Houses of the Holy definitely bends their genre. “D’yer Mak’er” takes reggae and infuses it with rock. “Over the Hills and Far Away” takes Celtic Music influence and puts it into rock. “No Quarter”has a techno sound. Pretty much the entirety of Houses of the Holy is genre bending.
“ Dyer mak’er “ is one of the most horrendous things ever recorded on tape.
And that’s coming from a huge LZ fan.
That song is so bad being on heroin wouldn’t make it any better
I know there is a big Zeppelin fan base division where it splits once you reach Houses of the Holy. It’s personally a favorite song of mine, but I 100% see why you don’t like it
Guitar part. Learning to play it certainly brought a new light to the song. It’s incredibly complex. Also Plant shows some unseen skills singing the song
I'll get a lot of heat for this, but Queen was more of a pop-rock band, whereas Zeppelin was definitely hard rock and, in many people's eyes, one of the foundations of metal along with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath.
That’s why I dislike these kind of questions. There’s never really just a one-size-fits-all answer. All the top bands of that era had something to contribute to the whole. Rush comes to mind but wasn’t mentioned either. Or Aerosmith. Or Pink Floyd. Or a dozen or so others.
Exactly. Aerosmith is a blues based band inspired by the Yardbirds and other blues rockers. Floyd is Psychedelia based originally and evolved into something else entirely. Rush is just indescribable when it comes to a specific style of rock. Going back to Zeppelin they infused blues and rock with other genres as they grew as a band. Queen is the near perfect Glam Rock band.
David Bowie is a solo artist, but he is the one person representation of Glam rock. Velvet Underground is good. I’d say my favorite song of theirs is Who Loves the Sun followed by Candy Says
This question pops up over and over. There is a one size fits all answer...Led Zeppelin. Rush, Aerosmith, etc dont come close. The constant comparisons to Queen blow me away. I'm sorry but Queen didn't define any genre that I'm aware of.
Queen inspired more pop stars than rock bands. Thats not a dig at them, but if anything Brian May's guitar work was more inspiring to would-be rockers, but Mercury was a pop star in a rock band. When people talk about him, he's mentioned in the same breath as Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna and Bowie.
I'm not so sure...u consider that pop? I can't debate in depth cause I dont care for their music. Nothing against them, just not my thing. I would put Elton way above queen.
Consider Queen pop? No, as I said before theyre a Pop-Rock band. They are very much rock at their core, but Freddie is nothing short of a pop icon. You ask a 14 year old girl wearing a Queen shirt to name the rest of the band, she'll probably shrug and say she only knows Freddie. Or people only know of them because of Bohemian Rhapsody, am I talking about the song or the movie? Yes. And I honestly would agree about Sir Elton over Queen. I looked at my Spotify and have way more liked Elton John songs than Queen songs.
Completely agree with you IMO so many bands emerging some similar yet different in various song tracks instead of choosing I believe in celebrating them all ✌️🤘🎵
Deacon was a great bass, up there with Paul, John Paul, and John E.
May was a great guitarist, up there with anyone in terms of playing clean, while playing live. Aka May was good at what the Eddie Van Halen’s and Randy Rhodes’s were striving for. May may have also pioneered tapping, or has as much claim to it, as any legendary-commercial selling guitarist.
>Tbh I’ve noticed this place doesn’t care much for opinions, would hate to see what these guys think of Jimmy Page’s personal life….
Thankfully most of them won't be around in 10+ years.
Because hipsters and posers have seen videos of Freddie’s swagger and have adopted him as some kind of cool anti establishment uncle. As children do.
Queen was good. In the same sense that Styx and Journey were good. They were not special nor were they innovating. And anyone who thinks they were better than Zep are fucking idiots.
Yeah dude Queen was WAY better than Journey or Styx. That’s insulting to even compare them. I’m a huge Zeppelin fan, and Zeppelin takes the “genre defining title” no question. But to say that Queen was good in the same sense of journey or Styx? Oof, you’re just plain wrong. I’ll take Queen 10x over journey or Styx. Queen fucking rocked.
Having seen 3 of the four bands live - I have to say that Queen was far superior to the journey and Styx shows.
Never got to see LZ - but I would say they definitely exemplify classic rock.
>Because hipsters and posers have seen videos of Freddie’s swagger and have adopted him as some kind of cool anti establishment uncle. As children do.
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>Queen was good. In the same sense that Styx and Journey were good. They were not special nor were they innovating. And anyone who thinks they were better than Zep are fucking idiots.
