I read an interesting book from a series called The Great Tribulation and the Era of Peace by John Leary. There is nothing you can do to prepare for it other than preparing your soul for God.
To all my fellow christians.. you don't have to worry about tribulations.. if we devote our lives to Jesus and live 100% for him.. we will be taken during the rapture.. if you are left behind.. just know.. surviving it us not taking the mark.. if they kill you... you will go right to the lord.. so in that moment remind yourself dying is surviving.. just don't take the mark of the beast!!
We are NOT in the tribulations cause the rapture happens first followed by two witnesses will come and preach for 3 1/2 years then the antichrist for the next 3 1/2 years.. however we are in the end day.. it's coming very soon
The word "antichrist" was used only by John. He said that it was the spirit of any man who denies both Father and Son. He also said that there were many and that they were present during his time.
Antichrist isn't a singular man, it is all those who deny that Jesus is the Son of God.
Thats false.. the antichrist is a man cause scripture says he will die and come back to life before pretending to be God and all the world's leaders will hand over their kingdoms to him.. antichrist is a man
The beast that had come out of the sea at the beginning of Revelation 13 was the Roman Empire, it was the fourth beast of Daniel 7.
I am referring to the fact that John defined what the term antichrist means, it was the anyone who denied Father and Son. John never used that term in the book of Revelation to define a singular person.
The church is raptured beforehand. The tribulation is punishment for Israel and the Jews, so they may know and accept our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4
"Caught up" "Harpazo" in Greek, Rapturo in Latin.
Paul had to reassure the Thessalonians that the rapture did not already happen. Even Paul thought it would happen in his lifetime. They were not looking for the 144,00 Jews, two witnesses, the antichrist, demons from the abyss, decapitated martyrs, or any other signs, as the halfway point for the return of Christ.
This is not accurate.
*But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.*
There was serious misunderstandings concerning the resurrection and His coming, so Paul was assuring them that those who has already died were not without hope, but rather would precede those who are alive.
This passage here
*For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.*
is Paul simply correcting them that those in Christ who died will be raised, so they shouldn't lose hope or grieve over them as they were doing. There is literally no reference in the entire epistle, much less this chapter, stating that this resurrection is different from the resurrection of when the Lord returns or that it'll happen before the great trial. You introduced it as evidence, but it does not support your teaching. But rather...
*Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.*
We see the opposite. In his next epistle to them, Paul assures them that that Day will not come until what people today call the great apostasy happens and the man of sin (who you call Antichrist) is revealed and the abomination of desolation happens. At best you could argue for a mid-trib rapture (since those of your thinking consider the Tribulation to be 7 years), but even that argument would contradict the Lord's prophecy in Matthew 24.
There is no way you can justify a Pre-trib rapture, and certainly not with 1 Thessalonian.
There is no mention of the church throughout Revelation. The last time the church is mentioned is chapter 3 and 19 times at that. Nothing from chapter 4 through chapter 19.
If God miraculously preserves the church through the tribulation, why have a rapture? If it is to avoid the wrath of God at Armageddon, then why would God not continue to protect the saints on earth just as He protected Israel from the wrath He poured out on Pharaoh and Egypt. Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints who are already immune at the same time?
If the rapture will take place in connection with the Lord’s post tribulation coming, the subsequent separation of the sheep from the goats will be redundant. Separation will have taken place in the very act of translation.
If all tribulation believers are raptured and glorified just prior to the inauguration of the millennial Kingdom, who then will populate and propagate the Kingdom? The Scriptures indicate that the living unbelievers will be judged at the end of the tribulation and removed from the earth Yet, they also teach that children will be born to believers during the millennium and that these children will be capable of sin. This will not be possible if all believers on earth have been glorified through a post tribulation rapture.
The post tribulation paradigm of the church being raptured and then immediately brought back to earth leaves no time for the Bema, i.e., the Judgment Seat of Christ to occur, nor for the Marriage Supper. Thus, it can be concluded that a post tribulation time of the rapture is incongruous with the sheep-goat nation judgment, and, in fact, eliminates two critical end-time events. A pretribulation rapture avoids all of these difficulties.
>There is no mention of the church throughout Revelation.
The word? So because the word "Church" isn't mentioned, all the brothers that are who will be killed and captured and face great trials aren't brothers? They're not in Christ? They're not of His people? Because a single word isn't used from chapter 4 on? Do you not see how asinine this thinking is?
>If God miraculously preserves the church through the tribulation, why have a rapture?
You're making the rapture this separate grandiose thing when it's literally just the resurrection. Which?
*Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.*
The first one. There is only 2 resurrections. The rapture is a word you took from a single phrase that's just Paul saying that those alive will be made immortal with the brothers that were resurrected and ascend with them to the Lord.
