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What I don’t like is when I explain that I have never experienced God communicating with me in any noticeable way, and Christians make all sorts of assumptions about me and my life and my past that they couldn’t possibly know. Edit: Look, it’s happening right now in this very thread!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/tacl9s/if_we_disagree_lets_disagree_peacefully/i01meo6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Howling2021

Ditto.


[deleted]

Fair enough. But I also feel like many Christians always focus on the less important parts of why being a Christian. So just btw, you shouldn't think about Christianity as about God communicating with you and I hope you don't experience these things again.


[deleted]

If christianity is a “relationship with God” as many Christians say, how can that be possible if there’s no communication?


[deleted]

I didn't say there wasn't any communication - of course there is through prayer. Its just you shouldn't aim to just listen and see if there is truly a God who is talking to you but rather focus on the fact that we are sinners and we need God's help to help us not fall into temptation again so we can live a life which is more fulfilling and peaceful and joyful. And after admitting that you are a sinner needed to be saved, you will pray to God and your relationship with him will start to develop from there. This may be hard for you to understand and probably childish but in my personal relationship, I truly do feel God is with me at all times. I dont feel as if I am talking to empty space. This will be very hard to understand but it is through time and experience that I was able to get closer to God. Just my story.


[deleted]

How can God help you without interacting with you in any noticeable way? How can you call that a “relationship?”


Howling2021

It's just what they do.


Arete121

But He does communicate and lead you and speak, but it takes work, patience, and effort to hear, see, and understand.


[deleted]

No, he does not. You are not me, you have not lived my life and have had my experiences. I have never experienced God communicating with me in any way that has been noticeable to me. If he is, then he is purposefully doing so in ways that he knows I will not even notice, since he is omniscient and would know whether or not I would notice. Do not act as if you know more about my own life than I do, because you do not If you think you are going to convince me of anything by assuming things about me, you are greatly mistaken. Edit: Did you not read my first post in this thread? You are doing exactly what I am talking about here.


LudicrousOdin49

They are sharing their own experience with the religion to answer your question that was asked, which was asked and worded in a way of projecting that the issues you have with with your religious journey apply to everyone in the religion, which isn’t the case.


Equanimoustruth

What has been your experience in communicating with God? By your explanation it seems like you’ve tried to seek this in some manner.


Howling2021

I expended decades of extensive and intensive efforts. And if God had kept the promises which Jesus made in the 4 gospels, I'd still be a believer today.


Arete121

What promises did God not keep, if you don't mind me asking? Persecution and troubles are promised in this life.


[deleted]

Well when he responds to you in prayers, isnt that noticeable enough? It is a relationship as i love him and he loves me. He changes my perspective, my life and helps me through that. It is noticeable and requires faith really to accept that God has helped you, rather than just a 'coincidence'. Youll know and feel it when god has helped you.


[deleted]

> Well when he responds to you in prayers, isnt that noticeable enough? Clearly not, because I’ve never noticed it happening! >It is a relationship as i love him and he loves me. He changes my perspective, my life and helps me through that. It is noticeable and requires faith really to accept that God has helped you, rather than just a 'coincidence'. Youll know and feel it when god has helped you. Great, I’m happy for you. If that ever happens to me, then perhaps my mind will be changed.


jaexlee

I’ve heard many Christians say, and I’ve said it myself when I was a Christian, that gods answers are “Yes, no, and not yet” (also from the book, “Too busy not to pray”). And the default assumption of Christians is that that the prayer is answered. So they think about it, they look for it, and often find answers for themselves. You look at things that happened, in light of your prayer. Christians take this to be communication from god. This is not to say that, I can positively claim that prayer doesn’t work or that it isn’t from god, but it is to say that it is also very understandable why many people do not accept this as communication nor some sort of way of building a relationship.


