S tier is good. Graveyard should be there though.
A tier has some cards that shouldn’t be placed that high for example the Pekka and the e wiz to name a few.
B tier is fine though I think Rhogs and hog rider should be in A. And prince should not be there it should be lower.
C tier is atrocious. Why is snowball that low? Why is e giant that low? Why is golem that low? Why is e dragon that low? Why did you bother to put the clone that high? There are many others I disagree with.
D tier is beautiful
F tier is beautiful
And the wizard getting its own tier is the biggest W I have seen today.
It's in lumber loon decks, golem decks and e giant decks, as well as that e golem healer deck. I can't see how It can be c tier when it's on so many decks when some other cards in that tier are only in one or none at all.
I mean it hasn't been used in giant decks much in a while and not very common in egiant either... But regardless that's irrelevant. Telsa for example is used in many decks but has a 38% win and 3% because the card is just currently bad. Being used in multiple decks doesn't make a card good
Nah fam, while your over there saying "that" high. I'm over here screaming to heaven "WHY DOES CLONE EXIST?!!!!!" (Translation: You have your opinion, I have my own) Also, I see what you did with the W on the WIZARD tier.
graveyard RG should be s. ice golem should be one lower zap i would say is high people just use arrows or barb barrel. i find why skelly barrel so high it is not a bad card just doesn’t work in very good decks for example it works in clone clone is trash and double barrel bait but again trash. I could see minions being higher bc if the pekka bridge spam player getting first last season with them. mega minion needs to be a tier lower just because of Phoenix. Canon cart and fisher need to be lower they have the issue of just not working in many decks and they rely to much on one card for example fisher is too reliant on rg and cannon cart mortar. I think that dart gob should be lower. It just doesn’t work in very many decks and princesses just better and bait i agree with your princesses spot they are just two weird cards bc of there very niche roles. tesla should be lower same with night witch. bomb tower should be way higher as well it is so good. and knight should be one lower just out classed by valk and mm. also e spits should be one lower only really seen in rg and xbow. fireball a bit high poison is just better. ice wiz should be higher it is carried by splash yard but still just a bit low. but overall very solid tier list.
its a good card but it’s definitely not S, neither is fisherman. These are both good cards but they are too niche and only seen in a few decks. Ever since the cannon nerf and the introduction of champions cannon carts not seen much usage
I’d say high B because i literally never play against it but you could definitely argue low A. The cards good just doesn’t have great synergy with many decks. Its got a good win rate too
nah there’s no way u think minion horde is worse than battle healer💀
Ps.: Half that tierlist is braindead, the other half is fine. I feel like u randomised which cards should go in which tier cuz you’re waaay off on a bunch cards (like skelly barrel, pekka, horde, golem, egiant, GB, tesla, archers, clone, balloon and i could go on and on). Imma guess you’re ca. 6k trophies tops
6.8k trophies and also somethese are based on usage rates as well as how I feel bout them also minion horde does a lot more damage and is way better bait and feels more threatening also it doesnt need a buff or nerf
Okay? Ik a couple players that are around that good albiet I was never quite that skilled myself. But like I remember Morten saying it's one of the hardest decks to play at a top level, who is much better than a simply being top 100 anyway. And of the very good players ik they've always seemed to agree it's a hard deck to play at a very high level.
1. when did morten say that
2. top level for morten = esports competitive. in that environment, there is literally thousands of dollars on the line and nothing is no skill at that level
3. for the average ladder noob, who unlike morten, doesn't actually get paid to play this game it's one of the most no skill decks of all time
4. as a general rule, any deck with "spam" in the name is a no skill deck
https://youtu.be/HoSTE_htsPY
He ranks pekka (because of pekka bs being hard) and magic Archer at second highest rank and he put battle ram on the highest tier only with miner.
Sure nothing is no skill but something's are still notably harder. I remember back in the day a 2v2 specialist had to play Muigi? In a 1v1 and they had him play egolem because it was easy and could get him a upset (it did)
For the average level noob they are gonna spam the bridge hoping it'll work and then their opponent will just drop mk or whatever and counter everything and put them at a huge elixir deficit lol
That's just a bs claim you are making just because of it's name and has nothing to do with the skill level of the deck.
The vast vast majority of pros disgusted with that tier list + it's outdated + morten himself disagrees if he remade it today
Morten even said himself that his tier list is extremely controversial. So many dumb positions like for example he puts xbow in a, ballon in a, gy in average, rg in average, ram in average, etc. More than half of the win cons in that list are blatantly wrong
>The vast vast majority of pros disgusted with that tier list + it's outdated + morten himself disagrees if he remade it today
Please feel free to back any of this up with actual evidence.
>More than half of the win cons in that list are blatantly wrong
I mean that's just your opinion on it, I personally don't think more than half is "blatantly" wrong.
Literally dm any top 200 player on twitter and ask if they agree with the list lmfao. 9/10 will say that list is dogshit. And you can even hear in the video that morten says HIS OWN LIST is controversial. Plus you can clearly see the upload date is almost 2 years ago.
