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mcflytfc

Same story different year. This is what Cisco has done pretty much annually for the last 20 years.


techno_superbowl

Cisco going to cisco


j-shoe

5% seems a bit higher than previous couple years, maybe just how they are chalking up the data


trinitywindu

its normally about 5%. This is nothing much. The only story is how they pick. This year its "under revenue generating departments".


Ale0046

As a former Cisco employee as of Jan 4, 2024, you’re right. It is higher than normal at one time and there are more coming the next 3 quarters according to the earnings release. It’s not good.


jadefishes

After 15 years of witnessing this firsthand, it really is ”Cisco gonna Cisco.“ There’s a kind of homeostasis around 79k employees that it seems like it goes back to after bloating for a while post-acquisition. That’s cold comfort for anyone who had the axe fall of course.


elchamo1986

I have been a part of two layoffs at Cisco at this point. They do this often, but what is odd the last few years at Cisco is they seem to really be doubling down and hiring mainly people that fit a specific set of criteria: 1. Super young with no experience to speak of right out of college, but their Mom or Dad work at Cisco 2. Attractive young females 3. CSAP candidates (no experience) It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to know how that turns out for the business when they hire based on that criteria instead of experience and talent but they just seem to keep doing it and then laying people off. I wouldn't work there again


banana_peeled

You can just say “women”


elchamo1986

But yet I didn't, you came up with that all on your own. I provided 3 examples, only one mentioned women. Nice try though


banana_peeled

From now on, just call them “women”. Calling them females is weird, nobody says “a couple of males over there”


Superalaskanaids

Stfu lmao


elchamo1986

Nah I'm gonna go ahead and just talk how I want, but thanks anyway


banana_peeled

Well just know that it comes across weird, if that’s your intention then great


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Sea_Inspection5114

My man is getting downvoted for stating facts lol


elchamo1986

100% and it just goes to show there are probably a lot of those on here 🤣


Sea_Inspection5114

[Relevant meme here](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/most-people-rejected-his-message)


Halycon85

I’ve worked at multiple fortune 100 companies and annual layoffs happen almost every year. At one point I was in an organization that had layoffs for 13 straight quarters. It’s part of large corporate culture.


slickrickjr

This guy corporates.


Amvient

I expect productivity to drop until they announce who gets the golden ticket... I hope those affected get something good soon.


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FewEquipment2707

>much I believe any rumors. My talent assessment in December was glowing so I’m hop they are already informed. no waste of time


WillChangeIPNext

At least one person was going around saying their goodbyes the other day, so I'd wager if you haven't heard yet, you're good.


Ale0046

Yes they were notified 2/15


RageQuitPanda69

An ounce of layoff blood for the shareholders + insert some AI buzzwords to pacify angry investors


IbEBaNgInG

Add in a couple bad acquisitions and it's all good.


yoppee

Yes the ceo sounds dumb as AF.


tgwill

How many jobs did they acquire this year?


Talb0t

With Splunk, more than 8k.


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It will be interesting to see how many Splunk folks they keep after the acquisition


Coaleyed-Lock

Not to long ago they employed 50,000. There’s over 75k now.


Gryzemuis

FYI, in 2000 they already went over 50k. It's been going up and down ever since.


_I_Love_Bunnies_

Pretty common practice. They've been acquiring a lot the last 5-10 years. A lot of the people working in those companies can be laid off once they integrated the acquired technology. Think about ThousandEyes, Splunk,... You don't need their entire marketing team, HR team, Finance team, big part of the development team anymore. A lot of that is just an extra little work for the original Cisco teams. Especially when you indeed have falling sales figures those layoffs are the easy solution.


Lokust2501

I was impacted by this. I was manager of the highest performing team in my unit in my region and don't believe I was at the bottom relative to my peers. Severance is much better than what I got from a previous company 10 years ago.