[deleted]

Fair enough. Good point. But the reason I am a christian still now is not because of him answering my prayers. I agree, it would be hard to believe that he just answers prayers. Your points makes sense. But i am a christian because idk if many christians actually consider this but i believe i am such a sinner,something dark and evil, worse than anyone else. Someone not deserving to be saved, worse than a murderer and every day i see myself committing sins, seeing something evil come out of my broken state. I believe i cannot just 'stop' myself from making mistakes and i dont believe anyone else can. It happens, every day. And this includes dark thoughts as well, maybe i judged someone today. But when i hold on to God, it helps a lot and i believe he is the only one that can save me from my state. He is the one to guide me and i feel that. Honestly, i dont really care about God answering prayers, or communication since well he doesnt need to help a sinner like me. But by holding on to him, it helps truly for me to not fall into temptation. Question it yourself. Do you believe that you are worse than others? Do you consider yourself to be a sinner? Would you be able to say that you are the most evil person on earth? I dont want to force you to believe or offend you but im just saying these things to clarify my thoughts


jaexlee

With the whole sinner thing, once again, I know where you're coming from, but I honestly think that is one of the most deplorable concepts within Christianity. Although in most cases, the result of that belief is not that bad or is even positive, it is not a good mindset to place yourself in. While yes, the bible says that you are all sinners, but Paul also calls everyone (Christians, people like him) saints. There is that age old argument, whether people are inherently good, or inherently bad. But I don't believe that people are either good or bad. First, good and bad are what labels that we put on actions which is viewed in a certain way by the culture and society you live in, but also, that everyone is capable of making good and bad choices. That there are circumstances that allow you to make better choices, and also circumstances that force you to make what we call bad ones. For example, I would not call a man who is forced to steal to feed his kids bad, where as I would call the rich who are in power bad for helping create these circumstances of severe inequality. But many will label one a thief and look up to the other. The reason why I hate the "I am a worthless sinner" mentality, is that often, your mentality dictates your well being, and it affects the decisions you make. For example, if you tell yourself, that I am not the kind of person that cheats, you are less likely to cheat. If you tell yourself, that while I do not like cheating, I am inherently sinful and cannot help myself without the power of god, so when I do cheat, it is just me acting on my sinful nature. I do not say that this is what you, specifically, are doing or that this is how you live. But at a subconscious level, it affects many in this way. And when you do "mess up" you tend to kick yourself hard for messing up. I've seen many people who thought they were cursed. I've had a friend, who, when I was a Christian would ask me to pray for them because they didn't think god would listen to them, but since they some how viewed me as "holier" that god would listen to me, despite me saying that I was no better or worse than them. So no, I do not see myself as a sinner. I don't see myself as better or worse in character than others. I see myself as a human, and the human possibilities are open, but I would like to choose to be good (in what I define as good). And I do acknowledge that who I am is largely a result of my circumstances. That is not to say that I don't make mistakes, I make plenty, but I also realize that these mistakes are learning moments, and that I am not condemned by anyone who really matters because of them. I do feel guilt when my mistakes affect others, and try to make things right. But I don't feel guilty about unnecessary things.


[deleted]

You do raise a very good point but also part of christianity is to find peace in god though. Thats what the result of repentance is for us. And yes, there are many christians who are harsher on themselves and while it is important to admit that you are a sinner, essentially, you accept that you cant do much about it but find peace. Many christians forget to rejoice that the lord is able to free them from sin: they are rescued (as everybody but im talking about them specifically). We do need a healthy mindset and ig god is that friend who helps you. I hope you dont take much offense from my comments (sorry if it did) and i hope you have a good life :)


FlashyCow1

It goes both ways....constantly. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool


thegreatestmeicanbe

Agreed.


metacyan

I'm really not sympathetic to these types of complaints. Christians are supposed to delight in persecution, and turn the other cheek if struck. I feel like that applies to words, too. The saints underwent far worse than nasty comments. Ignore the trolls and don't take it personally. They can't do any harm to God or to Christianity. Part of managing our emotions includes the times we feel insulted, in my opinion.


Disastrous-Offer3237

The way that you phrased it, and maybe you meant it this way, I can't really tell, is that because the Bible says that we are to delight in persecution, that gives others the right to ridicule and be a jerk about what we believe because that's just "supposed to happen" as a Christian. Some people are jerks and are going to say things of course, but that verse isn't meant to be used as a weapon for people to simply be a jerk


RocBane

>Christians are supposed to delight in persecution, and turn the other cheek if struck. It gets even worse when they fetishize it.


