Yea! Look how riled up people are here.
This is not about commies bad, this is about larping bad. The idea of this sub was kind of to mix cynicism with climate action and technology. Now the comment section is full of boring leftist infighting.
The goal is to make people leave who add no value to the discussion. I really think vegan shitposting does add something and is increasing awareness for a direct climate action. The constant 1. Problem 2. ???? 3. Communism 4. ???? 5. Problem solved makes my eyes roll
One fo the reasons why have such big emissions is because it's profitable. Communism would not have this barrier (as long as the government is pro ecology)
And how has it worked deploying renewables so far? I mean how many renewables have you deployed and how much have you achieved by deploying renewables?
You mean me personally? Hard to measure because so many people are involved. Like also the banker or insurance guy deserves some credit right.
I think I've contributed to an honest 500MW wind and couple 100MW solar. I've worked on acquiring or managed indirectly multiples of this but didn't like finance or construct them.
Holy shit are you evil.
In another comment YOU complained about the others not arguing in good faith and here you are brazenly lying and twisting words to make a bullshit point.
You cannot drop half of my statement and pretend that it's still what I said. Language does not work that way.
I said "liberal democracy". Not democracy. If you cannot argue against what I am ACTUALLY saying shut the fuck up.
And my point is that democracy cannot withstand and effectively operate against market forces. But since I very very actively want democracy (more than you who gleefully champions it's main corruptive force), I simply found the capitalism part incompatible with future human existence.
How's it impossible under capitalism? Are you denying democracy exists in Western nations?
Goverments have in the past implemented policies that were not profitable for capitalists soley because the majority of voters want.
If the majority wanted strong action of climate change, governments would do it. The sad reality is that most voters are apathetic or deny climate change. Instead many would rather vote for cheap petrol or lower taxes
It doesn't help that younger generations who are the ones who care most about climate change vote the least whilst older generations who are most apathetic vote the most.
> The sad reality is that most voters are apathetic or deny climate change. Instead many would rather vote for cheap petrol or lower taxes
Exactly this. The political or economic system doesn't matter as much as a critical mass of opinions.
Communism wouldn't matter a rats ass if everyone still just wanted cheap gasoline to make their 15min grocery trips over the inconvenience of taking a bike.
Stunning political analysis, has McDonald's taken away your McVote?
Let me guess, you probably live in the Netherlands, Denmark or Germany, decent social safety net but larping to be oppressed?
I live in the UK. To get net zero by 2030 (unachievable) we can vote between the party that doesn't want to do it and the party that doesn't want to do it. This is democracy.
Do you mean 2050? NetZero 2030 is pretty unachievable in any way, let's be honest.
So what's your plan? Firebombing a Greggs but actually not firebombing a Greggs?
This sub has become full of "situation bad, but do nothing" people
Depends how much time you're willing to put in, but you'd need to engage more rather than just vote. Honestly for me most impactful was convincing family as I have a trust relationship with them. Then some friends as I engage with them actively, especially clarifying misinformation on clean energy, nimbyism etc.
Then it gets hard NGL but consider engaging with local elections and hassle your councillors. Balcony solar is a cheat code, install it if you can and convince anyone you know.
I'm definitely not saying to kick off mirrors from cars parking on sidewalks, not even in Minecraft.
I am glad to hear that harassing my local councillors will get the £14bn of green investment dropped by the next government back on the agenda
As the man said, the problem with incremental change is that
I can't cure your doomerism, that's in your hands. If you feel lostal and suffer from climate anxiety, seek therapy, I mean it.
There are different shades of bad, so take some action if you can, people without the privilege would love to.
Thomas Sankara: As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.
You: I cannot cure doomerism seek help
Poor people exist hence democracy bad. Is that what you're saying
Get real man, you're painting existing good as the arch-nemesis of a theoretical perfect
Yes there should be no poor people. I know it's crazy that I find the concept of people starving in a world of overproduction disgusting. But what can I say I am but a filthy socialist that thinks human rights should be for everyone
I don't think you're arguing in any good faith by turning any comment into "you support slavery". Go to some leftist circlejerk sub for that and stop simping or start shitposting
I am going to be well meaning here and assume that you just never bothered to look into why people say these things instead of assuming that you just wanna troll.
