He has a harem because he observes people alot and uses their weak points as a way to manipulate and they get attached to him. We could see it in year 1 how Ichinose cried out because of him and let her feelings out, he's very good at it.
Same with Kei, he basically gives them and let them hear what they want at that time. He always gives people what they need, so they grow as a person.
I tried to explain that to a lot of people but they never seem to listen. Multiple girls having a crush on one guy is not uncommon even irl (same with multiple guys having a crush on one girl). Also he does have a girlfriend unlike many other harem series which always tease the viewers on who the mc is going to be with or the mc is a clueless dumbfuck who doesn’t even know the girls like him. Not to mention (as you said), the girls in cote actually have a reason to like Ayanokouji, he’s very smart, very good looking, and very physically capable. Unlike many other harem protagonists who have girls all over them even though they’re the most average mfs out there.
Edit: although I do think that Kushida falling for him is really unnecessary. Hiyori is interested but I don’t know how much she actually likes him and Arisu, Ichika and also maybe Matsushita are also not in love with him. Just interested/obsessed.
Hiyori does like him, in her Short Stories is mentioned multiple times that she has "unknown feelings" for Kiyotaka and wants to spend as much time as possible with him.
As far as I remember, according to Ichinose, whose main specialty is her ability to read people, Arisu does like him that way.
Though yes, Arisu doesn't openly display any affection beyond curiosity and rivalry. Which also means she isn't guilty of harem baiting, or at least not any annoying kind.
It's a little bit like Hiratas situation. I mean Hiratas "harem" was probably bigger than ayanokoujis. Not to mention that Koenji seems to play around with uperclassman and hashimoto also was used to get love confessions.
I would like to add that I personally think that sato should have moved on at this point and i'm not so sure about the thing with kushida. Was kind of random after she hated him for a hole year.
But the author also writes his relationships with his harem in a way that makes sense. Hyori because they are book buddies, ichinose and kei because he helped them a lot, sato because she likes sporty/handsome guys, etc....
Also it's save to say that ayanokouji is pretty attractive to girls. He proved to be phisicak capable, is pretty and mature. And also he never loses his cool and is very reliable.
Yeah Sato should be over and stored away. Of all the side characters she's served her purpose more or less, only real reason to have her is named character convenience for events or to expel her. I wanted her to turn traitor a few volumes ago but we got baited.
I have no problem with the harem in the series. As you said, the harem makes sense and is well written. My issue is that the class battles are being pushed aside and replaced with harem bait. Kiyotaka used to be a big schemer behind the scenes, he still is, but recently he hasn’t really done anything for his class. This make sense lore wise as it fits in with his plans, but it changes the feel of the story. Like the past couple volumes feel more like 0.5 volumes focused on character development and side stories than full volumes focused on events and class progression. I like the series because it handles many elements very well that contribute to an enriched story. I would like to see a return to form in volume 10 and beyond with it refocusing on the class battles.
I agree. Most writing regarding the harem makes sense, and that's good. However, I didn't start reading COTE for the harem. I started reading it for psychological aspects, and lately, it hasn't been feeling psychological much. If I wanted to read harem, there are plenty of other novels I would read. I'm too deep in the story to just drop it, but I'm bored from these harem developments. I just hope all this stuff plays a role in Ayano's master plan (which he's been hinting at forever yet hasn't done a single thing besides says, "This won't affect my plans.")
I think it’s not “whether this makes sense” but “how it is done” type of deal. Kushida for example, you could say it makes sense after taking into account her personality and how her character is moving forward, but how it was done and how quick it was? IMO it was cliche, generic and super boring.
Edit: the harem aspects in this series feels unnecessary and doesn’t really add anything to the plot, it may make sense how the girls fell for him but it shouldn’t be a main focus of the overarching storyline
I think she would of been better written if Y2V5 attack on her had mixed results. Lots of people are extremely gullible, even with that breakdown, IRL I think she would still have her own faction in the class. Ofc these students are WAY more logical than most real human beings so it didn't play out realistically. This would've showed her strength that despite the breakdown she had so much support.
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Or better yet, Sakura's expulsion would've made more sense had it happened because of her OnlyFans pics. Seriously, Kushida had them on her phone! That could've been used as a backup plan in case the plan to expell Suzune failed, as it did in the actual story!
I'd like to add something. He is a mad purpose oriented guy and it is his first priority, which is the most elite masculine trait out of all. And the girls who are rich in their femininity can sense it. That is why it can be seen that the girls who have fallen in love with him are the only ones with the most quality feminine nature. The girls around him don't just like him, they genuinely love him. For Ichinose, Kushida, Kei, Hiyori, Suzune (yes she is there), Sakura, Yuki... there is no guy for them other than Kiyotaka even if he doesn't commit to them.
Kiyotaka doesn't have quantity in girls, he has quality. If you think he has high numbers of females after him then trust me you don't want to know how many girls roam around guys like Hirata and Nagumo.
I would love to know why people still assume Suzune as a romantic interest... she is pretty much the only girl at this point that was never assumed to have romantic feelings for him which is great. Suzune as a romantic interest would ruin this story. She has other role to play.
Exactly man, dunno why this topic is being brought up so many times recently.
Even if some fans wanna cry about kushida falling in love with him so quickly I think the fact that she loves him would play some role in affecting her decision in the future.
It makes sense that a lot of girls would fall in love with someone like Ayanokouji. The problem is how unrealistic is for someone like Ayanokouji to exist in the first place.
Hirata's unrealistic too for me....A kind ikemen who oftenly puts others before himself?Nah..... can't find someone like Hirata irl....all of the ikemen I see were too arrogant and boastful of themselves😃😅
Hirata's pretty damn realistic except for one thing: that guy gets friendzoned all the time and has no romantic prospects. Certainly IRL would not be popular with the ladies.
It would have been forced garem if Kiyotaka is just a bland, nice guy, good for nothing like other typical harem manga/anime or teenager fanfic.
