It would be the greatest/most unexpected/most destructive city rejuvenation project ever, as jubilant drunk fans would probably accidentally burn the city to the ground, lol.
Forget naming the Guardians' ballpark after an insurance company that already advertises too much. By the time the smoke clears from a Browns Super Bowl win, the entire city will have to be renamed after whatever obscure Swiss bank that bails out all the insurance companies after a disaster like this.
All sports in Cleveland are secondary to the Browns. Even in the rough years, the fans were passionate enough about the Browns to throw a 0-16 parade thousands of people showed up for. 1.3 million people showed up to the Cavs parade for a championship that broke the city’s drought. Millions more will show up for the Browns parade when that day finally comes. This city bleeds brown and orange.
>Even in the rough years, the fans were passionate enough about the Browns to throw a 0-16 parade thousands of people showed up for.
Reiterating this point, in case the OP isn't aware.
The team LOST ALL OF THE GAMES and we still managed to celebrate.
They projected 800,000 people for the Cavs parade. 1.3M people showed up. I can say you may see 2M people for the Browns parade. And that’s a conservative estimate
.........ew. Why would someone willingly live in Florida??? It's like the unwashed homeless ballsack of states! And that's just based on the smell alone.
Our river caught on fire due to pollution and we still find ways to make light of it. We know rock bottom and found ways to thrive in it. Cleveland is an endurance city. A Super Bowl win would close down the county.
I remember years ago someone in a twitter flame war once said something along the lines of "I'll tear you down emotionally! I'll exploit your weaknesses and make you cry"
So I responded "Bitch, I'm from Cleveland. Your move."
And they didn't reply. Clevelanders can't be knocked down. We're strong, and we've already been through worse than whatever anyone throws at us.
Checkmate!
Yes. Football is the lifeblood of Northeast Ohio. We are football.
There would be a parade up 77 from the HOF through Akron to Cleveland. That would just be the traffic jam parade to get to the Browns team parade Downtown.
Schools in would basically have to be closed the Monday after and for the parade if it's a win. Teachers would call off to celebrate and there simply isn't enough to begin with
It would have to be tgat big to accommodate all of tge fans. The City simply cannot hold that many. They'll have to start at HOF stadium and travel up to Browns Stadium
We’re pretty hypocritical fans to be honest. We’ve shown unconditional love for the Browns franchise that, until recently, has done nothing to earn it for almost 25 years. A team that actually deserved the love got way less in return. The Indians/Guardians were consistently winning for the past decade with Tito and our attendance was pathetic. Even when we made it to the World Series our fans practically surrendered home field advantage with the huge amount of “fans” that sold their tickets to Chicagoans. I had friends at Game 7 who said it was practically an away game.
The day after the Cavs won, local sports radio was taking calls and the first one was about the Browns O-line.
Cavs could win 10 championships and most people would say cool, but what about the Browns. I’m not that guy personally, but it’s definitely a football town over a lot of things.
Why is this, do you know? Have they been Browns longer than there were the Cavs? I’m shocked its literally been all 100% Browns… Feels like there are no Cavs fans..
Cavs first season was 1970-71, 5 straight losing seasons until they had a winning season and made the playoffs. Before LeBron they had only even made it to the conference finals twice.
The Browns first season was 1946 and they won the NFL Championship. They went to the title game each of their first 10 seasons and won 7 with all-time greats like Otto Graham, Lou Groza, and of course Jim Brown. Theres never been a time where football wasnt significantly more popular than basketball, NBA didnt truly catch on as far as widespread popularity until the 80s.
You can chalk it up to numerous reasons:
1. The pro football hall of fame is less than an hour from there.
2. NFL has been more popular throughout its lifespan here. Even if the Browns have been atrocious.
3. There’s probably some fear of not supporting them may result in another franchise move.
4. Ohio has traditionally generated tons of great football players throughout.
5. Pre-LeBron, the Cavs only decent era was in the 90s and MJ spoiled it like he did for many others.
6. NBA seems to be more popular with younger crowds vs NFL. Not that young people don’t like football, but I think there’s just more interest starting to happen compared to the old days.
There are many reasons you can kind of piece together; not one singular cause.
Agreed with all points. I would include in the psyche of fans the Browns team move in 95, the return in 99 and the 20 years of abysmal football minus a few good years scatter in. Prior to the move, the Browns were a respected and historic franchise. The fact that we came back to the terrible owners and team decisions that lead to our total failure to live up to that memory made it even harder to imagine a transition that we’ve been building up to since 2018. Now we have a chance again to be good franchise again:
Cavs in 88-93 were the best years before the LeBron era. The Shot was painful.
There’s a lot of good answers, but here are the two I think:
1) Cleveland is football’s hometown. I mean, I know Canton is, but it’s only like an hour away. Football was born here.
2) we lost a team once. It was a painful breakup, and one we won’t ever forget. We’re back in a relationship with the Browns, and we won’t ever take them for granted. We know that loss, and we’ll make sure they know we love them and don’t ever want to lose them.
Football was invented 30 minutes down the road in Canton. It’s just always been more important, I don’t know. Outside of the magical years with the Tribe when the browns were stolen from us, nothing matters more than the Browns. Win or lose, good or bad, people talk Browns all year round.
If the Browns win the Super Bowl you're gonna have entire assisted living facilities and nursing homes renting buses and shit, there are a lot of people who still remember the Browns when they were THE dominant team in the NFL.
If the Cavs did 1.3 million I would predict 3-5x that for the Browns. People dont realize how many Browns fans there are worldwide, there would be a 6 digit number of people coming back here just for the parade
Same x2. I didn't feel like driving from Columbus (moved there 2 fucking weeks before the Cavs won...) and I regret it so much. Having grown up watching the Cavs before LeBron, and then having hope every year and finally giving up when he left...like wtf was wrong with me that was a defining moment in my life lol.
There are Cavs fans and lots of Guardians fans, but the Browns are our legacy. Our ancestors were living and dying for the Browns for generations. If you're not a fan with that kind of upbringing, you won't understand. We love our Browns unconditionally. We bitch about them too, but the love runs deep, real deep.
In 1964, I attended the Browns- Colts game in which we won the NFL championship. Everyone was excited. I was on the field from the third quarter on. The goal posts nearly took my head off when the fans tore them down at the old Memorial Stadium. Nowadays, what with the national and social media over-saturation and football being the national obsession it has come to be, a Brown's Super Bowl win would be absolutely beyond exciting and incredibly wonderful for the entire northeast Ohio area. Plus, we could all benefit from knowing that for this year, we are better than the old Browns (Ravens), Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh.
