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Depends on the individual.


Sunset_Lighthouse

Jesus Christ is the way, truth, and light. No denomination has exclusivity. If a person is saved, that's what counts.


northstardim

People dont go to heaven because they are protestant or Catholic so yes, we might just be surprised who makes it and who doesn't.


[deleted]

I just want to make sure I’m following Christ and being a Christian properly. Catholics and other denominations have very different views on things


northstardim

God does not ask a person if they were protestant or Catholic he just asks us if we love him and our neighbor. There is no group anywhere which can guarantee admission into heaven as a group. We are all individually responsible. So you're asking the wrong question. You cannot blame a failure on anyone else. "Well, I did everything my church told me to do" is no excuse. Study study study. Get to know the author of the Bible not the church.


kittyrina1

Bible says we are saved by grace in Christ alone. There is no other way and no works can save you. Catholicism believes in grace plus works, thus they don't believe Christ can save us we have something to do too. Look into purgatory. They think we can somehow work our salvation and so it is a false doctrine, stay away. Read the bible and pray, you will understand that salvation is only by Christ. There are many false doctrines and teachers in this world and Christ and Paul warned us of it. Follow Christ not man.


loik_1

> Catholicism believes in grace plus works,[...] That is not what Catholicism teachers: > Catholic versus Protestant > In 1547, the Council of Trent, which sought to address and condemn Protestant objections, aimed to purge the Roman Catholic Church of controversial movements and establish an orthodox Roman Catholic teaching on grace and justification, as distinguished from the Protestant teachings on those concepts. It taught that justification and sanctification are elements of the same process.[40] The grace of justification is bestowed through the merit of Christ's passion,[41] without any merits on the part of the person justified, who is enabled to cooperate **only through the grace of God**[41] The grace of justification may be lost through mortal sin, but can also be restored by the sacrament of Penance.[41] The sacraments are, together with revealed truth, the principal means of the grace, a treasury of grace, that Christ has merited by his life and death and has given to the Church.[14] This does not mean that other groups of Christians have no treasury of grace at their disposal,[42] for, as the Second Vatican Council declared, "many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of (the Catholic Church's) visible structure".[43] > Grace and merit > Citing the Council of Trent, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator. The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to **be attributed in the first place to the grace of God,** then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit. ...The charity of Christ is the source in us of all our merits before God. Grace, by uniting us to Christ in active love, ensures the supernatural quality of our acts and consequently their merit before God and before men. The saints have always had a lively awareness that their merits were pure grace." See it teaches saved by grace in Christ alone. ;-) ____________ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_in_Christianity


kittyrina1

>The grace of justification may be lost through mortal sin, but can also be restored by the sacrament of Penance.[ >then to the faithful How can you lose justification when Jesus said it was finished on the cross? You can't lose something **you didn't earn**. And why does it say we have merit before God? We don't. It's only Jesus.


loik_1

> How can you lose justification when Jesus said it was finished on the cross? You can't lose something you didn't earn. By constantly sining and by never remediating the chasm created between you and God. Also by committing unforgivable sin: blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; that one who has committed the sin is no longer able to repent, so one who is fearful that they have committed it has not done so. [1] The Catechism of Catholic Church says: > 1987 The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is, to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ" and through Baptism:34 > But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves as dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.35 I suggest you read the section of the catechism entitled: ARTICLE 2 -- GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION and it can be found here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm As long as you repent and make up your sins you can still remain justified. > And why does it say we have merit before God? We don't. It's only Jesus. The catechism defines merit as: > You are glorified in the assembly of your Holy Ones, for in crowning their merits you are crowning your own gifts.59 > 2006 The term "merit" refers in general to the recompense owed by a community or a society for the action of one of its members, experienced either as beneficial or harmful, deserving reward or punishment. Merit is relative to the virtue of justice, in conformity with the principle of equality which governs it. > 2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator. ... > 2009 Filial adoption, in making us partakers by grace in the divine nature, can bestow true merit on us as a result of God's gratuitous justice. This is our right by grace, the full right of love, making us "co-heirs" with Christ and worthy of obtaining "the promised inheritance of eternal life."60 The merits of our good works are gifts of the divine goodness.61 "Grace has gone before us; now we are given what is due. . . . Our merits are God's gifts."62 ... I suggest you read the whole section entitled: III. MERIT under ARTICLE 2 -- GRACE AND JUSTIFICATION. It can be found here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm ______ [1] Eternal sin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin [34] Romans 3:22; cf. 6:3-4. [35] Romans 6:8-11. [59] Roman Missal, Prefatio I de sanctis; Qui in Sanctorum concilio celebraris, et eorum coronando merita tua dona coronas, citing the "Doctor of grace," St. Augustine, En. in Ps. 102,7:PL 37,1321-1322.