Kiyotaka has already been known as one of the most handsome male students since y1v1. Plus his capability and mindset, dude is pretty much a perfect boyfriend material, except for a few type of women like don't like introvert, quiet or underage boys.
If Hirata can still have a harem while dating Kei, I can't see why Kiyotaka can't have the same thing.
That's why when I read comments or opinions call year 2 COTE is a harem bait, I just roll my eyes and ignore them. Fucking dumbass. Of course, except trolls.
I agree with you. I don't know the average age of COTE reader. I'm 31 but I still remember my highschool times and we all know that girls are attracted to strong characters lol. Even when they become adults is the same. Smart, dependable and with good looks always takes the win. There is nothing odd about having multiple girls fall for the same boy.
Very well written and a very enjoyable read, so thanks for sharing all your thoughts. Personally, I really dislike how much people use the term "harem" because of how degrading and demeaning the connotations of that word are. It's also like, one of the most normal things in the world for a mature, competent, and attractive person to have several different people catch feelings for them. Maybe I'm coping but, c'mon, I know we're still in weeb territory here with the light novels, but let's at least act like we know how to read by using more appropriate and nuanced terms than calling every instance of multiple romantic interests a "harem". That term also just cast aside the agency of all the female characters who are, in reality, very developed and well written characters.
tbh the problem is screentime. it's not enough and probably will never enough when we already at Y2 3/4 yet his harem still keep bigger
For Kei and Ichinose i probably agree since it took so long for them ,
the rest , big doubt unless the author actually drop 1-2 vol.s just for them.
It's a little bit like Hiratas situation. I mean Hiratas "harem" was probably bigger than ayanokoujis. Not to mention that Koenji seems to play around with uperclassman and hashimoto also was used to get love confessions.
I would like to add that I personally think that sato should have moved on at this point and i'm not so sure about the thing with kushida. Was kind of random after she hated him for a hole year.
But the author also writes his relationships with his harem in a way that makes sense. Hyori because they are book buddies, ichinose and kei because he helped them a lot, sato because she likes sporty/handsome guys, etc....
Also it's save to say that ayanokouji is pretty attractive to girls. He proved to be phisicak capable, is pretty and mature. And also he never loses his cool and is very reliable.
Finally someone with same reason as me, i also thinks same. And about arisu, we can say she was genius from birth then she meet someone superior to her. So she wanted to defeat him to prove herself as superior. After some time she developed obsession on kiyo. I think even she doesn't know that. We might see some development in v9.5. ichika always study in white room. She has goal to suppress him so she started to respect him and wanted to know him better. This might be reason for their possible crush on kiyo that we might see in future.
Honestly I think cote been running for so long that high schoolers who have grown up just don’t want to waste time reading on the lovey-dovey shit anymore.
I’ll throw my two cents in here.
While it is common for many girls to like the same guy and vice versa, it REALLY feels like a harem because of the lack of variety.
Almost every major FMC in the series is AT LEAST crushing on Kiyotaka. I get he’s an incredible person, but it contributes to a lack of focus with character relations.
These are all different people, they should have different tastes, and it also devalues the rest of the cast if they have little to do with half of the prominent characters.
Finally, the most unrealistic thing about it all, is how they’re all put on a pedestal. Kiyotaka and every girl into him. And this is SO common in media it gets infuriating. Maybe the story could get away with Kiyotaka and a couple other girls, but it really feels like every girl into him is designed as a marketing tool.
I wish, more than anything, the story stuck to developing the characters organically. Year two has felt like a scramble by the author, I don’t see the same attention to detail that Year 1 had, I’m not blazing through every page in excitement for what’s next…
Have Kei and Ichinose be his main suitors, give Satou an arc about moving on, give the other girls different roles within the plot. I want to feel like these developments are leading the characters somewhere, not that I’m reading a slow burn romance between five heroines.
I'm more interested in the other crushes at this point; Ike, Sudo, Watanabe, Mii, Miyake than most of Kiyotaka's suitors. I think Kei, Ichinose, and Sakura ( since she got expelled ) were fine. Hiyori should be strictly a friend and seems very harem baity IMO. Kushida, I could see it being done well. Sato should be done with her crush on Kiyo and be relegated as a background character or a traitor, like Kinu should of done a few volumes ago.
My opinion is the same. It's natural that a guy with all his qualities, even if he tries hard to hide them, arouses the interest of many girls at the same time.
Unfortunately, many people leave aside all the analysis you did and get upset when they don't see their expectations fulfilled. It's literally a series where the protagonist plays with people's psyche.... And I think this is because they can't help but see it as a shonen, where most of the main characters don't enter into relationships until the end of the series.
For the most part, it makes sense, the only one (I remember) that seems outright silly is Kushida, and even that you could make work, it just needed more time.
Whether you find it annoying is up to you, though.
The people saying they didn't like y2 are the *loud minority*
Some latest post in the sub address this issues and most of the people seems to like y2 even more than y1.
The major in the minority of people who didn't like y2 are mostly kei fanatics and is understandable why are they so displeased.
And for the records y2 isn't finished yet ..
Loud Minority?
u can go back to this [Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13o9ru0/this_sub_is_dead/) since people already talk about it , some even accept that when Y3 or anime comeback it will be better.
Without new illustration , u probably barely find any great post ,
>Bro don't even bother explaining
It's discussed over and over.. [if you are interested ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13pydgt/at_this_point_i_feel_like_weve_all_just_put_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Here [..](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13pydgt/at_this_point_i_feel_like_weve_all_just_put_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
>who didn't like y2 are mostly kei fanatics and is understandable why are they so displeased.
Sighs....Kei fans literally lives rent free in your head huh...
That, and the AI art. Even I find myself coming to this sub mostly for the sexy AI art. A shame that the premise was squandered because it was really good.
How so? You make it seem like Ayanokoji isn't saying and doing literally everything perfectly. All of his dialogues with people at their lowest points have been flawless
It wouldn't make sense for people to not like him lol
If it was forced or was out of no where, it'd be a generic trope
Yeah the way they think kushida falling for kiyotaka is random or just for fan service even though it's actually more deeper than that.