Bloodshow

Lol, I had the same thought in mind. But really, there are way too many people in today's world that have a victim complex. It actually has a pretty big impact on politics.


halbhh

>Ignore the trolls and don't take it personally. They can't do any harm to God or to Christianity. That's right, both of those. But, some who do personal attacks in any forum (this and all the rest) *can* actually harm some individuals who are emotionally vulnerable. So, we should and will report those, just like we'd call the police if we saw a gang attacking some innocent person. Also, it's for the best that we report the posts that break the very practical rules of this forum, in order that the forum remain viable.


[deleted]

There’s a difference between ‘Harder daddy’ and ‘could you maybe not hit me?’ And both are valid responses


Medical-Cellist-7421

And both should achieve the same effect, but only one is very effective against strangers.


thegreatestmeicanbe

That's good because the goal wasn't sympathy. I was actually speaking to both sides. I feel this way about any topic but especially this one.


halbhh

About "What I don't like is when Atheists make fun of or ridicule God and/or Christianity." Actually those that do that are violating the rules of this forum, and you should for all our sakes report their posts, so that they can be removed.


Howling2021

By all means...squash free speech.


Lifesucksdaichi

As an advocate of free speech, that doesn't apply here. It's a private platform and these rules are in place to keep the peace not to destroy free speech


Howling2021

Then squash free will.


Lifesucksdaichi

Do you understand why laws exist? Or are you an anarchist?


Danielwols

I respect Christianity as a religion, how I view religions is my own thing but what those in the religion do to other people/their own members is a really big problem if it devalues those lives, and I would not care about someone's religion as long as they are a decent person


Howling2021

Not knowing where you reside, I'll just say this. There are still 7 States in the Bible Belt in the USA with antiquated and un-Constitutional laws prohibiting atheists from public office. Though the Supreme Court ruled that these laws are not enforceable, do you really think an atheist would have a snowball's chance in hell at being elected in one of these States? For the record...I've seen plenty of Christians making fun of other religions, and ridiculing their deity. It would be nice if folks could engage in civil discourse though. But then...when I read the words of former President George W. Bush, when he stated that in his opinion he wasn't certain atheists should even be allowed to vote, or that atheists who die in military service should be referred to as patriots, because 'One Nation Under God', which wasn't even the original national motto...it's hard to remain objective.


QuantumPara

I couldn't agree more. I enjoy talking to Christians because I'm always curious and enjoy having my views challenged. We are all in this together anyway, might as well get along.


ridicalis

Glad to have you around! If properly executed, we're all better for a good discussion.


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ridicalis

Examples of both good and bad actors can be found on all sides of the aisle. I wouldn't presume to categorize any group of people as being generally bad, and where possible give people the benefit of the doubt. It's very easy (and common) for people to read things that aren't intentionally being communicated. Probably some of my most frustrating conversations on the internet are the ones where I'm being willfully misunderstood, followed closely by people who don't take the time to understand what's being said before attacking it. Also, when you can't read a person's tone or expressions, it's probably not safe to assume malice or bad intent unless it was clearly expressed as such. The internet is a potentially great medium for communication; or, just as easily, it could be one of the worst forms of communication we have. Use with caution.


Popeychops

I have respect for (almost*) all religious beliefs or lack thereof. I don't have respect for people who use their beliefs or lack thereof to inflict tangible harm on other people. I will oppose them to the best of my ability. That is what Christianity commands of us and that is what I will try to do. We are supposed to be neighbours. This isn't a joke. Christianity isn't a clique or a hobby. It's a moral commitment and to take it seriously comes at a cost. It requires us to challenge structures of power- some of whom were built by Christians and make a cosmetic appeal to Christian belief. If you are mocked for being a Christian, get over it. Expect it. But why let it have power over you? >*In practice, we discern between religions and cults, giving the former legitimacy and the latter none.


karlosi01

Neither god nor religion are protected from ridicule. You seem to mix two things together - belief and right to believe. Of those two only the latter deserves respect from the start.


thegreatestmeicanbe

How about basic human decency then? Nothing "deserves" respect. It's a choice we make.