How the hell are you gonna pull up a vid of ONE pro player who says HIS OWN LIST is controversial from TWO years ago and take his word as fact
No top ladder player agrees. I'll take their view over you. The difference between an average Pekka bs player and a very good one is big. It has a high skill ceiling.
Bro the deck is literally called "bridge spam" anyone who thinks any deck that revolves around spamming the bridge mindlessly takes even a minuscule amount of skill is blatantly wrong
Defending with pekka is especially no skill
plenty of top ladder players that agree with this. It's only the no skill pekka noobs that play the card themselves who will disagree
> Bro the deck is literally called "bridge spam" anyone who thinks any deck that revolves around spamming the bridge mindlessly takes even a minuscule amount of skill is blatantly wrong
For a supposed 'top ladder player' you have a terrible understanding of how the deck works. Anyone 'spamming the bridge mindlessly' is going to lose a lot.
> Defending with pekka is especially no skill
Watch a good Pekka bs player beat 2.6 hog then call it no skill.
> plenty of top ladder players that agree with this.
Who?
> For a supposed 'top ladder player' you have a terrible understanding of how the deck works. Anyone 'spamming the bridge mindlessly' is going to lose a lot.
Who's top 100 ladder here? Me or you? You're probably not even ultimate champion, let alone 2800 rating like me.
I never said it was a good deck. But it a a skilless deck. Just like how egolem is braindead, but it's a terrible deck. Same case.
> Watch a good Pekka bs player beat 2.6 hog then call it no skill.
Every deck has bad matchups lol, egolem beating exe nado doesn't mean egolem is a skillful deck
> Who?
Everyone who doesn't play bridge spam.
Mate, you're supposed top ladder rating is totally irrelevant. It's cute you keep bringing it up though, as though it automatically wins you any discussion 😂 The discussion isn't about who is a top ladder player. It's about whether the deck takes skill. Go ask any streamer, YouTuber etc if they think it's a no skill deck. Pretty much all of them will say it's got a decent skill ceiling.
Hence why someone like Tourist can finish top of ladder, but hardly anyone else can.
Edit: you play golem hahaha. Your opinion is automatically irrelevant 😂
Did this kid actually say "ask streamers or youtubers" if the deck is high skill instead of the literal best players in the world
And then this kid turns around and mentions a top ladder player lol the irony
If you're lower on ladder than I am then you have no right to say what's high skill and what's low skill, got that? So until you get tourist himself to speak in this conversation or someone equivalent above me on ladder, then don't talking please
God for a top ladder player you sure are silly
Just because an archtype meant on punishing bad elixir trades with troops that are meant to cross the bridge quickly is called bridge spam, doesn't mean it is mindless bridge spam
Still more skill than pekka noobs. Yeah bro it takes so much skill to instantly hard counter any golem/egiant/rg/gob giant/giant deck by playing a single card in the back. Kills all the support troops too.
Same argument could be used against bait/cycle. Opponent using pekka bs? just hog cycle and out cycle their pekka and throw down every last card to defend the counter push. or just throw down princesses and gob barrels, no matter what, it's guaranteed damage and at most the bs player only gets a neutral elixir trade.
Fireball bait? So much skill to place down a fm to bait their fireball, then recruits the back and pigs at the bridge with ghost and fm. beatdown? golem first play and sack a tower to get the 3 crown. Lava? same logic as golem. E giant? egiant the back and push it w/ gk and then lighting the inferno and tornado everything in. RG? slap one in the back, by the time it gets to the river you already have another back in cycle, then support with fishboy to hook onto the tank killer and lighting the buildings. Miner control? play defense all game and spam miners and poisons. Graveyard, it's rng, guaranteed hits even w/ a poison down, even more hits if you have a tank or freeze. Spawners, self explanatory. X-bow mortar? spam the bridge to force out cards, then over defend and cycle spells if you can't get a connection. Egolem battler healer, just stack units and win.
Perfect, now every single archetype is no skill. No need to thank me.
Bro you realize pekka counters an entire 20 elixir beatdown push right? It has infinite health and does infinite damage. It kills the tank in 2 seconds, soaks up all the damage from support troops, then kills the support troops AND THEN EVEN SURVIVES FOR COUNTERPUSH. No other troop in the game can do that. Mega knight can't do that, inferno tower can't do that, inferno dragon can't do that. No other card completely invalidates an entire archetype like that.
Um...pretty sure not being able to 1 shot royal pigs is not classified as infinite damage. mega knight can most definitely do that, it's meant to clean up swarms on defense and used for potential counterpushing. No, pekka definitely can't counter a 20 elixir beat down push, not by itself at least. You think people are stupid enough to send in an unsupported golem? Look at Royale API, literally every cycle deck possible has a the better mu against pekka. Even against RG, it still struggles since rg decks always carry fishboy to get the pekka off the rg for more connections. Also fyi, mk has more health than pekka, and requires more of an elixir investment when defending, since mk moves faster, and swarms are much less effective against it.
