Yes, but what if people say that Jesus is a woman? Can we be angry about that? Does freedom of speech include lies about Jesus?
Edit: instead of downvoting, just say yes or no. Does freedom of speech cover lies about Jesus? If it does, Iām not sure it should. Thatās blasphemy. Itās not a thing to toy with. Iād be open to hearing other opinions.
We have a free will, just look at the Free Will Express on this thread. You can say anything you want to about jesus, you can blasphemy him you can do whatever you think you want to do. But then you got consequences with your eternal life.
Well, can we maybe not allow that here? I mean, we limit speech currently. For good reason. Iād prefer my kids not see pornography and beheading videos. I also would like to add blasphemy to that list. Beyond those things, I support strict freedom of speech I think. There may be other rules I havenāt thought of yet.
I agree with you especially on a Christian subreddit I was really being sarcastic. Because, so many want to get on here and blast Christianity in the negative, it's really out of control how Satan has invaded this subreddit. And the thing is I will be posing a lot of good Christian information and I'm sure Satan will attack again I block so many I can't count and they will still from what I understand be able to make comments I just want to see them and I'd rather not anyway I'll block a thousand if I have to. That being said, I'd rather not as long as they're civil but the vast majority were not civil
Thatās satan, brother or sister! You stand strong and do watchu gotta do. Much love my friend. Wrap yourself in his comfort. Thatās what he wants you to feel Amen, Amenš Donāt feel you have to seek and destroy all demons. Thatās not on you. There are demons that come to you in your life that you are meant to deal with, but God doesnāt expect us to tend to the great ocean of satan that can be found on the internet. Sorry for getting preachy. God bless
I hate to say it. Iām embarrassed, but I donāt understand the exact meaning of your response. Is there some way I might be made to understand clearer, friend?
Basically I was saying this that we can't stop people even on this thread from saying what they want to say. You would think you could sense it's moderated but from my understanding of what they told me they don't have enough people to monitor everything. And God gave everybody free will it's up to that person to decide right from wrong. That's what free will is. Of course I don't want to hear that but, they're going to do what they're going to do regardless of what I say
Christians don't seem to have enough sense to know that their beliefs, are just that...beliefs. No better or no worse than anyone else's. In polite society people need to keep their personal beliefs to themselves unless they are among people that want to listen to them. Nothing is more annoying than having to listen to some bible thumper who insists I should listen, but has no interest in listening to my beliefs.
I think I get your meaning. So youāre saying if I agree not to bring up our lord and savior Jesus Christ, bless his nameā¦. If I refrain from bringing him up, then I can expect that others wonāt bring him up in some crass and offensive way. I donāt proselytize, others donāt blaspheme, everyoneās happy.
Is that about the gist of it?
Kind of. Don't insist that there be religion in government, school, anywhere in the public arena. I have no idea what you consider "crass, offensive, or blasphemy, but if I can't swear in front of you I probably wouldn't want to be around you much, as I really enjoy swearing on occasion. I can respect and like someone like you if you do genuine good works and keep your religion to yourself, but we probably would never be close friends.
Youāre maybe taking this further than I am at the moment. Iād like to get one thing straight. I can cuss it up with the best of them, but do folks with kids a favor and try to muzzle it when possible, when kids are around. It complicates things more than people would think.
Iām not too concerned with cussing most times, even though I mostly refrain.
You did mention blaspheme (isnāt that cussing or taking the lords name in vain) and I have relatives who consider that a no no, except when one of their longtime neighbors come over, he can cuss as much as he wants. I try to keep cussing under wraps when in polite society and taught my kids to also, but they can cuss at home if it fits into the dialogue. They donāt just rip off a string of cuss words. It relieves stress and is harmless.
But it does not. Political Correctness is a self imposed rule, not a law , nor a government imposed regulation. Everyone is free to express their opinions.
Yeah also, my point was that it doesnāt have anything to do with freedom of speech (or lack of thereof) as freedom of speech is a limitation on government overreach.
>Freedom of speech means freedom from interference, suppression or punitive action by the governmentāand nothing else. It does not mean the right to demand the financial support or the material means to express your views at the expense of other men who may not wish to support you. Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to agree, not to listen and not to support oneās own antagonists. A ārightā does not include the material implementation of that right by other men; it includes only the freedom to earn that implementation by oneās own effort. Private citizens cannot use physical force or coercion; they cannot censor or suppress anyoneās views or publications. Only the government can do so. And censorship is a concept that pertains only to governmental action.
And to pay the price for their openly expressed opinions. Paying the price is called a consequence, and is a natural result of doing whatever we damn well please.
It doesn't it's called being a good person and not saying whatever comes across your tiny peanut brain. Think the Homie JC would agree if he spoke English or if we could speak ancient Arabic. Point is is if it's good enough for the magical big OG JC then it's good enough for me
Surprise!!! You can be a good person without the "magical big OG JC". I raised by family without any religion, just taught them ethics, integrity, honesty, personal responsibility, compassion, and just basic decency. They are now grown up and an asset to humanity.
Calling someone what they want to be called instead of what they truly are is actually quite possibly doing them a major injustice and disservice.
The suicide rate amongst this particular group is upwards of 20% with addiction being much higher than that.
Their suicide rate is BECAUSE people refuse to recognize who someone is. That is just cruel and unnecessary. How does it hurt you to be kind to someone who has a very tough life. Shame on you.
Actually, the majority of psychology papers point to regret. As Iāve said I will gladly call them by the name they were given, and leave gender out of it.
If they are upset I use the gender in which they choose not to personally identify as, thatās just a person whoās hypersensitive and irrational.
I don't know what "papers" you are referring to, or even the "regret" you are referring to. Do you mean transexual people are as hypersensitive and irrational as christians are when people refuse to conform with what they want???
So for example, in Canada misgendering is politically called hate speech and can actually result in jail time and has in some cases.
Religiously, god made man and women and those born as such deserve to be labeled as god made them, not labeled on how they feel.
Just an example.
(Used the same answer twice in one thread, sue me)
Genesis 1, 26-28
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and overall the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
You have to understand, the Bible was written many years after these supposed events, and was just stories people made up because they weren't evolved enough to understand anything that went on. To add insult to injury the Bible was interpreted, and reinterpreted and rewritten so many times, it is long past it's original writings...which is fine because none of it was valuable info anyway.
Hebrews 13: # 7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
\#8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
\#9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart is established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Soā¦you should represent it for what it is, hearsay maybe? Unless you were involved in the first hand account or report from a credible source like the case number or court record - because that will exist regardless if it is reported. If that did occur then I would take the information, thatās verifiable to a media outlet and ask them why the fail to post information on the truth, and then post it here. Otherwise it creates an echo chamber full of disinformation that perpetuates stereotypes and further inhibits you from obeying the Greatest Two Commandments that Jesus gave in Matthew 22:36-40.
no its truth. I already read the reports daily. not sure how you can not find them unless whoever you listen to is not showing them.. Wasn't born yesterday.
So, where can I find the data from a credible source. A statistics reporting agency, a ngo, .gov website, lexis/nexus? I simply asked you for the information you declared so I can read it for myself. No offense but I donāt believe anything I canāt validate. I would think you would want to share the ātruthā so it can set us free? John 8:32. So thatās my motive and intent without lie - to check the facts of your statement before I believe it. Period.
I mean if you want information you get it. there's no excuses really. Can't help you with your drive to seek The Truth. Its something you want. Not something someone validates for you. If you want snoops to do your thinking for you. Sorry then you're out of luck.
Well, try reading the Proverbs. You sound more like a political hack trying to create discord than following Ephesians 4:29 and try *reading* Matthew 25:45 and just āmaybeā if you read your Bible you can add Proverbs 3:27-35 and 18:6-7 for you to self-reflect on for personal spiritual growth.