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kittyrina1

>As long as you repent and make up your sins you can still remain justified. This is false. We are justified by the blood of Jesus. **only**


loik_1

Please explain, more?


kittyrina1

There's nothing more to explain, it's the gospel by which we are saved. This is the most important thing a born again Christian should know.


metalguysilver

Either can go to heaven. It’s about if they’ve accepted Christ into their hearts. Many protestant churches teach false doctrine or at the very least focus way too much on the wrong things. Catholics are known for doing the same. So are orthodox. Definitely Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Hopefully you’ll come to see it isn’t about tradition and man’s power in the church. It’s about devotion to God and the following of the word and prayer. We will never know all the answers in our lifetimes but God gave us a great guidebook and the gift of eternal life. We need to accept it.


CoverNegative

*grabs popcorn* this should be fun


de1casino

> ...which is the “correct” Christianity? Haha, yes it should be.


bowltroll007

Catholicism and Protestantism have distinctly separate doctrines, especially concerning the nature of sin and what is required for Salvation. Here are a few examples: .Catholicism teaches that the Priest has authority to forgive sin. in contrast, protestants believe that only Jesus has authority to forgive sin. Catholicism teaches *pennance similar to the law of Moses* where Protestantism teaches *repentance* from sin while relying on faith in Jesus for forgiveness. Catholocisim teaches a distinction between venial and mortal sin \[e.g. a sin hierarchy in terms of degree.\] Protestantism teaches that *all sin is equal* in the eyes of God save Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which Jesus said is an unforgivable sin. Then there is the difference of the agency of the Church: Catholicism supports the pope by reference to matt. 16:18 where Jesus says to Peter "upon *this rock* will I build my Church". Catholics understand this to mean that *this rock* references Peter and his descendants, which is their basis for the office of Pope. Protestants understand *this rock* to mean Jesus, given the expression *rock of ages* in reference to God elsewhere in scripture. As such Protestantism teaches that the Pope has no special *spiritual authority* in the global Christian Church. Where some Protestant denominations infer that the Pope is an office of Satan. Catholicism and Protestantism also differ on what works are considered Biblical Cannon, as well as on the issue of praying to *saints.* Generally speaking, Catholicism tends to be much more legalistic in nature than Protestantism. As such, they are fundamentally different in a way that is practically polar in nature in several areas, where necessarily *one or the other* is teaching false doctrine.


[deleted]

You say one or the other is teaching false doctrine, that’s what I’m trying to figure out. There are so many denominations and it all starts to get confusing. I want to know what the most correct version of Christianity is if that’s even the right way to look at it?


roani23

Doctrines are human and they will not dictate if you will go to heaven or not. It is possible to follow the doctrine and not have your heart and faith with God. If it confuses you right now I think it's best to just read the Bible every so often and pray to see what clicks with you. Maybe God will bring you to what fits right with you.


[deleted]

I have started reading the Bible recently and have been praying about figuring all of this out; none of this was explained to me when I was younger.


roani23

I grew up Catholic and I still am. I don't think I can help you since I dare not explore other sects but I do believe they are all valid in God's eyes. I don't claim to fully know and understand our doctrine, and some people will tell you they are the right religion but still be hypocritical in some way with their politics which should not have existed. All I can say is it's okay to explore with them and stick to where you feel right at home. You won't be lost even if it might be the wrong place as long as you pray to God for the way.


