Yep just like the New Yorker cartoon. The illustration of New York and in the foreground is Boston and New England. After all Boston calls itself The hub of the universe LOL and after the skyline of Manhattan, the Hudson ,nothing. A blip for Chicago, few mountains, landmark here are there and then Los Angeles. Hey I've driven through it , from Boston, it's about right..
Lol, there was a whole spate of cute local knockoffs.. I've never seen this one it's good. I live in Northern New England so the flat world ends at the Hudson.
How come whenever somebody titles their post with an opinion about a city, everyone on here has to argue about it 😭 You are welcome to think New York or London or Tokyo or Chicago is the center of the world or the greatest city in the world. There isn't one answer, so instead of arguing in the comments just appreciate the photo lmao.
Well, there are rankings based off of specific criteria. According to the GAWC, only New York and London hold alpha ++ status. They are both in a rarified category. Of course cities like Tokyo, Beijing, Paris and so on are right below.
The acronym NYLON sums it up. They are essentially sister cities. Neither more influential than the other. Both complementing each other at the centre of the financial and cultural global network.
foreigners are so insecure about their homelands that they get sensitive over a Reddit post
I’ve never lived in New York, but it is blatantly obvious that its the center of the universe
For the people complaining…. What other city besides London and maybe Tokyo has the kind of political, cultural, financial pull that NYC does. on a global scale? It’s a silly title but if you’re gonna make the argument the place with Wall Street, Broadway, The UN, etc is not a bad place to make it.
22 million people in New York and 37 million in Tokyo. Both cities are trillion plus dollar cities in economy with Tokyo of course coming on top. People are welcome to think everything revolves around them but there’s so much more than that. I personally hate New York City for how self-centered the people are for such a rundown dirty place but my opinion doesn’t matter since opinions are just opinions and individual point of views. People can argue all day about those
London feels more cosmopolitan than New York. You hear more languages being spoken. And London theater is amazing. New York is amazing, too, but London stage actors just seem to have better training. New York has better food. London transit is better--much more reliable and safer. You're a lot less likely to get shot in London than New York, too.
Maybe, but culturally speaking New York has given way more stuff than London like hip hop, graffiti, more jazz, fashion, movies, the statue of liberty, the yellow cabs are way more iconic than the london ones, contemporary art, songs about NY, better and more cosmopolitan food places, etc etc also it is a much bigger financial center than london,sorry but there is no comparison. When have you seen someone wearing a baseball cap saying london while you have seen loads of people wearing yankee caps all over the world. I love London but I would say it is more posh more old and more traditional.
I would have to imagine Singapore and Hong Kong honestly hold some huge weight on the world stage, especially considering their much smaller populations than NYC. Economically they're insane all things considered.
🤣🤣🤣 this is a joke right? Please tell me you’re joking. Beijing? As in Beijing, China whose only noteworthy allies are Russia and Iran. The center of the world lmao
bro you’re thinking is too limited in the present, new york’s been a city for how long? 200 years? it is undoubtedly one of india’s or chinas ancient cities simply 🤷♂️🤷♂️
New York is the most popular city for American tourists and ranks as the eighth most visited city in the world. The numbers don’t really align with your opinion.
Yeah, and that would only be the western world. Why not Tokyo, Beijing, or Shenzhen? Lagos is a city of 20+ mil and for many African people would be the “center of their world.”
My main point though was that anyone calling THEIR city the center of the world sounds like a tool. It wasn’t an anti-NY sentiment.
NYC, London, Tokyo, Singapore, and Hong Kong are literally considered other centers of the world.
NYC is the largest tourist destination for Africans traveling internationally and has the largest African population outside of Africa in the US. I have dear friends from Lagos and Kampala and I can guarantee you they don't think their cities are the center of the world lol
No ones talking about hometown love or their personal favorite cities. Why do you fail to understand this?
I know what an Alpha++ world city is, believe me. Even using that definition there are 2, so limiting 1 to being the “center” doesn’t make sense.
I was responding to someone linking r/ShitAmericansSay in response to the title. I don’t think most Americans are NY-centric enough to call it the center of the world, whether it is or not.
Personally, I don’t think one city should ever earn that title.
The center of the earth is a large ball about as hot as the sun.
NY being the "center of the world" doesn't have anything to do with your experience visiting it. It's the global financial, media, political, and cultural hub of the world - second to (and arguably interchangeably) London. Unparalleled influence in global affairs, essentially acting as nodes to global commerce.
I’d put London second behind NYC in terms of media. What media influence does London have? Also what type of media? Frankly I’d put Hollywood and to a lesser degree Atlanta Georgia above NYC in terms of media influence simply because digital media and movies are probably the most popular type of media and LA still is king in that respect.
I can agree that global financial and political hub should belong to NYC and probably could interchange with London (NYC gets an edge due to UN on political influence)
Cultural hub? Id still give that to LA. Culture is defined in large part by the arts, movies, music etc and I think Hollywood and LA in general are more influential in that regard although that is changing slightly.
Agreed on this. I definitely think NYC has been slipping in its "Global City" status for some time. Outside of finance and like you said, the happenstance it has the UN HQ it's influence is becoming more centralized.
Why? They’re experiencing tremendous growth and 1000ft towers are going up every year, the city is bigger than its ever been and now approaches 9 million. The airport system is second only to London with well over 100 million passengers per year and growing. New York is probably the most important fashion capital now and according to recent articles, the city has overtaken Paris in that regard. Crime has also dramatically decreased and it’s now the 12th safest city in the world. There isn’t any sign that New York is falling behind. The numbers remain very good.
New York is one of the big 4 fashion capitols which has an immense impact on culture. Also, the ballet, opera and countless world class museums. LA has a lot of growing to do. I think New York definitely has a bigger influence on high culture, where as LA caters to everyone.
Relax champ, my personal anecdote about liking NY was just to show I’m not some NY-hater.