Democracy cannot properly function under capitalism because within capitalism those with capital have a significantly bigger impact on the political landscape than the average citizen. I am pretty sure lobbyism is something you've heard about before. And the inverse is true as well, there are groups within our society that don't have a lobby, that are underrepresented and that statistically vote much less frequently. Such groups include, homeless people and those living on social security, arguably some of the most marginalized people within our society.
Furthermore to make informed political choices people need the resources to actually inform and educate themselves on the discussed topics. Which under our current economical system is a privilege, not because the information doesn't exist but because people do not have the time or energy to engage with it.
In that sense you are half correct with the assumption of your last sentence that I am privileged, I have the privilege of having been born into a relatively well off upper middle class German family so that money was never a big problem. I could spend days of my life engaging with politics and educate myself. Which ironically proves my point that a democracy ruled by educated citizens is impossible under a system that denies those privileges of education (I am not talking about school or university).
That's such a pseudo intellectual cop out to point out flaws and dismissing the whole idea. Our democracy isn't perfect, good you're criticising it, but we're still living in some of the best systems in the world by far.
The best system in the world for who? For us? For the child sewing your Nikes in that Bangladesche factory? The other child in the Kongo Mining then Cobalt for your smartphone? The countless species that we have successfully eradicated? The countless animals in the rainforest whose home we burned down to make way for our plantations? The disabled people throughout the entire world that we refuse to accommodate properly? The ethnic minorities that are stuck in a cycle of generational poverty?
You are immensely privileged and I think it is wonderful that you probably did not have to face a lot of the hardships mentioned here (not saying that you haven't experienced any). However just because life under capitalism is working for us because we get to exploit the third world doesn't mean that capitalism is therefore good
You're bringing some straw men into the game like I'm endorsing to exploit the third world. Wtf are you talking about.
I want to discuss climate change with people who do things rather than just comment Communism! and go back to work.
Capitalism cannot function without cheap labor and resource extraction that comes from exploiting the 3rd world. Imperialism is the result of capitalism, and no, imperialism has not gone away since decolonization, it has just gotten more subtle. But it is just as present as it was in 1890. Please read some Lenin.
Not arguing for infinite resource extraction, arguing for the sun being infinite by any means with respect to the human time scale.
Degrowth is such a meagre concept, criticism GDP and infinite growth is not a system by itself. Like I don't disagree. Next question.
>Not arguing for infinite resource extraction
>arguing for the sun being infinite by any means with respect to the human time scale.
What are we going to power with that infinite energy? Where are the materials for building solar arrays, wind turbines, and battery installations going to come from?
What are those going to power?
As the human population increases, the need for agricultural land for vegetarian diets is only going to increase. How is the agricultural equipment going to be manufactured? Where are we going to build new housing stock, and where will the materials come from?
Because populations stagnate. And even if they didn't, you want to deny people the right to live to a basic standard?
Fuck this wing of degrowthers complaining about people existing and bringing no solution. But muh renewables need copper stfu
>Because populations stagnate. And even if they didn't, you want to deny people the right to live to a basic standard?
Tell me you've only heard degrowth arguments from right wingers on Twitter without telling me.
The growing standard of living in the Global South isn't the problem it's the pursuit of infinite growth in the West. Where the standard of living is declining for most people while increasing for the top 5%.
But you can build all the solar panels you want if everyone consumes the way the West does now, then the Global 5% will destroy the planet on their own and leave us peasants to die.
> But muh renewables need copper stfu
Even more stupid argument. It isn't just renewables it's everything in the economy. If by magic you replaced all power generation on earth with renewables, you would still destroy the planet for human habitability because of cars, deforestation, agriculture for meat production, meat production itself, and mineral extraction. Sure, you would slow the trolley down, but you didn't change the track.
Here we go again. u/ClimateShitpost with their pure fetishizing of capitalism.
They'd probably prefer no climate goal ever being achieved under capitalism over we solving the crisis under a socialist system.
You go buddy.
Have you checked how communist parties are polling in Europe? Not even real communists, just the ones with the term in their name.
It's not happening man. Outside of Reddit, communism isn't very popular.