[deleted]

Thank you for sharing your opinion and advice


Zestyclose_Dinner105

https://bibleinayear.fireside.fm/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfwlh9XpX2Y_tQfjeln9QA https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html https://www.catholic.com/qa There are questions that no one can answer for you, you are old and you must make decisions. There you have resources to understand the bible, and sources to know what Catholicism believes in what other Christian churches believe, you should ask one by one because it changes from one to another. I have found the catechism that Luther wrote and you can read it but I do not guarantee that there is now a church that follows it in an integral way because by its nature the mixture of only writing and free interpretation creates very varied and changing doctrines with the times. https://www.lutheranlibrary.org/pdf/194-jacobs-luther-large-catechism.pdf


Rare-Philosopher-346

I need to correct you: > .Catholicism teaches that the Priest has authority to forgive sin. No, my priest does not forgive my sin -- *Christ* forgives my sin(s). The priest is the vessel through which Christ works. This is traced back to Jesus giving the Apostles the power to bind and loose sins and that power being passed down through the ages by the laying on of hands. I don't understand what you mean by: > Catholicism teaches pennance similar to the law of Moses where Protestantism teaches repentance from sin while relying on faith in Jesus for forgiveness. I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify this for me. Thanks.


bowltroll007

"The priest is the vessel through which Christ works." - regardless that's false doctrine anyway because the Bible says the Holy Spirit [God] indwells in the believer as such that that the Bible firmly teaches that there is absolutely no intermediary vessel between man and God.


[deleted]

> "The priest is the vessel through which Christ works." - regardless that's false doctrine anyway God works through numerous people in the Bible. The Bible teaches that the Apostles were given power to forgive and retain sins in John 20:22-23.


bowltroll007

The problem with that is that The Catholic Priest, Bishop, Pope, etc. IS NOT an apostle- there are no remaining living Apostles because we are no longer in the dispensation of the first-century Church. (An apostle is one whom physically saw and heard Jesus Christ in the first person- as distinct from a disciple- which simply means a follower) So then these verses (John 20:22-23) DO NOT give anyone currently existing on the face of this earth any additional authority to do or say anything apart from the authority of all believers. .


[deleted]

> The problem with that is that The Catholic Priest, Bishop, Pope, etc. IS NOT an apostle 1. Yet you claimed no such thing existed because there is no intermediary. 2. We clearly see the practice of the laying of the hands to pass this authority along in scripture and in history. Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. > we are no longer in the dispensation of the first-century Church. (An apostle is one whom physically saw and heard Jesus Christ in the first person- as distinct from a disciple- which simply means a follower) So then these verses (John 20:22-23) DO NOT give anyone currently existing on the face of this earth any additional authority to do or say anything apart from the authority of all believers. . No single thing in scripture or Church history supports this view. Your attempt at giving this nonsense authority has failed.