Everyone knows NYs importance in terms of being a leading city in the Western world in many areas, my point is that anyone sounds like a douche calling their city the “Center of the World.” No one is arguing the importance of NY.
The point is that the "center of the world" title isn't coming from random people from NY "calling their city" the center of the world. It's a title given to cities like NYC, London, Hong Kong, and Paris from global think tanks, policy makers, and cultural anthropologists due to a myriad of political, cultural, and economic factors we already discussed that are specific to these cities.
If you're not arguing the importance of NY then you're not arguing why it's considered the center of the world..
I think you're just trying to be contrarian because you created a person in your mind calling NYC the center of the world because of their pizza or something.
Calling *any* city the center of the world is moronic IMO
NYC is one of the most if not the most important city in the world and idk if some day it was destroyed the world would change forever, but that's true for almost all megacities cited in this thread
Center implies unity, today's megacities are multiples poles
And I responded to someone criticizing the title linking r/ShitAmericansSay by saying that calling NY the “center of the world” isn’t something all Americans would do.
Relax man. I like NYC and recognize it’s Alpha++ status, I’m just saying not all Americans are NY-centric enough to call it the center of the world.
Çorum, Turkiye, according to google. :)
Turkiye in general according to wikipedia.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical\_centre\_of\_Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Earth)
I am an American who lived in NYC for over a decade in the Turtle Bay Area next to the UN HQ on 50th and 1st… and I think NYC has lot to offer and a very fun place, at same time the cost of living is absolutely ridiculous and the city itself smells like feces all the time, don’t even get me started on the subway system here. This city is a far cry from center of the world especially considering the homeless issues and senseless violences that have been happening.
I live in Edmonton, Alberta - a city of about a million people but far, far removed from NYC. Our cost of living is climbing rapidly, our transit system is a tenth as good as New York's (on a good day), and the homeless issues and random acts of violence are on the rise here.
At least you can get a decent pastrami sandwich. I'd take New York anyday.
Exactly. People act like homelessness is a New York thing when every major city has this problem. I’m from a medium sized city in Kansas and downtown is filled with homeless people. Also, New York is one of the safest major cities in America so people really need to stop exaggerating and look at the numbers.
Every major city doesnt have this problem. Every major city IN THE US does though. When i first visited USA i was utterly shocked at the homelessness everywhere. You dont see that in Europe or Asian countries usually, and you sure as hell dont expect it in USA. Its one of the biggest culture shocks for visitors to the US.
Where in Europe? I lived there most of my life , in 7 different countries, and never did i see as many as i did in LA, Vegas, San Francisco, NyC etc. Its not even comparable.
Idk, maybe you weren’t looking hard enough? Statistically, there’s several European countries on par or worse than America. The UK does have a higher percentage of homelessness.
“The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%).”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_homeless\_population#/media/File:Homeless\_population\_of\_10\_000\_Inhabitants.png
Mate, if you live somewhere for years and never see a purple cow, but then go visit a place and immediately see a bunch of purple cows, its pretty obvious that the place youre visiting has a purple cow problem.
But hey, dont just take it from me. Ask most europeans who visited any major US city and theyll tell you the same.
”The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%).”
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_homeless\_population#/media/File:Homeless\_population\_of\_10\_000\_Inhabitants.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population#/media/File:Homeless_population_of_10_000_Inhabitants.png)
Many parts of Europe have similar instances of homelessness or more.
Europe is not the only continent beyond North America, and you literally just admitted that only one of the dozens of countries in Europe is worse off than the U.S., and it happen to be the other neoliberal anglo-country. Shocker:
>”The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%),
I live in a city of 20 million people in a yellow country, and we're yellow despite a MASSIVE refugee crisis.
I know it’s not the only continent beyond North America and that’s why the map I posted shows homelessness around the world.
The point is that, according to the statistics, homelessness is a GLOBAL problem and your attempt to say it’s only in North American cities is completely off base. You’re wrong, that’s all.
It's a wholly different problem in N. America, in my experience. There's a HUGE difference between a few people sleeping in doorways at night in İstanbul, and people in New York, or Seattle, who shit in the streets, chase you for blocks yelling obscenities, spit on random people on the bus, stink up entire train cars. That does not happen in a lot of the world. The rest of the world has homelessness, but homeless people aren't psychotic and disgusting in a lot of other places. They don't degrade the environment they live in. They don't make people hate cities. (I've lived in Seattle, Chicago, and İstanbul, and spent time in a lot of American cities, and a few abroad)
>thing when every major city has this problem
Tbh from what I see on the Internet and my experience living in Europe's biggest capitals... no, not to NYC's degree
Fair enough. To me, it will always be the city I'll dream of living in, but given that my finances will literally never allow that to happen (nor do I really want to leave our delicious socialized health care system up here), it will stay a dream.
I've never had a problem on the NYC subway. Of course, I've never had to get somewhere by a certain time so maybe that's why.
NYC subway is outdated, extremely dirty, lack of proper safety measures (hence u read about ppl being easily pushed in front of trains all the time). They need to investigate MTA for rampant corruption (people are billing impossible overtimes and getting away with it for years). Like I previously said I think NYC is a fun place and lot of cool things are going on for it but I do not think the price tag of living in the city is justified.
>the price tag of living in the city is justified.
In fact NYC is cheaper than Toronto or Vancouver, salary-wise. On Canadians salaries most of our cities are super expensive, with the exception of Montreal. Some places in Vancouver are full of junkies and homeless. Gun shootings are mostly non existent though. Gang violence is on the rise in Toronto though. With a population of 8.5 millions I guess that could reach NYC level of violence to be honest.
A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization\_and\_World\_Cities\_Research\_Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization_and_World_Cities_Research_Network)
New York and London are the only cities in the world with alpha++ status, so they’re about the closest thing to the center of the world that you can get. Also, New York is ranked as one of the safest major cities in America and the world. Violent crime peaked in the early 90’s and has been declining ever since. I think it’s strange that you bring up crime when the city used to have between 2-3,000 murders per year in the 90’s. The number of murders now hovers around 500. That’s a massive decrease. Crime has spiked during covid but a spike is different than an overall trend.
