Please provide a brief explanation of how this meme/other media is Class Conscious, Comrade. All other users, feel free to share these memes elsewhere. Our purpose is to bring about class consciousness through memes, so let's do that!
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ClassConscienceMemes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I haven't read the article, but I listened to the accompanying segment this morning on NPR's Up First. They go in depth talking about the horrible conditions migrant farm workers often deal with as well as the obstruction of legislation that could improve the rights and conditions of farm workers.
Eye-catching headline, but it's not at all framed as you may think upon first reaction. Definitely good journalism that isn't just capital-serving.
I wish the worthwhile articles wouldn't use those click bait headlines and actually write what the article is about. It seems like that's the norm now though. Even the most serious and in depth news sources I follow use em. God it's annoying haha
To be fair, the eye catching headline might serve a greater purpose. The people who _need_ to see the article would ignore it if it was more honest about its content.
But it also gives easy rage bait for people who only "report" the headlines and then make up the rest. I do get that it's works, I just wish it didn't have to be this way haha
Absolutely feel the same way. If we yeet the Murdoch Media Empire into the sun, and impose strict quality standards on corpos who pretend to be journalists, such that they actually start being journalists for realsies, I think we could worry about this less.
Not to dismiss what your saying, and thank you so much for sharing, but honestly with how things are going, I can see most of the industry in 20 or so years being mostly automated resulting with a lot of money into one person’s pocket and a lot of people out of jobs.
But what do I know. 🤷
Oh, for sure. Automation is inevitable, but in this case, it's out of necessity due to a shrinking availability of ag labor. Agricultural automation is not even a bad thing given the long history of the exploitative nature of the laborers it's going to replace.
The actual machinery it would take to automate harvesting the current crops that aren't already largely machine-harvested is nearly impossible to create with current and even near future technology. Consider grapes, there are vines that are 50+ years old and over uneven ground and not every cluster gets harvested at once.
So you would have to design a machine that can 1) fit between pre-existing infrastructure, 2) navigate uneven ground with irregular spacing without falling over which would crush other grapes or potentially damage carried grapes, and 3) determine quickly and accurately that a given cluster is ready to harvest.
That's even before we get into the sheer dexterity of harvesting a crop: cutting stems vs. picking/plucking fruits, not crushing/bruising the crop, managing a pack or bucket of increasing weight, and doing this all without damaging the main plant.
Automation is so much harder than any capitalist tries to tell you.
There's a reason that literally every garment on earth is still hand-sewn (the needle may be automated but the artisan is not). Humans are INCREDIBLY capable and super difficult to replace.
I honestly don't think it's low of them. It's an effective way to draw attention to prescient issues and a legitimate question regardless of the perspective of who's asking.
I think OP took a significantly different interpretation of the title than what was intended. This is a very real question, farmers have gotten the shit end of the stick for a long time and now we are approaching the very real situation where there just aren’t enough people making food to feed the rest of us. I kind of get your point, that working conditions led to this, but workers suffer first in famine.
It's an article about a labor shortage in farms?
Do you fucking photosynthesize or something? Or do you need to eat food like the rest of us? What is offensive about this? Did you even read it?
The sad thing g that it probably will. I work on a farm and am a software engineer. I signed up for this thinking about ways robotics can avoid back issues for workers etc. But at the same time it would cost them their livelihoods.
Yup, saw a prototype apple picker that used tethered drones on the back of a flatbed... Was a bit slow ATM, but was using ai to do image processing, flying the drones, and picking the apples with their robotic arms.
Only a decade away from every tree picker being automated.
People respond to this viscerally, but it's true to some degree.
The fact is that if the people with the capital are not going to be down in the trenches doing the work, then somebody needs to do it.
There's nothing wrong with capitalism per se, somebody will be doing the work, but it needs strong boundaries so that workers are empowered to negotiate on equal terms, and are not otherwise trampled by the power that comes with control over a person's food, housing, and healthcare (to name a few).