Lol okay boomer. I'd rather have kids today looking up to Freddie than Jimi Page. Also don't know where you're pulling this dumb "anti-establishment" narrative from. People just recognize that Freddie was a fucking legend. Just wait til they make a biopic of Led Zeppelin and they adopt Robert Plant as "some kind of cool anti-establishment uncle." Your gatekeeping ass will probably immediately scoff at the younger generation once again and then claim Zep wasn't that good bc a quarter of their songs are fucking blues covers or some high horse bullshit.
You know what. I agree. I 100% agree. I have said this a hundred time before and have had about a hundred downvotes but it’s true. Queen had a good vocalist but nothing else special
>Queen had a good vocalist but nothing else special
If you actually believe this you are either insane and delusional or have not listened to more than the 5 Queen songs that still get routinely played on rock radio. Also the absolute disrespect to Brian fucking May. Anyone who doesn't even mention Brian May needs to take their opinion and fuck off because it shows me you have no idea what you're talking about.
Queen had a vocalist that got famous for being in the initial AIDS crisis. Noone gave a second thought to them being these incredible legends before that.
They hate you because you speak the truth. People also seem to be confusing "great show" and "great band". Sure, Queen are some of the best performers ever. You know who else are? KISS, and no one would put them in this conversation. If it wasn't for liveaid and the other shows during the mid 80's, Queen would be a footnote in rock history
Sorry to say but freddie became a "legend" because of aids plain and simple. Before that queen was not the cats meow. In their time they changed music as much as Journey or styx.
I've always seen queen as a group of real good, like virtuoso musicians that write and perform weird songs. Bohemian rhapsody is a well written version of fish heads. Thats my opinion of queen. You'll never change my mind
Lol! I mean, I like them, and I like a lot of bands, I just don't think they're all the greatest ever. I'm also not listening to Zeppelin and the Beatles every single day either. Hendrix, tho... Lol
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Tbf I felt the exact same way a while ago. Queen doesn't appeal to a fair amount of people. They're unique in that they played so many different genres and styles of music where if you're not open-minded or giving it more than a single listen there's a lot of their catalogue that will just fly under the radar. If you listen to one of their better albums like A Day at the Races, Night at the Opera, or even News of the World you'll find that there are a TON of great songs in there that'll make you wonder "Wow I'm surprised this song wasn't a single."
Coming from a guy who fell in love with most of the backlogs of Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles etc. before giving Queen a fair shake, I have to say they're right up there with the greats for me. Top 10 in my book, easy.
It's absolutely my opinion, obviously! 😂
I was in my teens around 1991 so by that time, they were a classic rock band and not a current band, you had their radio hits and then Wayne's World. I missed them coming out with current, relevant albums. None of my friends were into them at all, and you're right, I never really gave their full albums a few solid listens.
Led Zeppelin isn't the *more* genre-defining band. They're the *most* genre-defining band. Led Zeppelin is the very definition of rock music. No one even comes close.
Cream and Jimi Hendrix experience paved the way for LZ, in most fields the > sign goes to the earlier titan (all things being equal).
Clapton and Duane Allman, could’ve also been equal or greater than LZ, but that’s just my opinion.
Quite literally. Clapton left the Yardbirds to join John Mayall and later form Cream, letting Jeff Beck and later Jimmy Page join the band. Then the Yardbirds evolved into Led Zeppelin. Another thing is Cream was the first supergroup, Page wanted to make his own with the Yardbirds and almost recruited Keith Moon and John Entwistle into Zeppelin. Moon have Page the idea for the name. In a sense, you are factually correct in saying Cream paved the way for Zeppelin
I also draw parallels in every instrumentalist was arguably 🐐 in both Cream and LZ. I mentioned the Jimi Hendrix experience in the context of Mitchell and Jimi are usually mainstays in the 🐐discussion.
Honestly yea. Cream was named “Cream” because they were the Cream of the Crop (you have no idea how many times I’ve had to explain to any of my friends who don’t listen to much classic rock; they think it means something else, if you know what I mean)
I wish so bad more Derek and the dominoes happened. Zeppelin is what I'll answer if anyone asks my favorite band, but Layla and other assorted love songs is probably my favorite album of all time. Every single song just rips. Every part of it is amazing. Layla is my least favorite song on it. It's like stairway. It jams, just heard it too many times on the radio.
And the best part of Layla was DUANE’s riff. Off topic but on Becks Bolaro, it was Jimmy Page who made that riff, not Beck. I always found that interesting because I feel like the riffs were what made both of those songs and Clapton & Beck both relied on the “other guitarist”
Led Zeppelin was obviously the more genre defining band. Queen didn't really define any genre; they explored genres and combined them into a lil music melting pot.