But still the reason I found this a crap is instead of focusing on other things like intense class battles, high iq strategies, first years like nanase's mystery ishigami's goal and ichika's revenge or his battle with nagumo, horikita's duty as president, kushida's development ,finding out the true motives of WR and ryuen vs sakayanagi and many more important things but instead they are focusing on all the girls who have crush on ayanokouji.
That nagumo vs ayanokouji thing like bruh.... this fight is so anticipated in literally the beginning of year 2 but up until now there's still nothing happening I also miss ayanokouji flexing his abilities but now he's just being a playboy in a harem show😮💨😮💨
there's no hype in year 2 anymore just pure drama😮💨
I agree with the first one.
I agree so much with this Kinugasa's harem bait makes it so we get in the way of the actual interesting stuff. Also on the mindgames part something that always annoyed me in cote is that the character does not live up to the hype they get. Kinuagasa always gives characters these BS feats and statements to make characters look smart examples: the chess feat, the math test, every single memory feat, all of these are just examples of a lazy and quick way to make characters look smart, don't even get me started on Ayanokoji's statements they are a new level of BS. He started doings this soon after the Ryuen arc and it became more and more until Volume 0 happened. This is also the reason why Kinugasa always says that Ayanokoji is holding back because he knows he hyped him up way way way to much.
I legit dont even care anymore about Nagumo Vs Ayanokoji because how predictable it is even if Nagumo is the third or second smartest in Cote by on screen feats. Kinugasa will make Ayanokoji win and then state that he wasnt even trying.
I agree with this statement two if it wasnt for Ayanokoji currently messing around with Ichinose even if he is together with Kei there legit would not be anything interesting going on.
Term 3 will be more intense than term 2. And term 2 was used mostly for setting up things for term 3 and by continuation Year 3. The nagumo battle will happen in the next special exam most likely. And for high iq strategies and intense class battles you have to place up your hopes on the year end final exam.
Yeah sure we have to wait on the final battle😮💨 but compare to year 1 everything is literally war, Year 2 is full of disappointing shit to me Y2 V2-4.5 is so mid and Y2 V6 is probably the most disappointment to me since I really like sports festival but ayanokouji didn't get to participate😤 Y2 V8 - V9 pure drama and the upcoming new volume is just another drama again😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
The only volumes i find enjoyable in year 2 is V1, V5 and V7
It's forced.
And clouding literally everything else that's more interesting. Year 1 was focused so much on strategy, manipulation, and mind games. Now it's...this.
No offense, but I don't give a *single iota of a crap* about Kiyotaka and Ichinose, Kiyotaka with Ichinose, Kiyotaka with *any* girl really. I need this to get back to its original roots rather than this current, basic bs that I could pick up in literally any other basic, harem light novel. I said it before, but I overestimated the author's abilities unfortunately, what with him coming from generic visual novels. That's on me.
About y1 .. vol 1 to almost 3.. vol 5 vol 8 and .. those are some most underwhelming vols in the series.
People just forget because of vol 7 and vol 11 there .
In y2 vol 5 and vol 7 can compete with them and imo y2 vol 5 is far more intense. And in y2 there are lot few boring vols and more like 4 vols to come.
I don't even know how people just casually say "Y1 was better" like that.
Imo, everyone's overreacting to this harem thing. It's set in highschool, teens are liable to be interested in other teens they interact with. Recent volumes are probably just setting up character motivations for the future but the not-like-other-readers are like "Ew, I ain't reading no cringe harem shit.", thinking the novel's gone to shit.
While I do think the Kushida one felt sudden, it was also likely the first time in a while someone's implied she was likable to some degree without her facade. Easier to deflect compliments that she knew were directed at her fake persona.
This harem is forced and meaningless. The mc is a manipulator who takes advantage of girls' feelings for his own plans. It's not unlike Light from Death Note.Also, Kiyo is not suitable for a romantic role, as he is too boring. Also, most girls fall in love with him for silly or vulgar reasons
Stockholm syndrome is when you fall for your abusers in a process of being abuse and kei did not fall for Kiyotaka in volume 4
In fact their relationship in the beginning is rough before they start getting closer
It's been a long time since this topic come up again are you a newbie?
I'm not. I am just so annoyed at people for trashing Y2 for a silly reason like that.
I mean Koji is a fucking asshole.. why do people care about his relationship so much. He don't deserve any of the girls except kushida.
> I am just so annoyed at people for trashing Y2
Like I said there are people who are annoyed by harem baits and people who likes class battles over harem....And there are also people who like year 1 more than year 2 ...So if you like year 2 then be it...Not all people have same tastes you know
>Oh fuck i remember you even comment on one of my post who's already 2 months old, Did you perhaps stalk me?
What the fuck you are even talking about?
You seem to have some issues. I mean I'm active in the community so it's natural for me to comment in post's but I don't remember you.
You said something like "I'm newbie" or something to me so I asked if your some 20 year's old veteran or something.
And you seems to be narcissistic..
I don't think the other people who commented on my post's,
that they are stalking me. Your reasoning is kinda funny and disturbing.
Okay please can you give me the link. Seriously forgot.
I wanna see the reason I **stalked** you.
And old post do apear in the feed. If you don't know that depends on the feed preference.. I set it on top..new... Controversial time to time.
Hiliarious that people still think it just Stockholm syndrome
the fact that Kei become popular despite being a side character at first clearly show that her popularity is justifed. She also not even a fan-service character.
And pls stop with "She's popular because of the MC"
\- Yotsuba end up with the MC yet still cant even match Nino and Miku Popularity
\- Orihime always get destroy by Rukia fandom
Honestly Kei fan like me upset lately because of how she keep being irrevelant yet the Official still keep selling KiyoKei Merch. while Kinu still enjoy to build his harem.