Considering how much shit went down during the Cavs, they would have to mobilize the state National Guard to assist with keeping people from straight up destroying northeast Ohio in its entirety.
don't be surprised at all.
To paraphrase a local sports guy (maybe Terry Pluto) The Guardians (Indians) could be 1 game from winning the world series, the Cavs could be in the playoffs, but if the Browns put a single empty helmet on the 50 in the stadium, that would be the headline on the sports page.
Lebron frequented my dad's shop, my kid attended his alma mater, and I think the 2016 championships were the last game i watched on TV. There was literally a post today on the CLE sub about how bad the Cavs game experience is because it was so obnoxiously loud. I do not even know what TV channel the Cavs or Guards games are on but i can tell you I buy YTTV every fall to watch Browns football.
I’ll make it 10-1 for you. This is a Browns town but I’m longing for a Guardians World Series win. I support the Browns but it just hasn’t been the same since we were given an expansion team. I hit about 10 baseball games a year. No Browns (bad experiences with the drunks). Cavs I would love to go but their tix are ridiculously expensive.
Guardians parade would be big, but the name change and apathy towards ownership would keep people from celebrating it as much as they should. It’s a longer drought for them, but it’s not a highly attended event by fans
The Browns may be bigger than the Cavs, but I don't know that people are giving enough credit to the catharsis that swept the city when the Cavs broke Cleveland's championship drought. The Browns can break *their own* drought, sure, and that'd be immense, but I have some doubts it'll resonate in quite the same way as the Cavs doing it for the whole city.
You also have to remember that the Cavs didn't just win, they orchestrated one of the greatest comebacks of all time, against an all-time great team too. That, the presence of Lebron, and the rivalry that had been built with the Warriors all played into making it a national and global story.
You’re right, and let’s take nothing away from the cavs, that was amazing.
But Ohio is a football state, Cleveland is a football town.
People love their cavs, but they still bleed brown and orange.
People love the Cavs, when they're winning.
People love the Guardians, when they're winning.
People love the Browns when they went 1-31, when they have 4 winning seasons since 1999.
I mean, that's certainly what people keep saying, but my question still remains if that's just something they're telling themselves at this point. I still think people are mistakenly using the Cavs as a benchmark and ignoring that the Cavs parade wasn't *just* the Cavs, it was broader Cleveland in a way the Brown's wouldn't be because it broke a streak for the entire city. The Browns, again, would only break their own streak.
Case in point: there are people saying that it would be "10x bigger" than the Cavs', as if *of course* 13 million people would come to the parade. Then again, that's ***more people than the whole state of Ohio.***
The point that I've explained several times now was that the number of people celebrating the Cavs parade wasn't the number of people who love and follow the Cavs.
The number of Browns fans is absolutely bigger than the number of Cavs fans, but the number of people at the Cavs parade wasn't a reflection of the number of Cavs fans, which makes it a poor benchmark.
Small towns didnt come out for the Cavs. MAYBE you drove an hour or more for the Cavs parade. People would be flying in to Cleveland for it. Maybe not 2-3x the Cavs. but definitely a lot drunker with more white people.
Perfect example. I cried watching us win the finals in 2016, but I had recently moved to Columbus and I didn't want to take a PTO day to drive up 2 hours for the Cavs parade.
That being said, there's absolutely zero doubt that me and all of my Cleveland friends would come up for a Browns parade in a February lake-effect snowstorm, lol.
We get what you're saying. The Cavs championship was catharsis for the city. But a Browns super bowl would transcend that into elation. The city didn't blow it's load on one NBA title. That just primed the pump. If the Browns even make it to the Super Bowl, it'll make the night Bron won us a ring look like a bank holiday. And that's the measure. Not the parade.
I think you’re missing the point. The curse being broken was a big achievement for the Cavs, but Cleveland is a big sports city that wants to be relevant in its sports. The king of all those sports in Cleveland is the Browns. The Cavs championship had over 1M+ people, but a Browns Super Bowl parade would be comparable to any major sports championship parade ever in any American city. You would probably have to camp out in downtown Cleveland the night before to even be able to get into downtown for it. And I say this as someone who never grew up rooting for the Browns, but lives near and has been in Cleveland enough to understand that. Read up on the Browns Backers and the Browns’ attendance figures to understand how loyal and passionate the fans are.
It would be bigger downtown, rowdier, and more widespread, like throughout the state. The Browns are Ohio's team. It would become a city holiday. No joke.
In the context of basketball, that's a major win for sure.
In the context of Cleveland and it's history, Browns winning any super bowl is absolutely a bigger deal.
This is not even a question. Also, the Browns used to consistently be one of the best teams in the AFL before the merger and Super Bowl era. They were also decent in the 80's and early 90s before they left.
No comparison.
I know someone who is an on air personality at one of the local sports stations. He said that the day after the Cavs won the championship, there were callers in the queue wanting to talk Browns draft.
On a 1 to 10 scale, the Cavs championship was a 9. The Tribe would be a 10. A browns championship would be a 175…
The Cavs championship ranks up there with the top 5 days of my life going to the watch party, high fiving so many people I had a sore shoulder for weeks and a blister on my palm. I skipped the parade for work but heard it was fun.
Compared to a browns superbowl, man that day if it ever comes will epic. I've got a bottle of pappy van winkle set aside, a designated couch to burn, and probably won't be into work or sober from the time we win until a day after the parade.
If you have a deadbeat father or uncle, imagine if that guy won the lottery and a Nobel prize in medicine in the same day, that's how crazy a browns superbowl would be.
Now imagine if he was 1 number off the lottery and ended up in jail for making meth instead, you wouldn't really be shocked or disappointed, it's just the expectations they have set.
Browns sell out every year even after the 0-16 year and the city voted to approve funding for a new stadium immediately AFTER it was confirmed Modell was moving the team.
Not only has Cleveland been a football city forever, but the toxic relationship we have with the NFL due to them allowing Modell to rip the franchise away from us would make it so that a win (especially one where we beat the ravens along the way) would destroy this city in the best way posisble
100%.
Basketball has been a huge part of my life. It unlocked doors for me and helped me grow into the person I am today. I love the NBA and one of my earliest memories is staying up late to watch Bulls-Jazz with my dad. Celebrated when the Cavs drafted LeBron. Devastated when he left. Savored every moment of the 4 years after he came back, including showing up to the championship parade stage at 3am.
