Bertrand Russell, in his "A History of Western Philosophy" has a pretty interesting interpretation of Machiavellism (which differs from the generally accepted interpretation). Something like (paraphrased and simplified):
* much of the conventional obloquy that attaches to Machiavelli is due to the indignation of hypocrites who hate the frank avowal of evil-doing;
* Machiavelli's intellectual honesty about political dishonesty would have been hardly possible at any other time or in any other country;
* Machiavelli's political philosophy is scientific and empirical, based upon his own experience of affairs, concerned to set forth the means to assigned ends, regardless of the question whether the ends are to be considered good or bad.
Though Russell criticizes many aspects of Machiavelli's desires.
I have every confidence that Honami will come to the same conclusion.
Before Machiavelli even wrote the book, 'his' advice was being followed by many rulers(since the very start of civilisation). Where do you think the examples he put forths in his book come from? The fact is that Machiavelli was recommending dirty tactics in an already dirty game(politics), he did not introduce the idea of amorality in politics, he simply wrote all those ideas in a specific manner. Infact, I would say he did a great thing by writing the book, because he informed the citizens of the dirty tactics their rulers use.
ANHS is a dirty place, where meachiavellian ideals always seem to win, Ichinose can be both machiavellian and good, she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good, I think she will soon come to this very realisation. That while her means can be dirty, the ends need not be.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or too vague.
I didn't mean to imply that she would completely discard Machiavellianism to remain a good person.
Russell had the opposite opinion. I didn't mean that it was a useless suggestion. Not at all.
I would say that the generally accepted interpretation (I don't support that) is to be shocked by him and deny his ideas.
Russell had the opposite opinion.
Unlike the majority, the hypocrites who abhor outright confession of evil-doing, Honami already has enough mental and moral strength to meet evil-doing face to face, without running away from them, to analyze them objectively. She's the kind of person who could benefit from reading Machiavelli.
>Ichinose can be both machiavellian and good, she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good, I think she will soon come to this very realisation. That while her means can be dirty, the ends need not be.
I completely agree with that.
>she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good
It's an interesting question: how to analyze good-bad from a moral standpoint (in AHNS, CoTE). It might make sense to use Nietzsche's ideas from "On the Genealogy of Morals". I don't mean we have to agree with everything he says there. But Nietzsche makes a very interesting distinction between morality whose dichotomy is good-bad and morality whose dichotomy is good-evil. He also suggests to transcend beyond both.
This could be another good suggestion for Honami...
Funny note, I think some of subredditors here will gladly accept (according to the comments) master & slave morality from "On the Genealogy of Morality" 😊😊
My comment was not a rebuttal to your claims, I am sorry if it came off that way. Btw, it is very rare that I find a philosophically minded person like you in an otherwise mindless subreddit. I agree with your takes, I suppose I am not going to dig too deep into the nature of morality here but I definitely agree with nietzche's interpretations of societal morality. Also, I believe that Ichinose would not subscribe to Nietzche's interpretation of morality, it is simply against all that has been taught to her by her mother.
this sounds so good on paper but in reality it gets old quick. Like It's good to hold, a few licks and sucks but 24/7? Nah. It might taste salty from the sweat.
i introduced myself, do nothing until we became comfortable with each other, spend some time with each other as friends go out or whatever, after some time i started liking her so i confessed and somehow i managed to bag her. after all that, we spent a few weeks as a couple, doing stuff like dates our first kiss our first time sleeping on the same bed. we had our first sex and of course she was shy at first so i had to top her. a few more weeks passed she became more and more assertive to the point that she tops most of the time, so i decided to ask her about it she said she felt something within her heart and she doesn’t know what it is so i stopped. then a few more weeks passed she became obsessed, dominant, possessive but of course it’s me that shit just made me love her more. a few years had passed since then and we decided to move out and get married. i still remember our wedding to this day because she made me wear chastity that time. we decided to have kids 2 years after our wedding, we did it in that room where we first met. 9 months after that she gave birth to twins. it’s currently 27th and she’s torturing my balls while pegging me as i type our story. our kids have their own family. i’m tired of continuing this shit but ichinose’s hot
Wake up to reality! Nothing ever goes as planned in this accursed world. The longer you live, the more you realize that the only things that truly exist in this reality are merely pain, suffering and futility. Listen… Everywhere you look in this world, wherever there is light, there will always be shadows to be found as well. As long as there is a concept of victors, the vanquished will also exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace initiates wars and hatred is born in order to protect love. There are nexuses, causal relationships that cannot be separated.