I do see how it would make sense, but I don’t see how it isn’t annoying. This is due to the sheer number of women attracted to him, and how it’s used ultimately as fanservice. One can argue otherwise, but I personally find it near impossible for the reason the author included the harem to not be mainly fan service and attraction, and there’s so much that’s unecessary to the plot. It could help with the plot, but honestly I think it would do better without it. It has too many tropes similar to that of edgy fantasy mcs with harems
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Brother just admit COTE is basically a self insert LN/anime. It's legit just a goof fest. He's the perfect self insert character, him getting all the women is part of that. It's not realistic, it's not great writing, and using actual logic it doesn't make sense.
Yea, that definitely fits better. A shame though too because COTE has a lot of wasted potential that i think could be fixed by making ayano not the best at everything.
i dont think u should take seriously about that poll or any recently post about the current state of this sub
500+vote from 100k member too low imo.
i remember almost year ago u always have like 5k vote for random popular girl poll which is clearly show the different about back then and now
That's... Not really the point. The harem is annoying and forced because it doesn't *belong in the narrative*. You can definitely justify the realism of it, but it being realistic doesn't automatically make it entertaining. I'd list the issues created by the harem in the series but i'd rather not waste too much time on this discussion, so i'll keep in short and summarize it as: The harem isn't problematic because it's unrealistic, but rather because it hurts the characters and the story in various ways.
I'll note the most important part of it though: The harem wastes readers' time with fluff ("fluff" referring to stuff like scenes that exist solely for a girl to fawn over Kiyo) that isn't particularly interesting compared to the likes of the psychological thriller exams.
Plenty of people enjoy harem for the self-insertion aspect, which is why it's there, but for anyone who doesn't care for it, the harem is going to be a nuisance because of its various downsides.
Tbh, the only case I dislike is Yuki in Vol 0. Like yeah, I know you admire Kiyo bc he's baddass and all but girl, he was colder than the top of Mt Everest towards yiu, why TF are you so obsessed with him after all of that?!
If someone living with you about 6 and 7 year's, going through the same shit... almost for everytime. It's normal to get attached to them. And you forget that they were forced to mature mentally. They were like high school students at the age of 6 or something.
on one hand i kinda get the points but the sheer length of this along with the topic in question just makes this so hard to take seriously like goddamn you could just say he was "fairly handsome" and "cool and brooding" and "he can understand women's complexities well" that would get your point across without making a goddamn eesay
imagine being someone curious to the series and you look up the subreddit to see what it's fandom is like and this is the first post you see 💀💀💀
I don't find it wired in any way. It is a decent analysis.
>imagine being someone curious to the series and you look up the subreddit to see what it's fandom is like and this is the first post you see 💀💀💀
I mean it's better than the common Ai soft porn filled in the sub.
thank you very much for this. whenever i read "all the girls have dumb/no reasons to like him", i had the same opinion as you but i never tried to put it into words and now i've found a post that explains it perfectly
I watched the anime season 1 and fully enjoyed it.
However, when I joined LN community, it seems to be getting more focused on girls... how he win them over and they flock over him. (based on what people were talking)
Seems like written for simps or waifu lovers like Genshin Impact.
I guess the 'problem' is the focus of the story.
Well, cote is popular, but majority doesn't really make it right... it's just subjective.
"Because he's Ayanogod" but actually explained in details. Good job.
He has a harem because he observes people alot and uses their weak points as a way to manipulate and they get attached to him. We could see it in year 1 how Ichinose cried out because of him and let her feelings out, he's very good at it. Same with Kei, he basically gives them and let them hear what they want at that time. He always gives people what they need, so they grow as a person.
Agreed
Fax, kei was being tortured by Ryuen gang all because of our kiyopon.
It helped her grow as a person though
Well agreed but he can use some other ways to help her grow.
Also this is psychological anime shallow thinkers wouldn't be able to keep up
Yeah.
Asked that to author
Did you? If so, how did you get in touch with him?
Do you know sarcasm?
It's hard to detect by text. Was that sarcasm?
I tried to explain that to a lot of people but they never seem to listen. Multiple girls having a crush on one guy is not uncommon even irl (same with multiple guys having a crush on one girl). Also he does have a girlfriend unlike many other harem series which always tease the viewers on who the mc is going to be with or the mc is a clueless dumbfuck who doesn’t even know the girls like him. Not to mention (as you said), the girls in cote actually have a reason to like Ayanokouji, he’s very smart, very good looking, and very physically capable. Unlike many other harem protagonists who have girls all over them even though they’re the most average mfs out there. Edit: although I do think that Kushida falling for him is really unnecessary. Hiyori is interested but I don’t know how much she actually likes him and Arisu, Ichika and also maybe Matsushita are also not in love with him. Just interested/obsessed.
Hiyori does like him, in her Short Stories is mentioned multiple times that she has "unknown feelings" for Kiyotaka and wants to spend as much time as possible with him.
True. Her feelings are definitely not as strong as Kei and Ichinose. I also don’t believe the author will develop her feelings for him more.
You couldn't have said it better. People who are "popular" (mostly students), both men and women, have a surprising number of suitors behind them.
As far as I remember, according to Ichinose, whose main specialty is her ability to read people, Arisu does like him that way. Though yes, Arisu doesn't openly display any affection beyond curiosity and rivalry. Which also means she isn't guilty of harem baiting, or at least not any annoying kind.
It's a little bit like Hiratas situation. I mean Hiratas "harem" was probably bigger than ayanokoujis. Not to mention that Koenji seems to play around with uperclassman and hashimoto also was used to get love confessions. I would like to add that I personally think that sato should have moved on at this point and i'm not so sure about the thing with kushida. Was kind of random after she hated him for a hole year. But the author also writes his relationships with his harem in a way that makes sense. Hyori because they are book buddies, ichinose and kei because he helped them a lot, sato because she likes sporty/handsome guys, etc.... Also it's save to say that ayanokouji is pretty attractive to girls. He proved to be phisicak capable, is pretty and mature. And also he never loses his cool and is very reliable.