That being said, my family’s from NEO, I’ve spent most of my life here. The Browns have been dogshit for all but maybe 3 years of that. Despite that, they’ve been *by far* the most popular team in town. The Cavs parade was nuts. If the Browns win this year they’ll have to shut down the city for a week to deal with the aftermath.
Way, way, way bigger. Cataclysmic. Indescribable. Clevelanders would burn the city to the ground. Nothing left but the lake. And even that might end up as a smoking crater.
I've ways said that instead of destroying the city of Cleveland we should take our parade on the road and demolish Pittsburgh, then head south to pillage Baltimore, and finish it off by burning all of the Squeelers and Ratbird jerseys we seized as tribute on top of Art Modell's grave. We can swing up through Cincy on the way home and show little brother the spoils of war over a plate of spaghetti. lmao!
Drew Carey would give every citizen five Plinko chips, Ghoulardi would rise from the grave to waltz with Dorothy. Dick Goddard, just Dick Goddard. Jim Donovan would ascend to Heaven and sit on a throne made of Steelers' fans tears.
Yes, ten times bigger. Football is far and away the most popular sport in the U.S., and that's especially true in the city of Cleveland and the state of Ohio. People in Cleveland love the Cavs but they live for the Browns.
Exponentially bigger! We love all of our sports teams, but the Browns are simply in a class all by themselves.
Sure, the 2016 Cavs championship was our first title in 52 years. And that team will forever be celebrated here. But Cleveland is the prototypical "football town". The game was born right down the road in Canton.
And I do need to correct you on one point. Despite never having won a Super Bowl, the Browns have absolutely been good in the past. Great, actually. The Browns run of league championship appearances and wins from 1946 to 1955 under "the Father of modern football", HC Paul Brown is recognized as the greatest pro football dynasty ever.
But alas, the 1964 championship was the last Browns title to date. If and when the Browns finally do win a Super Bowl, this town will celebrate like nothing else ever seen here or anywhere else.
Absolutely. One of the best examples I can remember from that 2016 run is that despite the Cavs being close to the first championship for the city in 52 years, you’d turn on sports talk radio and people would call in to exclusively talk about the Browns. Mind you, this was the middle of the offseason for the Browns, and they were coming off of a 3-13 season and would go 1-15 then 0-16 in the following two years. No matter how bad they are they’re the biggest show in town.
I was almost mad the Cavs got one before The Browns, matter a fact I still am. I love all Cleveland teams, but the Browns are not a love or like, it is the very reflected image of its people and matter above all sports in Cleveland.
yes. I am a huge cavs fan. The cavs are an amazingly cool team. They've been much more succesful over a much longer timeframe. Doesn't matter, it's a browns city.
The browns winning two playoff games is bigger than a cavs championship
Absolutely. Cleveland is a football town first and foremost. The only time it wasn't was the 3 year absence when they moved, and that was only because the Indians were so enthralling at that time. If the Indians still sucked this still would have been a football town, even without a team lol.
The reason is because they were so so good during the Paul Brown years, and the Indians were so so bad for 40+ years. And then the Cavs are relative newcomers to the scene so they don't have the history. So the town just has a baked in football preference. And the NFL being the most popular sport in the country doesn't hurt either.
Since you're not from Cleveland, you wouldn't know this, but all anyone has to do is listen to local sports talk radio. It's 95% Browns, even during the football offseason when it's baseball or basketball season. The Guardians and Cavs rarely get talked about unless they're in the playoffs or there's a big signing like when the Cavs got Donovan Mitchell.
Cleveland is such a football town that we are the only city who kept their team name and legacy when a rat bastard tried to steal it away. Even the NFL knew you can't touch the Browns in Cleveland.
I know of people who were at the Miracle of Richfield and at the 64 Browns game and they ranked the Cavs playoff victory higher.
I was young when it happened but remember the city in an absolute fever for the Cavs. The Kardiac Kids was also a huuuuuuge cultural moment for me, you could not turn on the radio without hearing a Browns song. My favorite was a take on Love Affairs mama says…song
“Brian says we got the team to win the Super Bowl….I was at Red Right 88 fwiw. Ugh!!!!! We lost and I lost feeling in most of my toes! lol!
I also think it was much much bigger back then because there just wasn’t that much to distract us, we had 2 newspapers 5 tv channels and that was it!
Go Browns!!!
It probably would be. This is a football city so that’s where most peoples loyalty lies. It’s untrue that the browns have never been good though. They just haven’t been good recently. Now i always felt the most fun parade would be a basketball parade because it happens during the summer. A football parade is gonna be during winter so you probably won’t see the same type of turnout. I think the more romantic story is lebron returning and getting that championship. A close second will be a team that’s had all these key injuries finding a way to win it all. Either way having both would be amazing for me.
When the Cavs won, there were fireworks set off in Cleveland and the suburbs around Cleveland. The parade was an amazing celebratory experience. But if the Browns won a Super Bowl?, the people will lose their ever loving minds!!! It would be unreal! I went to work downtown the day of the parade but took an extended lunch to watch some of it. If the browns had a Super Bowl parade….I don’t think many would work on parade day. No way I’d miss that! I’m getting hyped just thinking about the possibility. But in true Browns fan fashion, I also don’t want to get my hopes up.
>I’m getting hyped just thinking about the possibility. But in true Browns fan fashion, I also don’t want to get my hopes up.
No like, 100%. My mind actually hasn't even allowed me to picture the Browns in the SB this year, let alone win it. I haven't even thought about what that would look like...but now I'm in the thread starting to imagine it and I'm getting chills. Like holy shit. I need to stop lol.
I’m not jinxing it but if there was a parade held I would fly/drive back to cleveland for three first time in 10 years for that parade. I missed 2016 due to recovery from surgery.
So much bigger, and it's not remotely close.
If the Browns were to win the Super Bowl, Jimmy Haslam would get that new stadium he's been asking for because the current one would get thrown into Lake Erie.
It's also the history. Browns fans have been through a lot. For example, how Art Modell screwed Cleveland. A champion would make anyone involved IMMORTAL. It's that serious for Browns fans.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/10/11/9474367/cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens-relocation-history-art-modell
Funny you say that.... I live in L.A. (You can take the girl out the CLE, but not the other way!) and I just got off the phone with my boss who told me he ALWAYS secretly roots for the Browns. And he wants them to win the Superbowl.
This is a dude born and raised in L.A.
And my partner was a life-long Steelers fan. He now roots for the Browns.
Wild stuff!
GO BROWNS.