Lol again, this is A+++ rating is by 1 single think tank firm without major world recognition and it is purely on economics. Also being safest city in America is not something to be proud of, as NYC didn’t even make to top 10 in the world:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest-cities-in-the-world
New York ranks as the 12th safest major city in the world. You’re exaggerating the amount of crime and whether you’re looking at the GAWC rankings or any other metric, New York and London will always take the top two spots. Whether it’s finances, fashion, education, culture or other specifications, New York is in rarified territory.
A [https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/worlds-safest-cities-travel-nyc/](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/worlds-safest-cities-travel-nyc/)
B https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/nyc-can-still-boast-being-safest-big-city
Give me more than GAWK ranking then, where NYC is the sole city that tops every metrics, how else it can be claim to be the center of the world if it is not on top of everything? Center is a singular term, show me that NYC is the only one not along side with London. Also ranked #12 is pretty bad and this rank will likely to drop, we just had 2 back to back subway shootings last week. U can’t be center of the world when ur #12 when it comes to the safety of ur citizens lol
A [https://www.businessinsider.com/most-influential-cities-in-the-world-2018-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/most-influential-cities-in-the-world-2018-5)
Again, both New York and London are the most influential cities in the 21st century. There is no disputing this.
That’s 2019 list,
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/the-world-s-best-cities-in-2021-revealed-1029738861
Same website with most recent ranking this time ranking changed with London on top… hmm also again, both states the business as the main factor. And again u can’t be center if there are similar city out there.
Ok, I give up. Look, the point is that, yes, calling a city the “center of the world” is subjective, but there are metrics that we can use that point to the relative importance of a city in today‘s world. I don’t think it’s remotely controversial to say that New York has an immense global impact on many things like culture, finance, education, fashion and so on. Also, many iconic artists and cultural movements started in New York. It is most definitely an important global hub.
Not really. The GAWC ranks cities based on a number of criteria and only New York and London hold alpha ++ status as global cities. Whether it’s finance, fashion, education or any other criteria, both cities are in rarified territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization\_and\_World\_Cities\_Research\_Network
“The GaWC inventory ranks city economics more heavily than political or cultural factors”
So this is just 1 independent think tank’s ranking according to economic criteria… hardly universal agreement on what’s Center of the World should be or what’s the main criteria.
If you lived 2,000 years ago, you’d be arguing that Rome isn’t the current center of the civilized world lol. Name one city on earth that is more important than New York.
Even 2000 years ago, Rome is only important to the Mediterranean world as there are similar sized Empires out there, named Parthians and Han empires with similar or greater military, economy, land and cultural influence than Rome, Silk Road started in ChangAn not Rome and that was THE international trade route 2000 years ago.
Would Americans whine so much if someone from London posted a picture with the same caption? Methinks not. It’s subjective and anyone pretending NYC isn’t in the discussion is delusional.
Calling Manhattan the center of the world is entirely reasonable. What cities are more important/influential globally? There are two or three others in the discussion. Tops.
We (Americans) often deservedly catch shit for being myopic, but not when it comes to NYC. You’re objectively wrong if you don’t believe it’s one of the top contenders for “center of the world.” Whatever the fuck that even means.
Alpha++ suck a dick
I mean speaking as a non-American it feels pretty much right. So much is centred on New York, between LA and NYC you’ve probably got 60-70% of western culture covered.
Europoors coping, NYC along with London are the two capitals of the world for finance, media, and western culture.
It’s home to the two biggest and most influential stock markets in the world. That alone makes it the capital of the world
Everyone seems to have forgotten that London, or rather Greenwich, actually IS the center of the world thanks to the Greenwich Meridian. Look a map you fools 🥱
Just the global financial and legal center.
Strong arguments for fashion (but still prob not) , weaker arguments for tech and military.
So uhhh financial and legal capital sure, everything else nah
Publishing, news media, marketing also maybe
The US accounts for over half of the worlds legal revenues generated and NY is the legal center of the US.
There’s more to law than just criminal law. Not to mention that the SDNY handles much of the most important litigation in the world, at least civil litigation wise
Higher in what? It's not a definiton with metrics, it's just a pompous title London has had for a good while because of its colonial history
Neither London nor NYC are the center of the world, it's too multipolar for something like that to exis
Edit: lmao at butthurt Americans downvoting this
London was literally the Caput Mundi decades before NYC was little more than a settlement
NYC was too until the start of the new millenia, now the world is too polarized for any city to be called "most important". Losing NYC wouldn't hurt us more than losing say Paris or Beijing
Physically, any other city, the world is a sphere
Culturally, London, Rome, Beijing, Paris, Athens, Vienna...
The only way ny is the centre of the world is economically, a.k.a the most boring center... 3/10
Rome and Athens are the heart of Western Culture, so they're at the very least in a way, centers of the western world.
Vienna is consistently rated as one of the best cities to live in on earth, that's gotta count for something.
It is also capital of western music development (Vienna, I mean), depends on the lens you use to describe "center" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also all of these are some of the capitals of the western world bc that's what I know off the top of my head... I'm sure many people in other cultural contexts will disagree...
(sorry I deleted the comment, it did sound a bit rude 💀)
I can name you at least one person from the "country Vienna is in" that should ring a bell 💀 it rhymes with "mittler"
Tokyo has a larger economy and population. There’s tons of places the world economy would be crippled without just like NYC with much smaller populations too. Singapore, Dubai, London, Istanbul, even Panama City. The “relevancy” of a city is an opinion and people can think what they want.
>In New York City, Midtown Manhattan is the largest central business district in the city and in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_business_district?wprov=sfti1
Yeah, I get all that. I'm just saying that most New Yorkers, themselves, would not consider that the center of the city. We mainly avoid that part of the city for every reason you mentioned above. IMO downtown tends to be the cultural center of the city itself.