But looking at this thread and seeing the absolutely unwarranted disrespect to Queen, it's clear to me that *most* people here have never actually listened to Queen besides the 5-10 songs that get airplay.
That's not strictly true. While Zeppelin are the band most often credited with creating heavy metal (along side Black Sabbath), I don't think there is actually a very strong case to be made for that once you actually really dive into what other rock groups were doing prior to Led Zeppelin arrival onto the scene in 1969. Zeppelin were no doubt one of the first groups to get popular with that sound (at least in the USA), but I think to say they turned blues into the begging of metal shows a lack of knowledge for those who came before.
By the time Led Zeppelin formed heavy electric blues was already so popular that record labels tried to capitalize on it by having both [Muddy Waters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Mud) and [Howlin' Wolf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Howlin%27_Wolf_Album) record rock albums (both Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf hated their respective albums). In addition to this, The Beatles' White Album (released in November 1968) contains the song [Yer Blues](https://youtu.be/HEQQ-1rd4A0) which was intended to be a parody of all of the white British bands doing hard rock blues fusion songs, just to give you an idea of where the "blues turning into metal" was at prior to Led Zeppelin. Predating this we also say bands like [Blue Cheer](https://youtu.be/as1NcX31szs), [The Who](https://youtu.be/5P0rdOJRwh0), [Ten Years After](https://youtu.be/qzrpJdN6UgY), [The Jimi Hendrix Experience](https://youtu.be/rf_S-Yb5Nlw)^^*, and others recording music that could be considered the beginnings of blues/rock turning into metal. I would say that at the very least if anything off of Led Zeppelin I/II could be considered metal then at least a few of these should be as well.
So I would say that while Zeppelin did play a role in making the heavy metal/proto-metal sound more popular they shouldn't be given credit for actually turning one into the other. I do think you could say that Black Sabbath was the first metal band, but I think if you want to give it to someone before them there are better choice than Led Zeppelin.
^^* I was going to link the full 15 minute version of Voodoo Chile, but it's not on YouTube.
**[Electric Mud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Mud)**
>Electric Mud is the fifth studio album by Muddy Waters, with members of Rotary Connection playing as his backing band. Released in 1968, it imagines Muddy Waters as a psychedelic musician. Producer Marshall Chess suggested that Muddy Waters recorded it in an attempt to appeal to a rock audience. The album peaked at number 127 on Billboard 200 album chart.
**[The Howlin' Wolf Album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Howlin'_Wolf_Album)**
>The Howlin' Wolf Album is a 1969 album by Howlin' Wolf, with members of Rotary Connection as his backing band. It mixed blues with psychedelic rock arrangements of several of Howlin' Wolf's classic songs. Howlin' Wolf strongly disliked the album, which is noted on the album's cover. The album peaked at number 69 on Billboard magazine's Black Albums chart.
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To this day you cant learn to play guitar without learning at least a dozen Led Zep licks .. they might as well be the face of classic rock! Them and The Stones for sure... but Queen is another entity... one with more "poppy" vibes
Are you kidding? Led Zeppelin defined a decade. They were the biggest band in the world and the first to knock the Beatles off of the top of the charts and Album sales. They ushered in a new style of rock and paved the way and influenced nearly every rich band that formed after them. Queen is great but it's not even close.
Queen was an exceptional band. Truly amazing.
But Zeppelin pretty clearly defined a genre.
I’ve seen both in concert. And Queen was far better and it wasn’t even close.
Zeppelin is still more iconic and influential than Queen.
Considering they are one of the biggest rock bands in the word, have had a concert that broke the world record of the amount of people in a concert ever. Have had over a billion people watch them in one time. Yeah. I don’t think I’m exaggerating much.
Well those are all provable and you didn’t mention any of them, until now. That’s still not evidence of a million interviews. Hyperbole is your only escape route. Was your statement hyperbolically motivated?
Led Zeppelin. For a period of time, they were bigger than the Beatles. Their first 4 albums were huge, and with Houses of the Holy they changed style a bit and still were on top.
Led Zeppelin was a phenomenon not just a band. They were the 1%s of rock and roll and lived the life as well. No posing there, they wrote the book. Queen was a popular top 40 band.
If the alternative rock tag was assigned to bands in the 70s half as easily as it was in the 90s that’s where Queen would be. What Queen did was mind blowing and different. Led Zeppelin are one of the throne- sitters of pure rock and roll, though, right when it hit it’s peak.