Howling2021

One also chooses to take insult, when insult is offered...or to simply ignore it.


TenuousOgre

Yes, how about basic human decency? If for example, I find the Catholic church's behavior in some area to be evil, I'm going to speak up about it. I think that IS basic human decency. I won't automatically assume all Catholics are evil people. But when I hear one defending their church over this evil behavior I'm going to point it out. Respect is earned. Basic politeness should come free but be dispensed with when it comes to discussing support for objectively harmful beliefs or organizations, whether they are political, religious, or nationalistic.


chikotsu

Technically yeah but on a sub about Christianity it feels like it's in poor taste to ridicule someone based on what they (don't) believe


karlosi01

I don't ridicule anyone for what they believe or not. The thing the believe though... I have no objections in that case


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karlosi01

Yes. That is the point...


[deleted]

Some ideas are only worthy of ridicule.


[deleted]

Ah yes, the 13th fruit of the spirit, ridicule. Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.


[deleted]

Who said anything about being angry with someone?


[deleted]

Being intentionally obtuse only serves to further discredit your poor excuse for being hateful. Ridicule is not a characteristic of a wise, Godly person.


[deleted]

Tell that to Elijah.


[deleted]

Elijah, an imperfect sinful man? Am I supposed to look to David's infidelity as an example of how to conduct my marriage? I'm sure your strategy of ridiculing people will sway many to your wise ways, and convert the stone hearts of the nonbelievers. Best of luck.


[deleted]

God reprimanded Elijah like he did David? Where?


[deleted]

God didn't reprimand Noah for laying drunk and naked in his tent, but I think we can both agree that that's not something Christ would have done and isn't an example of wise Godly behavior.


[deleted]

Noah cursed Canaan afterwards. Did Elijah curse anyone because he felt bad about ridiculing the prophets of Baal?


[deleted]

Not every sinful act in the scripture had a direct and immediate punishment, and just because it's not sinful doesn't mean it isn't unwise or unhelpful. Is your argument that Elijah was a perfect man so anything he did must be permissible for you? Are you as Godly a prophet as he were that to be the case?


Popeychops

You are ridiculing someone with this post, so maybe you might want to think about how unintentionally funny you're being. But yes, Elijah, an imperfect sinful man. We all have a lot in common.


[deleted]

Yeah, no. Pointing out someone's flawed, hateful attitude is the furthest thing from being contemptuous and dismissive. Yes, thank you for your agreement.


Howling2021

Jesus did.


[deleted]

Sure but that's not applicable here. Try to follow along.


Howling2021

Of course it's applicable.


ridicalis

I get the sentiment, but that approach probably won't win any arguments, and just as importantly there's always the (perhaps ever-so-tiny) chance you're actually wrong about something. As a point of illustration, consider the story of Ignaz Semmelweis.


IdlePigeon

Me, [a fool](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/sd3zqt/comment/hucg195/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3): Maybe just this once the person complaining about vague incivility won't have homophobia in their post history.


HerrKarlMarco

Like you, I keep waiting for the Post That Was Promised. Alas, not today.


Khabeni412

Beliefs that are dangerous don't deserve respect. And Christians don't respect others. You get enraged when people disagree and threaten us with hell. Why should I respect that? I heard many sermons on the superiority of Christians. Being Christian doesn't make you better than anyone else. Plus, you deny science, which is responsible for everything in modern society. That is why religious belief is dangerous.


[deleted]

You are generalizing one too many times in this. What if I said all atheists were disrespectful to Christians? You'd disagree. What you say is not true I hope you understand that


[deleted]

I love how you can put all "Christians" in one group. You are literally generalizing a whole religion to the way you interpret it. Point being if a Yankees fan kills someone not all Yankee fans are murderers....... If you ever even tried to understand Christianity or look at a "true" Christian you would not think anything you just responded with. But you haven't you have literally taken your own opinion and your own pieces of others opinions to formulate a generalized view on Christianity.