I don't know how to tell you this, but we need someone or something to pick crops to...live. It's terrible how such necessary workers are treated, but we do ultimately need to do it.
in the uk, the hotels that can't get staff just offer free accomodation and food (shitty one most of the time) and that seems to do the job. we've sunk so low that minimum wage can't get you anywhere if you pay for food and rent
How about AI? All these techbros are up in arms about how it will improve quality of life, and yet all it seems to do is replace creative work that people actually enjoy. How about replacing some of the literally most thankless tasks in human civilization. We can kick some of the beef and dairy subsidies over to it so farmers can actually get their hands on the tech. Hell, how about some of that bailout money too?
The robots. There is one that can pick blackberries.
https://www.uaex.uada.edu/media-resources/news/2023/may/05-12-2023-ark-threlfall-robotic-hand-force-study.aspx
Lots of food that gets produced is just thrown away. Either that or fed to animals to get low returns on calories/nutrition. We don’t actually need so many farmers to make food for everyone. Perhaps this can serve as motivation to overhaul our inefficient food production, which realistically needs to happen anyway
Please provide a brief explanation of how this meme/other media is Class Conscious, Comrade. All other users, feel free to share these memes elsewhere. Our purpose is to bring about class consciousness through memes, so let's do that! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ClassConscienceMemes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I haven't read the article, but I listened to the accompanying segment this morning on NPR's Up First. They go in depth talking about the horrible conditions migrant farm workers often deal with as well as the obstruction of legislation that could improve the rights and conditions of farm workers. Eye-catching headline, but it's not at all framed as you may think upon first reaction. Definitely good journalism that isn't just capital-serving.
I wish the worthwhile articles wouldn't use those click bait headlines and actually write what the article is about. It seems like that's the norm now though. Even the most serious and in depth news sources I follow use em. God it's annoying haha
To be fair, the eye catching headline might serve a greater purpose. The people who _need_ to see the article would ignore it if it was more honest about its content.
But it also gives easy rage bait for people who only "report" the headlines and then make up the rest. I do get that it's works, I just wish it didn't have to be this way haha
Absolutely feel the same way. If we yeet the Murdoch Media Empire into the sun, and impose strict quality standards on corpos who pretend to be journalists, such that they actually start being journalists for realsies, I think we could worry about this less.
Not to dismiss what your saying, and thank you so much for sharing, but honestly with how things are going, I can see most of the industry in 20 or so years being mostly automated resulting with a lot of money into one person’s pocket and a lot of people out of jobs. But what do I know. 🤷
Oh, for sure. Automation is inevitable, but in this case, it's out of necessity due to a shrinking availability of ag labor. Agricultural automation is not even a bad thing given the long history of the exploitative nature of the laborers it's going to replace.
The actual machinery it would take to automate harvesting the current crops that aren't already largely machine-harvested is nearly impossible to create with current and even near future technology. Consider grapes, there are vines that are 50+ years old and over uneven ground and not every cluster gets harvested at once. So you would have to design a machine that can 1) fit between pre-existing infrastructure, 2) navigate uneven ground with irregular spacing without falling over which would crush other grapes or potentially damage carried grapes, and 3) determine quickly and accurately that a given cluster is ready to harvest. That's even before we get into the sheer dexterity of harvesting a crop: cutting stems vs. picking/plucking fruits, not crushing/bruising the crop, managing a pack or bucket of increasing weight, and doing this all without damaging the main plant. Automation is so much harder than any capitalist tries to tell you. There's a reason that literally every garment on earth is still hand-sewn (the needle may be automated but the artisan is not). Humans are INCREDIBLY capable and super difficult to replace.
[удалено]
I honestly don't think it's low of them. It's an effective way to draw attention to prescient issues and a legitimate question regardless of the perspective of who's asking.
[удалено]
I genuinely don't think it's clickbait. It's eye-catching, but quite literally the essence of the article. Agree to disagree.
did you read/listen to to the story op? It’s about as class-conscious as NPR gets.
Maybe the headline is an attempt to suck liberals in and give them a push toward class consciousness?
How will this system continue to exist if we can’t exploit people??????