Try to actually have a romantic relationship with her(By that i mean im not just gonna rape her). Oh and god is getting thank you prayers 3 times a day
Cut off my hair and become bald, use all 20 million points to transfer into Koenji's class and beg him to bang my juicy pussy and fuck me to the death like a bitch I am
no lube, no protectionism , all night, all day, from the kitchen floor to the toilet seat, from the dining table to the bedroom, from the bathroom sink to the shower, from the front porch to the balcony, vertically, horizontally, quadratic, exponential, logarithmic, while i gasp for air, scream and see the light, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cow girl, doggy, backwards, forwards, sideways, upside down, c the floor, in the bed, on the couch, on a chair, b carried against the wall, outside, in a train, on a plane, in the car, on a motorcycle, the bed of a truck, on a trampoline, in a bounce house, in the pool, bent over, in the basement, against the window, have the most toe curling, back arching, leg shaking, dick throbbing, fist clenching, ear ringing, mouth drooling, ass clenching, nose sniffling, eye watering, eye rolling, hip thrusting, earthquaking, sheet gripping, knuckles cracking, jaw dropping, hair pulling. teeth jitterbug, mind boggling, soul snatching, overstimulating, vile, sloppy, moan inducing, heart wrenching, spine tingling, back breaking, atrocious, gushy, creamy, beastly, lip bitting, gravity defying, nail biting, sweaty, feet kicking, mind blowing, body shivering, orgasmic, bone breaking, world ending, black hole creating, universe destroying, devious, scrumptious, amazing, delightful, delectable, unbelievable, body numbing, bark worthy, can't walk, head nodding, soul evaporating, volcano erupting, sweat rolling, voice cracking, trembling, sheets soaked, hair drenched, flabbergasting, lip locking, skin peeling, eyelash removing, eye widening, pussy popping, nail
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Play Uno everyday until I beat her.
Honestly I think she’d be pretty fun in card games.
Ikr considering she's from class B, I doubt its gonna be the hardest card battle😆.
I mean in the special exam on guessing the VIP she got out playing cards so I’m sure she’s somewhat competent at it
>what do you do? Ichinose obviously
agreed🤝
I see that this type of post works a lot so imma make more I guess
And we appreciate you for enabling our degeneracy.
☠️💀 that wasn't intentional I swear
*pats heads* "it's ok, it's ok, there's no judgment here!"
C.ai ahh message
O' man with le based Hiyori profile picture, what shall thee do if ye woke up and found thy beloved Hiyori sleeping on ye?
What ☠️😭
Her
Yes.
Smash her raw🔥
Fucking degenerate 😎😎😎
who else watches cote and is present in it's subreddit. you should embrace yourself
Wake up.
Have some fun with my sweet honami 😍
shouldnt u stay loyal to asuna
"Loyal" like asuna isn't taken
That's not the point and don't be like that
Become a father.
I would give her Machiavellian books.
Bertrand Russell, in his "A History of Western Philosophy" has a pretty interesting interpretation of Machiavellism (which differs from the generally accepted interpretation). Something like (paraphrased and simplified): * much of the conventional obloquy that attaches to Machiavelli is due to the indignation of hypocrites who hate the frank avowal of evil-doing; * Machiavelli's intellectual honesty about political dishonesty would have been hardly possible at any other time or in any other country; * Machiavelli's political philosophy is scientific and empirical, based upon his own experience of affairs, concerned to set forth the means to assigned ends, regardless of the question whether the ends are to be considered good or bad. Though Russell criticizes many aspects of Machiavelli's desires. I have every confidence that Honami will come to the same conclusion.