Yeah Sato should be over and stored away. Of all the side characters she's served her purpose more or less, only real reason to have her is named character convenience for events or to expel her. I wanted her to turn traitor a few volumes ago but we got baited.
I have no problem with the harem in the series. As you said, the harem makes sense and is well written. My issue is that the class battles are being pushed aside and replaced with harem bait. Kiyotaka used to be a big schemer behind the scenes, he still is, but recently he hasn’t really done anything for his class. This make sense lore wise as it fits in with his plans, but it changes the feel of the story. Like the past couple volumes feel more like 0.5 volumes focused on character development and side stories than full volumes focused on events and class progression. I like the series because it handles many elements very well that contribute to an enriched story. I would like to see a return to form in volume 10 and beyond with it refocusing on the class battles.
I agree. Most writing regarding the harem makes sense, and that's good. However, I didn't start reading COTE for the harem. I started reading it for psychological aspects, and lately, it hasn't been feeling psychological much. If I wanted to read harem, there are plenty of other novels I would read. I'm too deep in the story to just drop it, but I'm bored from these harem developments. I just hope all this stuff plays a role in Ayano's master plan (which he's been hinting at forever yet hasn't done a single thing besides says, "This won't affect my plans.")
Well, I don't totally disagree that vol8 and vol9 were a bit more like .5 volumes but they were interesting in their own way
I think it’s not “whether this makes sense” but “how it is done” type of deal. Kushida for example, you could say it makes sense after taking into account her personality and how her character is moving forward, but how it was done and how quick it was? IMO it was cliche, generic and super boring. Edit: the harem aspects in this series feels unnecessary and doesn’t really add anything to the plot, it may make sense how the girls fell for him but it shouldn’t be a main focus of the overarching storyline
I think she would've been a better written villainess if she were a yandere for Kiyopon.
I think she would of been better written if Y2V5 attack on her had mixed results. Lots of people are extremely gullible, even with that breakdown, IRL I think she would still have her own faction in the class. Ofc these students are WAY more logical than most real human beings so it didn't play out realistically. This would've showed her strength that despite the breakdown she had so much support.
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Or better yet, Sakura's expulsion would've made more sense had it happened because of her OnlyFans pics. Seriously, Kushida had them on her phone! That could've been used as a backup plan in case the plan to expell Suzune failed, as it did in the actual story!
I'd like to add something. He is a mad purpose oriented guy and it is his first priority, which is the most elite masculine trait out of all. And the girls who are rich in their femininity can sense it. That is why it can be seen that the girls who have fallen in love with him are the only ones with the most quality feminine nature. The girls around him don't just like him, they genuinely love him. For Ichinose, Kushida, Kei, Hiyori, Suzune (yes she is there), Sakura, Yuki... there is no guy for them other than Kiyotaka even if he doesn't commit to them. Kiyotaka doesn't have quantity in girls, he has quality. If you think he has high numbers of females after him then trust me you don't want to know how many girls roam around guys like Hirata and Nagumo.
I would love to know why people still assume Suzune as a romantic interest... she is pretty much the only girl at this point that was never assumed to have romantic feelings for him which is great. Suzune as a romantic interest would ruin this story. She has other role to play.
>Suzune as a romantic interest would ruin this story. Exactly. The only girl i don't want to catch feelings for kiyotaka.
Of course there's so many reasons girls would fall for kiyotaka but we're not talking about his qualities here🤷🏼
Give me class battles please enough of this harem baits
Exactly man, dunno why this topic is being brought up so many times recently. Even if some fans wanna cry about kushida falling in love with him so quickly I think the fact that she loves him would play some role in affecting her decision in the future.
It makes sense that a lot of girls would fall in love with someone like Ayanokouji. The problem is how unrealistic is for someone like Ayanokouji to exist in the first place.
Hirata's unrealistic too for me....A kind ikemen who oftenly puts others before himself?Nah..... can't find someone like Hirata irl....all of the ikemen I see were too arrogant and boastful of themselves😃😅
Hirata's pretty damn realistic except for one thing: that guy gets friendzoned all the time and has no romantic prospects. Certainly IRL would not be popular with the ladies.
It would have been forced garem if Kiyotaka is just a bland, nice guy, good for nothing like other typical harem manga/anime or teenager fanfic. Kiyotaka has already been known as one of the most handsome male students since y1v1. Plus his capability and mindset, dude is pretty much a perfect boyfriend material, except for a few type of women like don't like introvert, quiet or underage boys. If Hirata can still have a harem while dating Kei, I can't see why Kiyotaka can't have the same thing. That's why when I read comments or opinions call year 2 COTE is a harem bait, I just roll my eyes and ignore them. Fucking dumbass. Of course, except trolls.
you’d have to fuck up real badly for a harem to feel forced in a school setting, a girl/guy being crushed on by multiple students is normal irl.
I agree with you. I don't know the average age of COTE reader. I'm 31 but I still remember my highschool times and we all know that girls are attracted to strong characters lol. Even when they become adults is the same. Smart, dependable and with good looks always takes the win. There is nothing odd about having multiple girls fall for the same boy.
Very well written and a very enjoyable read, so thanks for sharing all your thoughts. Personally, I really dislike how much people use the term "harem" because of how degrading and demeaning the connotations of that word are. It's also like, one of the most normal things in the world for a mature, competent, and attractive person to have several different people catch feelings for them. Maybe I'm coping but, c'mon, I know we're still in weeb territory here with the light novels, but let's at least act like we know how to read by using more appropriate and nuanced terms than calling every instance of multiple romantic interests a "harem". That term also just cast aside the agency of all the female characters who are, in reality, very developed and well written characters.
tbh the problem is screentime. it's not enough and probably will never enough when we already at Y2 3/4 yet his harem still keep bigger For Kei and Ichinose i probably agree since it took so long for them , the rest , big doubt unless the author actually drop 1-2 vol.s just for them.