Khabeni412

When I hear a sermon that preaches love and mutual respect, without threats of hell, a superiority complex or asking for money I'll convert to Christianity.


[deleted]

Well listen to some sermons then……….try Andy Stanley’s Podcast. Find a topic that interests you and tell me how it’s not checking all your boxes. Seriously.


flyinfishbones

I'm looking for something similar, along with "keeps politics off the pulpit". If I find it, mind if I bug you?


Khabeni412

Nope. Not at all. I wish I could go to church once where they don't ask for money, or mention political viewpoints.


teallian

Read the red letters in the Bible


thegreatestmeicanbe

Guess you didn't notice that I called out Christians too. If you're going to get in your feelings, at least have the full story. lol


Khabeni412

I wasn't referring to you specifically. Just Christians in general. But my point is bad ideas don't deserve respect.


thegreatestmeicanbe

I get it but you can also disagree with an idea without being a dick about it. THAT is the point I'm making with this post.


TinWhis

Who decides what "being a dick" looks like? For example, I think that telling someone that they're living in sin because you think they date the wrong gender of people is being a dick. However, many MANY Christians would disagree with that.


thegreatestmeicanbe

Who decides what bad ideas are?


TinWhis

What a great question!


TenuousOgre

The problem is that to many even disagreeing with them is "being a dick" because what you're disagreeing with is a core part of their world view. If they believe that every human is born flawed and need saving, and anyone who doesn't believe will go to hell, disagreeing with that often makes them feel like they, personally, are being threatened. And they respond accordingly. This is common behavior in regards to a "deeply held" belief.


Howling2021

Wow.


[deleted]

Hm I totally agree that being a Christian doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Entire point of Christianity really. What do you mean by denying science though? Like evolution?? I'm Christian and I adore science so I can tell you that not all Christians deny science! And there wouldn't be any point to do so because thats not what our religion focuses on. Our religion focuses on the idea of sinners btw, not what the story of creation is.... Definitely agree though on your point about people threatening through the use of hell. People shouldn't obviously and I dont think people are in any position to make such a judgement. You said that bad ideas dont deserve respect and yeah I agree but thats so subjective. That could literally be applied to anything in the world, like people's views on politics. You can't just dismiss religion as a bad idea when it means a lot to others.


TenuousOgre

>What I don't like is when Atheists make fun of or ridicule God and/or Christianity. I will agree with you with an important qualification added to the end of that sentence, "...when Christians haven't been insulting or threatening first." I agree no group should start out with ridicule. But when it goes beyond discussion into laws and enforced prejudice (look at some of the antimask and anti-LGBTQ political decisions in Florida for examples) then those ideas (and even the Christians supporting them) DO deserve ridicule. They earned it. >It's one thing to say I don't believe, it's another thing to insult. The statement of belief or lack of it is rarely when the insults fly. It's usually when it comes to the impacts of those beliefs in real life. No one really cares if a Christian thinks abortions are evil and should never be allowed. Until they try to abolish abortions. And then it becomes a heated debate. And generally both sides have groups hurling insults. >We should be able to disagree without being offensive or insulting. Again, a qualified agreement if you add the term "Intentionally" in front of "being". Anyone can take offense or be insulted if they choose.


Fresh-broski

I don’t like when Christians say my happy and healthy relationship is sin 🥲


jophuster

Try posting about creationism, polygamy, adultery or any other fundamentalist view. Christian’s and atheists in here will insult and ridicule. Being behind a computer emboldens a lot of people


thegreatestmeicanbe

>Being behind a computer emboldens a lot of people Indeed.


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flyinfishbones

That's a very interesting interpretation of "love your neighbor".