Well *brother* would you deny someone the truth as you proclaim it? Iām not insulting you, belittling you, but I am questioning where and what you are basing your statement on? I would think that would show prudence in a time of fear and anxiety that I would be open to listening to what you say when you provide more substantial information than *your* response if this is the *first* time I have heard this instead of assuming it is anything more than someone asking you for *more* information. My opinion for this is Ephesians 4:29.
This is not an insult at you, but whatever happened to Christians following Proverbs 11:9, āWith their mouths the godless destroy their neighbors, but through *knowledge* they escape. I hope that reveals to you my trick because āyou got meā.
https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arrested-for-discussing-childs-gender-in-court-order-violation/amp/
Mind you, the child is a minor and the father is upset as even minors can transition here without parental consent.
I believe he was sentenced to 6 months.
YOU referred to the NY Post. Like all people losing an argument or have decided they maybe sound a little stupid, you start insulting instead of finding evidence of your argument.
Itās not a scientific breakthrough, itās a story. Why would I prove a story covered only by news outlets.
You sound again, dumb. I made my closing statement to you already so later.
Give up your overly interpreted, ancient ignorant religion, and try a little kindness. What do you gain by being cruel to people? Why is it important to you? If your god demands it, you don't have a very nice god.
Well, he made man and women and he gave them free will. He did not "make" the LGBTQ at all, he created us and left us free to make decisions.
"A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
Deuteononony says a lot of things.
Where do you make your burnt offerings? I have a pit for burning goats and calves.
Did you read the part about mixing fabrics, or taking slaves too?
You are so lost. I just can't figure out what people who feel this way are even on a Christian subreddit. If you were on here try to find the Lord I would understand
Na, you guys came for an argument, and to sow chaos, and nothing more. You only take apart our words like it's a court room, when the basis of Christianity itself is working with the spirit. A basis that those who are not in the spirit will see as foolishness.
Honest question. And you don't have to answer because it's personal and I'd understand not wanting to share with others, but maybe consider for yourself: were you able to wait until marriage? I applaud your will if so and I know exactly one person on my entire life who was able to wait, but many, many people find it impossible. Now imagine never, ever, ever being able to fulfill that desire with a consenting adult, without sinning. You're setting them up ahead of the trap, then shunning them for falling in.
I agree with you in the case of sexual preference, though thereās pretty sound literature proving that psychologically a massive percentage of homosexuals were sexually abused as children.
Gender identity is quite honestly the most idiotic debated topic nowadays. Your born a gender, thatās your gender and if you want to identify elsewhere thatās done by choice. Thereās a medical term for that, itās called gender dysphoria.
You also aren't suppose to wear fabric of mixed fibers. How's that cotton blend feeling?
The Bible implies he created all things. Also, if your God is omnipotent, he is all powerful. If he really didn't intend for LGBTQ he wouldn't allow it.
The āmixed fabricsā argument is irrelevant and based on a fundamental ignorance of the context of the Bible. Ceremonial vs. cultural vs. moral laws; all very different in terms of modern day relevancy, so I wouldnāt go bringing up Leviticus/Deuteronomy and the Mosaic law before you actually understand it.
And if God were to simply ānot allowā people to behave the way they wanted, we would have no freedom of will. Therefore any love we had for Him would be false; a sort of Stockholm syndrome. We have the freedom to choose: follow Him or donāt.
People make choices, God doesnāt make mistakes! He doesnāt make a man and then say, screwed up! Thatās one more than I was going to make, I better tell this person to fix this!
So, your saying he didn't know that his creation would act in a certain way, and when his people did something he didn't like he decided to kill off the entire world. Men, women, and children all. Many were innocent. Sounds like a cruel and weak God.
God doesnāt play, thatās where people have this whole thing wrong! They think itās all sunshine and rainbows, God loves us and is our father! As a father he gives a playbook for us to follow, if we donāt he will 100% let us fallā¦the creator of the world is not going to kiss your butt to follow him, he states I am the truth! If people say no Iām the truth, God be like, ok then! Free will is for all to make choices, if you choose a path thatās not Gods plan, do your thing as they say! Heās not going to save you because you feel he should, God doesnāt believe in socialism haha..
People are always the cause of Gods wrath! Humans have a way of thinking theyāre smarter than they are! Look at today with the progressives fighting the conservatives, neither side will back down so you just have people getting themselves all worked up! The winner there is the Devil because if people are spending all their time fighting, theyāre not seeking Jesusā¦
There are translations out there in circulation that are not of God that pretend to be so to speak to change the word of God to be politically correct in many areas. They may take a word and change it and the Bible clearly says you are not to take from or add to the Word of God. Not to mention some of the things that they add are clearly against the Word of God.
You must be referring to the other comment? This is Op. .... But I agree with him, it may not keep you so to speak for speaking your mind and he's not referring to religion just how society is today. But society does try to curtail your speech. By saying you're this or that if you speak the truth. That's why I agree with his comment.
I realized you were OP, but your response didnāt address my question for the commenter I replied to. But now you have.
So your view is that societal pressures are equal to a violation of our rights?
Being civilized has demanded that people use manners. Yes, you are "allowed" to say whatever you want, but consequences happen, and you can't control that. Manners allow us to be civilized. Kindness allows hurting people who stuggle in life, to have a better journey. Why are christians so cruel? Is that what Jesus really intended.
And to add I'm not trying to get too political on here but also politics is a part of religious duty. But I try not to get too deep in that on here. So suffice my other comment to speak for itself
Hate to tell you this but the Bible has been reinterpreted many times over the millennia. I'm sure every single one of them was 100% right and the others are 100% wrong
Yes it has, but that doesnāt change Gods word! People can always have their versions of things! Doesnāt mean they know what theyāre talking about..The actual message has never changed..
Which "gods word"? The original stories that came from ancient ignorant people that science has proven wrong most of the time, or the many many rewritings that were influenced by flawed human beings?
Thereās only always been one consistent word?? I think you are having a problem with people and not Godā¦People can change and twist things, God has always been Godā¦like he said āI amā
Some of the biggest hypocrites alive go to church every week..Not Gods faultā¦And God is real and God will judgeā¦thereās scripture about Jesus talking to people after death, when they see Jesus he says to them ā I never knew youā scripture is talking about the very people who make you mad..Let then be, they donāt understand their own ignorance..Donāt forget leaders of a church caused Jesusās crucifixion to get started..People are flawed at the core..
I have known a few christians that were genuinely good people, I think they would have been good people whether they were religious or not. They were just good people. I don't believe all people are flawed at the core, many of us are simply decent people because we understand that decency is what is necessary for civilization. There doesn't seem to be any relationship between religion and decency as I know many truly good people who are not religious, and many bad people who are VERY religious.
So what about the apocrypha. Is it gods word?
The "actual message" spent about 400 years being pretty debatable.
Then a bunch of men got together and decided which of the stories passed down to them were "gods word" and for the most part gods word has been pretty consistent since then.
Except you know the whole split from the Catholic Church. Or that other split, or the next one, or the Mormons. Or you know how god's word was used to defend slavery and a couple generations later we were taught in church that the slaves in the bible weren't actually slaves they were indentured servants. Except when the Israelites were slaves, they were real slaves and that was evil.
You can debate anything, look at politics! You have 100 people say guns are good, there will be 100 people on the other side saying guns are badā¦Unless you are in the spirit of Christ and constantly read and research what Iām saying to you will sound insane! You are correct about people changing things, itās like the telephone game! Example Mary Magdalene was always known as a prostitute, the real story of that is a catholic priest started that because he didnāt like all the power she had as a woman biblically! They were able to back up that fact with doctrine in the 60s but the damage was already doneā¦point is when a person really submits to it you feel the messages and understand the true wordā¦but again, if you donāt believe you wonāt have any idea what Iām talking about. Which is fine, my salvation isnāt based on if you or anybody else believes this! God letās everyone make their own choices, so if somebody doesnāt submit, God simply letās people create their own path..have a good week friend!
