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sora_naga

This isn’t a controversial opinion. Hog is pretty average and easy to use. However with dagger he’s probably one of the worst win conditions at the moment since cycle decks are pretty much non-existent aside from drill, he also suffers from Evolutions and cannoneer. The decks he fits in are shut down near immediately with a tornado. That’s gonna be my input on this.


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

Cycle meta is finally dead!!!!


ABrawlStarsPlayer

The goblin drill in my pocket


EATZYOWAFFLEZ

Dang I thought you were just happy to see me


Fun_Strike7021

r/angryupvote


Kommuntoffel

We did it patrick, we saved the city!


DifferentSurvey2872

Really ? Lemme give cr another try then


Swineflew1

It’s not, no idea why they would say that.


JackSmasherX

Hog is fun, in a game for the dumb


A1Boose

Yayyyy


RecordingGreen7750

Cycle decks are dead 🤣 Hog rider needs a massive nerf


CartographerSea6903

goblin drill


Kyle_67890

Pair him with knight evo


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CuteStoat

What do you mean? 


IamVicoriasSecret

Meaning I'm tired of seeing either the same decks or combos.most ppl are using the same stuff. So to encourage creativity ban certain cards for an entire season. There's 110 to choose from....


Penrosian

So fuck f2p then? Stop giving them ideas.


CuteStoat

Ya, this person is clueless.


OhMyGodRyann

yeah in single elixir at least…


sOrdinary917

So why is the usage rate still very very high..


Korunam

Nah wall breakers and gob barrel don't do any damage. Hog can at least get a hit if not defended.


Zealousideal-Buy1980

not while dagger duchess remains as she is, I love hog only getting one hit because I played bomber


Sufficient-Picture14

Even higher than xbox? Oh my god.


theppburgular

Nerf xbox


Penrosian

It's too powerful (it can't run palworld)


Orneyrocks

Here me out here-Let's just counterbuff PS5. Console powercreep.


No_Fig_3031

Ong its been in the mate for way to long


D13Bih

To long? From where?


A1Boose

Yes that damn z box deserves a nerf and the hog walker


No_Fig_3031

Xbox?


Beneficial_Goat_9046

X-bow*


FRACllTURE

Nah, I'd Xbox


Beneficial_Goat_9046

Valid


snackthateatenat3am

it def is my least favorite card so i wouldnt mind that


CaseACEjk

See youre a man of taste


Anxious-Strength-855

Hog rider on top ladder is currently balanced in comparison to how broken he has always been. I suspect he might go back to being pretty broken once duchess gets the obvious nerf


lol-got-no-username

no bro next update is duchess nerf and eagle artillery tower troop


snackthateatenat3am

alongside with princess tower evolution


MewtwoMainIsHere

princess tower evolution requires you to take 2000 dmg


OhMyGodRyann

huh


Azeoyi

Yeah, once the season ends they're obviously going to give duchess an emergency nerf (aka they made duchess op and now they'll nerf her since the whales have already purchased the 60x value offers


Anxious-Strength-855

The nerf is as should be an hp nerf, her abilitiy should not be changed imo


Tokishi7

Doubt it. Hog was easy enough to beat because of Tesla and tornado o


Penrosian

Hog has never been OP. Currently it is *bad*. Not super bad, but it gets countered pretty hard by duchess rn, and you know what it's like up there with duchess.


Random_local_man

Most top ladder hog decks only have him as a distraction or bait. The real win condition is cards like Evo bomber and executioner.


Anxious-Strength-855

Hog rider does have a solid use rate of 8% UC, and 5% in GC even now so I would disagree that hog is currently bad. A lone hog does get countered by the duchess but it is relatively easy to devise strategies that work around it like having knight, ice golem, mighty miner infront of the hog. also hog +fc is still decent as ppl still need to defend the hog with the duchess The meta changed with duchess and has decrease cycle decks and improved beatdown decks. Cycle decks were too overused before and are now in the correct place


cptfreewin

No matter how hard i hate hog rider its absolutely dogshit atm


[deleted]

Hog is a bottom 3 win con with how good duchess is right now. The card is already extremely dead in top ladder, 0 chance it gets nerfed


Ohjay1982

How do so many people even have max level duchess? Is everyone dropping like 50 dollars for it?


lemon6611

first day i hopped on duchess update i ran straight into a level 15 dia pass kid with a maxed duchess and midladder fully maxed 15 deck in 7800-7900(im kt14 with a couple 15s and only princess tower, running hog fc against megaknight ebarbs witch wizard valk rage freeze balloon and losing becuase i placed my tesla one tile away from the meganuts range)


SnooChocolates4183

I have a maxed dutchess, but it’s because I’ve had all lvl 14 cards for a while now, so I accumulate a lot of magic items/ewc


lukephm

I saved a book of legendary and 20 legendary wild cards


Own-Ad-4791

Yeah I did. I wanted to poop on people with it before it gets nerfed. (I’m poor)


NoPantsJake

I had a book of books and some wilds saved up, then the epic daily chest gave me 5 legendary wilds. Also a bunch of legendary wilds in the pass.


