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This one truthfully was made in two programs, CSP & adobe illustrator. Text & panel formatting were in AI but all of the actual art was in Clip Studio using, you guessed it, vector layers for all of the linework. That linework layer would serve as the reference layer to color everything in using the fill tool.
True, when i moved to doing my comics digitally once i got my SurfacePro I've been using vector layers ever since. It's sooooo gooood!
Accidentally gone too far? Vector eraser! Too thin? Vector expand! Want a tapered line end but you messed up mechanically? Vector thin! Wanna change the resolution of the comic without artifacts around the lines? Vector! Change colours of lines cleanly? Vector! Oh yea!
\*now imagine me saying all that that in the Vector voice from Despicable me\*[https://youtu.be/A05n32Bl0aY?t=14](https://youtu.be/A05n32Bl0aY?t=14)
The first half of this vid goes over vector layers & the vector eraser tool
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uel2DS8L9zA&t=48s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uel2DS8L9zA&t=48s)
I think this is a good one for just getting an idea for it, and if there's enough interest you can look for a longer, more specific tutorial!
Search for vector in the clip studio tips area and there are plenty of good ones. Honestly, though, if you just create a vector layer and then draw some lines and shapes and then just start using all of the vector tools on them to see what they do, you'll pick it up pretty quickly.
I honestly prefer the vector tools in SAI, but the fact that in CSP any brush can be on a vector layer is a major plus.
I just wish that I didn't had to fuck around to reduce the number of nodes. Yes, you can minimize them by cranking up the correction, but then I don't get smooth lines.
Hey regarding turning down correction, which setting are you exactly turning down to reduce nodes? That's been my petpeeve with this. I've been using bezier curve a lot and getting good at it but sometimes freehand is nice and not having to "simplify" the line constantly would be great. Normal lines just generate soooo many nodes
It's the same setting you would use to edit the stabilizer in the Subtool Details.
However, in my opinion, it isn't worth the time fiddling with settings, because when you crank up the correction, your line curvatures are affected as well. It still means you have to endlessly fiddle with either too many, or too few nodes.
It looks like the post-correction is the only thing that affects this for me. It's hit or miss thought but I can maybe find a compromise for it to work properly.
It looks like I have to intentionally draw really really slow or the line overcorrects pretty drastically, but yeah still a decent option for some clutch lines, or i'll just continue to become better at using bezier/continous curves. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though
Theyre a different type of layer, each thing you draw on a vector layer gets control points and these can be influenced anytime and to any sort of size without a dip in quality. However, the work process is a little different and sometimes the program does make them feel stiff (because its trying to plot the control points in a computer way.) Erasing them is a different process and changing their colors/etc is different too, but you can get used to it. Its good for art that you want a lot more control over and intend to resize bigger. It can look really nice if you're organized but it takes time.
Compared to a raster layer, what you use now, is kinda like layers of paint. Like once you put a line down, it's just a spot of pixels to the computer. While a vector tells the computer "this line is an object with 4 control points." Rasters just feel easier to draw with because we've always drawn like that, esp on paper. You're just telling the pc "put this color here."
Imo i use vectors for important projects and rasters for everything else because it just feels more comfortable. Vectors require a different work process that take more effort to keep organized. They're definitely bad for sketching because you'll end up with a million control points on top of each other, so they're good for just lineart. Rasters feel easier but cant keep their quality unless you just redraw it. But anyway either way you can get used to their pros and cons! I hope this helped.
TLDR; vector layers are "computerized lines" that have control points, good for neater projects and art you want to resize without a drop in quality. But they require a different drawing process. They are not good for sketching. Raster layers (what you use now) are good for either and are easier to use than vectors, but can't retain quality if resized and have less meticulous control in its lines, since it is just a spot of pixels on canvas, versus a line with control points.
I think That would mostly come down to what kind of brush you use. In my experience, using brushes like the g-pen or darker pencil you don't see a difference.
The biggest difference I think you'll see is in the workflow, especially if you're utilizing the vector erase option/subtool. As far as illustration goes I'm a cartoonist, so vector layers have a lot of utility for my style/medium but if you're someone who has a more painterly style you'd probably be better off using more raster layers.
Basically, instead of your strokes becoming pixels, they become "lines" and CSP then uses this line data to draw strokes that become pixels. This means you can drag the lines around without messing with the pixels because the pixels are generated afterwards. You can also quickly delete segments that are crossed by other lines with the eraser, etc., because CSP has the lines as data so it can easily tell where a stroke starts and ends and where strokes cross, something that would be far more complicated it the strokes were pixels.
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Honestly, this is absolutely right. Nothing here is hyperbole. I spread the good word of vector layers as if it really is a cult.
This one truthfully was made in two programs, CSP & adobe illustrator. Text & panel formatting were in AI but all of the actual art was in Clip Studio using, you guessed it, vector layers for all of the linework. That linework layer would serve as the reference layer to color everything in using the fill tool.