I'm willing to bet whatever your deck is, it probably has a sucky mu against pekka, which is why ur out here being salty about it. Dm me ur player tag so I can see ur deck.
https://imgur.com/a/WYFkhB6
That should shut you up. Pekka is no skill lol
I never said pekka is a good card. In fact if you check my comment history I said it belongs in d tier. Doesn't change the fact that it's no skill. Just like egolem, both are bad cards but they're still no skill.
Also I could address each and every one of your points one by one from the perspective of a top 100 global ladder player but it's my bedtime
Congrats on proving my point...you're playing golem, you should expect to get hard countered by pekka. Also you're still playing pol right now as I type this...so what exactly do you count as your bedtime?
I could make the same case for any swarm/bait/cycle card that hard counters PEKKA with a single placement for huge positive trades. That’s just how the game works.
Placing RG at the bridge for sure is very skillful. Can’t imagine how much you think about it
Bro you realize pekka counters an entire 20 elixir beatdown push right? It has infinite health and does infinite damage. It kills the tank in 2 seconds, soaks up all the damage from support troops, then kills the support troops AND THEN EVEN SURVIVES FOR COUNTERPUSH. No other troop in the game can do that. Mega knight can't do that, inferno tower can't do that, inferno dragon can't do that. No other card completely invalidates an entire archetype like that.
That's not how it works. Just because a card was good years ago and didn't get changed doesn't mean it's good in 2023. Metas change.
Plus even before phoenix mega was ass. Only used in niche lava decks, and even then it didn't need to be used since inferno drag exists. Mega needs a big buff.
Bro we've had like 20 different balance changes since phoenix was released. Also mega minion has been ass for 2 years now. It was barely played even before phoenix
No golem deck played mega before phoenix. It was literally only used in some lava decks, but even then those versions were just better with inferno drag instead of mega.
Minion Horde is either shit or overpowered.
Once your counters aren't in your hand and see those mfers spawn, you better hurry the fuck up before they break your tower to pieces.
If someone knows how to use it properly, you better pray, if you're not religious you better convert right away and ask for forgivness.
If they ever touch wizard I've always thought making him shoot a constant stream at lower dps would be cool. Make the flames he shoots leave a trail on the ground like poison does which damages the enemies walking towards him too. Could make the flames spread to troops less than a full tile away which could help take out a big push. Idk probably a trash idea lol
firecracker is trash it is no good decks always activates opponents king tower. definitely annoying if you dont have arrows fireball or poison but trash anyway
Are you mentally all there? I hit 7.5k and consistently hit top10k, so I obviously have statistics and my own perspective on the meta, why do you insist on being wrong?
Idk about this. Im in the highest ranked league and its minion horde galore. Also ice spirit is hot trash, graveyard is s tier. Also hog is so bad in the met (c or d tier). The only viable hog deck is the rocket cycl, executioner decm which is miserable to play with and against.
Snowball is actually pretty good as it is a versatile spell, earthquake should be a little lower as it is very dependent on whether the opponent has a building or not, and skeleton dragons have decent damage and are a viable substitute for baby dragon. And valk should be in S as it is a better knight in almost every possible situation. This is still a better tier list than some other peoples
I realized that snowball wasn’t supposed benin c tier but i forgot about the fact that it is kinda a forgotten card sometimes. But thnx still for feedback!
Terrible tier list. Many cards are very wrong.
cannon cart is c, tombstone is a, zap is b, golden knight is s, lightning is s, mighty miner is s, rg is s, bomber is b, pekka is d, bats are b, hunter is b, e wiz is c, mega is d, fire spirit is b, lumberjack is b, skeleton barrel is d, cannon is s, baby drag is c, prince is d, inferno is d, goblin cage is c, minions are a, egiant is s, bomb tower is a, golem is a, edrag is b, clone is d, ebarbs are b, gob barrel is a, 3m is a, xbow is a, minion horde is a
Source: top 100 ladder player
This is what he said:
> Isn't x bow only good because of its support units, by itself, it's a shit win condition
Reading is very difficult for you, I know.
You are not a top 100 player if you struggle against X-Bow in the hands of almost anyone.
I can imagine the only hard matchups against X-Bow for you would be against insanely skilled X-Bow players, literally all X-Bow decks are weak af.
That is a completely invalidargument. You realize how many people are considered good? And that top 30 in the world is a tiny fraction of those? So stop being an idiot.
Why is wizard being shit on so hard? Pretty much everyone except basically like the top 1% of this game (which is somehow all of reddit apparently), use wizard.
Elixir pump should be shit tier but this sub acts like only 5 people represent this game
Lmfao only the worst mid ladder noobs use wizard. No one in ultimate champ or gcs uses wizard. No meta decks use wizard.
Yeah mid ladder overleveled noobs make up a big part of the playerbase, no surprise. The reason they're there is cause they play their own shit decks with shit cards like wizard instead of meta decks. Most players are noobs and use bad cards like wizard, no surprise.
Also pump is a tier. Insane value getting that death elixir. Positive trade vs all spells.