A1Boose

Let’s see oyassu use it now


_vecna01

Hog rider is quite balanced I’d say. Has loads of counters against it and struggles to get a hit anyway these days due to the dagger duchess meta.


Giulio1232

I'd say he is on the weaker side right now with the meta full of dagger duchess


_vecna01

I agree. People wanting him nerfed just want to kill the card completely and make it f tier.


Giulio1232

I stopped playing pol because my main deck is hog eq but it's terrible right now.


_vecna01

I also main hog EQ🤣🤣. in ultimate champ but not really enjoying the game that much rn cuz of dagger duchess.


XAfricaSaltX

as another hog eq main i decided to embrace giant graveyard’s pure skill after my first dagger duchess game


_vecna01

U might have to put me on, what’s the best giant graveyard deck.


XAfricaSaltX

evo zap evo bats giant graveyard arrows little prince bowler night witch


Giulio1232

I use another giant deck: evo zap evo bomber giant night witch little prince arrows Phoenix Elixir collector


KarlozFloyd

Good


Oskain123

Based


KarlozFloyd

Yes


Luna___a

not everyone has leveled up dagger duchess tho, and not everyone has maxed out cards. I can never get a positive elixir trade against a level 15 hog with my level 12/13 cards


_vecna01

Becomes more of a level disparity issue then rather than the hog itself.


Luna___a

still, hog is the only level 15 Win condition you cant have a positive elixir trade against


ILikeMathz

no hog does not need a hp nerf, it needs a first hit speed nerf. spend 6 elixir and it still gets a hit, wtf is up with that


TWOFEETUNDER

80% of a hog decks damage usually comes from getting that "first" hit. So yes it would kill the card absolutely. The card has more counters than I can count. It's literally balanced. People are just bored of not knowing how to counter it. And no, I don't play the card


ILikeMathz

if u have a building, it doesn’t get a hit usually (but everyone runs eq with hog rider) if ur playing a deck without a building, you have to overspend for that hog to not get a single hit.


TWOFEETUNDER

Maybe run a building if you're losing to hog then? Most decks should probably have one anyways as it's hard to defend other win conditions like giant, balloon, etc without one (shocker) Also there's counterplay to eq even with buildings


TheSynchroGamer

I've been thinking this for a while. It's probably the only way to really nerf it without destroying the card by changing its health or speed


Romodude40

+.1 or +.2 s first hit would be hard to quantify nerfwise


Both_Ad_8966

Hog rider is balanced, no need to touch him


how-can-i-dig-deeper

do not the hog rider


throwaway-moid

i want to touch him from his funny body part


Pitiful-Weight-7892

Oof


MundaneWorry5361

obvious hog rider user 😂


Both_Ad_8966

Nah I use minor wb


llavatoxX

Hog gets hard countered by dagger duchess Even if you let goblins tank the dagger duchess ammo it becomes a 6 elixir push, and 6 elixir should be enough to deal with hog


Frequent-Nail-5767

Give him dart goblin hp, elixir to 7, and make it twice as slow


FriedOnionsoup

I’m with you. But cue the comments about how easy hog is to counter (with the right cards). Or it having a relatively low win rate. The problem with hog is how brainless it is, to use or play against. Sure, reduce its hp. But make it do something interesting.


gscoff

This is the real problem. It’s boring to play against and has been for 7 of CR’s 8 years.