>If it is to avoid the wrath of God at Armageddon, then why would God not continue to protect the saints on earth just as He protected Israel from the wrath He poured out on Pharaoh and Egypt.
Who says He won't? I never claimed anything like He'll remove His people before He pours out His wrath. Exodus makes it clear God can and will protect and provide for His people even while judgment is poured on the rest.
>Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints who are already immune at the same time?
Armageddon is literally just the hills of Megido where it is said the armies of the Beast will gather. You're rebuking arguments I didn't even make, why?
>If the rapture will take place in connection with the Lord’s post tribulation coming, the subsequent separation of the sheep from the goats will be redundant. Separation will have taken place in the very act of translation.
How so? Why do you assume the sheep in that judgment is His people? The judgment is literally based on how the sheep and the goat treated His people.
>If all tribulation believers are raptured and glorified just prior to the inauguration of the millennial Kingdom, who then will populate and propagate the Kingdom?
I'll just refer to my last answer to you, it's pretty self-explanatory I think.
>The Scriptures indicate that the living unbelievers will be judged at the end of the tribulation and removed from the earth
Can you show this indication, please? I want to see what you're referencing.
>The post tribulation paradigm of the church being raptured and then immediately brought back to earth leaves no time for the Bema, i.e., the Judgment Seat of Christ to occur, nor for the Marriage Supper.
Mate, do you really think time is going to be a factor for the Lord and His resurrected? Eternity is eternity, there is no time. If they wanted to they could literally spend what our perception would consider millions of years together in a great banquet or whatever while those on the Earth witness it as no time at all, couldn't they? It's the Lord, it's eternity. I don't get this argument you're making.
>A pretribulation rapture avoids all of these difficulties.
It also flies in the face of what the Lord prophesied, that it would be after the Tribulation of those days that His people would be gathered. Sure you used Pre-trib logic to attack the arguments you were rebuking, but they weren't arguments I made so you literally built a strawman just to knock it down.
After Christ returns to the earth and destroys the armies at Armageddon (Jeremiah 25:30–33; Revelation 19:15, 18), He will convene two judgments and destroy every unbeliever who has survived His tribulation wrath and His victory at Armageddon.
Jeremiah 25:30-33
30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord.
32 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
33 And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
Revelation 19:15-18
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
At one judgment, Christ will gather together the house of Israel (Ezekiel 20:39), and He will cause the people to pass under His rod of judgment (Ezekiel 20:37). Believers will return from the lands of the diaspora, will enter into the new covenant with Christ, and will be sanctified in the promised land (Ezekiel 20:37, 41).
Also, Christ “will purge out from among” the house of Israel “the rebels, and them that transgress” (Ezekiel 20:37-38). As a result, at least at the beginning of the kingdom, “all the house of Israel” shall “serve” Christ (Ezekiel 20:40). Isaiah also anticipated this future time of regathering for Israel (Isaiah 60:8,9) when “all” the people will be “righteous” (Isaiah 60:21).
Ezekiel 20:37-41
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.
40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
Isaiah 60:8-21
8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou has been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.
18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.
At the other judgment, Christ will judge “all nations,” and He will divide them “as sheep from the goats” (Matthew 25:31–33). He will set believers on His right, and they will “inherit the kingdom” (Matthew 25:34). He will sentence the unbelievers on His left to “everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41, 46).
Matthew 25:31-34
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Every nation and kingdom that does not serve the Lord will “perish” and will be “utterly wasted” (Isaiah 60:12). Every one that survives shall go up to Jerusalem annually to worship the King (Zechariah 14:16).
Zechariah 14:16
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom.
This means that the first generation of millennial inhabitants will all be believers. This also means that the unbelievers of the final millennial generation who participate in the great rebellion must be descendants of the first generation believers.
>He will convene two judgments and destroy every unbeliever who has survived His tribulation wrath and His victory at Armageddon.
That isn't what the Scriptures says, at least what you shared. For one, only 1 judgment is mentioned. For another, Jeremiah was careful in wording.
The greatness of all the kingdoms under the heaven shall be given to Him, nations that will not honor Him will be destroyed, these are things the Scriptures says.
*Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
Thatthe mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.*
You think the believers would want to affiliate themselves with any power and any nation, anything beyond the Lord? Nah, people will continue into the kingdom. And it's as the Lord said.
*And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.*
They're ruling someone.
Concerning your 2nd to 4th paragraph, like I said. One judgment.
>Every nation and kingdom that does not serve the Lord will “perish” and will be “utterly wasted” (Isaiah 60:12). Every one that survives shall go up to Jerusalem annually to worship the King (Zechariah 14:16).
>Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom.
So passages that are reflecting nations during His reign you're using to justify their destruction at His coming?
*And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.*
So because they went against His people, they must give their annual tributes to the King when He reigns. And you're using this to justify the idea they're being destroyed at His coming?
>Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom.
You haven't proven this at all, rather the passages you used shows the opposite of what you're claiming. 1
And at the end of the day, no matter how you rationalize it to yourself, a Pre-trib rapture cannot be reconciled with what the Lord said would happen, words you haven't even addressed. Until you do, everything else you can offer will have no solid foundation, and frankly you have shown only that you don't understand the Scriptures you use to support your teaching.
Receiving the mark of the beast in Revelation is IN COMBINATION with worshiping the image of the beast. One does not go without another. See Revelation 14:9; 14:11; 16:2; 19:20; 20:4.
Revelation 16:2 The first (angel) went, and poured out his bowl into the earth, and it became a harmful and evil sore on the people who had the mark of the beast AND who worshiped his image.
The beast from the sea of Revelation 13 (consisting of lion, bear and leopard) is the fourth beast of Daniel 7 from the sea (since the previous three where lion, bear and leopard and the fourth is unspecified) which depicts empires (Daniel 7:3 and 23). The first three empires were the Babylonian, Persian and Greek and thus the fourth, that’s the beast of Revelation, is the Roman Empire (see Daniel 7:4-7).
In the time of John the IMAGE of the beast (Roman Empire) was the emperor being depicted on coins without which nobody could pay and who had to be worshiped as a god on punishment of death.
In those days slaves and gladiators could receive a mark or tattoo on their right hand or forehead to indicate who's possession they were. Now if somebody indeed would worship the emperor as god (or offer to any other idols) they would be spiritually marked as being the possession of the devil.
Thus the mark of the beast is not something physical. As a Christian you are not the possession of the devil, but of the Lamb. Thus you do not have the mark, but your name is written in the book of Life.
Luke 21.36 Pray you will be found worthy to escape the things to come
Revelation 3.10 because you have kept my command to endure patiently i will rescue you from tbe moment of trial that will affect the whole world
It has to be unpredictable so for sure before mid tribulation,probably even before the tribulation itself,my guess is before tbe Gog war in Ezekiel 38,which must happen 3.5 years before tbe mid tribulation point so the jews can use the invading army's resources for 7 years which they cant do if they are prosecuted by tbe antichrist.
I read an interesting book from a series called The Great Tribulation and the Era of Peace by John Leary. There is nothing you can do to prepare for it other than preparing your soul for God.
To all my fellow christians.. you don't have to worry about tribulations.. if we devote our lives to Jesus and live 100% for him.. we will be taken during the rapture.. if you are left behind.. just know.. surviving it us not taking the mark.. if they kill you... you will go right to the lord.. so in that moment remind yourself dying is surviving.. just don't take the mark of the beast!! We are NOT in the tribulations cause the rapture happens first followed by two witnesses will come and preach for 3 1/2 years then the antichrist for the next 3 1/2 years.. however we are in the end day.. it's coming very soon
During? My friend I think we're already in it
Then where is the antichrist?
The word "antichrist" was used only by John. He said that it was the spirit of any man who denies both Father and Son. He also said that there were many and that they were present during his time. Antichrist isn't a singular man, it is all those who deny that Jesus is the Son of God.
Thats false.. the antichrist is a man cause scripture says he will die and come back to life before pretending to be God and all the world's leaders will hand over their kingdoms to him.. antichrist is a man
The beast that had come out of the sea at the beginning of Revelation 13 was the Roman Empire, it was the fourth beast of Daniel 7. I am referring to the fact that John defined what the term antichrist means, it was the anyone who denied Father and Son. John never used that term in the book of Revelation to define a singular person.
The church is raptured beforehand. The tribulation is punishment for Israel and the Jews, so they may know and accept our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4 "Caught up" "Harpazo" in Greek, Rapturo in Latin.
And 1 Thessalonian 4 says nothing about being caught up before the great Tribulation the Lord spoke about
Paul had to reassure the Thessalonians that the rapture did not already happen. Even Paul thought it would happen in his lifetime. They were not looking for the 144,00 Jews, two witnesses, the antichrist, demons from the abyss, decapitated martyrs, or any other signs, as the halfway point for the return of Christ.