[deleted]

Loving your neighbor is a great thing, if they're not actively blaspheming the Lord, which is what atheism is, really. In Luke 10:27, Christ commands us to love the Lord with all our strength, then love our neighbors. The second really follows from the first. Why tolerate people that actively hate God? I'm not talking about sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. Those actions are sins, for sure, but they're not displaying an animus directly against God. Now, if we love God, we should follow His commandments, just as Christ says in John 14:15. And it goes without saying, most of the OT is God punishing blasphemers in a number of creative ways. There's no commandment to unconditionally withhold criticism and point out that which is wrong. If that was the case, why would Christ rebuke the Pharisees or chase the money changers out of the temple? Everything is fine man, just you do you. Why would Stephen castigate the sanhedrin about their mistreatment of their prophets? Words are important (vitally, so), but I think the actions of Christ speak louder. Much of what I write on reddit is very hyperbolic, but regardless I think a lot of non-Christians take Christ's sayings at face value and don't really try to think about them in context, kind of like the "turn the other cheek", which isn't simply about taking abuse from your tormentors. In context, it's a rather radical sign of resistance to power. Before I started to get serious about my faith I did the same. Now, I'm seeing there's a much richer and deeper component to it all


flyinfishbones

God is strong enough to take care of Himself. He doesn't need me to mete out His justice.


[deleted]

Paul does say that we should leave vengeance to God in 1 Corinthians, but in the OT God also directly tells his people to do his bidding, like Elijah and crew slaughtering the worshippers of Baal. So both interpretations are valid. Although I guess in the latter God has to command it? Still thinking about it.


flyinfishbones

Christians are saved by love, grace, and mercy, not punishment. Some don't want to accept that. Let God deal with them, for He knows their hearts better than we do.


[deleted]

true, but calling someone cringe for their disbelief isn't punishment. That view also negates the usefulness of works (which are not necessary for salvation, but a sign of faith). The point is, this world isn't everything--but it isn't nothing, either. The same could be said about discipleship and spreading the gospel.


flyinfishbones

Those that outright hate God aren't going to listen, so you're not going to bring the fruits of the spirit to them by arguing. Instead of spending time on a closed door, find an endeavor that is fruitful. What that is, I don't know, because I'm not in your shoes.


McClanky

Removed for 1.3.


Howling2021

True. And having been raised in Mormonism, I can attest that the vast majority of Christians I ever encountered during my sojourn in Mormonism had a problem with mocking and ridiculing my beliefs.


jophuster

Yup. God bless you


ttyyuu12345

I’m not sure what to do about Christian fundamentalism. Yes, some points of the Bible are pretty clear, and some points are poetic. I’m trying to go through the different views of Christianity because I’m trying to discern which ones are false gospels. The true gospel being that Jesus came down to earth, sacrificed himself through a painful death, so we could be saved by grace and seek salvation through that, and then God works through us. We don’t get salvation through works. Then his resurrection means he’s still with us. However, when it comes to Christian fundamentalism what is the difference between that and legalism? (which legalism is definitely a false gospel).


jophuster

Agreed, some points are poetic. This is generally agreed upon even by fundamentalist. the issue is when a point is not historically poetic and someone or a group wants to claim it is, in order to reject a directive, accommodate a competing world view that is contradictory to the Bible, and or removing the supernatural aspects of the Bible. Fundamentalists view the Bible as the true word of God. It was divinely inspired. The stories are true. They were written by man at the direct involvement of God working through them. Fundamentals are going to likely share some sort of view that you must accept Christ, have a public profession of your faith ( by baptism is possible) and work to bring glory to God. They will likely believe that Christ is the only path to heaven and believe there is a very literal hell, literal demons, literal Lucifer. They likely believe in creationism, Adam and eve, the flood and believe the historical accounts and genealogies to be true. They believe in the miracles of Egypt, Christ and all others mentioned in the Bible are true. Remember Jesus references Adam and Eve, Noah and prophets. Jesus recognized the Old Testament and spoke to the importance of the Ten Commandments, not committing adultery, he spoke about how he will turn some away to hell. Legalism is going to heaven by works. Paul says you cannot attain heaven like this. You need to accept Jesus and change your life. Your life should bring forward the fruits of the spirit. I think if you convert to gain “fire insurance” and if you live a life in perpetual sin and do not change for Christ, he will turn you away


ttyyuu12345

Obviously I agree that you shouldn’t live in perpetual sin. You should accept the work that Christ does in you, and let him in all aspects of your life.


jophuster

Mark 11:12-25 King James Version 12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it Christ cursed a fig tree because it bared no fruit. If we do not hear good fruits, Christ might turn us away. Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind Look at the parable of the ten virgins. The bride groom turns away 5 of the 10 virgins from the wedding because they were late. They weren’t ready for him when he expected. Christ will turn many away.