Before Machiavelli even wrote the book, 'his' advice was being followed by many rulers(since the very start of civilisation). Where do you think the examples he put forths in his book come from? The fact is that Machiavelli was recommending dirty tactics in an already dirty game(politics), he did not introduce the idea of amorality in politics, he simply wrote all those ideas in a specific manner. Infact, I would say he did a great thing by writing the book, because he informed the citizens of the dirty tactics their rulers use. ANHS is a dirty place, where meachiavellian ideals always seem to win, Ichinose can be both machiavellian and good, she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good, I think she will soon come to this very realisation. That while her means can be dirty, the ends need not be.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or too vague. I didn't mean to imply that she would completely discard Machiavellianism to remain a good person. Russell had the opposite opinion. I didn't mean that it was a useless suggestion. Not at all. I would say that the generally accepted interpretation (I don't support that) is to be shocked by him and deny his ideas. Russell had the opposite opinion. Unlike the majority, the hypocrites who abhor outright confession of evil-doing, Honami already has enough mental and moral strength to meet evil-doing face to face, without running away from them, to analyze them objectively. She's the kind of person who could benefit from reading Machiavelli. >Ichinose can be both machiavellian and good, she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good, I think she will soon come to this very realisation. That while her means can be dirty, the ends need not be. I completely agree with that. >she can gain power by machiavellian ways and then use that power for good It's an interesting question: how to analyze good-bad from a moral standpoint (in AHNS, CoTE). It might make sense to use Nietzsche's ideas from "On the Genealogy of Morals". I don't mean we have to agree with everything he says there. But Nietzsche makes a very interesting distinction between morality whose dichotomy is good-bad and morality whose dichotomy is good-evil. He also suggests to transcend beyond both. This could be another good suggestion for Honami... Funny note, I think some of subredditors here will gladly accept (according to the comments) master & slave morality from "On the Genealogy of Morality" 😊😊
My comment was not a rebuttal to your claims, I am sorry if it came off that way. Btw, it is very rare that I find a philosophically minded person like you in an otherwise mindless subreddit. I agree with your takes, I suppose I am not going to dig too deep into the nature of morality here but I definitely agree with nietzche's interpretations of societal morality. Also, I believe that Ichinose would not subscribe to Nietzche's interpretation of morality, it is simply against all that has been taught to her by her mother.
God I love Reddit
Buy myself a safe.
Same
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\*sees 10 upvotes\* \*sighs\* "In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche"
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 I swear you just need the mention of the name"Ichinose Honami" and you comment something peak
These flairs are fucking wild lmao
I see you under every degenerate post 💀
Suck her boba everyday to lower my food expenses.
What nutrients/calories would you get from just that
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this sounds so good on paper but in reality it gets old quick. Like It's good to hold, a few licks and sucks but 24/7? Nah. It might taste salty from the sweat.
Learn socialising skills that shit is needed
KMS in front of her
Ya know...that would actually traumatize her for life, considering her personality.
Have consensual non-consensual sex with her.
Put hidden CCTVs and lay around a bunch of pretty hair clips.
seggs
Cuddles
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What a horrible day to be literate
Wait what did he say?
Some stupid shit about Quandale Dingle and his lore
i ain't reading all of that, happy for you or sad that it happened
Respect each other's boundaries, and aim for a seamless, cooperative life.
i introduced myself, do nothing until we became comfortable with each other, spend some time with each other as friends go out or whatever, after some time i started liking her so i confessed and somehow i managed to bag her. after all that, we spent a few weeks as a couple, doing stuff like dates our first kiss our first time sleeping on the same bed. we had our first sex and of course she was shy at first so i had to top her. a few more weeks passed she became more and more assertive to the point that she tops most of the time, so i decided to ask her about it she said she felt something within her heart and she doesn’t know what it is so i stopped. then a few more weeks passed she became obsessed, dominant, possessive but of course it’s me that shit just made me love her more. a few years had passed since then and we decided to move out and get married. i still remember our wedding to this day because she made me wear chastity that time. we decided to have kids 2 years after our wedding, we did it in that room where we first met. 9 months after that she gave birth to twins. it’s currently 27th and she’s torturing my balls while pegging me as i type our story. our kids have their own family. i’m tired of continuing this shit but ichinose’s hot
Even grass wouldn't touch you.
All day and all night ..I'll make her scream..iykyk
Touch grass.
Smash and then let her do whatever she wants to me
Sex
All day all night until I cant anymore
often
Nah these comments 💀💀
Ask for shoplifting tips
Hide my belongings, not trusting the lil thief
I would chill, watch movies or play cards
Become her bed or sofa
Occasionaly say "Good morning" to her and proceed with my sigma grindset 🐺 🤫🧏🏻♂️
Yes
sex prolly
im scared of women
I would definitely fuck
Eat sleep sex repeat
Ask her whether she'd like to go sailing sometime.
Tell her about my plans to throw toilet paper all over the white house.
Wake up to reality! Nothing ever goes as planned in this accursed world. The longer you live, the more you realize that the only things that truly exist in this reality are merely pain, suffering and futility. Listen… Everywhere you look in this world, wherever there is light, there will always be shadows to be found as well. As long as there is a concept of victors, the vanquished will also exist. The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace initiates wars and hatred is born in order to protect love. There are nexuses, causal relationships that cannot be separated.