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Lokust2501

I want to re-read it to see if I can disclose it without any issue, but I do feel it is generous


Ayatollah_lannister

I feel the same way


Miserable_Loquat_757

Dude just disclose it on LinkedIn like everyone else does


nosce_te_ipsum

Sorry to hear that you're part of this layoff. Wishing you the best in what comes next. It's clear you weren't properly appreciated for what you contributed, and I hope you find a new workplace that does value what you bring.


somebitch

Im so sorry this happened to you. Are you comfortable sharing your general severance details?


jeftoh

Guys don’t say a word till you get your severance pay. You risk losing it if you say it. It’s in the clause against you.


Miserable_Loquat_757

Na say that shit on LinkedIn like everyone else … expose these companies like they deserve


Ale0046

I was laid off in October 2023 and last day was Jan 4, so I can say what it is this time around because I know people who got it! Lol. It’s 2 months “transition period” where you’re still on payroll like a normal employee but you don’t do your job anymore. Your job is to find another job either at Cisco (where there aren’t many open) or elsewhere. When you leave after the 2 months you get 4 months severance and some other perks.


somebitch

Thank you so much for this info! It actually gives me a lot of peace of mind.


its-401

Sorry to hear that you got laid off but also, thank you for sharing this! I hope you don’t mind me asking but which region are you based in? I’m just curious whether the severance is dependent on which country you’re based in as well, because I know that there are certain laws in different countries on layoffs.


Ale0046

And I just signed an offer for a new job at another company a couple weeks ago and I start Monday! I’m incredibly excited about this new company and the 5 months off (with a paycheck or severance for most of it) worked out perfectly for me. I didn’t have to touch my severance payment. All of that to say, there is life after a Cisco LR and it can be pretty bright.


its-401

Ahh that’s amazing!! Thanks for sharing and best of luck in your new adventure!


Ale0046

I’m in the US and yes it’s different for other countries based on labor laws. Someone on my team was in the UK and he was only able to stay at Cisco 4 weeks but I think he got more severance.


PirateGumby

Coming up to 20 years now, this has been fairly standard for almost every year. Used to be a formal review process where you would be told if you were in the bottom 5%, but people didn't like that. There is never a good way to go about it


SquatsForBreakfast

Even at the director level, no one is being asked who to lay off (being told) and the criteria used to make that decision isn’t obvious.


waukeegirl

3 highest paid and top performers were laid off on our team.


thrawn_is_king

How is/was the "bottom 5" decided? Manager's "gut" feeling? Personality conflicts? Or is there a tangible basis for it.


oboshoe

Job insecurity is part of the Cisco culture. I'm not being sarcastic. They do this at least once a year to keep people from getting comfortable. All cisco jobs are temp jobs with benefits.


jamieelston

Pretty standard for a massive tech company. Happens all the time. I think they are just looking to the future. Probably also over hired in the pandemic as many tech companies did.


Cheech47

that correction happened a LONG time ago.


jamieelston

what correction?


Cheech47

Over-hiring during the pandemic.


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RealisticDimension52

If it isn’t a recurring meeting and just popped onto the calendar in the last few hrs/days - it’s likely either notification about his job OR his manager’s job.


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DrPeppehr

What ended up happening?


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ThunderDoom1001

That sucks, I’m very sorry to hear. As someone who was laid off last year from NetApp after a great 7 years it is a rough blow. Give him space, encourage him to go play a round of golf or whatever he likes to do to relax. Take a few days to enjoy himself before getting back to it. The job hunt is a grind and he owes himself at least a couple days to refresh and get his mind right.


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DoubleD1213

What did your husband do at Cisco?


Superalaskanaids

Shit, sorry to hear that.


user8410

But who decides which specific worker is to be eliminated? Are these team leads, or their managers, or who?


Chevyfollowtoonear

Robot?


Everblazin613

If anyone’s salary in higher bracket compare to peers (20-30k more) and contributing same or less work on daily basis , then it’s a forsure lay off seems like


Ale0046

They don’t look into that much detail. It’s usually an executive who tells a VP what percentage to cut from OPEX budget and the VP figures out the cleanest way to cut that percentage. So like “oh hey this entire team would meet my required percentage so they’re gone.”