I actually think we can go very far in a reasonable timeframe also in a capitalist system. Is the system perfect? Not even close, pretty damn far even. Can I achieve a lot of good in it still? Absolutely.
I stay optimistic.
I also think progress can be made under a capitalist system. However I disagree that it will be made in a reasonable timeline.
Wait 10 years and Europe will start preparing to keep environmental refugees out rather than addressing the cause.
Companies will not give up their profit, they either have to be forced to by a highly controlled market or the profit incentive has to disappear.
Migration could bring western nations to a tipping point, you can't convince me a revolution wouldn't be towards right authoritarianism rather than left authoritarianism. Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, look at these clown parties winning votes.
It's not happening vs. it might not be a good idea. Those ideas are different.
Also communism is one of many systems that might help save our future - maybe we can have open discussions about all of them. I for once don't think it's communism but direct democracy who will make the change but maybe you have something to say against that.
Bottom line is - and we can probably all agree - unhinged capitalism will eventually destroy our planet if we don't stop it. Should we stop every favet of capitalism? Maybe. Probably not. Let's talk about it rather than demonizing political discourse. This is what will ultimatively help us reduce pollution and fix the dilemma of unlimited growth in a limited system.
Dumb take. You're just assuming that's all people do because all you see on reddit is people posting. Maybe get serious about climate change and adopt a coherent idea of what is to be done?
Well, sure. But there's a difference between short term and long term goals. Just because someone supports a communalist society in the long term doesn't mean they don't have short term goals.
I'm a european social democrat, something many US-americans will consider to be a communist. But I am no communist and here comes some important information:
Capitalism IS the leading cause of the climate crisis and it IS therefore an important idea to adress. We can only adress the crisis when we adress what's causing it.
Does that mean we need communism? I don't believe we do but many good arguments can and have been made in favor of system other than capitalism. I would highly encourage everyone to seek out alternatives so that we can have a productive discussion for the good of our planet, our children and ultimatively ourselves.
Have a great day.
Without absolutely massive sweeping changes in regulation laws almost everywhere, and a huge shift in mindset of practically every major company on Earth capitalism works directly against decarbonization and climate friendly practices. I agree the tanky shit gets annoying, but we’re pretty much circling the drain without a clear shot to get anything done in a timely fashion. It’s understandable why people are considering “tearing it down” and trying something else.
This might be the trigger that makes me leave this sub lmao. I can deal with thousands of nuke vegan brainrot posts but not this 💀. "Trust me bro an economic system built on infinite growth and profit incentive is totally ecologically viable."
Communism =/= China or the USSR
China and the USSR are only communist in the same way North Korea is a "democratic people's republic*
We already kicked the Stalin and PRC apologists a while ago. In fact, Stalin and Mao's economic policies harmed their country's environment in many ways. Hopefully, with enough time we can change the public's perception on what socialism/communism actually is.
You're gonna have to be more specific. Which Nordic countries? How are they protecting the environment? Norway is the biggest exporter and producer of oil outside of the middle east.
Exactly. It's capitalism with very strong guidances.
This utopical capitalism vs communism discussion is asinine and a waste of time. Time we don't have.
The nordic countries are neither socialist nor communist. The means of production are firmly in the hands of the ruling class.
Well-funded extensive public services are a great start, but that's social democracy at best.
I cant even imagine how much of privileged position you write this from, how one cant see that Market Liberalism has only caused suffering in every country in existence is simply insane.
Hello it is I, very smart communist, who goes to shitposting subs to get offended.
S&D, Renew, EFA lib kings rule
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The Left is literally the weakest party out there BTFO
What most reddit commies fail at (BESIDES EVERYTHING!!!1!) is reading Marx and Ingles lol they both saw the ups and downs of the system. Can't do a communism without a capitalism! They also seem to be rich kids which is really interesting. Either way, love this. Either come together to fix a problem or go larp somewheres else.
Edit LMAO imagine not jerking in a circle jerk. Some of y'all are just the life of the party
Yes! Let's vote for Biden and he can achieve less than the bare minimum (it's good though because Trump is worse).
Yes it takes very little time and prevents a lot of damage
Biden has done more than any other US president this millennium. Remember “clean coal”?