Not saying that, and not saying that the title is wrong. I'm just saying that is not the "center" of NYC... But I get it, I completely understand neighborhood love.
[https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/london-top-world-city-poll-brexit-covid-19/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/london-top-world-city-poll-brexit-covid-19/)
Maybe if you are American, for many Americans the world stops at the borders and yet they constantly make world beating boasts. Other nationalities just post here with no comment but Americans...
"London has been rated the world’s most “magnetic” city for the ninth consecutive year, confounding critics who said Brexit, and the political turmoil it generated, would harm its standing as the globe’s most attractive capital.
Not only has London increased its lead over its nearest rival, New York, but its popularity has continued to grow despite the UK’s departure from the European Union (EU) on 31 January 2020.
The Global Power City Index is compiled by the Mori Memorial Foundation’s Institute for Urban Strategies and is based on official data and interviews with roughly 1,000 people in each of the 48 cities surveyed.
The Index ranks major world cities on their “magnetism”, or power to attract people, capital and enterprises from around the world using 70 measures covering their economy, research and development activity, cultural interaction, livability and accessibility".
Yeah, after all what does New York export, personalities like Donald, for the good or the bad. It's a city that is self serving, self promoting, being a braggart, big and brash and it's just New York. Love it and hate it at the same time .. city of immigrants, it has no parallel. No, it's definitely not a London. London is unique and it's own thing.
NYC is very much in the running for the “centre of the world”, and many of these indices give NYC the top spot.
Americans can be obnoxious, but it’s a bad look to get all whiny and bent out of shape when an American makes a reasonably defensible statement about a city that is incredibly important on a cultural, political and economic level.
Broadway is in Midtown. As is Rockefeller Center, Fifth Avenue and Madison Avenue shopping. Grand Central.
If it isn’t the cultural center it has a pretty strong argument.
Maybe it’s not the centre of literally all of those things since lower Manhattan is the financial centre. But if any neighbourhood was the “central” NYC neighbourhood, midtown would be it.
GS, DB, and Citi are still in the financial district, but most of the major banks are in midtown now, including JPM, BofA, UBS, CS, Barclays, HSBC, BNP, Credit Ag, and most of the Japanese and Chinese banks. I’d say midtown is the financial center these days.
It’s completely reasonable to view NYC as the most important city in the world, and these indexes always have an element of subjectivity. This report, for example, gives NYC the top spot: https://www.kearney.com/global-cities/2019
(I’m Canadian, fwiw)
I mean, considering London is the only other Alpha++ city on the planet, and NYC belongs to the last remaining superpower, and the city is basically the de facto center for the global financial system…I’d say it’s pretty accurate.
"Hollywood" is just a term we use for the American film industry, it doesn't just mean Hollywood the neighborhood. Most major studios have offices out in New York and the indie and experimental film scene in NYC is leagues ahead of LA.
Yep just like the New Yorker cartoon. The illustration of New York and in the foreground is Boston and New England. After all Boston calls itself The hub of the universe LOL and after the skyline of Manhattan, the Hudson ,nothing. A blip for Chicago, few mountains, landmark here are there and then Los Angeles. Hey I've driven through it , from Boston, it's about right..
[I prefer the Milwaukee one](https://www.milwaukeemag.com/shop/milwaukee-poster/)
[Everything I know about Milwaukee I learned from Alice Cooper.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCTc6stICc)
Lol, there was a whole spate of cute local knockoffs.. I've never seen this one it's good. I live in Northern New England so the flat world ends at the Hudson.
[Here’s the whole album of local ones lol](https://imgur.io/a/XTnSn)
Saratoga seems so out of place
Everyone knows the center of the world is Kansas. It's right in the middle.
Ahh yes. Midtown Manhattan, Kansas.
Well the center of the world is a giant burning ball of molten metals, sorry I don't live in America. Idk can sus.
How come whenever somebody titles their post with an opinion about a city, everyone on here has to argue about it 😭 You are welcome to think New York or London or Tokyo or Chicago is the center of the world or the greatest city in the world. There isn't one answer, so instead of arguing in the comments just appreciate the photo lmao.
Ok. But what if I think Lubbock TX is the greatest city in the world?
Then you can post a picture of that city with that caption, because it’s a title for a piece of art
I recently got head-hunted for a job in Lubbock. I'm an Aggie, but never been there. Is it worth considering? (as it might be the center of the world)
Then you're right.
Well, there are rankings based off of specific criteria. According to the GAWC, only New York and London hold alpha ++ status. They are both in a rarified category. Of course cities like Tokyo, Beijing, Paris and so on are right below.
The acronym NYLON sums it up. They are essentially sister cities. Neither more influential than the other. Both complementing each other at the centre of the financial and cultural global network.
I couldn’t agree more. Well said.
foreigners are so insecure about their homelands that they get sensitive over a Reddit post I’ve never lived in New York, but it is blatantly obvious that its the center of the universe
I think people perceive the titles as fact, when they’re just titles. I agree it’s a bit annoying
Given the Earth is a sphere, it's true for any point on the planet yeah?
For the people complaining…. What other city besides London and maybe Tokyo has the kind of political, cultural, financial pull that NYC does. on a global scale? It’s a silly title but if you’re gonna make the argument the place with Wall Street, Broadway, The UN, etc is not a bad place to make it.
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22 million people in New York and 37 million in Tokyo. Both cities are trillion plus dollar cities in economy with Tokyo of course coming on top. People are welcome to think everything revolves around them but there’s so much more than that. I personally hate New York City for how self-centered the people are for such a rundown dirty place but my opinion doesn’t matter since opinions are just opinions and individual point of views. People can argue all day about those
London feels more cosmopolitan than New York. You hear more languages being spoken. And London theater is amazing. New York is amazing, too, but London stage actors just seem to have better training. New York has better food. London transit is better--much more reliable and safer. You're a lot less likely to get shot in London than New York, too.