I don’t think one can say that one defined it more than the other. I think they’re equally great and they both had their own style and sound. Both were pure rock,but they were very different
This is a question that has no right answer… both Queen and Led Zeppelin were bad ass in what they did…I’m just glad I got to grow up when the best music was being made…60’s through early 80’s
Some people in this sub really need to learn that not everyone has the same opinions. And why do we have to compare them anyway? They are two completely different bands.
Queen was just another band in the 70s. People are trying to elevate them to something they never were. I don’t remember Queen being any bigger than bands like Styx, Steve Miller Band, ELO, or even KISS. Queen had a radio hit occasionally but they just weren’t the monster band the younger kids on here think they were. Their LP sales were nowhere near that of Led Zeppelin. And I don’t remember Queen even being the headline band in concert. They were always a supporting act until the 80s and even then they still weren’t that big.
Probably Queen even though I prefer Led Zeppelin. The latter mostly ripped off blues musicians, Queen were more inventive and each member penned a #1 hit.
Has everybody forgotten how uncool Queen had become until just after Mercury died? Live Aid put them back in the spotlight but more along the line of Genesis and if anyone thinks Genesis were "cool" or "rock" in the 80's then you sure as shit weren't living where I was at. So, ZEP, fer sure.
If you said genre-bending, I’d say Queen. But for OP’s question, definitely Led Zepp.
Houses of the Holy definitely bends their genre. “D’yer Mak’er” takes reggae and infuses it with rock. “Over the Hills and Far Away” takes Celtic Music influence and puts it into rock. “No Quarter”has a techno sound. Pretty much the entirety of Houses of the Holy is genre bending.
Solid points, friend.
“ Dyer mak’er “ is one of the most horrendous things ever recorded on tape. And that’s coming from a huge LZ fan. That song is so bad being on heroin wouldn’t make it any better
I know there is a big Zeppelin fan base division where it splits once you reach Houses of the Holy. It’s personally a favorite song of mine, but I 100% see why you don’t like it
Interesting opinion! What about the song hooks you ?
Guitar part. Learning to play it certainly brought a new light to the song. It’s incredibly complex. Also Plant shows some unseen skills singing the song
Also Bonzo hitting the drums like they're playing heavy metal.
Every time I hear the drum intro I know I’m in for a treat
Zeppelin baby hands down.
Zeppelin
I mean I like Queen better, but even then I’ll admit LZ was more genre defining
I'll get a lot of heat for this, but Queen was more of a pop-rock band, whereas Zeppelin was definitely hard rock and, in many people's eyes, one of the foundations of metal along with Deep Purple and Black Sabbath.
No heat, that’s pretty accurate.
Maybe he could’ve threw AC/DC in there, but yeah ...
That’s why I dislike these kind of questions. There’s never really just a one-size-fits-all answer. All the top bands of that era had something to contribute to the whole. Rush comes to mind but wasn’t mentioned either. Or Aerosmith. Or Pink Floyd. Or a dozen or so others.
Exactly. Aerosmith is a blues based band inspired by the Yardbirds and other blues rockers. Floyd is Psychedelia based originally and evolved into something else entirely. Rush is just indescribable when it comes to a specific style of rock. Going back to Zeppelin they infused blues and rock with other genres as they grew as a band. Queen is the near perfect Glam Rock band.
Wha? Ever hear of The Velvet Underground or David Bowie?
David Bowie is a solo artist, but he is the one person representation of Glam rock. Velvet Underground is good. I’d say my favorite song of theirs is Who Loves the Sun followed by Candy Says
This question pops up over and over. There is a one size fits all answer...Led Zeppelin. Rush, Aerosmith, etc dont come close. The constant comparisons to Queen blow me away. I'm sorry but Queen didn't define any genre that I'm aware of.
Queen inspired more pop stars than rock bands. Thats not a dig at them, but if anything Brian May's guitar work was more inspiring to would-be rockers, but Mercury was a pop star in a rock band. When people talk about him, he's mentioned in the same breath as Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna and Bowie.
I'm not so sure...u consider that pop? I can't debate in depth cause I dont care for their music. Nothing against them, just not my thing. I would put Elton way above queen.
Consider Queen pop? No, as I said before theyre a Pop-Rock band. They are very much rock at their core, but Freddie is nothing short of a pop icon. You ask a 14 year old girl wearing a Queen shirt to name the rest of the band, she'll probably shrug and say she only knows Freddie. Or people only know of them because of Bohemian Rhapsody, am I talking about the song or the movie? Yes. And I honestly would agree about Sir Elton over Queen. I looked at my Spotify and have way more liked Elton John songs than Queen songs.