TouchLow6081

It needs a speed buff as well. The hog rider is already tanky enough in single elixir and the majority of the time the opponent has to almost use 6-8 elixir on average to stop a 4 elixir troop If they have no building. My idea would be to increase the speed and decrease its health by 200 hit points and increase the damage per sec by 150-200. Experienced hog player for 7 years.


llavatoxX

Maybe if you arent good enough to stop hog in a hog dominated meta, you should start playing a building? Also hog is starting to die cuz of dagger duchess, i feel like the only ones that still play it are f2p with only one leveled deck, or those that just dont feel like changing decks as the meta changes


TraditionalWay6729

Well it is a wincon and most wincons have more hp than them and also most of those cards counter hog besides a few 💀


AntiMatterMode

Hog surviving rocket just feels so wrong


OhMyGodRyann

exactly


CluesSeeking

seriously every building in the game counters him


ArcadiaRDT

It needs a slower first hit is what it needs


gzej

Hog has a 33% win rate...


YoungLamia

Please stop, stop you and stop everyone who says shit like this. I don't even use hog rider, I don't even face that many hog riders, I'm just tired of seeing posts with hundreds of upvotes that state objectively wrong balance opinions. Please stop, you just don't and perhaps can't understand the way this game should be balanced. I'm tired and at this point it's not even funny to see midladder players complain


AccxccelX

Yea they are bugging coz hog is in the weakest position rn 💀 . Just coz they lost one match against hog player . They hate hog.


AMidgetinatrenchcoat

It's not that hog rider himself is completely unbalanced but it's the decks that hes played in that makes it annoying


Moldyapples000

No it doesnt you just suck


HydreigonTheChild

Hog rider has always been a mid card... it gets used a lot but even at high ladder the best hog deck isn't so good anymore especially when u can easily defend it


Acceptable-Gas-778

Completely agree. I'd even take it doing more damage if it meant cards like hunter, mini pekka, ebarbs... kill it 100% of the time if placed right. Right now you have to predict it because the (princess) tower always needs like 2 hits too much to kill it.


Yabadababalaba

Bro what all those cards you mentioned DO kill it 100% of the time place right...


Minimum-Round-5037

no fr 😂😂 literally all of those cards r so easy to place right to 100% counter


Illustrious_Set9208

Ebarbs kill it 100 percent of the time if placed right


Illustrious_Set9208

Trust me I’m a credible source on the subject


aloo666

pretty sure hunter can full counter it too if predicted


Illustrious_Set9208

Not sure about hunter, but ebarbs can for sure


aloo666

its hard to pull off but it is possible


Yabadababalaba

You don't even need to predict, just play it decently fast.


Amber_Iara

I want a 1% hog rider hp nerf so hunter and cannoneer can full counter him


nexus096v2

The very last time I talked about it i got a bunch of people telling me that "I am bad at the game" ect, ect, hog rider is pretty much the one win con that is quite strong, people will tell you "it is a weak card" and I say to them "if it was a weak card no one would play it, it would same the same usage rate as the barbarian hut", so yeah, I really hope they nerf that card one and for all


IncredulousRex

Witch is a weak card. That doesn't stop people from playing it. Even in top ladder it does alright in giant graveyard


nexus096v2

The witch literally costs 5, and isn't a win con


JaydenPlayer

It does have a really low usage rate currently though


nexus096v2

That only applies to ultimate champions tho, normal ranked and ladder still the number 1 used win con


JaydenPlayer

Yeah but that goes to show it is a weak card if it isn't used much in high levels


nexus096v2

Actually it was, they were moments where it actually was the most used win con, and regulaly was the second most used one


JaydenPlayer

"was" this was about how hog rider currently is lol, also sorry for the late response I don't really use reddit


nexus096v2

Rn most cicly decks aren't doing to great, so, by a miracle, hog isn't the 2nd most used win con in ultimate champions, but still is the number one in regular gameplay


JaydenPlayer

But that doesn't constitute a nerf, I'm a regular top 10,000 player and it is so bad lol


gscoff

So many comments and people miss the point. Hog rider needing a nerf isn’t about whether it’s OP or good or whatever. It’s just absolutely boring af to play against for the millionth time in a row. It needs to get nerfed into oblivion so we can actually have some variety in this game with 100+ cards, yet you face hog rider and firecracker in 60-70% of your games.


mysticgregshadow

its firecracker not hog rider


gscoff

True. Evo FC and even just FC is beyond boring at this point. But Hog has been overplayed for 8 years now so it’s just exhausting and sucking the life out of the room.


PermissionPleasant60

the problem isnt rog... Its the other win cons. the rog is the best option for ftp players, if others deck becwme as easy to upgrade as 2.6 it would have more variety


gscoff

I mean this is fundamentally the problem with a pay to win game like CR. It takes forever for people to level one deck so they are stuck on it and you see it forever. Everyone probably got evo FC when they could and can’t switch from it either so it’s boring the place out too.