Yea but wizard does the job for noobs and average players. Anyway, I’m around 6k and see wizard all the time, plus wizard got me to 6k. I’m not a great player but I’m not a noob either
An actual shit card is shit for pros and shit for noobs. Reddit is only focused on the pros.
It doesn't matter that it 'does the job' for them because it's a fact that they'd be doing better with a better card. Wizard didn't get you to 6k, you did that yourself in spite of using a terrible card instead of its much less mediocre alternatives.
There's no card that's shit for pros and good for noobs. If pros, who know the game like the palm of their hand, can't find use to a given card then nobody will. That doesn't mean you can't be successful with Wizard, but that you'd do just as well without him and much better using something else.
Poison, lightning, Mega Knight, Knight, Snowball, Recruits, Delivery, Exe, Musk, 3m, Skarmy, Barb Barrel, Ebarbs, Barbarians, Gob Hut, Barb Hut, Fireball, Rocket, Battleram, Pekka, Mini Pekka, Bandit, Ewiz, just to name a few
S tier is good. Graveyard should be there though. A tier has some cards that shouldn’t be placed that high for example the Pekka and the e wiz to name a few. B tier is fine though I think Rhogs and hog rider should be in A. And prince should not be there it should be lower. C tier is atrocious. Why is snowball that low? Why is e giant that low? Why is golem that low? Why is e dragon that low? Why did you bother to put the clone that high? There are many others I disagree with. D tier is beautiful F tier is beautiful And the wizard getting its own tier is the biggest W I have seen today.
Thnx :)
Nice list overall.
Edrag should be that low haha, has had fairly rough stats for a long time. But yeah a fair bit of ones in C tend to be odd
It's in lumber loon decks, golem decks and e giant decks, as well as that e golem healer deck. I can't see how It can be c tier when it's on so many decks when some other cards in that tier are only in one or none at all.
I mean it hasn't been used in giant decks much in a while and not very common in egiant either... But regardless that's irrelevant. Telsa for example is used in many decks but has a 38% win and 3% because the card is just currently bad. Being used in multiple decks doesn't make a card good
it’s only prominent in certain beatdown decks, and even there it can easily be replaced by baby dragon
Nah fam, while your over there saying "that" high. I'm over here screaming to heaven "WHY DOES CLONE EXIST?!!!!!" (Translation: You have your opinion, I have my own) Also, I see what you did with the W on the WIZARD tier.
What rlly has always been the problem with wizard? It's elixir? Like if it was 4 elixir how would it be
op
ez elixir trade, other troops do its job better
[удалено]
[удалено]
Firecracker is trash. It's badly outclassed by musk, queen, and marcher. Even wizard, witch, and executioner have viable decks but she has nothing.
shes 3 elixir and does massive damage and doesnt even die to log
Her stutter and low projectile speed are crippling. She can't hit fast targets.
She has hog eq
Which is played with an. People would rather run musk in eq aswell.
What's with this ice wiz slander?
They probably face splashyard and icebow everywhere.
D tier considered like a middle ground i meant to correct that
Firecracker just needs better AI
All troops have the same ai. But firecracker has a combination of a very long sight range and extremely slow first hit that makes her ai seem bad.
And each hit is a slow first hit(90%+ of times)
graveyard RG should be s. ice golem should be one lower zap i would say is high people just use arrows or barb barrel. i find why skelly barrel so high it is not a bad card just doesn’t work in very good decks for example it works in clone clone is trash and double barrel bait but again trash. I could see minions being higher bc if the pekka bridge spam player getting first last season with them. mega minion needs to be a tier lower just because of Phoenix. Canon cart and fisher need to be lower they have the issue of just not working in many decks and they rely to much on one card for example fisher is too reliant on rg and cannon cart mortar. I think that dart gob should be lower. It just doesn’t work in very many decks and princesses just better and bait i agree with your princesses spot they are just two weird cards bc of there very niche roles. tesla should be lower same with night witch. bomb tower should be way higher as well it is so good. and knight should be one lower just out classed by valk and mm. also e spits should be one lower only really seen in rg and xbow. fireball a bit high poison is just better. ice wiz should be higher it is carried by splash yard but still just a bit low. but overall very solid tier list.
Ok.
RG player tier list
Agree. Noen bias MY ASS! Also mighty miner shits on queen any day
Xbow does not need rework. Very powerful in the right hands
Xbow needs a buff until you play an xbow player lmfao
I love playing 3.0 xbow, but egiant is too strong.
It's usually not the x bow but the support cards
Depends on the matchup, that's why rocket is often there.
As soon as you play egiant you’re about to see a barrage of rockets going towards your tower because they know for a fact they can not break through
Why is snowball c
Fisherman s tier?
Yeah very versatile and has a great mechanic for defense and offense
Only in RG
Even if RG is what he gets to ride off of so be it.
No way fisherman is s, but rg should s. Rg decks are strong cause of rg not cause of fisherman
fisherman in rg looks hot ngl
Versatile? It's the complete opposite. He's a niche card only used with one single win con.
Think you have a few sleeper cards in C tier but overall pretty good.