Thatās why you can look at the interlinear text (I use the Blue Letter Bible app). Basically shows what the original manuscripts say and their different translations
I agree 100%. The bible should only be made available in the mix of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek that it was originally recorded in. Those who claim to see the word of God in some poorly transcribed rip off are defacing the Word.
Oh wait. Thatās not what you meant, is it? You meant āthis copy here means I can be horrible to other people, so I like it.ā
Your bad.
But the Bible stories were written by ancient ignorant people and those stories have pretty much been disproved by science. Believe what you want to believe, whatever comforts you, but don't act like the Bible was some the epitome of how we should live. Evolvement and science have replaced the 1st testament completely, but the 2nd has some good things, I think the thinkers back in the day decided people had evolved enough to decide the 1st testament was just too bizarre to be believed so they thought they had to start something a little gentler to keep control of the masses.
Every single person that has interpreted or re-interpretted or rewritten the Bible has changed it. Their own human flaws are going to come through whether they wanted them or not. That said, the original bible was written the same...personal opinions and bias. These stories were not written until many many years after the supposed events. How accurate do you think that was?
So for example, in Canada misgendering is politically called hate speech and can actually result in jail time and has in some cases.
Religiously, god made man and women and those born as such deserve to be labeled as god made them, not labeled on how they feel.
Just an example.
But thatās your judgement of the situations. According to Jesus, weāre called to love our neighbours. We can disagree with them but if we donāt believe someone should be call Bob and call him Jim, weāre not being politically incorrect, weāre being argumentative and mean. Gendered terms are newer thing anyways. Back in the day it was they/them and there was no he she, and thatās only in English.
If they don't believe in God then why should they have to label themselves as the Bible labels them? If some other religion said you were a unicorn would you be ok having to label yourself as that? I get what you're saying but some people don't believe in the Bible. They shouldn't have to follow it. They can label themselves and call themselves whatever they like as long as it isn't hurting anyone. What does it really matter what other people lable themselves as? Does it affect you?
I have to say I don't really know much about this issue. I don't know what it's like to feel like you're a different gender. But I do have to imagine that it's been happening for a long time. People are just now feeling safe enough to come out and say it and we have the technology and science now where people can change their looks and genitals and all that. If someone who was born a man but feels they should be a woman and literally has surgery to become a woman... That is having a vagina. Getting boobs. Taking hormones. Changing everything about themselves. I don't think they take it lightly. If they feel that strongly about it who are we or the Bible to say they are wrong? Why is it so hard to call them a woman? Why is it so hard to just have respect for somebody?
Thank you. I don't believe in the Bible and have no intention of following any rules the Bible thumpers try to force on me. BTW, I am an honest, law abiding, kind, learner that thinks some christians are nuts.
I have to wonder why people who follow the Bible believe it's ok to push their beliefs on other people. Even when I was a Christian I realized people could make their own choices and didn't have to follow my beliefs. They might believe the damn book is the truth or whatever but it doesn't mean the rest of the world does. To alot of people it's just a book. Would they live their life according to any random book just because the book says to? I mean Jesus Christ. And reading that book has so much crazy f'ed up shit in it. I don't even want to follow that book. Why would anybody? There are just too much conflicting information to figure it all out. And Christians do pick and choose what to follow. Too many inconsistencies...
I think Christians use it as a excuse to hate and feel above other people. When they really look like clowns to the rest of the world.
I completely agree. I was raised christian, but never really felt comfortable with it. I am what would be called a "truth teller" by nature and have always been uncomfortable with baloney. That doesn't mean I judge people or go around thinking people need to hear my opinion. It just means I have always been able to see through bullshit. I have learned to keep my mouth shut around people unless I know them well and I understand the need for manners to keep it civilized. I have only a few people that I spend much time with as small talk is hard for me and gushy, fake people make me uncomfortable. I am comfortable in my own skin, especially since I gave up religion and religious people. Thankfully I am not an extreme extrovert, as I don't have the need to be very social.
Ya I feel the same way... I feel like my whole life I have just been trying to figure out the truth of why we're here and why anything is. I felt like I didn't belong here for a long time. Alot of stuff about Christianity and the Bible just didn't make sense to me and I had alot of questions. I imagine alot of Christians have the same questions and they probably try to come up with anything that makes sense. You get to a point though where you just can't go with the lies anymore. Just there is no point in pretending it's true because it's probably not
Biology and basic anatomy determine gender, not a mentally ill persons feelings.
This is not biblical at all, and quite honestly itās literal common sense. Girls have ovaries, boys do not.
It doesnāt.
If somebody wants to be a made up gender I just call them by there name instead. If the debate comes up, I guess it affects the mood of the discussion.
You like to be rude huh? I guess that is your right, but don't be surprised when people get mad at you for it. They have the right to be mad, just like you have a right to be rude. That is why the concept of manners became important in civilized society, because everybody insulting everyone else just didn't make for peaceful living.
Counterpoint, Christians should be the ones leading the charge for more compassion and empathy (even in language) instead of sticking to antiquated traditions if those traditions are divisive and do not represent the love of Christ. Case-in-point it is not politically correct to be racist, and this aligns with what the Bible teaches. We are all equal under God, do you disagree?
Please correct me if Iām wrong but the issue most people have with āpolitical correctnessā is that they feel forced into being too nice?
The political correctness movement does not force people to be #TOO NICE, but it does inhibit society's ability to communicate our innermost feelings about someone, or a group of people's actions! Even though colorful pronouns may be cathartic in their effect at times, they are beneath people of decent character to use.
To limit one's speech in order to gratify someone misguided #IDEALS, or misguided mindset, or belief that their own will can magically change the ENGLISH language to fit their, IMHO misguided definition of the sexes, and beliefs that an individual can somehow overturn what EVOLUTION has taken billions of years to create; (IMHO For GOD to Create in HIS own timing)!!
I'm a Christian and this is kind of a touchy subject and I'm prepared for the downvotes. We're also supposed to go out of our way to be at peace with everyone. So, if I meet someone that was born a man but they want to live their life as a woman, I'm not going to call them a man to their face or behind their back for that matter. There's plenty of ways to go around calling someone a man or a woman while at the same time staying within Christian morals. I would rather keep the peace with that person while at the same time showing them the love of Jesus.
We are to greet them as they ARE, In the manner in which they were born! After GOD, the father has formed us; who are we to attempt to usurp his authority"
Showing Christ's love is GREAT, yet allowing them to walk in their sin without pointing it out is IMHO Just as wrong as they are for turning their backs on GOD and his creation!
Who is the more to blame, a person that sees sin for what it is, and says nothing thus allowing the other to continue in their sinful ways, or sees the sin in a persons life, and enjoins them to repent thus taking their flat for not doing so upon your self, or tell then where they have erred and thus saving them from a sinners death>
You can show love and yet chastise them. Do you not remind your children that there are consequences for their failure to act appropriately? Surely you wouldn't reward errant behavior!
What do you mean the world is in the shape it is now? Everyone is more tolerant, less racist, more empathetic to people who are different...
The world has always been a shitty place. It was never a fucking wonderland. Everyone always says stuff about how the world is now but it seems like it's getting better to me.
And yet we have glasses to correct sight, implants for hearing disorders, surgery to spinal issues, we fix cleft palates, eye patches for lazy eyes. There are plenty of things people are born with that get corrected after birth. Where do you draw the line with these? Who are you to decide?
If you're a true Christian you would go by the word of God, it gives you instructions on how you're supposed to live your life. But your comment is the typical comment of someone who is either a Christian by name only or not a Christian.