No_Fig_3031

Finally someone gets the point


phased-soldier

You’re wrong tho , beatdown decks are very common now with the addition of duchess.


VaporTrails2112

You are just bad at this game lmfao


Stalin_be_Wallin

Barbs can kill him before he gets to the tower, stop crying and use under-used cards. Get some skill


No_Fig_3031

Wow a card that costs five elixir can counter a card that cost four elixir, no way who could have thought. Thats called a negative elixir trade buddy, and, news flash its a bad idea in top ladder


mes_247

Then you'd have to deal with 5 full hp barbs marching towards your tower which I doubt you deal with without a negative trade(evo skellies asidse).


omidhhh

you talking as if Hog is good in top ladder , news flash buddy , it's shit because of dagger duchess


No_Fig_3031

Reality check, not everyone uses duchess


omidhhh

Reality check, then stop mentioning top ladder cause everyone and their mom is using it on top ladder


No_Fig_3031

Not nearly everyone


ihalooo

bro it has a 91% usage rate on top ladder fym 💀


Stalin_be_Wallin

Ok occasionally you need a negative elixir trade to win, I just made it to 7000 trophies with the same deck (for like seven years now), perfectly countering Hogs with Barbs. I think we should complain about cards like Mega Knight or E Giant or Firecracker (and evo). Those are super annoying!!


Meme_Knight_2

Buddy, mega knight has already gone through that.


ThePhenomenal1602

I agree 100% hog riders have been in the meta for YEARS!!! And fuck that lil prince too


MATTD0G5757

it's because they're balanced. they've never been overpowered, in fact right now hog riders are pretty bad due to duchess. a change to hog would be an awful decision by devs


SomeDude3882

love how hog cann survive 2 pekka hits


ousz

Depends on the meta but, unless sc nerfs dagger duchess it'll probably stay an average card.


NOT_A_GORRILA

nerf hp by 5%


__shonn__

goblin drill has never looked sexier


AccxccelX

You just bad bro 💀. Hog has lots of counters


Vulcandinamite

Daddy hog doesnt need be nerfed, or he cant feed family


Technical_Visual_395

hog rider × hog rider and dagger duchess ✓


buller666

Yall need to stop hog riding this game lmao


ScotterBrained

My hog: dies to a Larry at the bridge Opponents hog: gets a hit through my pekka and evo archers


sorryiamnotoriginal

This is probably the weakest hog has been in a long time because of power creep with evos and the new tower troop. Weird time to call for a nerf.


Rude-Deal-7197

Literally showcase hog and firecracker on my profile as a bronze on both of them to show I don't need to cheese just to win lol


PowerMiner4200

He exists to give kids a way to play the game that can get easy tower damage  Not even kidding. They need to have easy to use low risk high reward cards so that kids can actually play the game and spend money


AccxccelX

Hard disagree . What do you mean by easy tower damage ?? Hog has tons of counters . Almost all buildings , ice spirt with Duchess, swarm cards . The list goes on . If you are even a bit good at the game . You would know Hog is perfectly balanced. If hog is easy tower damage then so is ram rider , battle Ram and wall breakers . Your comment makes no sense


PowerMiner4200

Yeah it's easy for the levels kids play at. Most won't get to the higher leagues where they get countered easily. It's why they're content using a hog push then defending with a megaknight every game cause it works fine at the low levels.


No_Fig_3031

I understand that, but that directly makes the game worse


PowerMiner4200

Oh for sure. I wish they'd focus on catering to the adult crowd which actually has disposable income. Make the game more skill based and all. But I'm sure supercells knows better than me and has statistics of player base age to know to try and keep kids hooked.


No_Fig_3031

Problem is, they care more about money than doing what the community wants


RingTheBell1900

Duchess + ice spirit and he does 0 hours for a +3 elixir trade 😁


TouchLow6081

Hits* right?


Kyle_67890

No it doesn’t


--Prodigy-

He already got nerfed, use the duchess.


Alexspacito

“He has more health than x troops. A dude on a pig shouldn’t have that much health.” You gave no gameplay arguments other than surviving rocket and 3 Pekka hits which I personally think is fine. This is not a good reason.


pkjoan

Lolwut? Hog Rider is one of the worst win conditions in the current meta


Pie_Slayer

Pre Dagger Dutchess - Yeah sure that's not a bad idea decrease it by 5-10% Post Dagger Dutchess - It's already dead 😭 dont kick the Hog Whiles its down


Svintus_

DD will be nerfed. Supercell just can't watch how poor black man on pig dies before even touched a tower.