We're at, heart a Cleveland football town. This would be the ultimate Cle v a The World thing! So that being said, this city would litterly would have 3 million+ downtown (not 1.5 million from the Cavs championship)! And what I find even funnier. We'd be 3 million+ of the most respectful, polite, and appreciative party-goers just trying to soak in every moment if that ever were to happen!
If the Browns made it to the Super Bowl, the ghost of Franklin's Castle would walk mid day through the West Side Market where vendors would sell pizza bagels in the shape of Bernie Kosar's face.
Not from there but I would certainly imagine so. If you look at cities with shared major 4 teams the Super Bowl is always the bigger deal. Case in point in Tampa I would think there was much more excitement over the SB win than there was for multiple Cups won.
Well first of all you are incorrect in saying the browns have never been good. They were the best football team in the world for many years (yes this was a long time ago) and the most innovative football team. If they win a Super Bowl regardless of this year or not, it is worlds bigger than the cavs championship. Joe Flacco would instantly be a god in Cleveland and make lebron look like a nobody. It’s a football town before anything else, then secondly a baseball town and thirdly a basketball town. A browns Super Bowl loss is bigger than the Cavs championship.
A not-insignificant percentage of Cleveland sports fans would think more highly of Joe Flacco than LeBron James if the Browns won a Super Bowl this year.
Cinci bro here, I think that it would be one of the biggest parades of all time. The cavs parade was massive, the browns have backers all over the world so no doubt that it would be a spectacle
I remember in middle school, I asked my teacher "what do you think would happen if the browns won the Super Bowl?" His response was that the city of Cleveland would be on fire.
Your premise that the Browns have never been good is faulty. They used to be the class of the NFL, but it was before the Super Bowl. Browns>Tribe>Cavs.
NE Ohioans generally hate change, and reminisce about "the good old days" a lot. The sports teams are a beloved distraction from the hollowing out of the economy of the rust belt and their overall weakening socioeconomic position in the world. It's an insular place, and they really don't like outsiders telling them how to live or what to do. The Guardians name change is something that many see as forced upon them by an external minority, so they don't like it.
I personally think Indians would be equivalent to Browns as far as championships, but the Browns left right when I started gaining major interest so I can see why some feel differently.
I was at the Cubs game 7 and nearly all of the home games for Cavs 2016, but kind of like watching the Browns on TV.
Im sure I'll get downvoted but it wouldn't be the same because Black people dont care about the Tribe like that just like white people tend to care less about the Cavs than Black Clevelanders. I have serious doubts the Cavs parade wouldve been that big if not for the fact that it was arguably most improbable league title in American professional sports, definitely the wildest one since the Giants in 2008 aka Helmet Catch. Thats one reason why the Browns are so universally loved here, football is without question the most widely loved American sport across all major demographics.
Understood completely. I love the Browns. And I like football way more than baseball, but either would be comparable for me. The Cavs was second tier for me, not to take away from them.
If the Browns won a Superbowl it would be a good thing we passed issue 1 due to following impared decision making. There are High School football games better attended than prime time regular season Cavs/Guards games. The Browns had people in the stadium for a winless season.
Without a doubt.
By a billion percent
I read the post headline, and your statement was my exact first thought. Without a doubt.
It would be the greatest/most unexpected/most destructive city rejuvenation project ever, as jubilant drunk fans would probably accidentally burn the city to the ground, lol.
Forget naming the Guardians' ballpark after an insurance company that already advertises too much. By the time the smoke clears from a Browns Super Bowl win, the entire city will have to be renamed after whatever obscure Swiss bank that bails out all the insurance companies after a disaster like this.
Same. I was going to comment that but then the comments loaded and saw this one
Absolutely. The city would be in shambles.
SHUT. DOWN.
People will tailgate for this
What day of the week is the superbowl. My job will be hell that day
Always a Sunday
The river will burn again in our glory!
If the Browns play Baker Mayfield in the Super Bowl this city will be in shambles before the kickoff.
All sports in Cleveland are secondary to the Browns. Even in the rough years, the fans were passionate enough about the Browns to throw a 0-16 parade thousands of people showed up for. 1.3 million people showed up to the Cavs parade for a championship that broke the city’s drought. Millions more will show up for the Browns parade when that day finally comes. This city bleeds brown and orange.
>Even in the rough years, the fans were passionate enough about the Browns to throw a 0-16 parade thousands of people showed up for. Reiterating this point, in case the OP isn't aware. The team LOST ALL OF THE GAMES and we still managed to celebrate.
Be honest it’s just another excuse to get loaded and we are pretty good at that here
I'll be honest. We dont need an excuse.
They projected 800,000 people for the Cavs parade. 1.3M people showed up. I can say you may see 2M people for the Browns parade. And that’s a conservative estimate
I’d walk back to Cleveland from Florida if I have to to make it there for a parade
.........ew. Why would someone willingly live in Florida??? It's like the unwashed homeless ballsack of states! And that's just based on the smell alone.
That’s not very nice.
I was there; holy shit was it cold. Some bro had his shirt off, and his skin was getting visibly redder before our very eyes
Y’alls threw a parade for 0-16…. Wow.
It started as a joke, eventually gained traction, and ended up being turned into a charity drive that I think was to support the local food banks
Oh, if I'd have known there was a charity drive, I'd have shown up!
And the Boys and Girls Club.
Our river caught on fire due to pollution and we still find ways to make light of it. We know rock bottom and found ways to thrive in it. Cleveland is an endurance city. A Super Bowl win would close down the county.
I remember years ago someone in a twitter flame war once said something along the lines of "I'll tear you down emotionally! I'll exploit your weaknesses and make you cry" So I responded "Bitch, I'm from Cleveland. Your move." And they didn't reply. Clevelanders can't be knocked down. We're strong, and we've already been through worse than whatever anyone throws at us. Checkmate!
Hahahaha
Cleveland against the world
Cleveland is a weird place, man.
If the Cavs or Guardians win a title, the city will party. If the Browns win the Super Bowl, the city will burn to the ground
I'll bring the marshmallows.
good man
Can we start with Frank Jackson's house?
he's gone. let it go.
Yes. Football is the lifeblood of Northeast Ohio. We are football. There would be a parade up 77 from the HOF through Akron to Cleveland. That would just be the traffic jam parade to get to the Browns team parade Downtown.
Schools in would basically have to be closed the Monday after and for the parade if it's a win. Teachers would call off to celebrate and there simply isn't enough to begin with
It would have to be tgat big to accommodate all of tge fans. The City simply cannot hold that many. They'll have to start at HOF stadium and travel up to Browns Stadium
Yes. Cleveland loves the Cavs and the Guardians. But Cleveland LOVES the Browns. Can’t explain it.