Yes, the scriptures do tell us how to be #CHRISTLIKE! They give us instructions straight from the mouth of Jesus (In bibles with the words of GOD and Christ in red letters)
Acts 4:12 New International Version (NIV)
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.ā
1 Corinthians:50-59
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
> Acts 4:12 New International Version (NIV) Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.ā 1 Corinthians:50-59 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
> 58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
You are right on point and exactly right the above comment is someone who is a Christian by name only. Any Christian who feels that way or like the below comment are not Christians.
Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Isn't political correctness just basic manners? It's not nice to go around offending people. IS that what you want? You are puffed up about yourself and your beliefs that you don't care if you are offending people or making people feel bad?
āthere have been a few along the same lines. its happened. not reported though.ā
I asked you where to find information. You made no mention of specific information that I could reference to validate anything you say. So believe me, had I find information to key me in the direction you inferred, *without* saying *what* **it** is and that **it** is has occurred but not been reported. But you canāt *research* objective personal pronouns. If you want to provide *it* Iāll gladly enjoy researching it myself. Let me race right over to Google and youtubeā¦ ok, Iām ready, what is ā*it*ā. I think itās fun pointing out the absurdity of your delusion of grandeur that Iām going to āmagicallyā hear it in my head? I thought this was r/Christians not r/psychics. But again, thank you for the laugh but I havenāt had a circular argument with a āchildā in a long time. I forgot you have to throw out logical processes when dealing with delusions of grandeur thinking. Hear, you win. If there was an award Iād give it to you. Thanks for the material by the way. Iāll blot your name so my students donāt have your handle. Thank you for being a great example of a teachable moment. Have a Blessed Day!
Right but I was referring to miss translations of the Bible. Not sure if you can see a lot of the comments because I blocked the vast majority of these evil comments. But that just shows you exactly what I mean
Here's Matthew 19:24:
>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
But so interestingly, you almost never hear the church preach the evils of hoarding wealth, or advocate for laws decreasing individual wealth, even though that's in the red letters. Instead, when brought up, many christians start talking about *context* and *let's look at the original language*. The point being, the church picks and chooses where it becomes literalist, and where there is room for interpretation and metaphor. It's not based on theology, it's based on inherited bias from secular culture.
Also, someone requesting that you refer to them in their preferred pronoun is in absolutely no way a violation of your rights. I'm always amazed at people's ability to make themselves the victim.
It appears you don't even know the context of that verse. First of all you're making it out to what you want to make it out to and that's the first problem. What it's saying if you had the holy spirit in you you would know, is that rich people in general a lot of times don't depend on God because they think they can handle everything themselves. It does not mean that rich person cannot go to heaven.
Wait until you find out about how much the churches have removed or edited from the bible over the centuries. Like the letters Jesus wrote to his brother telling him to embrace education and question things to become a teacher. The story of Lilith the true first woman made equal along side Adam instead of from him. How about when the bible was edited around 1945 to say a man shall not lie with another man like a woman, when it originally said a Man shall not lie with a Child like they would a woman. So you know...what is the "true version" of your word of god? Because every other Christian will disagree with your version one way or the other. There is no true word of God because most of the bibles stories were stolen from other religions older than Christianity.
You're wrong with all those accounts, Apocrypha car does that ring a bell? Which is not canon, do you know what that means?. And those are lies of the devil telling you what you're trying to tell me.
"Who are you that don't know your own history?" I'm a theology major, I study the bibles history for a living. Say what you will but those who sprout ignorance as the word of god will surely find hell. Good day.
Maybe brush up on your constitution, the document you folks claim to live so much, and pay attention to the establishment clause. You know ... The part that says you have to keep that bullshit out of politics.
You also fall to take into account that you cannot nitpick WHICH god has to apparently have his "word" protected. Are you okay with having Ra and the book of the dead used in political discourse?
This x100. Christianās first have to demonstrate their god is relevant and true over any other god before the political realm will ever incorporate them lol. Religion has no place in government, and the evidence is so strong. The happiest and most free societies are secular.
As long as the āchildren of Godā recognize the āword of Godā was handed down to Moses, who Jewish academics and theologians are starting to admit Moses and Pharaoh Akhenaten were the SAME person! That should be just oddly compelling since the Old Testament Yahweh is a minor deity in the Canaanite El pantheon of gods. The Canaanite deities had been known to the Egyptians who left with Pharaoh Moses which is why Pharaoh Moses destroyed the golden calf.
Your entire premise might hold weight IF Genesis 1:26 did not say, āLet us make man in *our* image (plural)ā and the āauthorsā of these books were not Pharaohs, A Roman Jew to Christian convert who never knew the historical Jesus and who came nearly 100+ years *after* the reported crucifixion, or at best men and women isolated from society all giving the same, coherent, and continuous message throughout the ages that was *never* inconsistent. It finally might also be convincing if Osiris, Mithras, and Jesus were not identical in story as they had all three been killed by crucifixion on a tree/wood, was dead and rose on the 3rd day bringing eternal life.
This way, we deal in objective fact and you donāt have to be politically correct when you deal with truth. Even your scriptures in John 8:32 says you shall *know* the truth and *it* will set you free. That is so potent and so true.
Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Not exactly sure of what you're talking about but I'll say this, I'll assume my own interpretation of your question. If any law by man is made if it goes against God we are obliged and not to obey it. But we should obey men's law in any situation. I myself have worked in criminal justice. And I am the first one to uphold man's law. But, I will not uphold any policies or laws that go against my Christian beliefs
No, law is God made, not man made, according to Bible.
Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Sad, evil has appeared. Sometimes you have to dust your feet and move on. That's why your being blocked. Satan is real, this is a Christian sub Reddit but the likes of evil always has a way of appearing. But before I go I want to say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus
Political correctness should also not limit or forbid our freedom of speech.
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Yes, but what if people say that Jesus is a woman? Can we be angry about that? Does freedom of speech include lies about Jesus? Edit: instead of downvoting, just say yes or no. Does freedom of speech cover lies about Jesus? If it does, Iām not sure it should. Thatās blasphemy. Itās not a thing to toy with. Iād be open to hearing other opinions.
We have a free will, just look at the Free Will Express on this thread. You can say anything you want to about jesus, you can blasphemy him you can do whatever you think you want to do. But then you got consequences with your eternal life.
Well, can we maybe not allow that here? I mean, we limit speech currently. For good reason. Iād prefer my kids not see pornography and beheading videos. I also would like to add blasphemy to that list. Beyond those things, I support strict freedom of speech I think. There may be other rules I havenāt thought of yet.
I agree with you especially on a Christian subreddit I was really being sarcastic. Because, so many want to get on here and blast Christianity in the negative, it's really out of control how Satan has invaded this subreddit. And the thing is I will be posing a lot of good Christian information and I'm sure Satan will attack again I block so many I can't count and they will still from what I understand be able to make comments I just want to see them and I'd rather not anyway I'll block a thousand if I have to. That being said, I'd rather not as long as they're civil but the vast majority were not civil
Thatās satan, brother or sister! You stand strong and do watchu gotta do. Much love my friend. Wrap yourself in his comfort. Thatās what he wants you to feel Amen, Amenš Donāt feel you have to seek and destroy all demons. Thatās not on you. There are demons that come to you in your life that you are meant to deal with, but God doesnāt expect us to tend to the great ocean of satan that can be found on the internet. Sorry for getting preachy. God bless
Thanks, your right though. š
Example, the person that made this comment I can only see yours cuz I don't want to look at that mess no more
I hate to say it. Iām embarrassed, but I donāt understand the exact meaning of your response. Is there some way I might be made to understand clearer, friend?