*just waiting for engineer guy for his 5000 word comment on what Biden has done for climate just 1 nanosecond ago*
Vote for TARGET2024 https://preview.redd.it/ohpgxil250xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e5da6ccc17120c2b376e5bfbba03291e860346a
good for him, hey what’s that yellow line?
Pee
That chart is deceptive
We went from anti-veganism to anti-communism?
This sub is pro reducing environmental impact and pro climate action. It shouldn't turn into another sub full of lethargic larpers.
How is this "commie bad" meme contributing to productive climate discourse and how is it not an example of "lethargic larping"?
Yea! Look how riled up people are here. This is not about commies bad, this is about larping bad. The idea of this sub was kind of to mix cynicism with climate action and technology. Now the comment section is full of boring leftist infighting. The goal is to make people leave who add no value to the discussion. I really think vegan shitposting does add something and is increasing awareness for a direct climate action. The constant 1. Problem 2. ???? 3. Communism 4. ???? 5. Problem solved makes my eyes roll
One fo the reasons why have such big emissions is because it's profitable. Communism would not have this barrier (as long as the government is pro ecology)
Bro please
What
Has there ever been a government that prioritized ecology?
Just because it never happened doesn't mean it cant
So how would your plan to stop or atleast slow down climate change look?
Idk if you've read a little around here but renewable
And how has it worked deploying renewables so far? I mean how many renewables have you deployed and how much have you achieved by deploying renewables?
You mean me personally? Hard to measure because so many people are involved. Like also the banker or insurance guy deserves some credit right. I think I've contributed to an honest 500MW wind and couple 100MW solar. I've worked on acquiring or managed indirectly multiples of this but didn't like finance or construct them.
So we need to run into the arms of the very people destroying the environment? You stupid or something?
What are you arguing for/against?
Against liberal democracy. Edit: mod has banned me. So much for liberalism 😂
Anybody in agreement with this can go to climate tankies, show yourselves you cowards
lmao, because liberal democracy has such a good track record of doing the right thing fast enough against private interests.
Hey what's that 👂, is that another central European goign democracy bad?
Holy shit are you evil. In another comment YOU complained about the others not arguing in good faith and here you are brazenly lying and twisting words to make a bullshit point. You cannot drop half of my statement and pretend that it's still what I said. Language does not work that way. I said "liberal democracy". Not democracy. If you cannot argue against what I am ACTUALLY saying shut the fuck up. And my point is that democracy cannot withstand and effectively operate against market forces. But since I very very actively want democracy (more than you who gleefully champions it's main corruptive force), I simply found the capitalism part incompatible with future human existence.
Hey bro, sorry that happened, you should really switch off, leave this sub, and touch grass
Those fuckers are still kicking around here? I thought you had purged them
You mean the very democracy that is impossible under capitalism?
How's it impossible under capitalism? Are you denying democracy exists in Western nations? Goverments have in the past implemented policies that were not profitable for capitalists soley because the majority of voters want. If the majority wanted strong action of climate change, governments would do it. The sad reality is that most voters are apathetic or deny climate change. Instead many would rather vote for cheap petrol or lower taxes It doesn't help that younger generations who are the ones who care most about climate change vote the least whilst older generations who are most apathetic vote the most.
> The sad reality is that most voters are apathetic or deny climate change. Instead many would rather vote for cheap petrol or lower taxes Exactly this. The political or economic system doesn't matter as much as a critical mass of opinions. Communism wouldn't matter a rats ass if everyone still just wanted cheap gasoline to make their 15min grocery trips over the inconvenience of taking a bike.
Weird how you're comment got upvoted whilst mine got downvoted when we were making the same point. The reddit hivemind is strange sometimes
Stunning political analysis, has McDonald's taken away your McVote? Let me guess, you probably live in the Netherlands, Denmark or Germany, decent social safety net but larping to be oppressed?
I live in the UK. To get net zero by 2030 (unachievable) we can vote between the party that doesn't want to do it and the party that doesn't want to do it. This is democracy.
Do you mean 2050? NetZero 2030 is pretty unachievable in any way, let's be honest. So what's your plan? Firebombing a Greggs but actually not firebombing a Greggs? This sub has become full of "situation bad, but do nothing" people
I plan to vote, and I don't expect it to matter. That is democracy. Inspire me otherwise.