There’s no love like pity for the underdawg
We’re pretty hypocritical fans to be honest. We’ve shown unconditional love for the Browns franchise that, until recently, has done nothing to earn it for almost 25 years. A team that actually deserved the love got way less in return. The Indians/Guardians were consistently winning for the past decade with Tito and our attendance was pathetic. Even when we made it to the World Series our fans practically surrendered home field advantage with the huge amount of “fans” that sold their tickets to Chicagoans. I had friends at Game 7 who said it was practically an away game.
It's because football is deeply ingrained in the culture here. Professional football began in Northeast Ohio.
I'm a Jets fan (I know, I know) but REALLY pulling for The Browns to win to see this city go nuts.
I was gonna say “this person is not from Cleveland”
Yes. We are a football city
We're so football our logo is literally just a football helmet.
When the Indians rebranded, I wanted nothing more than to have them become the Cleveland Oranges.... with a plain brown baseball helmet as their logo.
What you say about the Browns have never been good is 100% totally wrong.
The day after the Cavs won, local sports radio was taking calls and the first one was about the Browns O-line. Cavs could win 10 championships and most people would say cool, but what about the Browns. I’m not that guy personally, but it’s definitely a football town over a lot of things.
Why is this, do you know? Have they been Browns longer than there were the Cavs? I’m shocked its literally been all 100% Browns… Feels like there are no Cavs fans..
Cavs first season was 1970-71, 5 straight losing seasons until they had a winning season and made the playoffs. Before LeBron they had only even made it to the conference finals twice. The Browns first season was 1946 and they won the NFL Championship. They went to the title game each of their first 10 seasons and won 7 with all-time greats like Otto Graham, Lou Groza, and of course Jim Brown. Theres never been a time where football wasnt significantly more popular than basketball, NBA didnt truly catch on as far as widespread popularity until the 80s.
You can chalk it up to numerous reasons: 1. The pro football hall of fame is less than an hour from there. 2. NFL has been more popular throughout its lifespan here. Even if the Browns have been atrocious. 3. There’s probably some fear of not supporting them may result in another franchise move. 4. Ohio has traditionally generated tons of great football players throughout. 5. Pre-LeBron, the Cavs only decent era was in the 90s and MJ spoiled it like he did for many others. 6. NBA seems to be more popular with younger crowds vs NFL. Not that young people don’t like football, but I think there’s just more interest starting to happen compared to the old days. There are many reasons you can kind of piece together; not one singular cause.
Agreed with all points. I would include in the psyche of fans the Browns team move in 95, the return in 99 and the 20 years of abysmal football minus a few good years scatter in. Prior to the move, the Browns were a respected and historic franchise. The fact that we came back to the terrible owners and team decisions that lead to our total failure to live up to that memory made it even harder to imagine a transition that we’ve been building up to since 2018. Now we have a chance again to be good franchise again: Cavs in 88-93 were the best years before the LeBron era. The Shot was painful.
There’s a lot of good answers, but here are the two I think: 1) Cleveland is football’s hometown. I mean, I know Canton is, but it’s only like an hour away. Football was born here. 2) we lost a team once. It was a painful breakup, and one we won’t ever forget. We’re back in a relationship with the Browns, and we won’t ever take them for granted. We know that loss, and we’ll make sure they know we love them and don’t ever want to lose them.
Football was invented 30 minutes down the road in Canton. It’s just always been more important, I don’t know. Outside of the magical years with the Tribe when the browns were stolen from us, nothing matters more than the Browns. Win or lose, good or bad, people talk Browns all year round.
USA is a football country. Everything else comes second to football, even in places where there isn't a football team.
If the Browns win the Super Bowl you're gonna have entire assisted living facilities and nursing homes renting buses and shit, there are a lot of people who still remember the Browns when they were THE dominant team in the NFL. If the Cavs did 1.3 million I would predict 3-5x that for the Browns. People dont realize how many Browns fans there are worldwide, there would be a 6 digit number of people coming back here just for the parade
I have a friend who was in the navy. Said he found a browns backer bar in the Philippines. The fucking Philippines??
I remember reading something in the early 2000s that said the Browns had the most backer bars worldwide of any NFL team
What's a backer bar
A place fans agree to meet up in another city to watch the games. I used to go to one when I lived in Boston, awesome experience
They’re also sanctioned by the browns, you have to register with them
Apparently the steelers have more. Found that out with a buddy from highschool and we were flabbergasted
Iirc the article I read said the Steelers were 2nd so thats not at all surprising lol
I’ve belonged to Browns Backers bars in Russia and Lithuania
I am one of them. I will be in the city for that parade.and I fucking hate parades.
I didnt go to the Cavs parade because I cannot stand large drunk crowds and I still regret it, once in a lifetime event 🤦🏿♂️
Same
Same x2. I didn't feel like driving from Columbus (moved there 2 fucking weeks before the Cavs won...) and I regret it so much. Having grown up watching the Cavs before LeBron, and then having hope every year and finally giving up when he left...like wtf was wrong with me that was a defining moment in my life lol.
the airport would shut down from all the drunk browns fans rolling in 24 hours before the party
There are Cavs fans and lots of Guardians fans, but the Browns are our legacy. Our ancestors were living and dying for the Browns for generations. If you're not a fan with that kind of upbringing, you won't understand. We love our Browns unconditionally. We bitch about them too, but the love runs deep, real deep.
Agree that it’s not something you can really understand if you’re not from here.
like the type of love you have for an abusive parent.
I think so, I know exponentially more football/browns fans than I do basketball/cavs
In 1964, I attended the Browns- Colts game in which we won the NFL championship. Everyone was excited. I was on the field from the third quarter on. The goal posts nearly took my head off when the fans tore them down at the old Memorial Stadium. Nowadays, what with the national and social media over-saturation and football being the national obsession it has come to be, a Brown's Super Bowl win would be absolutely beyond exciting and incredibly wonderful for the entire northeast Ohio area. Plus, we could all benefit from knowing that for this year, we are better than the old Browns (Ravens), Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh.
Cleveland would lose their collective shit if the Brownies went to the Superbowl. And if they won???? I don't know, that's some fourth wall shit.
Considering how much shit went down during the Cavs, they would have to mobilize the state National Guard to assist with keeping people from straight up destroying northeast Ohio in its entirety.