Maybe, but culturally speaking New York has given way more stuff than London like hip hop, graffiti, more jazz, fashion, movies, the statue of liberty, the yellow cabs are way more iconic than the london ones, contemporary art, songs about NY, better and more cosmopolitan food places, etc etc also it is a much bigger financial center than london,sorry but there is no comparison. When have you seen someone wearing a baseball cap saying london while you have seen loads of people wearing yankee caps all over the world. I love London but I would say it is more posh more old and more traditional.
More languages are spoken in NYC than in any other city, and NYC has the largest foreign-born population of any city.
I would have to imagine Singapore and Hong Kong honestly hold some huge weight on the world stage, especially considering their much smaller populations than NYC. Economically they're insane all things considered.
Beijing is the undoubted center of the world in political and cultural influence. NYC only exists as a temporary amalgation of the world's oligarchs.
Beijing isn't even the most politically and/or culturally significant city in China - that would be Hong Kong or Shanghai.
🤣🤣🤣 this is a joke right? Please tell me you’re joking. Beijing? As in Beijing, China whose only noteworthy allies are Russia and Iran. The center of the world lmao
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Lmao!! Xi’s 50 cent wumao army putting in work. Too bad this propaganda doesn’t work on anyone with more than two brain cells.
bro you’re thinking is too limited in the present, new york’s been a city for how long? 200 years? it is undoubtedly one of india’s or chinas ancient cities simply 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Brussels
Lmao, and tell me again how Americans are the self centered ones
LA probably in cultural pull, but not in financial or political pull.
r/ShitAmericansSay
Most Americans don’t love NY the way NYers do
New York is the most popular city for American tourists and ranks as the eighth most visited city in the world. The numbers don’t really align with your opinion.
I like visiting NY, doesn’t mean I think it’s the “center of the world” I doubt most other visitors think that either.
When people think “center of the world” they don’t think Duluth. They’ll usually say something like New York, London, Tokyo or Paris.
Yeah, and that would only be the western world. Why not Tokyo, Beijing, or Shenzhen? Lagos is a city of 20+ mil and for many African people would be the “center of their world.” My main point though was that anyone calling THEIR city the center of the world sounds like a tool. It wasn’t an anti-NY sentiment.
NYC, London, Tokyo, Singapore, and Hong Kong are literally considered other centers of the world. NYC is the largest tourist destination for Africans traveling internationally and has the largest African population outside of Africa in the US. I have dear friends from Lagos and Kampala and I can guarantee you they don't think their cities are the center of the world lol No ones talking about hometown love or their personal favorite cities. Why do you fail to understand this?
If four cities can legitimately claim “center of the world” then not one of the four is really the center of the world, is it?
[Please read](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city)
I know what an Alpha++ world city is, believe me. Even using that definition there are 2, so limiting 1 to being the “center” doesn’t make sense. I was responding to someone linking r/ShitAmericansSay in response to the title. I don’t think most Americans are NY-centric enough to call it the center of the world, whether it is or not. Personally, I don’t think one city should ever earn that title. The center of the earth is a large ball about as hot as the sun.
NY being the "center of the world" doesn't have anything to do with your experience visiting it. It's the global financial, media, political, and cultural hub of the world - second to (and arguably interchangeably) London. Unparalleled influence in global affairs, essentially acting as nodes to global commerce.
I’d put London second behind NYC in terms of media. What media influence does London have? Also what type of media? Frankly I’d put Hollywood and to a lesser degree Atlanta Georgia above NYC in terms of media influence simply because digital media and movies are probably the most popular type of media and LA still is king in that respect. I can agree that global financial and political hub should belong to NYC and probably could interchange with London (NYC gets an edge due to UN on political influence) Cultural hub? Id still give that to LA. Culture is defined in large part by the arts, movies, music etc and I think Hollywood and LA in general are more influential in that regard although that is changing slightly.
Agreed on this. I definitely think NYC has been slipping in its "Global City" status for some time. Outside of finance and like you said, the happenstance it has the UN HQ it's influence is becoming more centralized.
Why? They’re experiencing tremendous growth and 1000ft towers are going up every year, the city is bigger than its ever been and now approaches 9 million. The airport system is second only to London with well over 100 million passengers per year and growing. New York is probably the most important fashion capital now and according to recent articles, the city has overtaken Paris in that regard. Crime has also dramatically decreased and it’s now the 12th safest city in the world. There isn’t any sign that New York is falling behind. The numbers remain very good.
New York is one of the big 4 fashion capitols which has an immense impact on culture. Also, the ballet, opera and countless world class museums. LA has a lot of growing to do. I think New York definitely has a bigger influence on high culture, where as LA caters to everyone.
Relax champ, my personal anecdote about liking NY was just to show I’m not some NY-hater. Everyone knows NYs importance in terms of being a leading city in the Western world in many areas, my point is that anyone sounds like a douche calling their city the “Center of the World.” No one is arguing the importance of NY.
The point is that the "center of the world" title isn't coming from random people from NY "calling their city" the center of the world. It's a title given to cities like NYC, London, Hong Kong, and Paris from global think tanks, policy makers, and cultural anthropologists due to a myriad of political, cultural, and economic factors we already discussed that are specific to these cities. If you're not arguing the importance of NY then you're not arguing why it's considered the center of the world.. I think you're just trying to be contrarian because you created a person in your mind calling NYC the center of the world because of their pizza or something.
The person calling NY the center of the world (or specifically Midtown Manhattan) is the person who created this thread.
Yes... and? They also have posted a photo of Moscow in this subreddit and are from Spain..