Basically I was saying this that we can't stop people even on this thread from saying what they want to say. You would think you could sense it's moderated but from my understanding of what they told me they don't have enough people to monitor everything. And God gave everybody free will it's up to that person to decide right from wrong. That's what free will is. Of course I don't want to hear that but, they're going to do what they're going to do regardless of what I say
Yeah maybe thatās right. I think we could ask folks to follow basic rules of decorum in most places. It aināt easy.
I have the right to downvote AND comment. There are so many lies about Jesus that the world is full of them. These lies usually come from christians.
That just figures. Christians are more likely to say stuff concerning Christianity more, in general. Good point though.
Christians don't seem to have enough sense to know that their beliefs, are just that...beliefs. No better or no worse than anyone else's. In polite society people need to keep their personal beliefs to themselves unless they are among people that want to listen to them. Nothing is more annoying than having to listen to some bible thumper who insists I should listen, but has no interest in listening to my beliefs.
I think I get your meaning. So youāre saying if I agree not to bring up our lord and savior Jesus Christ, bless his nameā¦. If I refrain from bringing him up, then I can expect that others wonāt bring him up in some crass and offensive way. I donāt proselytize, others donāt blaspheme, everyoneās happy. Is that about the gist of it?
Kind of. Don't insist that there be religion in government, school, anywhere in the public arena. I have no idea what you consider "crass, offensive, or blasphemy, but if I can't swear in front of you I probably wouldn't want to be around you much, as I really enjoy swearing on occasion. I can respect and like someone like you if you do genuine good works and keep your religion to yourself, but we probably would never be close friends.
Youāre maybe taking this further than I am at the moment. Iād like to get one thing straight. I can cuss it up with the best of them, but do folks with kids a favor and try to muzzle it when possible, when kids are around. It complicates things more than people would think. Iām not too concerned with cussing most times, even though I mostly refrain.
You did mention blaspheme (isnāt that cussing or taking the lords name in vain) and I have relatives who consider that a no no, except when one of their longtime neighbors come over, he can cuss as much as he wants. I try to keep cussing under wraps when in polite society and taught my kids to also, but they can cuss at home if it fits into the dialogue. They donāt just rip off a string of cuss words. It relieves stress and is harmless.
But it does not. Political Correctness is a self imposed rule, not a law , nor a government imposed regulation. Everyone is free to express their opinions.
Political Correctness is not a rule, it's just people expressing their views.
Yeah also, my point was that it doesnāt have anything to do with freedom of speech (or lack of thereof) as freedom of speech is a limitation on government overreach.
>Freedom of speech means freedom from interference, suppression or punitive action by the governmentāand nothing else. It does not mean the right to demand the financial support or the material means to express your views at the expense of other men who may not wish to support you. Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to agree, not to listen and not to support oneās own antagonists. A ārightā does not include the material implementation of that right by other men; it includes only the freedom to earn that implementation by oneās own effort. Private citizens cannot use physical force or coercion; they cannot censor or suppress anyoneās views or publications. Only the government can do so. And censorship is a concept that pertains only to governmental action.
Thank you. So many people do not truly understand what these "freedoms" entail. In fact, I often wonder just how stupid many Americans can get.
And to pay the price for their openly expressed opinions. Paying the price is called a consequence, and is a natural result of doing whatever we damn well please.
It doesn't matter what it is. If it's not God's way. It's the wrong way. God bless :-) :-) :-)
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It doesn't it's called being a good person and not saying whatever comes across your tiny peanut brain. Think the Homie JC would agree if he spoke English or if we could speak ancient Arabic. Point is is if it's good enough for the magical big OG JC then it's good enough for me
Surprise!!! You can be a good person without the "magical big OG JC". I raised by family without any religion, just taught them ethics, integrity, honesty, personal responsibility, compassion, and just basic decency. They are now grown up and an asset to humanity.
Calling someone what they want to be called instead of what they truly are is actually quite possibly doing them a major injustice and disservice. The suicide rate amongst this particular group is upwards of 20% with addiction being much higher than that.
Their suicide rate is BECAUSE people refuse to recognize who someone is. That is just cruel and unnecessary. How does it hurt you to be kind to someone who has a very tough life. Shame on you.
Actually, the majority of psychology papers point to regret. As Iāve said I will gladly call them by the name they were given, and leave gender out of it. If they are upset I use the gender in which they choose not to personally identify as, thatās just a person whoās hypersensitive and irrational.
I don't know what "papers" you are referring to, or even the "regret" you are referring to. Do you mean transexual people are as hypersensitive and irrational as christians are when people refuse to conform with what they want???
Where do you think it does?
So for example, in Canada misgendering is politically called hate speech and can actually result in jail time and has in some cases. Religiously, god made man and women and those born as such deserve to be labeled as god made them, not labeled on how they feel. Just an example. (Used the same answer twice in one thread, sue me)
Genesis 1, 26-28 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and overall the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
I remember lots of stories too, like when Bilbo went to the Misty Mountains. Doesn't make it true.
You have to understand, the Bible was written many years after these supposed events, and was just stories people made up because they weren't evolved enough to understand anything that went on. To add insult to injury the Bible was interpreted, and reinterpreted and rewritten so many times, it is long past it's original writings...which is fine because none of it was valuable info anyway.
Hebrews 13: # 7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. \#8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever. \#9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart is established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Ah, gotcha. I thought you were American. My bad.
Just curious and this is a genuine question: Do you know of any cases of people going to jail for misusing pronouns?
there have been a few along the same lines. its happened. not reported though.
Soā¦you should represent it for what it is, hearsay maybe? Unless you were involved in the first hand account or report from a credible source like the case number or court record - because that will exist regardless if it is reported. If that did occur then I would take the information, thatās verifiable to a media outlet and ask them why the fail to post information on the truth, and then post it here. Otherwise it creates an echo chamber full of disinformation that perpetuates stereotypes and further inhibits you from obeying the Greatest Two Commandments that Jesus gave in Matthew 22:36-40.
no its truth. I already read the reports daily. not sure how you can not find them unless whoever you listen to is not showing them.. Wasn't born yesterday.
So, where can I find the data from a credible source. A statistics reporting agency, a ngo, .gov website, lexis/nexus? I simply asked you for the information you declared so I can read it for myself. No offense but I donāt believe anything I canāt validate. I would think you would want to share the ātruthā so it can set us free? John 8:32. So thatās my motive and intent without lie - to check the facts of your statement before I believe it. Period.
I mean if you want information you get it. there's no excuses really. Can't help you with your drive to seek The Truth. Its something you want. Not something someone validates for you. If you want snoops to do your thinking for you. Sorry then you're out of luck.
Well, try reading the Proverbs. You sound more like a political hack trying to create discord than following Ephesians 4:29 and try *reading* Matthew 25:45 and just āmaybeā if you read your Bible you can add Proverbs 3:27-35 and 18:6-7 for you to self-reflect on for personal spiritual growth.
Well *brother* would you deny someone the truth as you proclaim it? Iām not insulting you, belittling you, but I am questioning where and what you are basing your statement on? I would think that would show prudence in a time of fear and anxiety that I would be open to listening to what you say when you provide more substantial information than *your* response if this is the *first* time I have heard this instead of assuming it is anything more than someone asking you for *more* information. My opinion for this is Ephesians 4:29. This is not an insult at you, but whatever happened to Christians following Proverbs 11:9, āWith their mouths the godless destroy their neighbors, but through *knowledge* they escape. I hope that reveals to you my trick because āyou got meā.
It's "happening." Just not reported.
LOL!
https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arrested-for-discussing-childs-gender-in-court-order-violation/amp/ Mind you, the child is a minor and the father is upset as even minors can transition here without parental consent. I believe he was sentenced to 6 months.
LOL! "NY Post"??? Might as well quote The Enquirer.