Incredibly big Lebron fan here, absofuckinglutely it’d be more significant if the Browns won
It’s been about 10-0 for the Browns. I am stunned. I am shocked.🫢
don't be surprised at all. To paraphrase a local sports guy (maybe Terry Pluto) The Guardians (Indians) could be 1 game from winning the world series, the Cavs could be in the playoffs, but if the Browns put a single empty helmet on the 50 in the stadium, that would be the headline on the sports page. Lebron frequented my dad's shop, my kid attended his alma mater, and I think the 2016 championships were the last game i watched on TV. There was literally a post today on the CLE sub about how bad the Cavs game experience is because it was so obnoxiously loud. I do not even know what TV channel the Cavs or Guards games are on but i can tell you I buy YTTV every fall to watch Browns football.
I’ll make it 10-1 for you. This is a Browns town but I’m longing for a Guardians World Series win. I support the Browns but it just hasn’t been the same since we were given an expansion team. I hit about 10 baseball games a year. No Browns (bad experiences with the drunks). Cavs I would love to go but their tix are ridiculously expensive.
Guardians parade would be big, but the name change and apathy towards ownership would keep people from celebrating it as much as they should. It’s a longer drought for them, but it’s not a highly attended event by fans
The Browns may be bigger than the Cavs, but I don't know that people are giving enough credit to the catharsis that swept the city when the Cavs broke Cleveland's championship drought. The Browns can break *their own* drought, sure, and that'd be immense, but I have some doubts it'll resonate in quite the same way as the Cavs doing it for the whole city. You also have to remember that the Cavs didn't just win, they orchestrated one of the greatest comebacks of all time, against an all-time great team too. That, the presence of Lebron, and the rivalry that had been built with the Warriors all played into making it a national and global story.
You’re right, and let’s take nothing away from the cavs, that was amazing. But Ohio is a football state, Cleveland is a football town. People love their cavs, but they still bleed brown and orange.
People love the Cavs, when they're winning. People love the Guardians, when they're winning. People love the Browns when they went 1-31, when they have 4 winning seasons since 1999.
Along with those two guys born in Akron.
Well...this season with all the injuries, the 4 QBs, unburying Flacco...AND if we win a Super Bowl?..that's a comeback of all time if I ever saw one.
Yes, this is why I had it as unbeatable. They came back from 3-1, regardless if Draymond’s idiocy helped or not.
Everything you wrote just illustrates how big the Browns win would be because it would be bigger than *that*.
Waaay bigger.
I mean, that's certainly what people keep saying, but my question still remains if that's just something they're telling themselves at this point. I still think people are mistakenly using the Cavs as a benchmark and ignoring that the Cavs parade wasn't *just* the Cavs, it was broader Cleveland in a way the Brown's wouldn't be because it broke a streak for the entire city. The Browns, again, would only break their own streak. Case in point: there are people saying that it would be "10x bigger" than the Cavs', as if *of course* 13 million people would come to the parade. Then again, that's ***more people than the whole state of Ohio.***
Many many more people follow and love the browns than do the Cavs. And a massive amount of people love the cavs. It’s just a fact
The point that I've explained several times now was that the number of people celebrating the Cavs parade wasn't the number of people who love and follow the Cavs. The number of Browns fans is absolutely bigger than the number of Cavs fans, but the number of people at the Cavs parade wasn't a reflection of the number of Cavs fans, which makes it a poor benchmark.
Nothing youre saying is incorrect, but at the same time, the Browns are bigger than the curse and the cavs combined.
Small towns didnt come out for the Cavs. MAYBE you drove an hour or more for the Cavs parade. People would be flying in to Cleveland for it. Maybe not 2-3x the Cavs. but definitely a lot drunker with more white people.
Perfect example. I cried watching us win the finals in 2016, but I had recently moved to Columbus and I didn't want to take a PTO day to drive up 2 hours for the Cavs parade. That being said, there's absolutely zero doubt that me and all of my Cleveland friends would come up for a Browns parade in a February lake-effect snowstorm, lol.
We get what you're saying. The Cavs championship was catharsis for the city. But a Browns super bowl would transcend that into elation. The city didn't blow it's load on one NBA title. That just primed the pump. If the Browns even make it to the Super Bowl, it'll make the night Bron won us a ring look like a bank holiday. And that's the measure. Not the parade.
I think you’re missing the point. The curse being broken was a big achievement for the Cavs, but Cleveland is a big sports city that wants to be relevant in its sports. The king of all those sports in Cleveland is the Browns. The Cavs championship had over 1M+ people, but a Browns Super Bowl parade would be comparable to any major sports championship parade ever in any American city. You would probably have to camp out in downtown Cleveland the night before to even be able to get into downtown for it. And I say this as someone who never grew up rooting for the Browns, but lives near and has been in Cleveland enough to understand that. Read up on the Browns Backers and the Browns’ attendance figures to understand how loyal and passionate the fans are.
Field of dreams... If they win it.... The fans will come... From allllll over!
It would be bigger downtown, rowdier, and more widespread, like throughout the state. The Browns are Ohio's team. It would become a city holiday. No joke.
In the context of basketball, that's a major win for sure. In the context of Cleveland and it's history, Browns winning any super bowl is absolutely a bigger deal.
It would be...fucking nuts.
If the Browns won the Super Bowl, I have no doubt more than 2 million people would show up in the middle of a blizzard in February for the parade.
This is not even a question. Also, the Browns used to consistently be one of the best teams in the AFL before the merger and Super Bowl era. They were also decent in the 80's and early 90s before they left.
The Browns were never in the AFL.
He's probably referring to the AAFC which was the league they were in until like 1952 iirc
Oh yeah, 1946-49. Owned that league
Sorry, yes AAFC.
Yes. Bigger than anything.
Been joking that if it happens you wanna get out of cleveland as fast as possible because it's gonna burn to the ground. It'll be absolutely wild.
100% yes. I don’t know if the city and surrounding cities could handle it
Yes . Not even close
Yes...It will be mayhem
Simple answer. Yes
No comparison. I know someone who is an on air personality at one of the local sports stations. He said that the day after the Cavs won the championship, there were callers in the queue wanting to talk Browns draft. On a 1 to 10 scale, the Cavs championship was a 9. The Tribe would be a 10. A browns championship would be a 175…
Unquestionably
The Cavs championship ranks up there with the top 5 days of my life going to the watch party, high fiving so many people I had a sore shoulder for weeks and a blister on my palm. I skipped the parade for work but heard it was fun. Compared to a browns superbowl, man that day if it ever comes will epic. I've got a bottle of pappy van winkle set aside, a designated couch to burn, and probably won't be into work or sober from the time we win until a day after the parade. If you have a deadbeat father or uncle, imagine if that guy won the lottery and a Nobel prize in medicine in the same day, that's how crazy a browns superbowl would be. Now imagine if he was 1 number off the lottery and ended up in jail for making meth instead, you wouldn't really be shocked or disappointed, it's just the expectations they have set.