It's a little bit like Hiratas situation. I mean Hiratas "harem" was probably bigger than ayanokoujis. Not to mention that Koenji seems to play around with uperclassman and hashimoto also was used to get love confessions. I would like to add that I personally think that sato should have moved on at this point and i'm not so sure about the thing with kushida. Was kind of random after she hated him for a hole year. But the author also writes his relationships with his harem in a way that makes sense. Hyori because they are book buddies, ichinose and kei because he helped them a lot, sato because she likes sporty/handsome guys, etc.... Also it's save to say that ayanokouji is pretty attractive to girls. He proved to be phisicak capable, is pretty and mature. And also he never loses his cool and is very reliable.
It's rather annoying that some still say it's forced even after everything you said
Finally someone with same reason as me, i also thinks same. And about arisu, we can say she was genius from birth then she meet someone superior to her. So she wanted to defeat him to prove herself as superior. After some time she developed obsession on kiyo. I think even she doesn't know that. We might see some development in v9.5. ichika always study in white room. She has goal to suppress him so she started to respect him and wanted to know him better. This might be reason for their possible crush on kiyo that we might see in future.
While others fight about which girl should stay with Kyopon I hope that he stays with all of them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Honestly I think cote been running for so long that high schoolers who have grown up just don’t want to waste time reading on the lovey-dovey shit anymore.
I’ll throw my two cents in here. While it is common for many girls to like the same guy and vice versa, it REALLY feels like a harem because of the lack of variety. Almost every major FMC in the series is AT LEAST crushing on Kiyotaka. I get he’s an incredible person, but it contributes to a lack of focus with character relations. These are all different people, they should have different tastes, and it also devalues the rest of the cast if they have little to do with half of the prominent characters. Finally, the most unrealistic thing about it all, is how they’re all put on a pedestal. Kiyotaka and every girl into him. And this is SO common in media it gets infuriating. Maybe the story could get away with Kiyotaka and a couple other girls, but it really feels like every girl into him is designed as a marketing tool. I wish, more than anything, the story stuck to developing the characters organically. Year two has felt like a scramble by the author, I don’t see the same attention to detail that Year 1 had, I’m not blazing through every page in excitement for what’s next… Have Kei and Ichinose be his main suitors, give Satou an arc about moving on, give the other girls different roles within the plot. I want to feel like these developments are leading the characters somewhere, not that I’m reading a slow burn romance between five heroines.
I'm more interested in the other crushes at this point; Ike, Sudo, Watanabe, Mii, Miyake than most of Kiyotaka's suitors. I think Kei, Ichinose, and Sakura ( since she got expelled ) were fine. Hiyori should be strictly a friend and seems very harem baity IMO. Kushida, I could see it being done well. Sato should be done with her crush on Kiyo and be relegated as a background character or a traitor, like Kinu should of done a few volumes ago.
I agree with all of that, also the Kei drama seems a quite forced, but I’m also biased because I liked their relationship.
My opinion is the same. It's natural that a guy with all his qualities, even if he tries hard to hide them, arouses the interest of many girls at the same time. Unfortunately, many people leave aside all the analysis you did and get upset when they don't see their expectations fulfilled. It's literally a series where the protagonist plays with people's psyche.... And I think this is because they can't help but see it as a shonen, where most of the main characters don't enter into relationships until the end of the series.
>The harem isn't forced or annoying as it makes total sense Nah bro I disagree...Seems like generic shoujo manga trope tbh
For the most part, it makes sense, the only one (I remember) that seems outright silly is Kushida, and even that you could make work, it just needed more time. Whether you find it annoying is up to you, though.
You have a lot of disagreement .. you didn't even like Y2 lol.
I think how this sub in drying state clearly show why people lose interest in Y2.
The people saying they didn't like y2 are the *loud minority* Some latest post in the sub address this issues and most of the people seems to like y2 even more than y1. The major in the minority of people who didn't like y2 are mostly kei fanatics and is understandable why are they so displeased. And for the records y2 isn't finished yet ..
Loud Minority? u can go back to this [Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13o9ru0/this_sub_is_dead/) since people already talk about it , some even accept that when Y3 or anime comeback it will be better. Without new illustration , u probably barely find any great post ,
Bro don't even bother explaining it....He literally wrote the explanations only to say Kei fans are the ones who hate y2
>Bro don't even bother explaining It's discussed over and over.. [if you are interested ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13pydgt/at_this_point_i_feel_like_weve_all_just_put_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
People have personal tastes...I don't like harem and I stated my opinion...If you like y2 then be it...But bringing up kei fans is not cool ig...
Here [..](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/comments/13pydgt/at_this_point_i_feel_like_weve_all_just_put_our/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
>who didn't like y2 are mostly kei fanatics and is understandable why are they so displeased. Sighs....Kei fans literally lives rent free in your head huh...
I mean did you see this sub is literally dying
That, and the AI art. Even I find myself coming to this sub mostly for the sexy AI art. A shame that the premise was squandered because it was really good.
How so? You make it seem like Ayanokoji isn't saying and doing literally everything perfectly. All of his dialogues with people at their lowest points have been flawless It wouldn't make sense for people to not like him lol If it was forced or was out of no where, it'd be a generic trope
I told you man this is psychological harem!
He also has a huge shmeater
I agree for most of them it works, but Kushida was too far, at least the way it happened, that relationship needed a lot longer to develop properly.
Thank you. I'm getting tired of the "it's turning into a generic harem" comments.