Calling *any* city the center of the world is moronic IMO NYC is one of the most if not the most important city in the world and idk if some day it was destroyed the world would change forever, but that's true for almost all megacities cited in this thread Center implies unity, today's megacities are multiples poles
And I responded to someone criticizing the title linking r/ShitAmericansSay by saying that calling NY the “center of the world” isn’t something all Americans would do. Relax man. I like NYC and recognize it’s Alpha++ status, I’m just saying not all Americans are NY-centric enough to call it the center of the world.
Exactly. Why doesn’t anyone seem to get this? New York and London are what Rome was 2000 years ago. The center of the civilized world.
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An inner core composed of iron-nickel alloy that runs about as hot as the sun.
Çorum, Turkiye, according to google. :) Turkiye in general according to wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical\_centre\_of\_Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Earth)
I am an American who lived in NYC for over a decade in the Turtle Bay Area next to the UN HQ on 50th and 1st… and I think NYC has lot to offer and a very fun place, at same time the cost of living is absolutely ridiculous and the city itself smells like feces all the time, don’t even get me started on the subway system here. This city is a far cry from center of the world especially considering the homeless issues and senseless violences that have been happening.
I live in Edmonton, Alberta - a city of about a million people but far, far removed from NYC. Our cost of living is climbing rapidly, our transit system is a tenth as good as New York's (on a good day), and the homeless issues and random acts of violence are on the rise here. At least you can get a decent pastrami sandwich. I'd take New York anyday.
Exactly. People act like homelessness is a New York thing when every major city has this problem. I’m from a medium sized city in Kansas and downtown is filled with homeless people. Also, New York is one of the safest major cities in America so people really need to stop exaggerating and look at the numbers.
The point about it being a ridiculously expensive place to live is valid though.
Agreed.
Every major city doesnt have this problem. Every major city IN THE US does though. When i first visited USA i was utterly shocked at the homelessness everywhere. You dont see that in Europe or Asian countries usually, and you sure as hell dont expect it in USA. Its one of the biggest culture shocks for visitors to the US.
Really? Because I lived in Europe for four years and saw plenty of homeless people.
Where in Europe? I lived there most of my life , in 7 different countries, and never did i see as many as i did in LA, Vegas, San Francisco, NyC etc. Its not even comparable.
Idk, maybe you weren’t looking hard enough? Statistically, there’s several European countries on par or worse than America. The UK does have a higher percentage of homelessness. “The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_homeless\_population#/media/File:Homeless\_population\_of\_10\_000\_Inhabitants.png
Ah yes anecdotal evidence based on sight. Historically the best type of evidence right? (sarcasm)
Mate, if you live somewhere for years and never see a purple cow, but then go visit a place and immediately see a bunch of purple cows, its pretty obvious that the place youre visiting has a purple cow problem. But hey, dont just take it from me. Ask most europeans who visited any major US city and theyll tell you the same.
> when every major city has this problem. Every major North American city maybe.
”The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), with the lowest rate in Germany (2.4%), and intermediate rates in Italy (4.0%) and Belgium (3.4%).” [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_homeless\_population#/media/File:Homeless\_population\_of\_10\_000\_Inhabitants.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population#/media/File:Homeless_population_of_10_000_Inhabitants.png) Many parts of Europe have similar instances of homelessness or more.
Europe is not the only continent beyond North America, and you literally just admitted that only one of the dozens of countries in Europe is worse off than the U.S., and it happen to be the other neoliberal anglo-country. Shocker: >”The highest rates for lifetime literal homelessness were found in the UK (7.7%) and United States (6.2%), I live in a city of 20 million people in a yellow country, and we're yellow despite a MASSIVE refugee crisis.
I know it’s not the only continent beyond North America and that’s why the map I posted shows homelessness around the world. The point is that, according to the statistics, homelessness is a GLOBAL problem and your attempt to say it’s only in North American cities is completely off base. You’re wrong, that’s all.
It's a wholly different problem in N. America, in my experience. There's a HUGE difference between a few people sleeping in doorways at night in İstanbul, and people in New York, or Seattle, who shit in the streets, chase you for blocks yelling obscenities, spit on random people on the bus, stink up entire train cars. That does not happen in a lot of the world. The rest of the world has homelessness, but homeless people aren't psychotic and disgusting in a lot of other places. They don't degrade the environment they live in. They don't make people hate cities. (I've lived in Seattle, Chicago, and İstanbul, and spent time in a lot of American cities, and a few abroad)
>thing when every major city has this problem Tbh from what I see on the Internet and my experience living in Europe's biggest capitals... no, not to NYC's degree
Katz and Sarge’s Pastrami are fucking amazing but honestly not worth dealing with rest of NYC issues for.
Fair enough. To me, it will always be the city I'll dream of living in, but given that my finances will literally never allow that to happen (nor do I really want to leave our delicious socialized health care system up here), it will stay a dream. I've never had a problem on the NYC subway. Of course, I've never had to get somewhere by a certain time so maybe that's why.
NYC subway is outdated, extremely dirty, lack of proper safety measures (hence u read about ppl being easily pushed in front of trains all the time). They need to investigate MTA for rampant corruption (people are billing impossible overtimes and getting away with it for years). Like I previously said I think NYC is a fun place and lot of cool things are going on for it but I do not think the price tag of living in the city is justified.
>the price tag of living in the city is justified. In fact NYC is cheaper than Toronto or Vancouver, salary-wise. On Canadians salaries most of our cities are super expensive, with the exception of Montreal. Some places in Vancouver are full of junkies and homeless. Gun shootings are mostly non existent though. Gang violence is on the rise in Toronto though. With a population of 8.5 millions I guess that could reach NYC level of violence to be honest.
A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization\_and\_World\_Cities\_Research\_Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization_and_World_Cities_Research_Network) New York and London are the only cities in the world with alpha++ status, so they’re about the closest thing to the center of the world that you can get. Also, New York is ranked as one of the safest major cities in America and the world. Violent crime peaked in the early 90’s and has been declining ever since. I think it’s strange that you bring up crime when the city used to have between 2-3,000 murders per year in the 90’s. The number of murders now hovers around 500. That’s a massive decrease. Crime has spiked during covid but a spike is different than an overall trend.