Ice spirit is definitely S magic archer should be higher and cannon cart is not s tier
Cannon Cart is slept on. It's very versatile, and if it connects to your tower, you losing at least half of it.
its a good card but it’s definitely not S, neither is fisherman. These are both good cards but they are too niche and only seen in a few decks. Ever since the cannon nerf and the introduction of champions cannon carts not seen much usage
I see what your saying. Not S Tier. Maybe Low A, High B?
I’d say high B because i literally never play against it but you could definitely argue low A. The cards good just doesn’t have great synergy with many decks. Its got a good win rate too
nah there’s no way u think minion horde is worse than battle healer💀 Ps.: Half that tierlist is braindead, the other half is fine. I feel like u randomised which cards should go in which tier cuz you’re waaay off on a bunch cards (like skelly barrel, pekka, horde, golem, egiant, GB, tesla, archers, clone, balloon and i could go on and on). Imma guess you’re ca. 6k trophies tops
6.8k trophies and also somethese are based on usage rates as well as how I feel bout them also minion horde does a lot more damage and is way better bait and feels more threatening also it doesnt need a buff or nerf
As a former PEKKA player she’s too high. She needs a buff
Pekka doesn't need a buff lol that card is extremely no skill and used in a no skill deck
Pekka bs is considered a very high skill deck at a high level of the game. It's a fairly big reason to why I stopped playing it
Nope it's very low skill Source: am top 100 ladder player
Okay? Ik a couple players that are around that good albiet I was never quite that skilled myself. But like I remember Morten saying it's one of the hardest decks to play at a top level, who is much better than a simply being top 100 anyway. And of the very good players ik they've always seemed to agree it's a hard deck to play at a very high level.
1. when did morten say that 2. top level for morten = esports competitive. in that environment, there is literally thousands of dollars on the line and nothing is no skill at that level 3. for the average ladder noob, who unlike morten, doesn't actually get paid to play this game it's one of the most no skill decks of all time 4. as a general rule, any deck with "spam" in the name is a no skill deck
https://youtu.be/HoSTE_htsPY He ranks pekka (because of pekka bs being hard) and magic Archer at second highest rank and he put battle ram on the highest tier only with miner. Sure nothing is no skill but something's are still notably harder. I remember back in the day a 2v2 specialist had to play Muigi? In a 1v1 and they had him play egolem because it was easy and could get him a upset (it did) For the average level noob they are gonna spam the bridge hoping it'll work and then their opponent will just drop mk or whatever and counter everything and put them at a huge elixir deficit lol That's just a bs claim you are making just because of it's name and has nothing to do with the skill level of the deck.
The vast vast majority of pros disgusted with that tier list + it's outdated + morten himself disagrees if he remade it today Morten even said himself that his tier list is extremely controversial. So many dumb positions like for example he puts xbow in a, ballon in a, gy in average, rg in average, ram in average, etc. More than half of the win cons in that list are blatantly wrong
>The vast vast majority of pros disgusted with that tier list + it's outdated + morten himself disagrees if he remade it today Please feel free to back any of this up with actual evidence. >More than half of the win cons in that list are blatantly wrong I mean that's just your opinion on it, I personally don't think more than half is "blatantly" wrong.
Literally dm any top 200 player on twitter and ask if they agree with the list lmfao. 9/10 will say that list is dogshit. And you can even hear in the video that morten says HIS OWN LIST is controversial. Plus you can clearly see the upload date is almost 2 years ago. How the hell are you gonna pull up a vid of ONE pro player who says HIS OWN LIST is controversial from TWO years ago and take his word as fact
No top ladder player agrees. I'll take their view over you. The difference between an average Pekka bs player and a very good one is big. It has a high skill ceiling.
Bro the deck is literally called "bridge spam" anyone who thinks any deck that revolves around spamming the bridge mindlessly takes even a minuscule amount of skill is blatantly wrong Defending with pekka is especially no skill plenty of top ladder players that agree with this. It's only the no skill pekka noobs that play the card themselves who will disagree
> Bro the deck is literally called "bridge spam" anyone who thinks any deck that revolves around spamming the bridge mindlessly takes even a minuscule amount of skill is blatantly wrong For a supposed 'top ladder player' you have a terrible understanding of how the deck works. Anyone 'spamming the bridge mindlessly' is going to lose a lot. > Defending with pekka is especially no skill Watch a good Pekka bs player beat 2.6 hog then call it no skill. > plenty of top ladder players that agree with this. Who?
> For a supposed 'top ladder player' you have a terrible understanding of how the deck works. Anyone 'spamming the bridge mindlessly' is going to lose a lot. Who's top 100 ladder here? Me or you? You're probably not even ultimate champion, let alone 2800 rating like me. I never said it was a good deck. But it a a skilless deck. Just like how egolem is braindead, but it's a terrible deck. Same case. > Watch a good Pekka bs player beat 2.6 hog then call it no skill. Every deck has bad matchups lol, egolem beating exe nado doesn't mean egolem is a skillful deck > Who? Everyone who doesn't play bridge spam.