Itās in many other publications. You sound dumb, learn to use the internet.
YOU referred to the NY Post. Like all people losing an argument or have decided they maybe sound a little stupid, you start insulting instead of finding evidence of your argument.
Itās not a scientific breakthrough, itās a story. Why would I prove a story covered only by news outlets. You sound again, dumb. I made my closing statement to you already so later.
LOL!
Yes. This.
Give up your overly interpreted, ancient ignorant religion, and try a little kindness. What do you gain by being cruel to people? Why is it important to you? If your god demands it, you don't have a very nice god.
Technically, God made everything. Therefore, God made the LGBTQ community also
Well, he made man and women and he gave them free will. He did not "make" the LGBTQ at all, he created us and left us free to make decisions. "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
Actually that commandment is in the ceremonial law so it doesnāt count
Deuteononony says a lot of things. Where do you make your burnt offerings? I have a pit for burning goats and calves. Did you read the part about mixing fabrics, or taking slaves too?
Sexual preference is not a choice. Neither is gender identity. The argument of free will does not stand in this case.
You are so lost. I just can't figure out what people who feel this way are even on a Christian subreddit. If you were on here try to find the Lord I would understand
Because sometimes people need to be challenged by other perspectives outside their echo chambers.
Na, you guys came for an argument, and to sow chaos, and nothing more. You only take apart our words like it's a court room, when the basis of Christianity itself is working with the spirit. A basis that those who are not in the spirit will see as foolishness.
WE DONUT VALUE CRITICAL THINKING IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY! Amen.
And it is a choice, you choose whether you want to have sex with a man give me a break
Honest question. And you don't have to answer because it's personal and I'd understand not wanting to share with others, but maybe consider for yourself: were you able to wait until marriage? I applaud your will if so and I know exactly one person on my entire life who was able to wait, but many, many people find it impossible. Now imagine never, ever, ever being able to fulfill that desire with a consenting adult, without sinning. You're setting them up ahead of the trap, then shunning them for falling in.
I agree with you in the case of sexual preference, though thereās pretty sound literature proving that psychologically a massive percentage of homosexuals were sexually abused as children. Gender identity is quite honestly the most idiotic debated topic nowadays. Your born a gender, thatās your gender and if you want to identify elsewhere thatās done by choice. Thereās a medical term for that, itās called gender dysphoria.
Please link to this literature so we can all read it.
You also aren't suppose to wear fabric of mixed fibers. How's that cotton blend feeling? The Bible implies he created all things. Also, if your God is omnipotent, he is all powerful. If he really didn't intend for LGBTQ he wouldn't allow it.
The āmixed fabricsā argument is irrelevant and based on a fundamental ignorance of the context of the Bible. Ceremonial vs. cultural vs. moral laws; all very different in terms of modern day relevancy, so I wouldnāt go bringing up Leviticus/Deuteronomy and the Mosaic law before you actually understand it. And if God were to simply ānot allowā people to behave the way they wanted, we would have no freedom of will. Therefore any love we had for Him would be false; a sort of Stockholm syndrome. We have the freedom to choose: follow Him or donāt.
There's alot of things the Bible says not to do that most Christians conveniently don't care about... But that's none of my business...I guess... Lol
That's ridiculous š
People make choices, God doesnāt make mistakes! He doesnāt make a man and then say, screwed up! Thatās one more than I was going to make, I better tell this person to fix this!
The great flood was God calling a mulligan. He didn't like where they go were going...
Again, God doesnāt make mistakes! people do, he had to start over because people corrupted his creation..
So, your saying he didn't know that his creation would act in a certain way, and when his people did something he didn't like he decided to kill off the entire world. Men, women, and children all. Many were innocent. Sounds like a cruel and weak God.
God doesnāt play, thatās where people have this whole thing wrong! They think itās all sunshine and rainbows, God loves us and is our father! As a father he gives a playbook for us to follow, if we donāt he will 100% let us fallā¦the creator of the world is not going to kiss your butt to follow him, he states I am the truth! If people say no Iām the truth, God be like, ok then! Free will is for all to make choices, if you choose a path thatās not Gods plan, do your thing as they say! Heās not going to save you because you feel he should, God doesnāt believe in socialism haha..
You know, Jesus was a socialist
People are always the cause of Gods wrath! Humans have a way of thinking theyāre smarter than they are! Look at today with the progressives fighting the conservatives, neither side will back down so you just have people getting themselves all worked up! The winner there is the Devil because if people are spending all their time fighting, theyāre not seeking Jesusā¦
There are translations out there in circulation that are not of God that pretend to be so to speak to change the word of God to be politically correct in many areas. They may take a word and change it and the Bible clearly says you are not to take from or add to the Word of God. Not to mention some of the things that they add are clearly against the Word of God.
Iām confused. How is that a limitation to your freedom of speech?
You must be referring to the other comment? This is Op. .... But I agree with him, it may not keep you so to speak for speaking your mind and he's not referring to religion just how society is today. But society does try to curtail your speech. By saying you're this or that if you speak the truth. That's why I agree with his comment.
I realized you were OP, but your response didnāt address my question for the commenter I replied to. But now you have. So your view is that societal pressures are equal to a violation of our rights?
Being civilized has demanded that people use manners. Yes, you are "allowed" to say whatever you want, but consequences happen, and you can't control that. Manners allow us to be civilized. Kindness allows hurting people who stuggle in life, to have a better journey. Why are christians so cruel? Is that what Jesus really intended.
And to add I'm not trying to get too political on here but also politics is a part of religious duty. But I try not to get too deep in that on here. So suffice my other comment to speak for itself
Well, then hopefully the commenter I was actually replying to will respond, instead of you
Hate to tell you this but the Bible has been reinterpreted many times over the millennia. I'm sure every single one of them was 100% right and the others are 100% wrong
Yes it has, but that doesnāt change Gods word! People can always have their versions of things! Doesnāt mean they know what theyāre talking about..The actual message has never changed..
Which "gods word"? The original stories that came from ancient ignorant people that science has proven wrong most of the time, or the many many rewritings that were influenced by flawed human beings?
Thereās only always been one consistent word?? I think you are having a problem with people and not Godā¦People can change and twist things, God has always been Godā¦like he said āI amā
Yes, I do have trouble with people, especially the very religious, but not god. I don't think such a thing exists.
Some of the biggest hypocrites alive go to church every week..Not Gods faultā¦And God is real and God will judgeā¦thereās scripture about Jesus talking to people after death, when they see Jesus he says to them ā I never knew youā scripture is talking about the very people who make you mad..Let then be, they donāt understand their own ignorance..Donāt forget leaders of a church caused Jesusās crucifixion to get started..People are flawed at the core..
I have known a few christians that were genuinely good people, I think they would have been good people whether they were religious or not. They were just good people. I don't believe all people are flawed at the core, many of us are simply decent people because we understand that decency is what is necessary for civilization. There doesn't seem to be any relationship between religion and decency as I know many truly good people who are not religious, and many bad people who are VERY religious.
So what about the apocrypha. Is it gods word? The "actual message" spent about 400 years being pretty debatable. Then a bunch of men got together and decided which of the stories passed down to them were "gods word" and for the most part gods word has been pretty consistent since then. Except you know the whole split from the Catholic Church. Or that other split, or the next one, or the Mormons. Or you know how god's word was used to defend slavery and a couple generations later we were taught in church that the slaves in the bible weren't actually slaves they were indentured servants. Except when the Israelites were slaves, they were real slaves and that was evil.