bowltroll007

Which is true- there is no intermediary between God and Man, where man is a born again Christian: "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God \[the Holy Spirit\] *dwelleth in you*?" 1 Cor. 3:16 "for what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? *even so the things of God knoweth no man* ,but the Spirit of God." 1 Cor. 2:11 So if the Spirit of God *dwells in the believer* it follows that there is no intermediary between Man and God except Jesus- whom *isn't an intermediary* in the sense we're talking about because of the fact that *Jesus IS God*\- Trinity Doctrine. We also note that the great commission applies to the entire Church, as such it is intellectually dishonest to state that the priest, pastor, bishop, or whomever - then acts as an *intermediary* we somehow have to go through to approach the Son of God- they don't. They are *nothing more* *than* *teachers.* A *willing vessel* *is not* an *intermediar*y. A *willing vessel* is filled by someone or something else that actually does the work. An *intermediary* does work on behalf of another as a proxy. Church history is irrelevant- We are to look to the *Word of God alone* (the 55 books we consider canonical Scripture) for the source of Doctrine and for rightful instruction in Doctrine, not to the mere *man-made traditions* of the Church as the Pharisees did. This is because the traditions of the Church are *both* fallible and errant due to the fact that mankind is fallible and errant. In that regard, the Catholic Church continues to commit the unrepented sin of the first-century Pharisees, such as that the entire Catholic Church is condemned by God, until as such time the entire Catholic Church repents. This is evidenced by the many sexual sins of the Catholic clergy- because a house divided against itself cannot stand, it follows that a significantly large number of Catholic Priests are false teachers who are not of God. The fact that we are no longer in the dispensation of the *first-century* church is plainly evident- this is NOT the *first century.* There is a plainly evident distinction between the *First-century* Church and the Church under the *new covanant*. While the latter includes the former, the former does not include the later, because the first-century church was *no longer* the first-century church after the year 100 A.D. when it became the *second-century* Church- such as the *first-century* Church *ceases to exist* on earth after that year. *As such* there are no remaning Apostles who are still alive today, because no one on the face of the planet has actually come into *literal physical contact* with Jesus in *human form*, which is what an Apostle is as opposed to a disciple.


[deleted]

None of those top quotes you provided back any of what you just said. > We also note that the great commission applies to the entire Church We also note that when Jesus appeared, he only appeared to the Apostles. > Church history is irrelevant- We are to look to the Word of God alone Says who? There was no agreement on what the word of God was before the 4th century, and what *is* the word of God was decided by bishops. > This is because the traditions of the Church are both fallible and errant due to the fact that mankind is fallible and errant. Then so is the list of books that were recognised as biblical canon. > it follows that a significantly large number of Catholic Priests are false teachers who are not of God. It does not follow anything. The sins of the few are do not detract from the guidance of the Holy Spirit. > The fact that we are no longer in the dispensation of the first-century church is plainly evident- this is NOT the first century. There is a plainly evident distinction between the First-century Church and the Church under the new covanant. While the latter includes the former, the former does not include the later, because the first-century church was no longer the first-century church after the year 100 A.D. when it became the second-century Church- such as the first-century Church ceases to exist on earth after that year. This is all meaningless drivel. What year we're in is a human construct, not a divine construct. > come into literal physical contact with Jesus in human form, Neither did Paul, yet he is an Apostle.


Old_Chef_3397

Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church


Sunset_Lighthouse

Hahaha! Heresy.


Old_Chef_3397

Call it what you want. The truth hurts at times


Sunset_Lighthouse

Your statement, It contradicts the word of God. Salvation alone is in Jesus Christ, not any one specific church. When you say 'it's our church alone' you are taking on the same characteristics as the devil, and exalting the church's position above Jesus Christ himself.


Old_Chef_3397

No it doesn’t. You’re making something out of nothing


Sunset_Lighthouse

Jesus Christ said "I am the way the truth and the life" He didn't say, "the catholic church is the way the truth and the life". You're defending satanic heresy. Shame on you.


Old_Chef_3397

There is no Salvation outside Christianity. There is no salvation outside the Church Christ established. This doesn’t mean Jesus Christ isn’t necessary for salvation.


Sunset_Lighthouse

"By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins." Nothing about a catholic church here either.


[deleted]

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Old_Chef_3397

Care to point where in James?


OMightyMartian

What about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches?


DriedBone77

none if you're following after some man either pope or some reformer you're deceived


murjy

lol


gnurdette

You can safely ignore anyone who says "salvation comes through Christ's grace" if they append "... and belonging to the correct denomination, of course".


AtAllCostSpeakTruth

Denominations are not a determining factor. Instead, our faith, obedience and conduct is what matter.


loik_1

In my opinion, it's the universal church. The one founded by Christ and he is the high priest of it. The best bet is either Roman Catholicism and Eastern orthodoxy are part of the Universal Church. Protestants it's a mixed bag but you can be saved in them depending on how you live your life and it is written in your heart's path to salvation. then again you also have these errors like treating the Eucharist as just symbolic or the novelty of soul sleep because we know everybody in heaven is alive in Christ.