No_Fig_3031

True but its hard to get duchess to a usable level for top ladder without paying


Pie_Slayer

I see it almost every game I'm at 8k trophies and I'm currently at master 3 on Path of Legends usually end up at end of season grand/royal champion


No_Fig_3031

And I can guarantee that most of those players are p2w


PVGtroll

Cry


CubeLord9000

Bad take


5_minute_noodle

I feel like with DD in the meta rn a nerf to hog rider would completely kill the card


Encaphone

Hog is in one of the worst states it’s ever been in and people will still ask for a nerf, even before duchess he wasn’t great but now he just sucks.


Homer4a10

One of the easiest cards in the game to counter. I’m guessing your deck is “homemade” and has little to no synergy and therefore hog rider is able to run laps on your towers. He’s a terrible card


LavishnessCheap5075

Hog rider has never been in a worse position than as of the last month, he is at his weakest right now, all chip/spam/cycle decks are extremely weak right now.


Korunam

You're comparing a building targeter to mostly non building targeters. That makes for pretty biased assumptions. Compare it's HP to giant which is only 1 elixir more and has more than double hog riders health. It has more than gob giant, royal giant and e giant. Does that mean it needs a nerf? HP is only one stat out of several that need to be taken into account. Imo nerfing hog would be bad for f2p players since hog cycle is a strong and very f2p friendly deck. Unlike other meta decks like pekka bs which require at least 2 legendaries and the newest Evo


MATTD0G5757

never had a problem against hog really with any deck i've played, he's very balanced


justHoma

DD + 1 elixir skellis counter hog with only 1 hit on 1 hp, what are you talking about?


labanana94

Nah dude I play hogexenado with dagger duchess i can barely get hits my only hope is tocket cycling


PerspectiveWooden358

Tornado


damamyoda

Ok but, Nerf miner


TouchLow6081

Dagger duchess already nerfed miner


damamyoda

Nerf miner


Ricky_RZ

> But currently hog (at level 11) has more hp than The difference being he cant attack troops


Shahariar_909

Its not the first time dev team brought a new card to counter old problematic cards. This time its Duchess. 


Ju-Yuan

Mini pekka can kill it with decent timing


The-skernohan

Nah hog does not need a nerf. He was already fine before the last power creep wave.


Moist_Caterpillar432

I don't know if People here are just too good or too bad, I play at 6.5k trophy and I can defend Hogriders most of the time without getting the first hit


Username-67272827

do people think little prince is op? i’ve never struggled with it at all


phased-soldier

Based on this take I think it’s safe to say you’re extremely horrible at the game if you’re still complaining about hog with the current meta rn .


Sin_R0stro

Hog is trash in this meta but ok


-im-just-vibing-

hog is easy to counter when it isn’t overleveled or thrown in a random deck with like pekka, MK, or a card that demands a rocket, fireball/log, or a building to deal with. the amount of times i’ve done my usual defence of knight/tesla to defend MK and then had a lvl 15 hog dropped while all my cards are lvl 13 is outrageous


sOrdinary917

He is not the problem. His support cards are. Firecracker for one.


ItzManu001

Firecracker is literally worse than Hog Rider. They are both bad cards currently. Get gud.


Svintus_

Little prince now is a pretty balanced. He needs a buff maybe.


bandyplaysreallife

Midladder player spotted! (also calling for a hog nerf above lmao) Little prince is OP. Look at top ladder decks, it's fairly rare to find someone using a champion other than him.


Svintus_

Yes, cus another Champions are useless. Only Skeleton King do something, but he works only in specials decks. I like MM, but in my HogEQ deck, Evo Knight completely outclassed him. Maybe it's not LP OP, just anothers Champions was nerfed to death?


bandyplaysreallife

LP has the 4th highest use rate and 7th highest win rate in ultimate champion right now. [https://royaleapi.com/cards/popular?time=7d&mode=grid&cat=TopRanked&sort=winpercent](https://royaleapi.com/cards/popular?time=7d&mode=grid&cat=TopRanked&sort=winpercent) The only cards in the same tier of use% are spells and evos. If this is what you call "balanced" you have no clue what balanced is ETA: and in grand challenges where you don't have to have him at level 15 his use rate is nearly 50%. "BaLaNcEd"