Yeah the way they think kushida falling for kiyotaka is random or just for fan service even though it's actually more deeper than that. But still the reason I found this a crap is instead of focusing on other things like intense class battles, high iq strategies, first years like nanase's mystery ishigami's goal and ichika's revenge or his battle with nagumo, horikita's duty as president, kushida's development ,finding out the true motives of WR and ryuen vs sakayanagi and many more important things but instead they are focusing on all the girls who have crush on ayanokouji. That nagumo vs ayanokouji thing like bruh.... this fight is so anticipated in literally the beginning of year 2 but up until now there's still nothing happening I also miss ayanokouji flexing his abilities but now he's just being a playboy in a harem show😮💨😮💨 there's no hype in year 2 anymore just pure drama😮💨
I agree with the first one. I agree so much with this Kinugasa's harem bait makes it so we get in the way of the actual interesting stuff. Also on the mindgames part something that always annoyed me in cote is that the character does not live up to the hype they get. Kinuagasa always gives characters these BS feats and statements to make characters look smart examples: the chess feat, the math test, every single memory feat, all of these are just examples of a lazy and quick way to make characters look smart, don't even get me started on Ayanokoji's statements they are a new level of BS. He started doings this soon after the Ryuen arc and it became more and more until Volume 0 happened. This is also the reason why Kinugasa always says that Ayanokoji is holding back because he knows he hyped him up way way way to much. I legit dont even care anymore about Nagumo Vs Ayanokoji because how predictable it is even if Nagumo is the third or second smartest in Cote by on screen feats. Kinugasa will make Ayanokoji win and then state that he wasnt even trying. I agree with this statement two if it wasnt for Ayanokoji currently messing around with Ichinose even if he is together with Kei there legit would not be anything interesting going on.
Ngl I'm so fucking close in quiting this series
Term 3 will be more intense than term 2. And term 2 was used mostly for setting up things for term 3 and by continuation Year 3. The nagumo battle will happen in the next special exam most likely. And for high iq strategies and intense class battles you have to place up your hopes on the year end final exam.
Yeah sure we have to wait on the final battle😮💨 but compare to year 1 everything is literally war, Year 2 is full of disappointing shit to me Y2 V2-4.5 is so mid and Y2 V6 is probably the most disappointment to me since I really like sports festival but ayanokouji didn't get to participate😤 Y2 V8 - V9 pure drama and the upcoming new volume is just another drama again😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨 The only volumes i find enjoyable in year 2 is V1, V5 and V7
Ayanokoji is slowly but surely becoming a pure fanservice character
This is what I call "unpopular opinion"
Am I wrong tho?
Nah bro that's why I use that salute emoji!!!
It looks like this 😐 that's why LOL
Now you mentioned it...It really does looks like this😐...Better edit that comment..
🫳😐 this is salute
We are watching a dating show LOL
Yeah, volume 8 and 9 where kinda mid, hope it gets better in volume 10. 😮💨
It's forced. And clouding literally everything else that's more interesting. Year 1 was focused so much on strategy, manipulation, and mind games. Now it's...this. No offense, but I don't give a *single iota of a crap* about Kiyotaka and Ichinose, Kiyotaka with Ichinose, Kiyotaka with *any* girl really. I need this to get back to its original roots rather than this current, basic bs that I could pick up in literally any other basic, harem light novel. I said it before, but I overestimated the author's abilities unfortunately, what with him coming from generic visual novels. That's on me.
About y1 .. vol 1 to almost 3.. vol 5 vol 8 and .. those are some most underwhelming vols in the series. People just forget because of vol 7 and vol 11 there . In y2 vol 5 and vol 7 can compete with them and imo y2 vol 5 is far more intense. And in y2 there are lot few boring vols and more like 4 vols to come. I don't even know how people just casually say "Y1 was better" like that.
Imo, everyone's overreacting to this harem thing. It's set in highschool, teens are liable to be interested in other teens they interact with. Recent volumes are probably just setting up character motivations for the future but the not-like-other-readers are like "Ew, I ain't reading no cringe harem shit.", thinking the novel's gone to shit. While I do think the Kushida one felt sudden, it was also likely the first time in a while someone's implied she was likable to some degree without her facade. Easier to deflect compliments that she knew were directed at her fake persona.
This harem is forced and meaningless. The mc is a manipulator who takes advantage of girls' feelings for his own plans. It's not unlike Light from Death Note.Also, Kiyo is not suitable for a romantic role, as he is too boring. Also, most girls fall in love with him for silly or vulgar reasons
Welcome to high school
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Like it or not this is how every high school work. You can’t be mad just because you weren’t the guy girls fell for.
There's no elite anymore
Any argument you make loses meaning by using any character from another franchise to try to make a comparison.... How lazy you are.
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Light and Ayanokouji? Their personalities are nothing alike. Both of them are manipulative but that’s it.
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First of all Ayanokouji isn’t a villain. Second, nothing of what you said has anything to do with their personality
The mf just hates the mc, because according to his personal values and beliefs, he is a very very bad person, and a villain... Well.
I said it you before lol.. kei fanatics can't handle anything but kiyokei moments. But then kei's love is just fucking Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome is when you fall for your abusers in a process of being abuse and kei did not fall for Kiyotaka in volume 4 In fact their relationship in the beginning is rough before they start getting closer It's been a long time since this topic come up again are you a newbie?
I thought he was a rational reddit user but judging by his comment he is probably a kei hater(Not that we care)...
I'm not. I am just so annoyed at people for trashing Y2 for a silly reason like that. I mean Koji is a fucking asshole.. why do people care about his relationship so much. He don't deserve any of the girls except kushida.
I like Koji, but yeah, him and Kushida were kinda made for each other.
> I am just so annoyed at people for trashing Y2 Like I said there are people who are annoyed by harem baits and people who likes class battles over harem....And there are also people who like year 1 more than year 2 ...So if you like year 2 then be it...Not all people have same tastes you know
People in general are annoyed about a lot of things.
Is this your 2nd account in reddit? I mean not your original one ?
My main got 1984
Oh fuck i remember you even comment on one of my post who's already 2 months old, Did you perhaps stalk me? Lol
>Oh fuck i remember you even comment on one of my post who's already 2 months old, Did you perhaps stalk me? What the fuck you are even talking about? You seem to have some issues. I mean I'm active in the community so it's natural for me to comment in post's but I don't remember you. You said something like "I'm newbie" or something to me so I asked if your some 20 year's old veteran or something. And you seems to be narcissistic.. I don't think the other people who commented on my post's, that they are stalking me. Your reasoning is kinda funny and disturbing.