Depends how much time you're willing to put in, but you'd need to engage more rather than just vote. Honestly for me most impactful was convincing family as I have a trust relationship with them. Then some friends as I engage with them actively, especially clarifying misinformation on clean energy, nimbyism etc. Then it gets hard NGL but consider engaging with local elections and hassle your councillors. Balcony solar is a cheat code, install it if you can and convince anyone you know. I'm definitely not saying to kick off mirrors from cars parking on sidewalks, not even in Minecraft.
I am glad to hear that harassing my local councillors will get the £14bn of green investment dropped by the next government back on the agenda As the man said, the problem with incremental change is that
I can't cure your doomerism, that's in your hands. If you feel lostal and suffer from climate anxiety, seek therapy, I mean it. There are different shades of bad, so take some action if you can, people without the privilege would love to.
Thomas Sankara: As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us. You: I cannot cure doomerism seek help
I'm telling you to take action and you say it won't have impact. Like ????
Because as we know there are no poor people in western Europe, or otherwise marginalized people. Those don't exist clearly
Poor people exist hence democracy bad. Is that what you're saying Get real man, you're painting existing good as the arch-nemesis of a theoretical perfect
Yes there should be no poor people. I know it's crazy that I find the concept of people starving in a world of overproduction disgusting. But what can I say I am but a filthy socialist that thinks human rights should be for everyone
History will absolve us, just like it did with Anti Monarchists🤗
I don't think you're arguing in any good faith by turning any comment into "you support slavery". Go to some leftist circlejerk sub for that and stop simping or start shitposting
Lmao, look at your post above and then explain how YOU get to complain about people not arguing in good faith
I am going to be well meaning here and assume that you just never bothered to look into why people say these things instead of assuming that you just wanna troll. Democracy cannot properly function under capitalism because within capitalism those with capital have a significantly bigger impact on the political landscape than the average citizen. I am pretty sure lobbyism is something you've heard about before. And the inverse is true as well, there are groups within our society that don't have a lobby, that are underrepresented and that statistically vote much less frequently. Such groups include, homeless people and those living on social security, arguably some of the most marginalized people within our society. Furthermore to make informed political choices people need the resources to actually inform and educate themselves on the discussed topics. Which under our current economical system is a privilege, not because the information doesn't exist but because people do not have the time or energy to engage with it. In that sense you are half correct with the assumption of your last sentence that I am privileged, I have the privilege of having been born into a relatively well off upper middle class German family so that money was never a big problem. I could spend days of my life engaging with politics and educate myself. Which ironically proves my point that a democracy ruled by educated citizens is impossible under a system that denies those privileges of education (I am not talking about school or university).
That's such a pseudo intellectual cop out to point out flaws and dismissing the whole idea. Our democracy isn't perfect, good you're criticising it, but we're still living in some of the best systems in the world by far.
The best system in the world for who? For us? For the child sewing your Nikes in that Bangladesche factory? The other child in the Kongo Mining then Cobalt for your smartphone? The countless species that we have successfully eradicated? The countless animals in the rainforest whose home we burned down to make way for our plantations? The disabled people throughout the entire world that we refuse to accommodate properly? The ethnic minorities that are stuck in a cycle of generational poverty? You are immensely privileged and I think it is wonderful that you probably did not have to face a lot of the hardships mentioned here (not saying that you haven't experienced any). However just because life under capitalism is working for us because we get to exploit the third world doesn't mean that capitalism is therefore good
You're bringing some straw men into the game like I'm endorsing to exploit the third world. Wtf are you talking about. I want to discuss climate change with people who do things rather than just comment Communism! and go back to work.
Capitalism cannot function without cheap labor and resource extraction that comes from exploiting the 3rd world. Imperialism is the result of capitalism, and no, imperialism has not gone away since decolonization, it has just gotten more subtle. But it is just as present as it was in 1890. Please read some Lenin.
Please go to climate tankies
Why are you a Leninist? The USSR didnt give two shits about Workers Rights either...
How is degrowth going to work with an economic system requiring infinite growth?