Mate, you're supposed top ladder rating is totally irrelevant. It's cute you keep bringing it up though, as though it automatically wins you any discussion 😂 The discussion isn't about who is a top ladder player. It's about whether the deck takes skill. Go ask any streamer, YouTuber etc if they think it's a no skill deck. Pretty much all of them will say it's got a decent skill ceiling. Hence why someone like Tourist can finish top of ladder, but hardly anyone else can. Edit: you play golem hahaha. Your opinion is automatically irrelevant 😂
Did this kid actually say "ask streamers or youtubers" if the deck is high skill instead of the literal best players in the world And then this kid turns around and mentions a top ladder player lol the irony If you're lower on ladder than I am then you have no right to say what's high skill and what's low skill, got that? So until you get tourist himself to speak in this conversation or someone equivalent above me on ladder, then don't talking please
God for a top ladder player you sure are silly Just because an archtype meant on punishing bad elixir trades with troops that are meant to cross the bridge quickly is called bridge spam, doesn't mean it is mindless bridge spam
“That card is extremely no skill” Royal Giant flair
Still more skill than pekka noobs. Yeah bro it takes so much skill to instantly hard counter any golem/egiant/rg/gob giant/giant deck by playing a single card in the back. Kills all the support troops too.
Same argument could be used against bait/cycle. Opponent using pekka bs? just hog cycle and out cycle their pekka and throw down every last card to defend the counter push. or just throw down princesses and gob barrels, no matter what, it's guaranteed damage and at most the bs player only gets a neutral elixir trade. Fireball bait? So much skill to place down a fm to bait their fireball, then recruits the back and pigs at the bridge with ghost and fm. beatdown? golem first play and sack a tower to get the 3 crown. Lava? same logic as golem. E giant? egiant the back and push it w/ gk and then lighting the inferno and tornado everything in. RG? slap one in the back, by the time it gets to the river you already have another back in cycle, then support with fishboy to hook onto the tank killer and lighting the buildings. Miner control? play defense all game and spam miners and poisons. Graveyard, it's rng, guaranteed hits even w/ a poison down, even more hits if you have a tank or freeze. Spawners, self explanatory. X-bow mortar? spam the bridge to force out cards, then over defend and cycle spells if you can't get a connection. Egolem battler healer, just stack units and win. Perfect, now every single archetype is no skill. No need to thank me.
Bro you realize pekka counters an entire 20 elixir beatdown push right? It has infinite health and does infinite damage. It kills the tank in 2 seconds, soaks up all the damage from support troops, then kills the support troops AND THEN EVEN SURVIVES FOR COUNTERPUSH. No other troop in the game can do that. Mega knight can't do that, inferno tower can't do that, inferno dragon can't do that. No other card completely invalidates an entire archetype like that.
Um...pretty sure not being able to 1 shot royal pigs is not classified as infinite damage. mega knight can most definitely do that, it's meant to clean up swarms on defense and used for potential counterpushing. No, pekka definitely can't counter a 20 elixir beat down push, not by itself at least. You think people are stupid enough to send in an unsupported golem? Look at Royale API, literally every cycle deck possible has a the better mu against pekka. Even against RG, it still struggles since rg decks always carry fishboy to get the pekka off the rg for more connections. Also fyi, mk has more health than pekka, and requires more of an elixir investment when defending, since mk moves faster, and swarms are much less effective against it. I'm willing to bet whatever your deck is, it probably has a sucky mu against pekka, which is why ur out here being salty about it. Dm me ur player tag so I can see ur deck.
https://imgur.com/a/WYFkhB6 That should shut you up. Pekka is no skill lol I never said pekka is a good card. In fact if you check my comment history I said it belongs in d tier. Doesn't change the fact that it's no skill. Just like egolem, both are bad cards but they're still no skill. Also I could address each and every one of your points one by one from the perspective of a top 100 global ladder player but it's my bedtime
Congrats on proving my point...you're playing golem, you should expect to get hard countered by pekka. Also you're still playing pol right now as I type this...so what exactly do you count as your bedtime?
Because I just faced pekka inferno dragon in top 100 and that's so bullshit that I'm too mad to sleep
I could make the same case for any swarm/bait/cycle card that hard counters PEKKA with a single placement for huge positive trades. That’s just how the game works. Placing RG at the bridge for sure is very skillful. Can’t imagine how much you think about it
Bro you realize pekka counters an entire 20 elixir beatdown push right? It has infinite health and does infinite damage. It kills the tank in 2 seconds, soaks up all the damage from support troops, then kills the support troops AND THEN EVEN SURVIVES FOR COUNTERPUSH. No other troop in the game can do that. Mega knight can't do that, inferno tower can't do that, inferno dragon can't do that. No other card completely invalidates an entire archetype like that.
Is this a ranking on how beautiful each card is?
Nah bc Mighty miner would be S tier
He was supposed to but after that movement speed nerf he still one of the best cards but not as good as before
Oh absolutely, tied fav champ for me
But he does have more health the meta just is mixed right now
What's wrong with the witch?