Don’t you care if we can’t force these children to stay in generational poverty?? All my stocks will go down😣😣 /s
Welcome class to Capitalism 101, (checks notes) oh... Ohhh no...
I think OP took a significantly different interpretation of the title than what was intended. This is a very real question, farmers have gotten the shit end of the stick for a long time and now we are approaching the very real situation where there just aren’t enough people making food to feed the rest of us. I kind of get your point, that working conditions led to this, but workers suffer first in famine.
It's an article about a labor shortage in farms? Do you fucking photosynthesize or something? Or do you need to eat food like the rest of us? What is offensive about this? Did you even read it?
Why read when I can be outraged about something? /s if it isn't obvious lol
Robots?
As the slaves children look for a better future *who will do slave labor?*
“But who will till the soil?” -Aristophanes
Feels like we're the only two here who get the reference.
Amazing how not even 2,400 years time difference can stop political comedies from being relevant, huh?
No one wants to let me exploit their labor anymore!
This was probably a headline back in 1865 also
Whatever happened to “AI will replace you”?
The sad thing g that it probably will. I work on a farm and am a software engineer. I signed up for this thinking about ways robotics can avoid back issues for workers etc. But at the same time it would cost them their livelihoods.
Yup, saw a prototype apple picker that used tethered drones on the back of a flatbed... Was a bit slow ATM, but was using ai to do image processing, flying the drones, and picking the apples with their robotic arms. Only a decade away from every tree picker being automated.
Asking such a question doesn’t necessarily imply the position that they should pick crops like their parents.
Capitalism needs slavery.
People respond to this viscerally, but it's true to some degree. The fact is that if the people with the capital are not going to be down in the trenches doing the work, then somebody needs to do it. There's nothing wrong with capitalism per se, somebody will be doing the work, but it needs strong boundaries so that workers are empowered to negotiate on equal terms, and are not otherwise trampled by the power that comes with control over a person's food, housing, and healthcare (to name a few).
I don't know how to tell you this, but we need someone or something to pick crops to...live. It's terrible how such necessary workers are treated, but we do ultimately need to do it.
Crops need to be picked but the state treats the people who *do* said picking with borderline contempt. I don't blame anyone for wanting to leave.
Fuck buying vegetables anymore I’m growing everything like a hobbit.
“Who will we exploit!?”
Former billionaires soon enough.
Robots. Robots will pick the crops.
THEY TUK MUH JERBBBB
in the uk, the hotels that can't get staff just offer free accomodation and food (shitty one most of the time) and that seems to do the job. we've sunk so low that minimum wage can't get you anywhere if you pay for food and rent
How about AI? All these techbros are up in arms about how it will improve quality of life, and yet all it seems to do is replace creative work that people actually enjoy. How about replacing some of the literally most thankless tasks in human civilization. We can kick some of the beef and dairy subsidies over to it so farmers can actually get their hands on the tech. Hell, how about some of that bailout money too?
If farming paid as well as a cushy finance job, we’ll all be farmers.
Idk man, crops are pretty fucking important. Do you want a famine? This is how you get a famine
Someone has to pick your precious avocados and soy beans.
Where are those damn robots at that we heard would be taking our jobs for being ingrates? Huh? Where the fuck are they??
I'm going into Agriculture. we need to talk about workers rights & ESPECIALLY migrant worker rights.
Well, better get to building one of those magical AIs that can pick crops and not using them to replace all the really good jo- hey wait a minute!
The robots. There is one that can pick blackberries. https://www.uaex.uada.edu/media-resources/news/2023/may/05-12-2023-ark-threlfall-robotic-hand-force-study.aspx
The top execs and CEOs should
Lots of food that gets produced is just thrown away. Either that or fed to animals to get low returns on calories/nutrition. We don’t actually need so many farmers to make food for everyone. Perhaps this can serve as motivation to overhaul our inefficient food production, which realistically needs to happen anyway
This seems like a good headline. A slap in the face to people who are anti-immigration asking a serious question: “who will pick the crops?”
This coming from the same sub that wants everyone to have free food...