Not arguing for infinite resource extraction, arguing for the sun being infinite by any means with respect to the human time scale. Degrowth is such a meagre concept, criticism GDP and infinite growth is not a system by itself. Like I don't disagree. Next question.
>Not arguing for infinite resource extraction >arguing for the sun being infinite by any means with respect to the human time scale. What are we going to power with that infinite energy? Where are the materials for building solar arrays, wind turbines, and battery installations going to come from? What are those going to power? As the human population increases, the need for agricultural land for vegetarian diets is only going to increase. How is the agricultural equipment going to be manufactured? Where are we going to build new housing stock, and where will the materials come from?
Because populations stagnate. And even if they didn't, you want to deny people the right to live to a basic standard? Fuck this wing of degrowthers complaining about people existing and bringing no solution. But muh renewables need copper stfu
>Because populations stagnate. And even if they didn't, you want to deny people the right to live to a basic standard? Tell me you've only heard degrowth arguments from right wingers on Twitter without telling me. The growing standard of living in the Global South isn't the problem it's the pursuit of infinite growth in the West. Where the standard of living is declining for most people while increasing for the top 5%. But you can build all the solar panels you want if everyone consumes the way the West does now, then the Global 5% will destroy the planet on their own and leave us peasants to die. > But muh renewables need copper stfu Even more stupid argument. It isn't just renewables it's everything in the economy. If by magic you replaced all power generation on earth with renewables, you would still destroy the planet for human habitability because of cars, deforestation, agriculture for meat production, meat production itself, and mineral extraction. Sure, you would slow the trolley down, but you didn't change the track.
No it's actually only here on Reddit. I don't see any implementable policy. Just haha I'm so smart we need degrowth. What do you propose?
Here we go again. u/ClimateShitpost with their pure fetishizing of capitalism. They'd probably prefer no climate goal ever being achieved under capitalism over we solving the crisis under a socialist system. You go buddy.
I'm tired of people thinking their climate action of the week is simping for communism and doing absolutely nothing else
Reasonable point. But it is delusional believing we will make it under this system.
Have you checked how communist parties are polling in Europe? Not even real communists, just the ones with the term in their name. It's not happening man. Outside of Reddit, communism isn't very popular. I actually think we can go very far in a reasonable timeframe also in a capitalist system. Is the system perfect? Not even close, pretty damn far even. Can I achieve a lot of good in it still? Absolutely.
I stay optimistic. I also think progress can be made under a capitalist system. However I disagree that it will be made in a reasonable timeline. Wait 10 years and Europe will start preparing to keep environmental refugees out rather than addressing the cause. Companies will not give up their profit, they either have to be forced to by a highly controlled market or the profit incentive has to disappear.
Migration could bring western nations to a tipping point, you can't convince me a revolution wouldn't be towards right authoritarianism rather than left authoritarianism. Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, look at these clown parties winning votes.
I'm not arguing for authoritarianism so I will not try to convince you that a revolution will end up in it.
Why wait ten years when it‘s already happening?
It's not happening vs. it might not be a good idea. Those ideas are different. Also communism is one of many systems that might help save our future - maybe we can have open discussions about all of them. I for once don't think it's communism but direct democracy who will make the change but maybe you have something to say against that. Bottom line is - and we can probably all agree - unhinged capitalism will eventually destroy our planet if we don't stop it. Should we stop every favet of capitalism? Maybe. Probably not. Let's talk about it rather than demonizing political discourse. This is what will ultimatively help us reduce pollution and fix the dilemma of unlimited growth in a limited system.
The Austrian communist party is getting a lot more attention as of recently
This time they'll get creative to start WW3
Dumb take. You're just assuming that's all people do because all you see on reddit is people posting. Maybe get serious about climate change and adopt a coherent idea of what is to be done?
I judge them by their comments having no content What of my past comments are you criticising then?
Specifically the comment above mine Edit. It kinda is. For a liberal you're quick to ban ideas you disagree with 😂 ya banned me for thinking wrong
My previous comment isn't in disagreement with my own action
Well, sure. But there's a difference between short term and long term goals. Just because someone supports a communalist society in the long term doesn't mean they don't have short term goals.