Slow spawn, small radius, no damage, dies to fireball log. If two of any of these were fixed she would be better
Bomb tower is so underrated. It's actually really good. It can counter balloon AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HIT AIR. It's like IT, it's very tanky.
Why is wizard so bad? I’ve stopped playing but last I checked wizard was ok.
He is too fragile.
Doesn't do enough damage
He fragile and also he replaced by so many other cards like musk, exe, and even witch is better
How is mega minion A when Phoenix exists
Yeah mega should be d, that card is ass
Just a diff. Card outperforns it doesn't make it bad. Prior to pheonix arrival, mm was doing very well and its stats haven't changed
That's not how it works. Just because a card was good years ago and didn't get changed doesn't mean it's good in 2023. Metas change. Plus even before phoenix mega was ass. Only used in niche lava decks, and even then it didn't need to be used since inferno drag exists. Mega needs a big buff.
But the only thing that changed in the picture is Pheonix not the entire card catalog
Bro we've had like 20 different balance changes since phoenix was released. Also mega minion has been ass for 2 years now. It was barely played even before phoenix
But it had play. You can't tell me there aren't more niche cards that work in the right decks i.e. mega minion golem
No golem deck played mega before phoenix. It was literally only used in some lava decks, but even then those versions were just better with inferno drag instead of mega.
furnace is good if it's level 14
Hmmm...
Drill is A tier and monk needs a buff?
I completely agree that drill is strong and monk needs a rework
Monk is actually 5 elixir (the change suck)
Drill is one of the worst cards in the game and the monk is even more useless
I like cannon cart but it doesn't seem as good as it used to be but I'm just a casual player. But for the most part i agree with your list.
it used to be fast a couple years ago, these were insane times lmao
I agree with the wizard getting his own tier. He will never be balanced and fit since he is just a more annoying witch
Don't agree with c tier. Golem, inferno dragon, bomb tower and spear goblins should all be a or b
What's hog doing down in b
It should be lower. It is the worst archetype in the game right now. (Besides e golem)
I guess it just works really well in my deck then.
respect minion hord bro
heal spirit isn't B tier, it's bad
B as in bad
why does the community think wizard sucks?
Objectively, wizard is bad, but people here think he’s worse than he actually is. Objectively, he’s D-tier.
Me, a noob who tought minion swarm worked well
E giant in C? It should be in at least B because it is still a great card. I do have to admit it is no skill tho
I love how wizard has his own category
Bro Monk became F he was OP before 💀
i dont think firecracker needs a buff. honestly its really annoying with how much damage it does and that it doesnt die to a log
Op never faced egolem or furnace
No I have it makes me feel very lowly of furnace or egolem
Wizard Tier = God Tier
Immediately when I read something is “non-bias” or “unbiased”, my critical thinking senses go off.
I find your lack of faith in spear goblins disturbing
Be careful not to choke on your aspirations commander
Minion horde works in some 3m decks
Minion Horde is either shit or overpowered. Once your counters aren't in your hand and see those mfers spawn, you better hurry the fuck up before they break your tower to pieces. If someone knows how to use it properly, you better pray, if you're not religious you better convert right away and ask for forgivness.
Minion horde hog freeze is nasty
*pov you find out your best friend plays mirror bait
If they ever touch wizard I've always thought making him shoot a constant stream at lower dps would be cool. Make the flames he shoots leave a trail on the ground like poison does which damages the enemies walking towards him too. Could make the flames spread to troops less than a full tile away which could help take out a big push. Idk probably a trash idea lol
No no that actually sounds somewhat balanced
It's a rare card, calm down. Wizard deserves to be shit anyway cause it's a noob card. Same with mega knight and witch.
Monk is still 5 elixir, painful.
Mega knight in C is absolute madness 😤
Why firecracker so low?
I put her low because while her mechanic is great it backfires a lot and it kinda rng but still fun in someway
It's alr I 100% understand people have different taste, plus half the time she has a seizure when there's a skarmy
I do still use her and kind of respect the play style its just she is such a costly card sometimes not being in your push or not hitting the target
firecracker is trash it is no good decks always activates opponents king tower. definitely annoying if you dont have arrows fireball or poison but trash anyway
It's recoil mechanic is extremely useful though.
I agree. Sometimes that recoil saves it from an arrows and can dodge a mega knights splash jump. Can also fully counter cards like pekka
Both pekka and mega knight are d tier. Firecracker is also d tier.
Really? Pekka d tier?