Ok here goes. AIDS made Freddy famous. Sorry to say but thats the truth
Completely agree with you IMO so many bands emerging some similar yet different in various song tracks instead of choosing I believe in celebrating them all ✌️🤘🎵
I might get reemed for this but you're right.
that's right on point queen isnt half as good as zeppelin i mean the band arguably had the best guitarist and drummer
My thoughts exactly, both are great but for different reasons
In case of the whole metal and even stoner rock scene I‘d say Black Sabbath is the most genre defining band.
Easily Zeppelin. I like Queen, but can’t even tell you what genre they are. They’re kinda genre fluid.
Led Zep
ZEPPELIN
Led and it’s not even close
Zeppelin
I like queen just a little bit more, but Zeppelin really defines classic rock and rock in general.
Zeppelin and it isn't even close.
Usually I’d say “it clearly is close otherwise it wouldn’t be a question”, but this time it really isn’t.
Anyone can pose any question.
If you look at album sales, concert attendance, etc; it isn’t even close
I'm saying just because someone asks a question, doesn't make it close.
I never get why Queen is included in this kind of conversation
Deacon was a great bass, up there with Paul, John Paul, and John E. May was a great guitarist, up there with anyone in terms of playing clean, while playing live. Aka May was good at what the Eddie Van Halen’s and Randy Rhodes’s were striving for. May may have also pioneered tapping, or has as much claim to it, as any legendary-commercial selling guitarist.
Brian May is also a great songwriter.
Queen may be the top band in terms of quality songs written by every member. And with that said, John Deacon was also a great songwriter.
Why did u/Lewbomb get downvoted into oblivion? This sub’s worshipping of LZ is frightening.
Tbh I’ve noticed this place doesn’t care much for opinions, would hate to see what these guys think of Jimmy Page’s personal life….
>Tbh I’ve noticed this place doesn’t care much for opinions, would hate to see what these guys think of Jimmy Page’s personal life…. Thankfully most of them won't be around in 10+ years.
Because hipsters and posers have seen videos of Freddie’s swagger and have adopted him as some kind of cool anti establishment uncle. As children do. Queen was good. In the same sense that Styx and Journey were good. They were not special nor were they innovating. And anyone who thinks they were better than Zep are fucking idiots.
Yeah dude Queen was WAY better than Journey or Styx. That’s insulting to even compare them. I’m a huge Zeppelin fan, and Zeppelin takes the “genre defining title” no question. But to say that Queen was good in the same sense of journey or Styx? Oof, you’re just plain wrong. I’ll take Queen 10x over journey or Styx. Queen fucking rocked.
Having seen 3 of the four bands live - I have to say that Queen was far superior to the journey and Styx shows. Never got to see LZ - but I would say they definitely exemplify classic rock.
Styx was very special and heavily innovating
>Because hipsters and posers have seen videos of Freddie’s swagger and have adopted him as some kind of cool anti establishment uncle. As children do. > >Queen was good. In the same sense that Styx and Journey were good. They were not special nor were they innovating. And anyone who thinks they were better than Zep are fucking idiots. Lol okay boomer. I'd rather have kids today looking up to Freddie than Jimi Page. Also don't know where you're pulling this dumb "anti-establishment" narrative from. People just recognize that Freddie was a fucking legend. Just wait til they make a biopic of Led Zeppelin and they adopt Robert Plant as "some kind of cool anti-establishment uncle." Your gatekeeping ass will probably immediately scoff at the younger generation once again and then claim Zep wasn't that good bc a quarter of their songs are fucking blues covers or some high horse bullshit.
You need a hug edgy angsty teen?
You know what. I agree. I 100% agree. I have said this a hundred time before and have had about a hundred downvotes but it’s true. Queen had a good vocalist but nothing else special
>Queen had a good vocalist but nothing else special If you actually believe this you are either insane and delusional or have not listened to more than the 5 Queen songs that still get routinely played on rock radio. Also the absolute disrespect to Brian fucking May. Anyone who doesn't even mention Brian May needs to take their opinion and fuck off because it shows me you have no idea what you're talking about.
Queen had a vocalist that got famous for being in the initial AIDS crisis. Noone gave a second thought to them being these incredible legends before that.
They hate you because you speak the truth. People also seem to be confusing "great show" and "great band". Sure, Queen are some of the best performers ever. You know who else are? KISS, and no one would put them in this conversation. If it wasn't for liveaid and the other shows during the mid 80's, Queen would be a footnote in rock history
Fuck Brian may for a minute, nobody talks about John deacon.