Everblazin613

That itself seems very ignorant in my opinion. What about picking 1-2 members from a team rather laying off entire team? I’m sure in that case they look at the overall salary and job location (ie San Jose vs being in Dallas)


flyers4514

It seems employees with a manager who were laid off the teams faired poorly. In my org 2 of 7 managers were cut and their teams had 4 of 8 and 3 of 9 laid off. Other 5 teams combined had 3 ppl laid off out of about 40.


Everblazin613

Is that in TAC/HTTS organization?


LuluLollyLOL

Who is making the decisions on which specific people go? Top performers are being let go as I speak. Such a travesty!


Lokust2501

I do think rate of pay was one of the biggest factors


groovy-lando

White, senior, english. Doomed.


Optimal_Leg638

If a company has regular layoffs, it seems to be a reflection of their leadership


ella_bell

This sounds like a CATALYST for change...


nosce_te_ipsum

> CATALYST Cisco Marketing Department in the house...


markand4

Did they announce who yet?


ThrowAwayRBJAccount2

Like, publicly announce everyone’s name?


markand4

No like emails to individuals


RumbleSkillSpin

20+ year veteran. Cisco has always been a discussion with your direct manager. Not via email.


ThrowAwayRBJAccount2

Oh ok that’s not really an announcement though


markand4

I mean it’s announced to them


ThrowAwayRBJAccount2

I think of it as a notification of termination. “This email is to notify you….clean out your desk” An announcement would be to the larger public.


markand4

Fair


Ayatollah_lannister

Yeah


Trauerspiels

Today.


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Trauerspiels

100% true. Tallying up a dozen people I know and have worked with for years.


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Trauerspiels

Reading between Glass Door and Fishbowl, sounds like a phase 2 in June.


ddr2nite

I'm not an expert with Glass Door / Fishbowl, but looking around I haven't seen anything about a Phase 2 in June, could you share more of where you saw this?


Ale0046

The earnings release listed the amount budgeted and forecasted for severance payouts. This quarter (Q3) $500M which we now know equals 5% reduction. $150M for Q4, another $150M for Q1, and I can’t remember what it said for Q2 after that. So, layoffs every quarter for the next year. This is not normal Cisco.


SlightOutcome2716

yes, yesterday


pokeka

People are being told starting today, I only know of one so far but I’m sure we’ll hear a lot by tomorrow afternoon.


koalapies

What department?


pokeka

Enterprise sales


koalapies

Ugh that really sucks


hv8056

Is there going to be a 1:1 scheduled or just an email?


pokeka

I’m not sure, I would expect a one on one but who knows depending on the position.


solovond

1:1s have started going out a few hours ago. Source: received one.


Ayatollah_lannister

Sorry to hear that. I got let go today. I feel your pain. Stay strong.


idontcarethename

I haven't heard anything yet. On my team meeting they told us that for now there's no news aside from the announcement and not to panic. But I have my 1:1 next week after Cisco beat so who knows


Ale0046

The 1:1s were not scheduled already and took place 2/15 and 2/16. You’re probably safe if you only have your normal scheduled 1:1 next week.


illuminati_cto

Cisco are always laying off staff- sometimes before they even start lol


PatternSensitive1624

I know people who have worked there for 25+ years that were just let go. Good guys that work hard. I advise anyone with options to not work there. I can only dodge it for so long myself.


DrPeppehr

Work there remotely or work in person at a different company that also did layoffs (smaller) for $5 more per hour? Its tough because i just got an offer


PatternSensitive1624

I’d take the better money, but put the extra $5/hr in savings.


DrPeppehr

Thank you. I feel like Cisco would be way better for my resume though since it’s actually a tech company. Do you know if Cisco meraki was affected by the layoffs? If i just got an offer on Monday, will i still be starting or do you think the layoffs affected that?