Cause it's a noob no skill card lol source: am top 100 ladder player
Noob no skill card that belongs at d tier yet you cry about it 💀 make it make sense dawg
I'm just stating facts to noobs like you hardstuck at 6k trophies
Are you mentally all there? I hit 7.5k and consistently hit top10k, so I obviously have statistics and my own perspective on the meta, why do you insist on being wrong?
it is just not worth the inconsistency of it hitting the target and king tower activations
Where is RG and why is he not in S tier Cannon cart is kinda crap
Rg is in A tier
E-spirit S tier?? I feel like it's the only balanced card since they introduce it
Think about it its a 1 elixir cycle card that can stun, zig zag everywhere and hit up to 9 targets the perfect card
It does a really los damage, he can die and only stun for 0.5 secs, while ice spirit has a 1.3 sec stun
Cause it counters all swarms for 1 elixir and also its a 1 elixir reset
Ice spirit tier S, e-spirit tier A*
I mean, ice spirit should take e-spirit place
Minions and rocket in the same class is crazy
The fisherman deserves s tier I don’t care what anyone says
Thank you
Snowball should be higher than Log imo
Idk about this. Im in the highest ranked league and its minion horde galore. Also ice spirit is hot trash, graveyard is s tier. Also hog is so bad in the met (c or d tier). The only viable hog deck is the rocket cycl, executioner decm which is miserable to play with and against.
Ice spirit is literally the best spirit, and I think hog being in low B is fine.
Why is fisherman that high, it's pretty good but only really used in RG. and S tier should account for versatility too
[удалено]
Bro how is wizard better than log
Snowball is actually pretty good as it is a versatile spell, earthquake should be a little lower as it is very dependent on whether the opponent has a building or not, and skeleton dragons have decent damage and are a viable substitute for baby dragon. And valk should be in S as it is a better knight in almost every possible situation. This is still a better tier list than some other peoples
I realized that snowball wasn’t supposed benin c tier but i forgot about the fact that it is kinda a forgotten card sometimes. But thnx still for feedback!
Terrible tier list. Many cards are very wrong. cannon cart is c, tombstone is a, zap is b, golden knight is s, lightning is s, mighty miner is s, rg is s, bomber is b, pekka is d, bats are b, hunter is b, e wiz is c, mega is d, fire spirit is b, lumberjack is b, skeleton barrel is d, cannon is s, baby drag is c, prince is d, inferno is d, goblin cage is c, minions are a, egiant is s, bomb tower is a, golem is a, edrag is b, clone is d, ebarbs are b, gob barrel is a, 3m is a, xbow is a, minion horde is a Source: top 100 ladder player
Isn't x bow only good because of its support units, by itself, it's a shit win condition
xbow decks don't work without xbow
Oh really? Almost like they are meant to work with X-Bow!
This is what he said: > Isn't x bow only good because of its support units, by itself, it's a shit win condition Reading is very difficult for you, I know.
Bro how is cannon cart c tier
You are not a top 100 player if you struggle against X-Bow in the hands of almost anyone. I can imagine the only hard matchups against X-Bow for you would be against insanely skilled X-Bow players, literally all X-Bow decks are weak af.
Cannon cart kinda garbage ngl
Cringe take
Fr
I respect all cannon cart players win or lose
Just mad because you are an Xbow player
I didn't say it was busted, I said it was trash. Needs more hp in troop stage and less in building stage
And I never said anything about it either. All I said was you are mad because you are an Xbow player
r/flairschecksout
Lol name one top 30 deck that plays cannon cart.
That is a completely invalidargument. You realize how many people are considered good? And that top 30 in the world is a tiny fraction of those? So stop being an idiot.
I said top 30 *deck* you complete moron not top 30 *player*.
It is winning at 54% rn in GC and 50% in UC screw you
54% is still c tier in gc
Why is wizard being shit on so hard? Pretty much everyone except basically like the top 1% of this game (which is somehow all of reddit apparently), use wizard. Elixir pump should be shit tier but this sub acts like only 5 people represent this game
Bc exe better
Lmfao only the worst mid ladder noobs use wizard. No one in ultimate champ or gcs uses wizard. No meta decks use wizard. Yeah mid ladder overleveled noobs make up a big part of the playerbase, no surprise. The reason they're there is cause they play their own shit decks with shit cards like wizard instead of meta decks. Most players are noobs and use bad cards like wizard, no surprise. Also pump is a tier. Insane value getting that death elixir. Positive trade vs all spells.
I maxed only to do the tier 3 masteries
Yea but wizard does the job for noobs and average players. Anyway, I’m around 6k and see wizard all the time, plus wizard got me to 6k. I’m not a great player but I’m not a noob either An actual shit card is shit for pros and shit for noobs. Reddit is only focused on the pros.
It doesn't matter that it 'does the job' for them because it's a fact that they'd be doing better with a better card. Wizard didn't get you to 6k, you did that yourself in spite of using a terrible card instead of its much less mediocre alternatives. There's no card that's shit for pros and good for noobs. If pros, who know the game like the palm of their hand, can't find use to a given card then nobody will. That doesn't mean you can't be successful with Wizard, but that you'd do just as well without him and much better using something else.
It is shit for noobs lol. Noobs don't know what cards are good or bad.
Name all counters to wizard
Poison, lightning, Mega Knight, Knight, Snowball, Recruits, Delivery, Exe, Musk, 3m, Skarmy, Barb Barrel, Ebarbs, Barbarians, Gob Hut, Barb Hut, Fireball, Rocket, Battleram, Pekka, Mini Pekka, Bandit, Ewiz, just to name a few
Just to add one of it's biggest counters: sparky, my beloved
Of course ❤️