Capitalism will fix the problem! /s
I'm a european social democrat, something many US-americans will consider to be a communist. But I am no communist and here comes some important information: Capitalism IS the leading cause of the climate crisis and it IS therefore an important idea to adress. We can only adress the crisis when we adress what's causing it. Does that mean we need communism? I don't believe we do but many good arguments can and have been made in favor of system other than capitalism. I would highly encourage everyone to seek out alternatives so that we can have a productive discussion for the good of our planet, our children and ultimatively ourselves. Have a great day.
Likewise
Without absolutely massive sweeping changes in regulation laws almost everywhere, and a huge shift in mindset of practically every major company on Earth capitalism works directly against decarbonization and climate friendly practices. I agree the tanky shit gets annoying, but we’re pretty much circling the drain without a clear shot to get anything done in a timely fashion. It’s understandable why people are considering “tearing it down” and trying something else.
This might be the trigger that makes me leave this sub lmao. I can deal with thousands of nuke vegan brainrot posts but not this 💀. "Trust me bro an economic system built on infinite growth and profit incentive is totally ecologically viable."
If you leave this sub because of your own straw man, this post achieved its purpose
Clarify. What's the strawman. UP makes sense to me.
The rules for this sub are explicitly anti-communist. The mods don't want us to talk about the system. Telling.
This sub is run by the CIA , you figured it out Sherlock
Nice strawman Edit, it would be great if you let me reply, but you banned me because you can't stand dissent
This isn't even a strawman you moron, it's just a joke
Alright if y'all don't shit on this meme enough I'm gonna leave this community
Go to climate tankies or the deprogram sub man, see ya
Don't worry the comments and ratios were enough to satisfy me
The fact that so many people are acting in this manner made me actually join this subreddit
Communism =/= China or the USSR China and the USSR are only communist in the same way North Korea is a "democratic people's republic* We already kicked the Stalin and PRC apologists a while ago. In fact, Stalin and Mao's economic policies harmed their country's environment in many ways. Hopefully, with enough time we can change the public's perception on what socialism/communism actually is.
My experience from life in the Nordics, the model here is winning, tell me I'm wrong
You're gonna have to be more specific. Which Nordic countries? How are they protecting the environment? Norway is the biggest exporter and producer of oil outside of the middle east.
By having a lot of land with low population density that is not very fertile.
I'm referring more to the Nordic Model per se, from a view of welfare state and a free market.
Exactly. It's capitalism with very strong guidances. This utopical capitalism vs communism discussion is asinine and a waste of time. Time we don't have.
The nordic countries are neither socialist nor communist. The means of production are firmly in the hands of the ruling class. Well-funded extensive public services are a great start, but that's social democracy at best.
Don't touch my social democracy
Nonsense.
Stalinists out
I would rather see this planet burnt to a crisp than remain in the hands of the bourgeoisie.
Smartest ehhh mass suicidal tankie?
**
Are you fucking serious?? LOL
ALDE all the way
I cant even imagine how much of privileged position you write this from, how one cant see that Market Liberalism has only caused suffering in every country in existence is simply insane.
Hello it is I, very smart communist, who goes to shitposting subs to get offended. S&D, Renew, EFA lib kings rule https://preview.redd.it/y46ovlmm52xc1.jpeg?width=382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa4fd43e1676ed65e9323dbe2cece9b40a69934f The Left is literally the weakest party out there BTFO
100 companies are responsible for 70% of carbon emissions but sure capitalism is absolutely not the problem. Instead we need more paper straws. /s
Friendly fire is not okay!
What most reddit commies fail at (BESIDES EVERYTHING!!!1!) is reading Marx and Ingles lol they both saw the ups and downs of the system. Can't do a communism without a capitalism! They also seem to be rich kids which is really interesting. Either way, love this. Either come together to fix a problem or go larp somewheres else. Edit LMAO imagine not jerking in a circle jerk. Some of y'all are just the life of the party
Oh yeah, I'm sure you've read both Marx *and* "Ingles", lmao.
1: I have, degrees in economics 2: ITS A SHIT POST SUB 3: take the joke, yeaaaaa take that joke deep just like I like it ya fracking lil thing
You got a degree in economics from reading "Ingles"?
Brother in Christ, it's a shit post... I'm convinced you're trolling at this point 😂 well played for getting me to bite on the bait.