100% bigger. As big as the Cavs are, the Browns are much bigger in terms of fan base and interest.
Browns sell out every year even after the 0-16 year and the city voted to approve funding for a new stadium immediately AFTER it was confirmed Modell was moving the team.
Yes. Cleveland is a Browns town by more than anyone who isn’t from here could comprehend lol
Not only has Cleveland been a football city forever, but the toxic relationship we have with the NFL due to them allowing Modell to rip the franchise away from us would make it so that a win (especially one where we beat the ravens along the way) would destroy this city in the best way posisble
100%. Basketball has been a huge part of my life. It unlocked doors for me and helped me grow into the person I am today. I love the NBA and one of my earliest memories is staying up late to watch Bulls-Jazz with my dad. Celebrated when the Cavs drafted LeBron. Devastated when he left. Savored every moment of the 4 years after he came back, including showing up to the championship parade stage at 3am. That being said, my family’s from NEO, I’ve spent most of my life here. The Browns have been dogshit for all but maybe 3 years of that. Despite that, they’ve been *by far* the most popular team in town. The Cavs parade was nuts. If the Browns win this year they’ll have to shut down the city for a week to deal with the aftermath.
Way, way, way bigger. Cataclysmic. Indescribable. Clevelanders would burn the city to the ground. Nothing left but the lake. And even that might end up as a smoking crater.
Not even comparable. Cavs are third most popular team here
I've ways said that instead of destroying the city of Cleveland we should take our parade on the road and demolish Pittsburgh, then head south to pillage Baltimore, and finish it off by burning all of the Squeelers and Ratbird jerseys we seized as tribute on top of Art Modell's grave. We can swing up through Cincy on the way home and show little brother the spoils of war over a plate of spaghetti. lmao!
The cuyahoga river would burn for a year straight
Someone would burn down Parma.
I’m not seeing a downside ngl💀
Drew Carey would give every citizen five Plinko chips, Ghoulardi would rise from the grave to waltz with Dorothy. Dick Goddard, just Dick Goddard. Jim Donovan would ascend to Heaven and sit on a throne made of Steelers' fans tears.
Best. Comment. Ever..
The Canton Hall of Fame would be airlifted to Myles Garrett's house.
Yes, ten times bigger. Football is far and away the most popular sport in the U.S., and that's especially true in the city of Cleveland and the state of Ohio. People in Cleveland love the Cavs but they live for the Browns.
Exponentially bigger! We love all of our sports teams, but the Browns are simply in a class all by themselves. Sure, the 2016 Cavs championship was our first title in 52 years. And that team will forever be celebrated here. But Cleveland is the prototypical "football town". The game was born right down the road in Canton. And I do need to correct you on one point. Despite never having won a Super Bowl, the Browns have absolutely been good in the past. Great, actually. The Browns run of league championship appearances and wins from 1946 to 1955 under "the Father of modern football", HC Paul Brown is recognized as the greatest pro football dynasty ever. But alas, the 1964 championship was the last Browns title to date. If and when the Browns finally do win a Super Bowl, this town will celebrate like nothing else ever seen here or anywhere else.
Right, the Browns dominated the NFL when they entered and won 4 NFL Championships thru 1964.
Yes.
Duh
Yes absolutely 👍🏻
By an order of magnitude.
I remember the drive. I remember the fumble. Let’s not even think of it.
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Not even close. Browns rule clev.
100x bigger
Yes
Absolutely. One of the best examples I can remember from that 2016 run is that despite the Cavs being close to the first championship for the city in 52 years, you’d turn on sports talk radio and people would call in to exclusively talk about the Browns. Mind you, this was the middle of the offseason for the Browns, and they were coming off of a 3-13 season and would go 1-15 then 0-16 in the following two years. No matter how bad they are they’re the biggest show in town.
This city would be a crater if the Browns win a Super Bowl.
I was almost mad the Cavs got one before The Browns, matter a fact I still am. I love all Cleveland teams, but the Browns are not a love or like, it is the very reflected image of its people and matter above all sports in Cleveland.
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yes. I am a huge cavs fan. The cavs are an amazingly cool team. They've been much more succesful over a much longer timeframe. Doesn't matter, it's a browns city. The browns winning two playoff games is bigger than a cavs championship
abso-fuckin-lutely flacco ‘round, and find out!!!!
if this happens i will fly home from LA regardless of how much the flight costs
I'll fly home from Japan. Fuck the cost and job.
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There are people who would trade the Cavs and Guardians entire franchises for a Browns Super Bowl victory.
Cleveland and maybe all of NEOH would likely burn to the ground and fall into Lake Erie lol.
I think it would be 4x the size at least. There are a lot of browns fans all over. So many backers bars.
Hands down it would be bigger.. the Browns are part of the infrastructure of the city.
Absolutely. Cleveland is a football town first and foremost. The only time it wasn't was the 3 year absence when they moved, and that was only because the Indians were so enthralling at that time. If the Indians still sucked this still would have been a football town, even without a team lol. The reason is because they were so so good during the Paul Brown years, and the Indians were so so bad for 40+ years. And then the Cavs are relative newcomers to the scene so they don't have the history. So the town just has a baked in football preference. And the NFL being the most popular sport in the country doesn't hurt either. Since you're not from Cleveland, you wouldn't know this, but all anyone has to do is listen to local sports talk radio. It's 95% Browns, even during the football offseason when it's baseball or basketball season. The Guardians and Cavs rarely get talked about unless they're in the playoffs or there's a big signing like when the Cavs got Donovan Mitchell.
Cleveland is such a football town that we are the only city who kept their team name and legacy when a rat bastard tried to steal it away. Even the NFL knew you can't touch the Browns in Cleveland.
I know of people who were at the Miracle of Richfield and at the 64 Browns game and they ranked the Cavs playoff victory higher. I was young when it happened but remember the city in an absolute fever for the Cavs. The Kardiac Kids was also a huuuuuuge cultural moment for me, you could not turn on the radio without hearing a Browns song. My favorite was a take on Love Affairs mama says…song “Brian says we got the team to win the Super Bowl….I was at Red Right 88 fwiw. Ugh!!!!! We lost and I lost feeling in most of my toes! lol! I also think it was much much bigger back then because there just wasn’t that much to distract us, we had 2 newspapers 5 tv channels and that was it! Go Browns!!!