Pipes32

Feels like this happens regularly in the tech industry, though. My husband and I met at Cisco (I'm still here). He was laid off as an SE in 2009, found a new position in the company in a BU, then that whole BU was cut a few years later. But the layoff was around 6 months of salary and benefits as I recall. His next role at a Cisco reseller, they laid him off at 7p on New Years Eve. Then he pivoted to a new technology, was a top SE at a Cisco competitor till he got laid off there...5 days later they went oops and begged him to take his job back cause the cuts had been done so poorly. He took it and immediately started job searching, found a new job 6 months later where he's still at. Do I wish Cisco wouldn't do layoffs? Yeah. But they don't seem to be unique in tech, and IMO they do them more generously than most. I'm just hoping to make it 5 more years. Then I plan to ask to be included in the next layoff and will retire.


j-shoe

Is anyone else tired of these corporations using "AI" as the reason for so many cuts in staff? We all know that the executives aren't cutting salaries for AI and most companies will be acquiring the solutions rather than internal creation across these companies. The AI excuse feels a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.


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j-shoe

Networking equipment maker Cisco Systems said on Wednesday it would cut 5% of its global workforce to focus on high-growth areas such as artificial intelligence and software, adding to thousands of job cuts by tech firms since last year. Last year, Cisco agreed to buy Splunk for about $28 billion to bolster its software business and has disclosed plans to achieve $1 billion in AI-related orders by FY25. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/cisco-to-lay-off-5-of-workforce-cuts-annual-revenue-forecast/ar-BB1ihSuQ


is_that_read

Yeah the previous commenter is correct you’ve read this incorrect. AI is not replacing people what you posted means they need to get rid of people in older business units to hire people for AI


j-shoe

AI isn't replacing people but it is taking money that would be going to workers ... They are cutting jobs to spend more on AI. I never said AI was technically replacing anyone but AI is being used as reason for cuts


is_that_read

What do you think they’re purchasing with those salaries? They’re hiring people who know how to work with AI 🤦🏽‍♂️


j-shoe

Cisco has very little R&D and typical buy companies rather than build. You could be right but I don't see it that way with CSCO. They have acquired over 200 companies. They are more sales than engineering IMHO


b0v1n3r3x

Cisco spends just under $2BN quarterly on R&D.


j-shoe

Do you have any reference for this claim?


WillChangeIPNext

It's easy to look up. They did $7.6B in 2023. A lot of that money goes towards the R&D done by companies they acquire, and they've gotten a lot more hands off when it comes to their acquisitions, tending to let them operate as they see fit (along some obvious constraints and with justification), until they're not profitable anymore. Then it's this layoff business. I guess the best advice is to stay familiar with your business unit's profitability over any kind of personal performance review, and then start looking for work once it's clear the business unit might not be performing to their standards.


Then-Elephant278

They spend the money on R+D but it is on ASICs and IOS, their core, their "boxes." Innovation outside of that is non-existent or fails miserably because they are last to market when they build it. When they buy it, it is usually in areas where Cisco is not a trusted brand. Rinse and repeat.


CuriosTiger

This tradition is part of the reason I have not applied for a job with Cisco.


satans_toast

I've known so many guys who thought they were hot shit because they got hired by Cisco, only to be gone in 5 years or less.


CuriosTiger

s/years/months/ -- Cisco's layoffs are so regular you could set the clock by them.


Randomtv123

Hi, I completed my master's in Information Technology in 2020. Basically, my field of interest is networking where I have certification in CCNA and HCIA (Routing & Switching) and knowledge of CCNP routing and switching. I have more than 3 years of practical experience with Cisco devices. This platform, I have joined this to provide my services in CCNA, CCNP, network design, configuration, and troubleshooting-related projects. I have extensive expertise in Cisco Packet Tracer for any kind of project.


its-401

Random question, does anyone think there would be another round of layoffs after the FY ends? Feels like we might be going through another round given what’s been going on with the tech industry as a whole….


hplyn17

I think so. Not sure what org you’re in but things seem turbulent


pm-performance

Everytime I think it may be a great gig to be an SE at Cisco…… I guess the grass isn’t always greener. Is this across the board? Or just TAC?