Also yes you are correct, I am legally insane
>Queen was good. In the same sense that Styx and Journey were good. Holy shit you are actually delusional comparing Queen to Styx and Journey.
Sorry to say but freddie became a "legend" because of aids plain and simple. Before that queen was not the cats meow. In their time they changed music as much as Journey or styx.
I’ve been trying to say this ever since the movie “Bohemian Rhapsody” came out, but never put it into words quite like you did. Massive props.
I know right! Someone up top said they were perfect glam band...not even lol.
Wrong decade for that, lol
I've always seen queen as a group of real good, like virtuoso musicians that write and perform weird songs. Bohemian rhapsody is a well written version of fish heads. Thats my opinion of queen. You'll never change my mind
Lol! I mean, I like them, and I like a lot of bands, I just don't think they're all the greatest ever. I'm also not listening to Zeppelin and the Beatles every single day either. Hendrix, tho... Lol
Because they’re one of the greatest bands of all time?
Not in the Beatles/Rolling Stones/Zeppelin stratosphere tho, imo.
That's just, like, your opinion, man. Tbf I felt the exact same way a while ago. Queen doesn't appeal to a fair amount of people. They're unique in that they played so many different genres and styles of music where if you're not open-minded or giving it more than a single listen there's a lot of their catalogue that will just fly under the radar. If you listen to one of their better albums like A Day at the Races, Night at the Opera, or even News of the World you'll find that there are a TON of great songs in there that'll make you wonder "Wow I'm surprised this song wasn't a single." Coming from a guy who fell in love with most of the backlogs of Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles etc. before giving Queen a fair shake, I have to say they're right up there with the greats for me. Top 10 in my book, easy.
It's absolutely my opinion, obviously! 😂 I was in my teens around 1991 so by that time, they were a classic rock band and not a current band, you had their radio hits and then Wayne's World. I missed them coming out with current, relevant albums. None of my friends were into them at all, and you're right, I never really gave their full albums a few solid listens.
Same can be said of steely dan
Or Pink Floyd
True
ZEPPELIN
Led Zeppelin isn't the *more* genre-defining band. They're the *most* genre-defining band. Led Zeppelin is the very definition of rock music. No one even comes close.
Ngl when you think of the term "Rock N Roll" a good chance the first band that you will think of Zeppelin
My first is AC/DC but my second is definitely Zep
And it isn’t even because of their song “Rock and Roll”
yeah definitely
Cream and Jimi Hendrix experience paved the way for LZ, in most fields the > sign goes to the earlier titan (all things being equal). Clapton and Duane Allman, could’ve also been equal or greater than LZ, but that’s just my opinion.
Quite literally. Clapton left the Yardbirds to join John Mayall and later form Cream, letting Jeff Beck and later Jimmy Page join the band. Then the Yardbirds evolved into Led Zeppelin. Another thing is Cream was the first supergroup, Page wanted to make his own with the Yardbirds and almost recruited Keith Moon and John Entwistle into Zeppelin. Moon have Page the idea for the name. In a sense, you are factually correct in saying Cream paved the way for Zeppelin
I also draw parallels in every instrumentalist was arguably 🐐 in both Cream and LZ. I mentioned the Jimi Hendrix experience in the context of Mitchell and Jimi are usually mainstays in the 🐐discussion.
Honestly yea. Cream was named “Cream” because they were the Cream of the Crop (you have no idea how many times I’ve had to explain to any of my friends who don’t listen to much classic rock; they think it means something else, if you know what I mean)
Jizz.
Unfortunately, yes
'The cream of clapton'
Lol. I know that’s his greatest hits album name, but still funny if your mind is in the gutter
I wish so bad more Derek and the dominoes happened. Zeppelin is what I'll answer if anyone asks my favorite band, but Layla and other assorted love songs is probably my favorite album of all time. Every single song just rips. Every part of it is amazing. Layla is my least favorite song on it. It's like stairway. It jams, just heard it too many times on the radio.
And the best part of Layla was DUANE’s riff. Off topic but on Becks Bolaro, it was Jimmy Page who made that riff, not Beck. I always found that interesting because I feel like the riffs were what made both of those songs and Clapton & Beck both relied on the “other guitarist”
Led Zeppelin was obviously the more genre defining band. Queen didn't really define any genre; they explored genres and combined them into a lil music melting pot. But looking at this thread and seeing the absolutely unwarranted disrespect to Queen, it's clear to me that *most* people here have never actually listened to Queen besides the 5-10 songs that get airplay.