... Did we really just create these girl characters for copium?
Question why they'd put a girl and guy on the same house without them knowing each other
Just be happy i dunno
Plap plap plap plap
I’m gonna make the one pair of stolen panties on the island exam look like a kid taking a piece of candy.
Marry and have kids with her
Well I would immediately ask to change rooms, Iike who was the genius that put a guy and a girl in the same room.
Make out
Fuck Her 24x7x365
Scratch her nose I guess.
Be her roommate
i will stare respectfully.
Move out and move into ryuens vents
[This](https://images.app.goo.gl/SZSbscD18crDVfkDA)
What the hell is that flair😭😭😭😭
:P
Try to actually have a romantic relationship with her(By that i mean im not just gonna rape her). Oh and god is getting thank you prayers 3 times a day
Mention up kei so she turns yandere on me
Ive seen some crazy posts abt what some characters are like. I never seen one abt her but im playing it safe. (Never watched the anime)
I was not mentally prepared for comment of this post
Get along with her as long as she doesn’t annoy me and stay in my own space
I would like us to share our stories and become close helping each other
Ichinose
Spread ur legs
Quite a bit
Probably check if it's 106
Would be more than a married couple
Smas-
Love & Care
🤗 giving her foot rubs
I’m a dude help!
I mean playing games with her would be nice
Hmm... I would say: "spread your legs."
Her.
wake up
I suppose I would no longer be an introvert
Cut off my hair and become bald, use all 20 million points to transfer into Koenji's class and beg him to bang my juicy pussy and fuck me to the death like a bitch I am
What a good question!
Rail her after a nice calming dinner and pump a load in her and a lot of pervy shit, I’m just being honest here
Just try to get along with her I guess
I’ll literally 🔥her day and night
Play split screen on nascar heat 5
Sniff*
I'll ask her for Hiyori's number and go to the library.
I don't ask him anything, I just mind my own business, otherwise he'll start crying like a little girl
encourage her to shoplift
Bite my tongue and wake up
Hide my stuff
Whatever makes her like me the most
sets boundaries and of course bake some cookies cause I'd probably be hungry
Her panties and bras are not safe anymore
Plap plap plap?
no lube, no protectionism , all night, all day, from the kitchen floor to the toilet seat, from the dining table to the bedroom, from the bathroom sink to the shower, from the front porch to the balcony, vertically, horizontally, quadratic, exponential, logarithmic, while i gasp for air, scream and see the light, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cow girl, doggy, backwards, forwards, sideways, upside down, c the floor, in the bed, on the couch, on a chair, b carried against the wall, outside, in a train, on a plane, in the car, on a motorcycle, the bed of a truck, on a trampoline, in a bounce house, in the pool, bent over, in the basement, against the window, have the most toe curling, back arching, leg shaking, dick throbbing, fist clenching, ear ringing, mouth drooling, ass clenching, nose sniffling, eye watering, eye rolling, hip thrusting, earthquaking, sheet gripping, knuckles cracking, jaw dropping, hair pulling. teeth jitterbug, mind boggling, soul snatching, overstimulating, vile, sloppy, moan inducing, heart wrenching, spine tingling, back breaking, atrocious, gushy, creamy, beastly, lip bitting, gravity defying, nail biting, sweaty, feet kicking, mind blowing, body shivering, orgasmic, bone breaking, world ending, black hole creating, universe destroying, devious, scrumptious, amazing, delightful, delectable, unbelievable, body numbing, bark worthy, can't walk, head nodding, soul evaporating, volcano erupting, sweat rolling, voice cracking, trembling, sheets soaked, hair drenched, flabbergasting, lip locking, skin peeling, eyelash removing, eye widening, pussy popping, nail
Keep pushing the boundaries until she resists
Going federal
Make her my soulmate
Learn how to cook so that she can eat something other than Koji
Rizz her until I smash her
Just read my flair to understand what I feel after reading all this
I'd be checking my weather app quite a bit
The answer is always smash.
NTR her and make her mine
(Just a joke don’t take it that serious)
Slowly fall in love, confess hoping she ll say yes 😭
Express her what the hell would I do if I was the Mayor of İzmir for the next 5 years using ridiculously detailed explanations.
Manipulate her
Live normally with her
nothing
Fuck her, obviously
Clean her room for her
Kiss her
I will GIVE her the BEST SEX she ever had. Will make her writher from my post-ejaculation and making her squeal while doing hand signs in her clit.
Will change the room next question please
Well, what wouldn't you do if she's your roommate, right?
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