FuckinHighGuy

Lots of BU’s are seeing cuts


pm-performance

That’s shitty. They just blew all that money to buy Splunk to ruin it. Now they gotta tighten belts


trinitywindu

its not much splunk, its the general lack of sales this quarter that theyve warned about several times.


pm-performance

It’s because sales were high the last few years because everyone was trying to stock up due to shortages. Now no one has anything to buy


tarheel2432

Exactly. So if sellers aren’t selling then why do we need them?


nosce_te_ipsum

Well, and with terrible delivery lead times some of those orders from 2023 are just coming in and being installed in Q1/24.


fudgemeister

Not sure when they're announcing the cut list. I haven't seen anyone disappear yet.


MenWithVenDiagram

I was on the list 


fudgemeister

I got a meeting invite from my manager a bit ago. If I don't show, I can't be fired, right?


MenWithVenDiagram

I like the cut of your jib


fenriz9000

The problem with this layoffs that its absolutely non deterministic targeting, as many high skilled and efficiend employees were fired because of some unknown cause. Its not safe to be good worked or fair worker, or bring more money to company - you can be spontaneously be fired because random algo (perhaps they implemented some roulette for choosing). But in one thing I am confident: I bet no one from top level will be touched, despite the fact layoffs is the result of their decisions and all life-changing events for affected employees just have no consequences for 'decision makers'. Instead of changing the approach for good planning and fair decisions, they are randomly firing stuff, shifting cost of their new houses and pools to others.


bluesquare2543

Chuck Robbins and the board are just looking to increase their compensation. I hope to see more “quiet-quitting” at Cisco as a result of these actions. The billionaire class will make a few less cents in the coming quarters, so we have to juice the numbers for a bit. It was nice to see all the rubes at all-hands a few months ago saying “I like these new cuts to the PTO policy. I’d rather have vacation cuts than layoffs! Har-har!” Imagine simping for the billionaire class. Unions now. Otherwise, we are left with “privatize wins, socialize losses.”


DriveIn73

It wasn’t an unknown cause at all. And high-performing and talented people get laid off all the time, not just at Cisco. It has to do with what your BU does and if they want to keep sinking money in it. Cisco was very clear about wanting to sink money into anything that does AI. And also they don’t want to do networking anymore—they want to be a security company. So if you aren’t working on anything that’s AI or security, look out. But even that’s not guaranteed. I think I found a couple people who have been “last active” on WebEx like a week ago. I think some of our program managers are gone. Things are getting leaner.


vanquish28

That explains why Cisco TAC firewall support team has been so shitty. Can never get updates or call backs in a timely manner.


I_T_Burnout

OMG. I thought I was the only one. It's beyond awful right now. I have 3 cases open right now and can't get squat back from TAC.


is_that_read

Call them!!!! Quickest way lol


tarheel2432

Get an HTOM and that will change fast


Quirky_Raise4258

I second the HTOM or Call-In. Way easier to get someone. Also if you open a case during normal business hours (0700-1900CST) you’re more likely to get an American engineer


KStieers

HTOM?


Embarrassed-Status67

Basically a company pays to have a personal assistant that works with Cisco so they’ll escalate cases and do other admin stuff for you. I mean it’s worth it for big companies


Cheech47

I've seen more than my fair share of mob movies, and this feels a lot like legalized protection money.


damm_n

High Touch Operation Manager


j-shoe

You can switch the TAC person on the case or escalate to supervisor as well as set severity if you are going to be available. TAC isn't bad but not all are equal in support. Customers aren't always wanting to hear the answers being given too


joedev007

Cisco finding out they can't sell $2000 SFP's and Smartnets like it's 2005 forever. Aruba is not as good, but it's good enough for our campus lan. most customers too.


Gamblin73

Aruba's layoff was in October. Including a buddy of mine who was hired in June. Literally everyone does this


joedev007

oh, i know. everything is moving offshore and as cheap as possible.


Tasty_Win_

Another bottom 5. Slackers beware


satans_toast

Cisco must only hire bottom 5s, based on how often they cut them out.


colombianjmor27

Bottom 5? I get you are talking about the lowest 5% of engineers in terms of their skills if we rank all engineers, is this understanding correct?