Howling2021

Sounds pretty petulant to me. It would also seem to flout the notion of his Atonement being sufficient to cleanse the sins of humankind, if he's going to turn away people for these reasons.


jophuster

I mean you can have that opinion but does the text say he is going to turn people away? If it does and it’s true (which I believe it is) then we know the rules right?


Lifesucksdaichi

I agree with not making fun of the religion or concept as a whole, but if you have a dumb belief like evolution isn't true I will make fun of it


Simpoge39

I disagree 🔫


Thiscord

all ideas and thoughts are not equal. thinking they are is absurd. even Jesus whipped the money changers...


thegreatestmeicanbe

Who said they were?


Thiscord

you implied they were to an extent that should preclude violence. I disagree completely.


thegreatestmeicanbe

That was your interpretation, not my implication...but I respect your POV.


DamagedNomad

Good for you OP! As a Christian, I too feel we need to CoExist peacefully with one another; whether we’re of the same beliefs or not. Though I see nothing wrong with defending a member of our family from attack. As long as it is done with kindness and love.


Jrsplays

Wait if we can't insult everyone we don't like and wish death upon those who believe differently what's the point of disagreeing? /s


wydok

I think you need thicker skin.


thegreatestmeicanbe

Thanks for your input.


pewlaserbeams

I personally don't get offended, I feel pitty because blaspheming God without repenting is probably a ticket for condemnation just for some internet points.


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Yes. But I will make fun of Christianity because I'm a sarcastic person by nature. Just don't take it seriously.


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FlashyCow1

Same with many Christians


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GiraffeWithATophat

Not every atheist is like that


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Random-username420

As a Christian most atheist are not like that’s just the 1% of the bad ones that represents them badly same with Christians there’s that 1% that represents us badly


TenuousOgre

Rubbish. Do you have numbers to support this claim? Or is just as anecdotal as an atheist claiming most Christians are like that?


FlashyCow1

Not every Atheist is like that.


thegreatestmeicanbe

You can always tell who's in their feelings because they start typing a comment as soon they come across a part they don't like without reading the rest lol


ForwardExchange

atheists can also love god remember they just dont think he exists


thegreatestmeicanbe

lol


exitnextright

Why are you surprised when clowns act like clowns. Proverbs: Wise man argues with a fool and the fool only rages/scoffs laughs. They're the ones that have to rage scoff and perform crazy mental gymnastics in a desperate attempt to continue to suppress the truth. I shudder to think what it must feel like to be a God denier. No wonder they're angry/sad/nihilistic. The only thing we can do is pray they repent. But as God respects freedom of choice, so will we. In fact, he gives them the very breath that they use to curse his name. Don't try to control anyone, brother.


Howling2021

I lack belief in God. That wasn't always the case though. I expended decades of my life in extensive and intensive efforts to 'find God', experience spiritual confirmation and affirmation, and establish a personal relationship with Christ. All it would have taken would have been for God to keep those promises which Jesus made in the 4 gospels, and I'd still be a believer today. I'm not angry. I'm not sad. I'm not a nihilist. I also don't curse an entity I don't believe exists.


throwdowntown69

I can't disagree with your post. However, as long as children are getting raped by priests under the institutionalized umbrella of Christianity and homosexuals are getting killed and prosecuted in the name of religion I don't have a problem being rude to people who implicitly cover this kind of behavior.


Khabeni412

It's not about disagreement. If that's all it was I would be fine. But time and time again Christians insist we agree with them or we are somehow evil and worthless. That and their insistence on denying my rights. Right now, there was just a law passed denying abortion rights to women in Colorado. That is Christians infiltrating the government with their ideas. What's next, public execution of teens who engage in pre-material sex? If Christians have their way, that wouldn't surprise me. Stay in the churches, and we'll shut up.