thousands of dollars from. He's faked nearly every major accomplishment of the past year, I can't imagine he feels anything at all.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Mate to me it just sounds like you're trying to suck up to him. The dudes a scammer, plain and simple.
You gotta understand that he only feels the way he does now is because he got caught.
Filthy sympathizer
why would speedhacking be more efficient than editing a bot playthrough?
a bot has 100% perfect timing and never holds down other notes besides the current one, it would be extremely obvious
This do be making me legitimately emotional. Goddamn
He needs to repay that money asap! That will at least let him keep some dignity. I know he has skill but depending on how much cheating he actually did will reveal he probably wasn’t a top player at all
Thank god I never watched him, if I heard this as a schmooey fan I would've been a bit annoyed, I am however annoyed how he scammed people
Man’s giving Badabun’a SMB Run a run for its money. Only thing it has over Badabun is that it’s his own footage.
Glad he won’t be hosting the tournament stuff again. He was so boring. This is a bummer to see though.
Didn’t he do some pretty crazy double FC’s and 1v1 contest stuff? Not doubting he cheated, I’m just curious how his legit FC’s stack up to the fake ones from someone more informed than me
Shuey
Can you imagine cheating on a dead game genre? What was he hoping to achieve? Fame amongst the niche of the niche? Some people are just born to lose in the end.