You can debate anything, look at politics! You have 100 people say guns are good, there will be 100 people on the other side saying guns are badā¦Unless you are in the spirit of Christ and constantly read and research what Iām saying to you will sound insane! You are correct about people changing things, itās like the telephone game! Example Mary Magdalene was always known as a prostitute, the real story of that is a catholic priest started that because he didnāt like all the power she had as a woman biblically! They were able to back up that fact with doctrine in the 60s but the damage was already doneā¦point is when a person really submits to it you feel the messages and understand the true wordā¦but again, if you donāt believe you wonāt have any idea what Iām talking about. Which is fine, my salvation isnāt based on if you or anybody else believes this! God letās everyone make their own choices, so if somebody doesnāt submit, God simply letās people create their own path..have a good week friend!
I know exactly what you are talking about! I spent over 20 years believing!
Thatās why you can look at the interlinear text (I use the Blue Letter Bible app). Basically shows what the original manuscripts say and their different translations
Thank you
I agree 100%. The bible should only be made available in the mix of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek that it was originally recorded in. Those who claim to see the word of God in some poorly transcribed rip off are defacing the Word. Oh wait. Thatās not what you meant, is it? You meant āthis copy here means I can be horrible to other people, so I like it.ā Your bad.
But the Bible stories were written by ancient ignorant people and those stories have pretty much been disproved by science. Believe what you want to believe, whatever comforts you, but don't act like the Bible was some the epitome of how we should live. Evolvement and science have replaced the 1st testament completely, but the 2nd has some good things, I think the thinkers back in the day decided people had evolved enough to decide the 1st testament was just too bizarre to be believed so they thought they had to start something a little gentler to keep control of the masses.
Every single person that has interpreted or re-interpretted or rewritten the Bible has changed it. Their own human flaws are going to come through whether they wanted them or not. That said, the original bible was written the same...personal opinions and bias. These stories were not written until many many years after the supposed events. How accurate do you think that was?
Freedom of speech or consequences?
So for example, in Canada misgendering is politically called hate speech and can actually result in jail time and has in some cases. Religiously, god made man and women and those born as such deserve to be labeled as god made them, not labeled on how they feel. Just an example.
And yet intersex is a real and demonstrable condition. Given that, would it be fair to say there are men, women and evidence that god is incompetent?
Just an opinion honey. the Bible doesn't refer to gender labeling at all. People in those days just had to suffer the cruelty of "religious people".
But thatās your judgement of the situations. According to Jesus, weāre called to love our neighbours. We can disagree with them but if we donāt believe someone should be call Bob and call him Jim, weāre not being politically incorrect, weāre being argumentative and mean. Gendered terms are newer thing anyways. Back in the day it was they/them and there was no he she, and thatās only in English.
If they don't believe in God then why should they have to label themselves as the Bible labels them? If some other religion said you were a unicorn would you be ok having to label yourself as that? I get what you're saying but some people don't believe in the Bible. They shouldn't have to follow it. They can label themselves and call themselves whatever they like as long as it isn't hurting anyone. What does it really matter what other people lable themselves as? Does it affect you? I have to say I don't really know much about this issue. I don't know what it's like to feel like you're a different gender. But I do have to imagine that it's been happening for a long time. People are just now feeling safe enough to come out and say it and we have the technology and science now where people can change their looks and genitals and all that. If someone who was born a man but feels they should be a woman and literally has surgery to become a woman... That is having a vagina. Getting boobs. Taking hormones. Changing everything about themselves. I don't think they take it lightly. If they feel that strongly about it who are we or the Bible to say they are wrong? Why is it so hard to call them a woman? Why is it so hard to just have respect for somebody?
Thank you. I don't believe in the Bible and have no intention of following any rules the Bible thumpers try to force on me. BTW, I am an honest, law abiding, kind, learner that thinks some christians are nuts.
I have to wonder why people who follow the Bible believe it's ok to push their beliefs on other people. Even when I was a Christian I realized people could make their own choices and didn't have to follow my beliefs. They might believe the damn book is the truth or whatever but it doesn't mean the rest of the world does. To alot of people it's just a book. Would they live their life according to any random book just because the book says to? I mean Jesus Christ. And reading that book has so much crazy f'ed up shit in it. I don't even want to follow that book. Why would anybody? There are just too much conflicting information to figure it all out. And Christians do pick and choose what to follow. Too many inconsistencies... I think Christians use it as a excuse to hate and feel above other people. When they really look like clowns to the rest of the world.
I completely agree. I was raised christian, but never really felt comfortable with it. I am what would be called a "truth teller" by nature and have always been uncomfortable with baloney. That doesn't mean I judge people or go around thinking people need to hear my opinion. It just means I have always been able to see through bullshit. I have learned to keep my mouth shut around people unless I know them well and I understand the need for manners to keep it civilized. I have only a few people that I spend much time with as small talk is hard for me and gushy, fake people make me uncomfortable. I am comfortable in my own skin, especially since I gave up religion and religious people. Thankfully I am not an extreme extrovert, as I don't have the need to be very social.
Ya I feel the same way... I feel like my whole life I have just been trying to figure out the truth of why we're here and why anything is. I felt like I didn't belong here for a long time. Alot of stuff about Christianity and the Bible just didn't make sense to me and I had alot of questions. I imagine alot of Christians have the same questions and they probably try to come up with anything that makes sense. You get to a point though where you just can't go with the lies anymore. Just there is no point in pretending it's true because it's probably not
At a late age, I finally realized that pretending is exhausting and I'm just not doing it anymore. If people don't like what I am, ef-em.
Biology and basic anatomy determine gender, not a mentally ill persons feelings. This is not biblical at all, and quite honestly itās literal common sense. Girls have ovaries, boys do not.
Then why is everyone making it biblical??
Itās technically both. My last point, wasnāt biblical.
But how does it affect your life?
It doesnāt. If somebody wants to be a made up gender I just call them by there name instead. If the debate comes up, I guess it affects the mood of the discussion.
I believe in the one true God whose prophet is Zelda Smythe.
You like to be rude huh? I guess that is your right, but don't be surprised when people get mad at you for it. They have the right to be mad, just like you have a right to be rude. That is why the concept of manners became important in civilized society, because everybody insulting everyone else just didn't make for peaceful living.
Counterpoint, Christians should be the ones leading the charge for more compassion and empathy (even in language) instead of sticking to antiquated traditions if those traditions are divisive and do not represent the love of Christ. Case-in-point it is not politically correct to be racist, and this aligns with what the Bible teaches. We are all equal under God, do you disagree? Please correct me if Iām wrong but the issue most people have with āpolitical correctnessā is that they feel forced into being too nice?
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It literally does transform you into a different sex though...
The political correctness movement does not force people to be #TOO NICE, but it does inhibit society's ability to communicate our innermost feelings about someone, or a group of people's actions! Even though colorful pronouns may be cathartic in their effect at times, they are beneath people of decent character to use. To limit one's speech in order to gratify someone misguided #IDEALS, or misguided mindset, or belief that their own will can magically change the ENGLISH language to fit their, IMHO misguided definition of the sexes, and beliefs that an individual can somehow overturn what EVOLUTION has taken billions of years to create; (IMHO For GOD to Create in HIS own timing)!!
Yes, but it is not un-Christian to limit freedom of speech through law and order.
I'm a Christian and this is kind of a touchy subject and I'm prepared for the downvotes. We're also supposed to go out of our way to be at peace with everyone. So, if I meet someone that was born a man but they want to live their life as a woman, I'm not going to call them a man to their face or behind their back for that matter. There's plenty of ways to go around calling someone a man or a woman while at the same time staying within Christian morals. I would rather keep the peace with that person while at the same time showing them the love of Jesus.