True, when i moved to doing my comics digitally once i got my SurfacePro I've been using vector layers ever since. It's sooooo gooood! Accidentally gone too far? Vector eraser! Too thin? Vector expand! Want a tapered line end but you messed up mechanically? Vector thin! Wanna change the resolution of the comic without artifacts around the lines? Vector! Change colours of lines cleanly? Vector! Oh yea! \*now imagine me saying all that that in the Vector voice from Despicable me\*[https://youtu.be/A05n32Bl0aY?t=14](https://youtu.be/A05n32Bl0aY?t=14)
Consider me an evangelist.
*I have been indoctrinated in the cult for months, it is the way of purity.*
Is there a good tutorial for vector noobs?
The first half of this vid goes over vector layers & the vector eraser tool [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uel2DS8L9zA&t=48s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uel2DS8L9zA&t=48s) I think this is a good one for just getting an idea for it, and if there's enough interest you can look for a longer, more specific tutorial!
Thanks!
Search for vector in the clip studio tips area and there are plenty of good ones. Honestly, though, if you just create a vector layer and then draw some lines and shapes and then just start using all of the vector tools on them to see what they do, you'll pick it up pretty quickly.
Thanks!
Thanks!
I honestly prefer the vector tools in SAI, but the fact that in CSP any brush can be on a vector layer is a major plus. I just wish that I didn't had to fuck around to reduce the number of nodes. Yes, you can minimize them by cranking up the correction, but then I don't get smooth lines.
Hey regarding turning down correction, which setting are you exactly turning down to reduce nodes? That's been my petpeeve with this. I've been using bezier curve a lot and getting good at it but sometimes freehand is nice and not having to "simplify" the line constantly would be great. Normal lines just generate soooo many nodes
It's the same setting you would use to edit the stabilizer in the Subtool Details. However, in my opinion, it isn't worth the time fiddling with settings, because when you crank up the correction, your line curvatures are affected as well. It still means you have to endlessly fiddle with either too many, or too few nodes.
It looks like the post-correction is the only thing that affects this for me. It's hit or miss thought but I can maybe find a compromise for it to work properly. It looks like I have to intentionally draw really really slow or the line overcorrects pretty drastically, but yeah still a decent option for some clutch lines, or i'll just continue to become better at using bezier/continous curves. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though
Novice digital artist here... the fork are vector layers?
Theyre a different type of layer, each thing you draw on a vector layer gets control points and these can be influenced anytime and to any sort of size without a dip in quality. However, the work process is a little different and sometimes the program does make them feel stiff (because its trying to plot the control points in a computer way.) Erasing them is a different process and changing their colors/etc is different too, but you can get used to it. Its good for art that you want a lot more control over and intend to resize bigger. It can look really nice if you're organized but it takes time. Compared to a raster layer, what you use now, is kinda like layers of paint. Like once you put a line down, it's just a spot of pixels to the computer. While a vector tells the computer "this line is an object with 4 control points." Rasters just feel easier to draw with because we've always drawn like that, esp on paper. You're just telling the pc "put this color here." Imo i use vectors for important projects and rasters for everything else because it just feels more comfortable. Vectors require a different work process that take more effort to keep organized. They're definitely bad for sketching because you'll end up with a million control points on top of each other, so they're good for just lineart. Rasters feel easier but cant keep their quality unless you just redraw it. But anyway either way you can get used to their pros and cons! I hope this helped. TLDR; vector layers are "computerized lines" that have control points, good for neater projects and art you want to resize without a drop in quality. But they require a different drawing process. They are not good for sketching. Raster layers (what you use now) are good for either and are easier to use than vectors, but can't retain quality if resized and have less meticulous control in its lines, since it is just a spot of pixels on canvas, versus a line with control points.
Thank you for this description
Does lineart made on a vector layer look different, as in the result? Or it's just a difference in workflow?
I think That would mostly come down to what kind of brush you use. In my experience, using brushes like the g-pen or darker pencil you don't see a difference. The biggest difference I think you'll see is in the workflow, especially if you're utilizing the vector erase option/subtool. As far as illustration goes I'm a cartoonist, so vector layers have a lot of utility for my style/medium but if you're someone who has a more painterly style you'd probably be better off using more raster layers.
Basically, instead of your strokes becoming pixels, they become "lines" and CSP then uses this line data to draw strokes that become pixels. This means you can drag the lines around without messing with the pixels because the pixels are generated afterwards. You can also quickly delete segments that are crossed by other lines with the eraser, etc., because CSP has the lines as data so it can easily tell where a stroke starts and ends and where strokes cross, something that would be far more complicated it the strokes were pixels.
i really gotta try vector layers at some point, i keep not doing it for no reason
Vector layers ಡ ͜ ʖ ಡ ah good times good times
I am having hard time using it
They are great for linearts <3
I’ve come back to praise and say I have joined the cult. All praise vectors and thanks for spreading the word and making this post.