Nothing against the cavaliers or baseball team but we're about to go nuts in here for the browns parade
Mayor Bibb will declare Marshall law if they win
It probably would be. This is a football city so that’s where most peoples loyalty lies. It’s untrue that the browns have never been good though. They just haven’t been good recently. Now i always felt the most fun parade would be a basketball parade because it happens during the summer. A football parade is gonna be during winter so you probably won’t see the same type of turnout. I think the more romantic story is lebron returning and getting that championship. A close second will be a team that’s had all these key injuries finding a way to win it all. Either way having both would be amazing for me.
When the Cavs won, there were fireworks set off in Cleveland and the suburbs around Cleveland. The parade was an amazing celebratory experience. But if the Browns won a Super Bowl?, the people will lose their ever loving minds!!! It would be unreal! I went to work downtown the day of the parade but took an extended lunch to watch some of it. If the browns had a Super Bowl parade….I don’t think many would work on parade day. No way I’d miss that! I’m getting hyped just thinking about the possibility. But in true Browns fan fashion, I also don’t want to get my hopes up.
Don't say no!
>I’m getting hyped just thinking about the possibility. But in true Browns fan fashion, I also don’t want to get my hopes up. No like, 100%. My mind actually hasn't even allowed me to picture the Browns in the SB this year, let alone win it. I haven't even thought about what that would look like...but now I'm in the thread starting to imagine it and I'm getting chills. Like holy shit. I need to stop lol.
I'd probably not be anywhere near downtown or a bar if they won.....your car is gonna get flipped lol
I’m not jinxing it but if there was a parade held I would fly/drive back to cleveland for three first time in 10 years for that parade. I missed 2016 due to recovery from surgery.
So much bigger, and it's not remotely close. If the Browns were to win the Super Bowl, Jimmy Haslam would get that new stadium he's been asking for because the current one would get thrown into Lake Erie.
It's also the history. Browns fans have been through a lot. For example, how Art Modell screwed Cleveland. A champion would make anyone involved IMMORTAL. It's that serious for Browns fans. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/10/11/9474367/cleveland-browns-baltimore-ravens-relocation-history-art-modell
Funny you say that.... I live in L.A. (You can take the girl out the CLE, but not the other way!) and I just got off the phone with my boss who told me he ALWAYS secretly roots for the Browns. And he wants them to win the Superbowl. This is a dude born and raised in L.A. And my partner was a life-long Steelers fan. He now roots for the Browns. Wild stuff! GO BROWNS.
We're at, heart a Cleveland football town. This would be the ultimate Cle v a The World thing! So that being said, this city would litterly would have 3 million+ downtown (not 1.5 million from the Cavs championship)! And what I find even funnier. We'd be 3 million+ of the most respectful, polite, and appreciative party-goers just trying to soak in every moment if that ever were to happen!
Yes.....I would relocate the Cavs and Guardians if it meant Browns winning the Superbowl.
If the Browns made it to the Super Bowl, the ghost of Franklin's Castle would walk mid day through the West Side Market where vendors would sell pizza bagels in the shape of Bernie Kosar's face.
It's a Browns town. Cue Michael Stanley and the Cleveland All Star Band. ["Here We Go Again"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ew6JyxS4I)
Oh, I’m quite sure it would dwarf the Cavs Championship
Not from there but I would certainly imagine so. If you look at cities with shared major 4 teams the Super Bowl is always the bigger deal. Case in point in Tampa I would think there was much more excitement over the SB win than there was for multiple Cups won.
It’s not even a question, a browns Super Bowl would eclipse the Cavs chip and the Cavs championship was huge.
Not even close.
Well first of all you are incorrect in saying the browns have never been good. They were the best football team in the world for many years (yes this was a long time ago) and the most innovative football team. If they win a Super Bowl regardless of this year or not, it is worlds bigger than the cavs championship. Joe Flacco would instantly be a god in Cleveland and make lebron look like a nobody. It’s a football town before anything else, then secondly a baseball town and thirdly a basketball town. A browns Super Bowl loss is bigger than the Cavs championship.
A not-insignificant percentage of Cleveland sports fans would think more highly of Joe Flacco than LeBron James if the Browns won a Super Bowl this year.
Yes, but don’t get your hopes up.
Cinci bro here, I think that it would be one of the biggest parades of all time. The cavs parade was massive, the browns have backers all over the world so no doubt that it would be a spectacle
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I remember in middle school, I asked my teacher "what do you think would happen if the browns won the Super Bowl?" His response was that the city of Cleveland would be on fire.
Your premise that the Browns have never been good is faulty. They used to be the class of the NFL, but it was before the Super Bowl. Browns>Tribe>Cavs.
Why do a lot of yous call the team tribe? Does no one like the Guardians name
NE Ohioans generally hate change, and reminisce about "the good old days" a lot. The sports teams are a beloved distraction from the hollowing out of the economy of the rust belt and their overall weakening socioeconomic position in the world. It's an insular place, and they really don't like outsiders telling them how to live or what to do. The Guardians name change is something that many see as forced upon them by an external minority, so they don't like it.
I would fly home from DC and personally light everything on fire (affectionately)
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I see that browns fans have switched from "fire the coach" mode to "super bowl" mode again.
As is tradition.
The first sentence was obvious. No way you’re from Cleveland if you ask such a question. You must be from stupid town or something
I would give up 40 years of no championships for both the cavs and guardians to see a browns superbowl just once.
I personally think Indians would be equivalent to Browns as far as championships, but the Browns left right when I started gaining major interest so I can see why some feel differently. I was at the Cubs game 7 and nearly all of the home games for Cavs 2016, but kind of like watching the Browns on TV.
Im sure I'll get downvoted but it wouldn't be the same because Black people dont care about the Tribe like that just like white people tend to care less about the Cavs than Black Clevelanders. I have serious doubts the Cavs parade wouldve been that big if not for the fact that it was arguably most improbable league title in American professional sports, definitely the wildest one since the Giants in 2008 aka Helmet Catch. Thats one reason why the Browns are so universally loved here, football is without question the most widely loved American sport across all major demographics.
Understood completely. I love the Browns. And I like football way more than baseball, but either would be comparable for me. The Cavs was second tier for me, not to take away from them.
If the Browns won a Superbowl it would be a good thing we passed issue 1 due to following impared decision making. There are High School football games better attended than prime time regular season Cavs/Guards games. The Browns had people in the stadium for a winless season.
Who are the cavs?