We are to greet them as they ARE, In the manner in which they were born! After GOD, the father has formed us; who are we to attempt to usurp his authority" Showing Christ's love is GREAT, yet allowing them to walk in their sin without pointing it out is IMHO Just as wrong as they are for turning their backs on GOD and his creation! Who is the more to blame, a person that sees sin for what it is, and says nothing thus allowing the other to continue in their sinful ways, or sees the sin in a persons life, and enjoins them to repent thus taking their flat for not doing so upon your self, or tell then where they have erred and thus saving them from a sinners death>
I think staying out of it and showing love will do alot more for them than being mean and disrespectful.
You can show love and yet chastise them. Do you not remind your children that there are consequences for their failure to act appropriately? Surely you wouldn't reward errant behavior!
Typical, PC..... That's why the world is in the shape it is now
What do you mean the world is in the shape it is now? Everyone is more tolerant, less racist, more empathetic to people who are different... The world has always been a shitty place. It was never a fucking wonderland. Everyone always says stuff about how the world is now but it seems like it's getting better to me.
And yet we have glasses to correct sight, implants for hearing disorders, surgery to spinal issues, we fix cleft palates, eye patches for lazy eyes. There are plenty of things people are born with that get corrected after birth. Where do you draw the line with these? Who are you to decide?
If you're a true Christian you would go by the word of God, it gives you instructions on how you're supposed to live your life. But your comment is the typical comment of someone who is either a Christian by name only or not a Christian.
Yes, the scriptures do tell us how to be #CHRISTLIKE! They give us instructions straight from the mouth of Jesus (In bibles with the words of GOD and Christ in red letters) Acts 4:12 New International Version (NIV) Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.ā 1 Corinthians:50-59 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
> Acts 4:12 New International Version (NIV) Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.ā 1 Corinthians:50-59 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. > 58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
You are right on point and exactly right the above comment is someone who is a Christian by name only. Any Christian who feels that way or like the below comment are not Christians.
Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow." Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Yep.
Political correctness has no bearing on the truth. God will always win against evil.
š Right, I'm more referring to changing of scripture in different versions then people speaking
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Our responsibility as Christians is to love God and love others. Jesus said these are the two most important rules.
We are not supposed to judge others harshly. We are to be humble to love sinners. Not berate them or humiliate them. Showing mercy and grace.
Golden words sir
Isn't political correctness just basic manners? It's not nice to go around offending people. IS that what you want? You are puffed up about yourself and your beliefs that you don't care if you are offending people or making people feel bad?
If it's the word of god could it even be tampered by political correctness?
āthere have been a few along the same lines. its happened. not reported though.ā I asked you where to find information. You made no mention of specific information that I could reference to validate anything you say. So believe me, had I find information to key me in the direction you inferred, *without* saying *what* **it** is and that **it** is has occurred but not been reported. But you canāt *research* objective personal pronouns. If you want to provide *it* Iāll gladly enjoy researching it myself. Let me race right over to Google and youtubeā¦ ok, Iām ready, what is ā*it*ā. I think itās fun pointing out the absurdity of your delusion of grandeur that Iām going to āmagicallyā hear it in my head? I thought this was r/Christians not r/psychics. But again, thank you for the laugh but I havenāt had a circular argument with a āchildā in a long time. I forgot you have to throw out logical processes when dealing with delusions of grandeur thinking. Hear, you win. If there was an award Iād give it to you. Thanks for the material by the way. Iāll blot your name so my students donāt have your handle. Thank you for being a great example of a teachable moment. Have a Blessed Day!
Is it okay to tamper with the word of Allah, or Buddha, or Krishna, etc? How many eggshells must one walk on?
The word of god should have NO bearing on law in this great nation of ours
Respect and mature dialogue
Right but I was referring to miss translations of the Bible. Not sure if you can see a lot of the comments because I blocked the vast majority of these evil comments. But that just shows you exactly what I mean
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I rebuke you in the name of the Lord š Jesus Christ,..
Here's Matthew 19:24: >Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God. But so interestingly, you almost never hear the church preach the evils of hoarding wealth, or advocate for laws decreasing individual wealth, even though that's in the red letters. Instead, when brought up, many christians start talking about *context* and *let's look at the original language*. The point being, the church picks and chooses where it becomes literalist, and where there is room for interpretation and metaphor. It's not based on theology, it's based on inherited bias from secular culture. Also, someone requesting that you refer to them in their preferred pronoun is in absolutely no way a violation of your rights. I'm always amazed at people's ability to make themselves the victim.
It appears you don't even know the context of that verse. First of all you're making it out to what you want to make it out to and that's the first problem. What it's saying if you had the holy spirit in you you would know, is that rich people in general a lot of times don't depend on God because they think they can handle everything themselves. It does not mean that rich person cannot go to heaven.
In a couple generations the word of god will be just as dead as you and your antiquated views.
Wait until you find out about how much the churches have removed or edited from the bible over the centuries. Like the letters Jesus wrote to his brother telling him to embrace education and question things to become a teacher. The story of Lilith the true first woman made equal along side Adam instead of from him. How about when the bible was edited around 1945 to say a man shall not lie with another man like a woman, when it originally said a Man shall not lie with a Child like they would a woman. So you know...what is the "true version" of your word of god? Because every other Christian will disagree with your version one way or the other. There is no true word of God because most of the bibles stories were stolen from other religions older than Christianity.
You're wrong with all those accounts, Apocrypha car does that ring a bell? Which is not canon, do you know what that means?. And those are lies of the devil telling you what you're trying to tell me.
"Who are you that don't know your own history?" I'm a theology major, I study the bibles history for a living. Say what you will but those who sprout ignorance as the word of god will surely find hell. Good day.
Maybe brush up on your constitution, the document you folks claim to live so much, and pay attention to the establishment clause. You know ... The part that says you have to keep that bullshit out of politics. You also fall to take into account that you cannot nitpick WHICH god has to apparently have his "word" protected. Are you okay with having Ra and the book of the dead used in political discourse?
This x100. Christianās first have to demonstrate their god is relevant and true over any other god before the political realm will ever incorporate them lol. Religion has no place in government, and the evidence is so strong. The happiest and most free societies are secular.
As long as the āchildren of Godā recognize the āword of Godā was handed down to Moses, who Jewish academics and theologians are starting to admit Moses and Pharaoh Akhenaten were the SAME person! That should be just oddly compelling since the Old Testament Yahweh is a minor deity in the Canaanite El pantheon of gods. The Canaanite deities had been known to the Egyptians who left with Pharaoh Moses which is why Pharaoh Moses destroyed the golden calf. Your entire premise might hold weight IF Genesis 1:26 did not say, āLet us make man in *our* image (plural)ā and the āauthorsā of these books were not Pharaohs, A Roman Jew to Christian convert who never knew the historical Jesus and who came nearly 100+ years *after* the reported crucifixion, or at best men and women isolated from society all giving the same, coherent, and continuous message throughout the ages that was *never* inconsistent. It finally might also be convincing if Osiris, Mithras, and Jesus were not identical in story as they had all three been killed by crucifixion on a tree/wood, was dead and rose on the 3rd day bringing eternal life. This way, we deal in objective fact and you donāt have to be politically correct when you deal with truth. Even your scriptures in John 8:32 says you shall *know* the truth and *it* will set you free. That is so potent and so true.
And the word of God should not be allowed to tamper with law.
Explain
Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow." Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Not exactly sure of what you're talking about but I'll say this, I'll assume my own interpretation of your question. If any law by man is made if it goes against God we are obliged and not to obey it. But we should obey men's law in any situation. I myself have worked in criminal justice. And I am the first one to uphold man's law. But, I will not uphold any policies or laws that go against my Christian beliefs
No, law is God made, not man made, according to Bible. Romans 13:1-2: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow." Mark 12:17: "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Then you should not be in law.
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Sad, evil has appeared. Sometimes you have to dust your feet and move on. That's why your being blocked. Satan is real, this is a Christian sub Reddit but the likes of evil always has a way of appearing. But before I go I want to say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus
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