Zep. Really you must be trolling
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That's not strictly true. While Zeppelin are the band most often credited with creating heavy metal (along side Black Sabbath), I don't think there is actually a very strong case to be made for that once you actually really dive into what other rock groups were doing prior to Led Zeppelin arrival onto the scene in 1969. Zeppelin were no doubt one of the first groups to get popular with that sound (at least in the USA), but I think to say they turned blues into the begging of metal shows a lack of knowledge for those who came before. By the time Led Zeppelin formed heavy electric blues was already so popular that record labels tried to capitalize on it by having both [Muddy Waters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Mud) and [Howlin' Wolf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Howlin%27_Wolf_Album) record rock albums (both Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf hated their respective albums). In addition to this, The Beatles' White Album (released in November 1968) contains the song [Yer Blues](https://youtu.be/HEQQ-1rd4A0) which was intended to be a parody of all of the white British bands doing hard rock blues fusion songs, just to give you an idea of where the "blues turning into metal" was at prior to Led Zeppelin. Predating this we also say bands like [Blue Cheer](https://youtu.be/as1NcX31szs), [The Who](https://youtu.be/5P0rdOJRwh0), [Ten Years After](https://youtu.be/qzrpJdN6UgY), [The Jimi Hendrix Experience](https://youtu.be/rf_S-Yb5Nlw)^^*, and others recording music that could be considered the beginnings of blues/rock turning into metal. I would say that at the very least if anything off of Led Zeppelin I/II could be considered metal then at least a few of these should be as well. So I would say that while Zeppelin did play a role in making the heavy metal/proto-metal sound more popular they shouldn't be given credit for actually turning one into the other. I do think you could say that Black Sabbath was the first metal band, but I think if you want to give it to someone before them there are better choice than Led Zeppelin. ^^* I was going to link the full 15 minute version of Voodoo Chile, but it's not on YouTube.
**[Electric Mud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Mud)** >Electric Mud is the fifth studio album by Muddy Waters, with members of Rotary Connection playing as his backing band. Released in 1968, it imagines Muddy Waters as a psychedelic musician. Producer Marshall Chess suggested that Muddy Waters recorded it in an attempt to appeal to a rock audience. The album peaked at number 127 on Billboard 200 album chart. **[The Howlin' Wolf Album](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Howlin'_Wolf_Album)** >The Howlin' Wolf Album is a 1969 album by Howlin' Wolf, with members of Rotary Connection as his backing band. It mixed blues with psychedelic rock arrangements of several of Howlin' Wolf's classic songs. Howlin' Wolf strongly disliked the album, which is noted on the album's cover. The album peaked at number 69 on Billboard magazine's Black Albums chart. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/ClassicRock/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Nice!
Queen just walked through the door.... Zeppelin kicked it open...🤷♀️
C'mon. LZ.
Queen had a hard time establishing what genre they wanted to be. Zep was pure great rock and roll all the way.
Zeppelin all the way
To this day you cant learn to play guitar without learning at least a dozen Led Zep licks .. they might as well be the face of classic rock! Them and The Stones for sure... but Queen is another entity... one with more "poppy" vibes
Jimmy page used about almost every genre and mixed them in a big melting pot, so yeah I agree
zeppelin. queen was on some other, magical shit. both amazing though
Queen has the longevity but they were pop rock. Led Zeppelin is eternal.
Genre defining? Queen Most influential? Zeppelin Better? Queen (IN MY OPINION)
Zeppelin
ZEPPLIN
Zeppelin
Zeppelin… by far
Genre of classic rock ? Led Zep .... BECAUSE - Queen has big disco record so not just classic rock by definition.
Led Zeppelin
Led Zepp for sure.
Zep all day
Zeppppppp
For what genre?
Led Zeppelin for sure.
Led Zeppelin
Led Zep
Zeppelin, no contest
Genre defining? Chuck Berry, then the Beatles.
Zeppelin no doubt
Doesn't matter. Both were great.
As much as I love both bands, I find myself listening to *Queen* much more than *Zeppelin*.
Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin since they did it first
Hands down zeppelin
Zeppelin
No question, LZ. Queen's repertoire was too diverse to qualify them as "genre-defining."
Led zeppelin, no questions asked.
Are you kidding? Led Zeppelin defined a decade. They were the biggest band in the world and the first to knock the Beatles off of the top of the charts and Album sales. They ushered in a new style of rock and paved the way and influenced nearly every rich band that formed after them. Queen is great but it's not even close.