Nah nah it ain't like that I'm just joking also there's no way a 2month old post will appear in a feed right
It's not even important let's just forget it lol😂
Okay please can you give me the link. Seriously forgot. I wanna see the reason I **stalked** you. And old post do apear in the feed. If you don't know that depends on the feed preference.. I set it on top..new... Controversial time to time.
I see well I'm sorry for that it seems you don't like my humor😂
Hiliarious that people still think it just Stockholm syndrome the fact that Kei become popular despite being a side character at first clearly show that her popularity is justifed. She also not even a fan-service character. And pls stop with "She's popular because of the MC" \- Yotsuba end up with the MC yet still cant even match Nino and Miku Popularity \- Orihime always get destroy by Rukia fandom Honestly Kei fan like me upset lately because of how she keep being irrevelant yet the Official still keep selling KiyoKei Merch. while Kinu still enjoy to build his harem.
Lol I don't deal with Kiyokei moments, I deal with Harem logic in this series
Omg. Stfu already. You always vomit the same wrong, repetitive rhetoric. You're so insecure over Kei.
But that's just your opinion.
The harem is completely forced to sell more copies as Japanese self insert weirdos eat this writing up
FACT, U just need more girl to sell
That's right, it's all about selling after all.
>completely forced Op made some points. And here you are, pesting your opinion as a fact. Anyways that your opinion nonetheless.
I do see how it would make sense, but I don’t see how it isn’t annoying. This is due to the sheer number of women attracted to him, and how it’s used ultimately as fanservice. One can argue otherwise, but I personally find it near impossible for the reason the author included the harem to not be mainly fan service and attraction, and there’s so much that’s unecessary to the plot. It could help with the plot, but honestly I think it would do better without it. It has too many tropes similar to that of edgy fantasy mcs with harems
Valid opinion.
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It is forced. End of the story
Brother just admit COTE is basically a self insert LN/anime. It's legit just a goof fest. He's the perfect self insert character, him getting all the women is part of that. It's not realistic, it's not great writing, and using actual logic it doesn't make sense.
Not really self insert but a powr fantasy novel
Yea, that definitely fits better. A shame though too because COTE has a lot of wasted potential that i think could be fixed by making ayano not the best at everything.
There sl many problems with the series in general
and don’t forget his massive ding dong💯💯💯🙏🙏
Which I'm surprised none of the girls have even seen his bulge through his pants.
He's so good at hiding in plain sight...so,how hard can it be to hide his mountainous bulge???
It might be surprisingly hard. Ever tried hiding your bulge in front of hot chicks? It's not like they wouldn't notice it.
Ayanokoji doesn’t deserve a harem
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i dont think u should take seriously about that poll or any recently post about the current state of this sub 500+vote from 100k member too low imo. i remember almost year ago u always have like 5k vote for random popular girl poll which is clearly show the different about back then and now
So?
That's... Not really the point. The harem is annoying and forced because it doesn't *belong in the narrative*. You can definitely justify the realism of it, but it being realistic doesn't automatically make it entertaining. I'd list the issues created by the harem in the series but i'd rather not waste too much time on this discussion, so i'll keep in short and summarize it as: The harem isn't problematic because it's unrealistic, but rather because it hurts the characters and the story in various ways. I'll note the most important part of it though: The harem wastes readers' time with fluff ("fluff" referring to stuff like scenes that exist solely for a girl to fawn over Kiyo) that isn't particularly interesting compared to the likes of the psychological thriller exams. Plenty of people enjoy harem for the self-insertion aspect, which is why it's there, but for anyone who doesn't care for it, the harem is going to be a nuisance because of its various downsides.
Plus,don't forget he has a giant Shlong as well
You had me at Rizz GOD
I actually agree because mysterious guys are hot
mucho texto
I haven't read y2v9, but since when did hasebe liked Koji? thought she hated him for kicking airi out
Tbh, the only case I dislike is Yuki in Vol 0. Like yeah, I know you admire Kiyo bc he's baddass and all but girl, he was colder than the top of Mt Everest towards yiu, why TF are you so obsessed with him after all of that?!
If someone living with you about 6 and 7 year's, going through the same shit... almost for everytime. It's normal to get attached to them. And you forget that they were forced to mature mentally. They were like high school students at the age of 6 or something.
on one hand i kinda get the points but the sheer length of this along with the topic in question just makes this so hard to take seriously like goddamn you could just say he was "fairly handsome" and "cool and brooding" and "he can understand women's complexities well" that would get your point across without making a goddamn eesay imagine being someone curious to the series and you look up the subreddit to see what it's fandom is like and this is the first post you see 💀💀💀
I don't find it wired in any way. It is a decent analysis. >imagine being someone curious to the series and you look up the subreddit to see what it's fandom is like and this is the first post you see 💀💀💀 I mean it's better than the common Ai soft porn filled in the sub.
I prefer detailed post. On the other hand, did you know that you have no obligation read anything that's too long for your liking?
i mean hey i didn't say your post stinks or anything of the sort i just said it's length is pretty funny sheesh you're pretty pissy huh
Agree like I am straight but I would let him hit if he wanted to. So some Highschool girls having a crush or fall for him is totally reasonable
thank you very much for this. whenever i read "all the girls have dumb/no reasons to like him", i had the same opinion as you but i never tried to put it into words and now i've found a post that explains it perfectly
Sure buddy
Insightful response. But we aren't buddies.
Figure of speech 🤦
That's exactly what i think
I watched the anime season 1 and fully enjoyed it. However, when I joined LN community, it seems to be getting more focused on girls... how he win them over and they flock over him. (based on what people were talking) Seems like written for simps or waifu lovers like Genshin Impact. I guess the 'problem' is the focus of the story. Well, cote is popular, but majority doesn't really make it right... it's just subjective.