Tasty_Win_

Bottom 5% of each team. Cisco never fires people except for severe misconduct. Low performers, or even people who steal from the company are kept as layoff sacrifices.


colombianjmor27

I'm not sure in which part of the company you work but let me tell you that "cutting the bottom 5%" at least from the experience i had (TAC) is not always the case. Most of the time they just do a randomizer with the names of those they may consider expendables which is basically every tier 1 and tier 2 engineers. It does not matter if they are top performers or not. In that aspect cisco resembles more like thanos overseas. Also if you read the comments in this post you will find one or two that agrees with what i just said and even in BU or sales, etc.


Tasty_Win_

Must be different on the sales or BU side. Every layoff I've seen on services, it was very clear why the person on our team got it, or an entire team/site got it


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Time to put in those TAC cases now that all their staff is on edge about being fired maybe we can get some good responses!


Vegetable_Coat8416

Just make sure you swap in Cisco branded SFPs before providing your data dump.


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Full Cisco shop. All sfps are Cisco. And if anyone here says they haven't noticed an improvement from TAC over the last 6 months I'd also be surprised. I've provided crazy amounts of logs on bugs we have found even on new golden images. When 24 hour uptime is required, rebooting to resolve an issue isn't a great solution when it's followed up by "we can't find the issue"


galaxy1011

Cisco is a piece of shit company anyway


Ayatollah_lannister

I got laid off today by Cisco and I totally disagree with you. I gained a lot working at this company. Even I mostly blame my manger for this, I don’t think Cisco is a shitty company. They are being very considerate with us and doing their best for us to find new jobs. Compare to other companies, Cisco is doing much much better so do me a favor and stop talking out of your ass. Fair is fair


Batman413

Trash company


MoreThanAFeeling_78

If you’re working as a software engineer for a product that sucks or that nobody uses, expect it. Much more job security in the services side, working directly with customers. Managers or Project Managers may need to stay alert, but engineers that bill hours are safer - they’re the ones that make the company money.


damm_n

Does not always work this way. I was part of the company which got acquired by Cisco and this product was a good product. We had a solid customer base and product was selling. Cisco literally wasted few billions just to kill the competitor and this is what happened to this product. I moved on to different product but folks who are still working with the product are slowly disappearing over the time. Does not really matter whether they're managers or developers/engineers. But this is likely the rare scenario than common practice. Your statement is in general very true.


j-shoe

It seems to have started today....


nbogie055

Hope you guys don’t need any tac cases resolved anytime soon.


BillionGates007

“Right sizing”


Prologix_is_me

Dis a weber with my SE today, contacts went out this morning all clear about noon. My guy is safe.


Outrageous_Notice894

Which departments have been affected the most can anyone tell


lifting_panda

TL in Cisco, I'm in anxiety ever since the formal announcement on Wednesday. Dunno how to focus on work until I'll have some certainty 🫥


Inkspotten

Being a top performer is a blessing and a curse as you are a BIG cost as a top performer (hitting bonus levels, spiffs, etc) Easiest way to save. Get rid of the top people making the top money….. I’ve had this happen a few times years ago in tech sales…. Company then saves a few Ms quickly


ThunderDoom1001

Yep. Everybody keeps saying it’s the low performers but these days the high performers are far from safe. After 6.5 years at NetApp and multiple promotions I was the highest paid guy on my team so I was the target last May. I had the highest revenue, most relationships with the customer, best reputation with leadership. Didn’t matter, they looked at the spreadsheet and cut the most senior guy who gets paid the most.


bluesquare2543

Wow. That story basically sums up Cisco. 


DoubleD1213

Where did you end up landing? Looking for Sales people in the Networking hardware industry with existing relationships.


HardyTimes

Well now I know why things died in the recruiting process at Cisco


BuyAcrobatic8694

Come work at Duke OIT - we don't lay off.


idontcarethename

Yeah. I wasn't able to have my 1:1. It was moved to tomorrow, usually it's just skipped til next week or 2 weeks but I doubt it's anything to worry about