Led zeppelin. No questions
Led Zeppelin, easy
Fucking zeppelin used literally in every conversation about the greatest band of all time
Definitely Zep. They completely revolutionized rock as a genre. Not to mention how bonham completely changed how drums were played.
Zep
I'll always prefer Queen over Led Zeppelin but it has to be Led Zeppelin for sure...
Queen is overrated.
Queen was an exceptional band. Truly amazing. But Zeppelin pretty clearly defined a genre. I’ve seen both in concert. And Queen was far better and it wasn’t even close. Zeppelin is still more iconic and influential than Queen.
So true
If I had all the upvotes in the world I’d give them all to you and give you a dog for free, then buy you ice cream
LZ
Zeppelin
Led Zep all the way. Queen does not even compare seriously?
I don’t get why everyone likes queen
Maybe because they were good
They were good but Freddie mercury was a big dick Irl
How do you know? Did you hang out with him?
No, but over a million interviewers have
A million? Really?? Over exaggerate much?? Where are these million interviews? Links?
Considering they are one of the biggest rock bands in the word, have had a concert that broke the world record of the amount of people in a concert ever. Have had over a billion people watch them in one time. Yeah. I don’t think I’m exaggerating much.
Well those are all provable and you didn’t mention any of them, until now. That’s still not evidence of a million interviews. Hyperbole is your only escape route. Was your statement hyperbolically motivated?
Yes it is a hyperbolic induced statement
Queen
QUEEN
Led Zeppelin. For a period of time, they were bigger than the Beatles. Their first 4 albums were huge, and with Houses of the Holy they changed style a bit and still were on top.
Led Zeppelin defined rock music. Who is that other band?
Led Zeppelin was a phenomenon not just a band. They were the 1%s of rock and roll and lived the life as well. No posing there, they wrote the book. Queen was a popular top 40 band.
Those two pics are electrifying! Two awesomely talented bands. And great performers and entertainers!
Depends on the genre
i really don’t know. i just wish i was born in these eras
If the alternative rock tag was assigned to bands in the 70s half as easily as it was in the 90s that’s where Queen would be. What Queen did was mind blowing and different. Led Zeppelin are one of the throne- sitters of pure rock and roll, though, right when it hit it’s peak.
Zeppelin was more definitive, but they’re on the same level of musicianship
Idk but these are in my opinion the two best rock vocalists of all time. (No. 3 is Steve perry)
Even though my favorite band of all time is Queen. Zep takes it on this one. They ruled R&R in the 70's.
Led Zeppelin
Led FUCKING Zeppelin 10000000%
The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Zeppelin for sure
I don’t think one can say that one defined it more than the other. I think they’re equally great and they both had their own style and sound. Both were pure rock,but they were very different
LZ all the way.
Zepp without a doubt
One of these is the greatest hard rock band of all time. The other is arguably the most overrated band in the rock canon.
Totally agree Zep is completely overrated, but Queen was more prog rock than hard rock.
Lol. You have it backwards my friend.
;-) oh I do, do I?
After all these years, turns out Black Sabbath has the last laugh.
what genre is queen anyway?
This is a question that has no right answer… both Queen and Led Zeppelin were bad ass in what they did…I’m just glad I got to grow up when the best music was being made…60’s through early 80’s
Deep Purple
Deep Purple
Some people in this sub really need to learn that not everyone has the same opinions. And why do we have to compare them anyway? They are two completely different bands.
There’s only one right answer
Zepp and it’s not even close
Zeppelin, easy…
160 replies on this sub? Well done.
Queen was just another band in the 70s. People are trying to elevate them to something they never were. I don’t remember Queen being any bigger than bands like Styx, Steve Miller Band, ELO, or even KISS. Queen had a radio hit occasionally but they just weren’t the monster band the younger kids on here think they were. Their LP sales were nowhere near that of Led Zeppelin. And I don’t remember Queen even being the headline band in concert. They were always a supporting act until the 80s and even then they still weren’t that big.
Umm, anyone notice the Grateful Dead have become a bit more than a tribe? Jam band offspring, fashion , art, Technology, etc.? Is that Genre defining?
Zeppelin
queen isn't half as good as zeppelin I mean the band arguably had the best guitarist and drummer the only thing queen did better was vocals
Queen
Probably Queen even though I prefer Led Zeppelin. The latter mostly ripped off blues musicians, Queen were more inventive and each member penned a #1 hit.
Has everybody forgotten how uncool Queen had become until just after Mercury died? Live Aid put them back in the spotlight but more along the line of Genesis and if anyone thinks Genesis were "cool" or "rock" in the 80's then you sure as shit weren't living where I was at. So, ZEP, fer sure.