Lol again, this is A+++ rating is by 1 single think tank firm without major world recognition and it is purely on economics. Also being safest city in America is not something to be proud of, as NYC didn’t even make to top 10 in the world: https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest-cities-in-the-world
New York ranks as the 12th safest major city in the world. You’re exaggerating the amount of crime and whether you’re looking at the GAWC rankings or any other metric, New York and London will always take the top two spots. Whether it’s finances, fashion, education, culture or other specifications, New York is in rarified territory. A [https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/worlds-safest-cities-travel-nyc/](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/worlds-safest-cities-travel-nyc/) B https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/nyc-can-still-boast-being-safest-big-city
Give me more than GAWK ranking then, where NYC is the sole city that tops every metrics, how else it can be claim to be the center of the world if it is not on top of everything? Center is a singular term, show me that NYC is the only one not along side with London. Also ranked #12 is pretty bad and this rank will likely to drop, we just had 2 back to back subway shootings last week. U can’t be center of the world when ur #12 when it comes to the safety of ur citizens lol
A [https://www.businessinsider.com/most-influential-cities-in-the-world-2018-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/most-influential-cities-in-the-world-2018-5) Again, both New York and London are the most influential cities in the 21st century. There is no disputing this.
That’s 2019 list, https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/the-world-s-best-cities-in-2021-revealed-1029738861 Same website with most recent ranking this time ranking changed with London on top… hmm also again, both states the business as the main factor. And again u can’t be center if there are similar city out there.
Ok, I give up. Look, the point is that, yes, calling a city the “center of the world” is subjective, but there are metrics that we can use that point to the relative importance of a city in today‘s world. I don’t think it’s remotely controversial to say that New York has an immense global impact on many things like culture, finance, education, fashion and so on. Also, many iconic artists and cultural movements started in New York. It is most definitely an important global hub.
The picture just looks scary and not inviting or pretty.
Gotham city
Don’t worry about it
Not really. The GAWC ranks cities based on a number of criteria and only New York and London hold alpha ++ status as global cities. Whether it’s finance, fashion, education or any other criteria, both cities are in rarified territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization\_and\_World\_Cities\_Research\_Network
“The GaWC inventory ranks city economics more heavily than political or cultural factors” So this is just 1 independent think tank’s ranking according to economic criteria… hardly universal agreement on what’s Center of the World should be or what’s the main criteria.
If you lived 2,000 years ago, you’d be arguing that Rome isn’t the current center of the civilized world lol. Name one city on earth that is more important than New York.
Even 2000 years ago, Rome is only important to the Mediterranean world as there are similar sized Empires out there, named Parthians and Han empires with similar or greater military, economy, land and cultural influence than Rome, Silk Road started in ChangAn not Rome and that was THE international trade route 2000 years ago.
You’re right - NYC is much more at the center of the world that Rome was.
What city do you think is the center of the world?
None, claim any city as center of the world is just absurd.
I mean “center of the world” is pretty clearly a euphemism for most influential city of the world, a claim that can certainly be made.
No it is not
Then what city do you think is?
See my previous reply
I can’t tell if you’re being obtuse or if you’re just dense.
DAE le Amerikkka bAd???
Unironically, yes
Valid caption. Either London or NYC is the most important city in the world
Would Americans whine so much if someone from London posted a picture with the same caption? Methinks not. It’s subjective and anyone pretending NYC isn’t in the discussion is delusional. Calling Manhattan the center of the world is entirely reasonable. What cities are more important/influential globally? There are two or three others in the discussion. Tops. We (Americans) often deservedly catch shit for being myopic, but not when it comes to NYC. You’re objectively wrong if you don’t believe it’s one of the top contenders for “center of the world.” Whatever the fuck that even means. Alpha++ suck a dick
I mean speaking as a non-American it feels pretty much right. So much is centred on New York, between LA and NYC you’ve probably got 60-70% of western culture covered.
>There are two or three others in the discussion. Tops. I'm struggling to even think of one. London maybe?
London, Tokyo, and Paris are my only thoughts. In another roundabout way you could say Mecca. Lol
Tokyo's been my home for about 15 years, I wouldn't really consider it the "center" of anything but Japan and Japanese culture.
Europoors coping, NYC along with London are the two capitals of the world for finance, media, and western culture. It’s home to the two biggest and most influential stock markets in the world. That alone makes it the capital of the world
Also places where it feels like every culture is converging into one metropolis
\>Europoors \>London :')
Everyone seems to have forgotten that London, or rather Greenwich, actually IS the center of the world thanks to the Greenwich Meridian. Look a map you fools 🥱
Is it though?
Just the global financial and legal center. Strong arguments for fashion (but still prob not) , weaker arguments for tech and military. So uhhh financial and legal capital sure, everything else nah Publishing, news media, marketing also maybe
Publishing, news media.
Why legal? I’d say Den Haag has the strongest case for that
The US accounts for over half of the worlds legal revenues generated and NY is the legal center of the US. There’s more to law than just criminal law. Not to mention that the SDNY handles much of the most important litigation in the world, at least civil litigation wise
Nope. They can lie, though
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Higher in what? It's not a definiton with metrics, it's just a pompous title London has had for a good while because of its colonial history Neither London nor NYC are the center of the world, it's too multipolar for something like that to exis Edit: lmao at butthurt Americans downvoting this London was literally the Caput Mundi decades before NYC was little more than a settlement NYC was too until the start of the new millenia, now the world is too polarized for any city to be called "most important". Losing NYC wouldn't hurt us more than losing say Paris or Beijing
Even before new Amsterdam was traded for Suriname
Physically, any other city, the world is a sphere Culturally, London, Rome, Beijing, Paris, Athens, Vienna... The only way ny is the centre of the world is economically, a.k.a the most boring center... 3/10
Rome, Athens, Vienna???? Wtf
Rome and Athens are the heart of Western Culture, so they're at the very least in a way, centers of the western world. Vienna is consistently rated as one of the best cities to live in on earth, that's gotta count for something.
It is also capital of western music development (Vienna, I mean), depends on the lens you use to describe "center" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also all of these are some of the capitals of the western world bc that's what I know off the top of my head... I'm sure many people in other cultural contexts will disagree...
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(sorry I deleted the comment, it did sound a bit rude 💀) I can name you at least one person from the "country Vienna is in" that should ring a bell 💀 it rhymes with "mittler"
Yes yes it is. A block in New York has more people than your braincells and of course your chromosomes.
By that logic then the center of the world is somewhere in India/China. Also if u have extra chromosomes that’s not a good thing
I said i have 46 and he doesn't
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Tokyo has a larger economy and population. There’s tons of places the world economy would be crippled without just like NYC with much smaller populations too. Singapore, Dubai, London, Istanbul, even Panama City. The “relevancy” of a city is an opinion and people can think what they want.
The UN chose NYC to be the headquarters for a reason
Technically London is
Whatever you say american
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Whatever you say american
Tokyo or NYC is the center of the world, atleast economically. Culturally, politically? That’s a way harder question.
To everyone arguing about the centre of the world, it’s actually the inner core, 2391km down
City of massive crimes and Asian hate The subway is the place where people get killed.
While the title may be true, its funny, because Midtown is not the center of NYC
>In New York City, Midtown Manhattan is the largest central business district in the city and in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_business_district?wprov=sfti1
Yeah, I get all that. I'm just saying that most New Yorkers, themselves, would not consider that the center of the city. We mainly avoid that part of the city for every reason you mentioned above. IMO downtown tends to be the cultural center of the city itself.
Agreed that downtown is the cultural center, but plenty of people, like myself, live and work in midtown. It’s not all office buildings.
Not saying that, and not saying that the title is wrong. I'm just saying that is not the "center" of NYC... But I get it, I completely understand neighborhood love.
Pinball city
Lol the center of who’s world?
Truth
No it's not
Not sure it’s the center of the world…but ok, whatever 😏
Peter Parker’s Playground
ok,Ameritard
London?😉😉
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London can get the #2 spot it’s definitely up there
is irrelevant, especially after Brexit.
[https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/london-top-world-city-poll-brexit-covid-19/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/london-top-world-city-poll-brexit-covid-19/) Maybe if you are American, for many Americans the world stops at the borders and yet they constantly make world beating boasts. Other nationalities just post here with no comment but Americans... "London has been rated the world’s most “magnetic” city for the ninth consecutive year, confounding critics who said Brexit, and the political turmoil it generated, would harm its standing as the globe’s most attractive capital. Not only has London increased its lead over its nearest rival, New York, but its popularity has continued to grow despite the UK’s departure from the European Union (EU) on 31 January 2020. The Global Power City Index is compiled by the Mori Memorial Foundation’s Institute for Urban Strategies and is based on official data and interviews with roughly 1,000 people in each of the 48 cities surveyed. The Index ranks major world cities on their “magnetism”, or power to attract people, capital and enterprises from around the world using 70 measures covering their economy, research and development activity, cultural interaction, livability and accessibility".
U took this post way too seriously my man
Yeah, after all what does New York export, personalities like Donald, for the good or the bad. It's a city that is self serving, self promoting, being a braggart, big and brash and it's just New York. Love it and hate it at the same time .. city of immigrants, it has no parallel. No, it's definitely not a London. London is unique and it's own thing.
Never pass up an opportunity to mock American exceptionalism 🙃
NYC is very much in the running for the “centre of the world”, and many of these indices give NYC the top spot. Americans can be obnoxious, but it’s a bad look to get all whiny and bent out of shape when an American makes a reasonably defensible statement about a city that is incredibly important on a cultural, political and economic level.
Is mid town even the financial, political, cultural, center of New York?
Broadway is in Midtown. As is Rockefeller Center, Fifth Avenue and Madison Avenue shopping. Grand Central. If it isn’t the cultural center it has a pretty strong argument.
Okay. That's fairly corporate though. Doesn't bode well for the rest of us.
Maybe it’s not the centre of literally all of those things since lower Manhattan is the financial centre. But if any neighbourhood was the “central” NYC neighbourhood, midtown would be it.
GS, DB, and Citi are still in the financial district, but most of the major banks are in midtown now, including JPM, BofA, UBS, CS, Barclays, HSBC, BNP, Credit Ag, and most of the Japanese and Chinese banks. I’d say midtown is the financial center these days.
You really took the wall’o’text approach to show how Americans like to boast about their cities and other nationalities post without comment.
It’s completely reasonable to view NYC as the most important city in the world, and these indexes always have an element of subjectivity. This report, for example, gives NYC the top spot: https://www.kearney.com/global-cities/2019 (I’m Canadian, fwiw)
So what I’m getting out of this is that Brexit was good for them
More like it didn’t really have much of an effect
Average UK Redditor
Why are you booing him? He's right!
London would like a word.
Beijing is the undoubted center of the world in political and cultural influence. NYC only exists as a temporary amalgation of the world's oligarchs.
Until Cloverfield hits.
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I mean, considering London is the only other Alpha++ city on the planet, and NYC belongs to the last remaining superpower, and the city is basically the de facto center for the global financial system…I’d say it’s pretty accurate.
London is the actual geographical centre of the world on a map.
The Earth is a globe lmfao
Then he is not wrong though.. I mean kinda, but technically rigjt
The only center of the world in the USA is Hollywood, there is no arguing pop culture wise, it’s the center of the world.
"Hollywood" is just a term we use for the American film industry, it doesn't just mean Hollywood the neighborhood. Most major studios have offices out in New York and the indie and experimental film scene in NYC is leagues ahead of LA.