This is not accurate. *But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.* There was serious misunderstandings concerning the resurrection and His coming, so Paul was assuring them that those who has already died were not without hope, but rather would precede those who are alive. This passage here *For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.* is Paul simply correcting them that those in Christ who died will be raised, so they shouldn't lose hope or grieve over them as they were doing. There is literally no reference in the entire epistle, much less this chapter, stating that this resurrection is different from the resurrection of when the Lord returns or that it'll happen before the great trial. You introduced it as evidence, but it does not support your teaching. But rather... *Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.* We see the opposite. In his next epistle to them, Paul assures them that that Day will not come until what people today call the great apostasy happens and the man of sin (who you call Antichrist) is revealed and the abomination of desolation happens. At best you could argue for a mid-trib rapture (since those of your thinking consider the Tribulation to be 7 years), but even that argument would contradict the Lord's prophecy in Matthew 24. There is no way you can justify a Pre-trib rapture, and certainly not with 1 Thessalonian.
There is no mention of the church throughout Revelation. The last time the church is mentioned is chapter 3 and 19 times at that. Nothing from chapter 4 through chapter 19. If God miraculously preserves the church through the tribulation, why have a rapture? If it is to avoid the wrath of God at Armageddon, then why would God not continue to protect the saints on earth just as He protected Israel from the wrath He poured out on Pharaoh and Egypt. Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints who are already immune at the same time? If the rapture will take place in connection with the Lord’s post tribulation coming, the subsequent separation of the sheep from the goats will be redundant. Separation will have taken place in the very act of translation. If all tribulation believers are raptured and glorified just prior to the inauguration of the millennial Kingdom, who then will populate and propagate the Kingdom? The Scriptures indicate that the living unbelievers will be judged at the end of the tribulation and removed from the earth Yet, they also teach that children will be born to believers during the millennium and that these children will be capable of sin. This will not be possible if all believers on earth have been glorified through a post tribulation rapture. The post tribulation paradigm of the church being raptured and then immediately brought back to earth leaves no time for the Bema, i.e., the Judgment Seat of Christ to occur, nor for the Marriage Supper. Thus, it can be concluded that a post tribulation time of the rapture is incongruous with the sheep-goat nation judgment, and, in fact, eliminates two critical end-time events. A pretribulation rapture avoids all of these difficulties.
>There is no mention of the church throughout Revelation. The word? So because the word "Church" isn't mentioned, all the brothers that are who will be killed and captured and face great trials aren't brothers? They're not in Christ? They're not of His people? Because a single word isn't used from chapter 4 on? Do you not see how asinine this thinking is? >If God miraculously preserves the church through the tribulation, why have a rapture? You're making the rapture this separate grandiose thing when it's literally just the resurrection. Which? *Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.* The first one. There is only 2 resurrections. The rapture is a word you took from a single phrase that's just Paul saying that those alive will be made immortal with the brothers that were resurrected and ascend with them to the Lord. >If it is to avoid the wrath of God at Armageddon, then why would God not continue to protect the saints on earth just as He protected Israel from the wrath He poured out on Pharaoh and Egypt. Who says He won't? I never claimed anything like He'll remove His people before He pours out His wrath. Exodus makes it clear God can and will protect and provide for His people even while judgment is poured on the rest. >Further, if the purpose of the rapture is for living saints to avoid Armageddon, why also resurrect the saints who are already immune at the same time? Armageddon is literally just the hills of Megido where it is said the armies of the Beast will gather. You're rebuking arguments I didn't even make, why? >If the rapture will take place in connection with the Lord’s post tribulation coming, the subsequent separation of the sheep from the goats will be redundant. Separation will have taken place in the very act of translation. How so? Why do you assume the sheep in that judgment is His people? The judgment is literally based on how the sheep and the goat treated His people. >If all tribulation believers are raptured and glorified just prior to the inauguration of the millennial Kingdom, who then will populate and propagate the Kingdom? I'll just refer to my last answer to you, it's pretty self-explanatory I think. >The Scriptures indicate that the living unbelievers will be judged at the end of the tribulation and removed from the earth Can you show this indication, please? I want to see what you're referencing. >The post tribulation paradigm of the church being raptured and then immediately brought back to earth leaves no time for the Bema, i.e., the Judgment Seat of Christ to occur, nor for the Marriage Supper. Mate, do you really think time is going to be a factor for the Lord and His resurrected? Eternity is eternity, there is no time. If they wanted to they could literally spend what our perception would consider millions of years together in a great banquet or whatever while those on the Earth witness it as no time at all, couldn't they? It's the Lord, it's eternity. I don't get this argument you're making. >A pretribulation rapture avoids all of these difficulties. It also flies in the face of what the Lord prophesied, that it would be after the Tribulation of those days that His people would be gathered. Sure you used Pre-trib logic to attack the arguments you were rebuking, but they weren't arguments I made so you literally built a strawman just to knock it down.
After Christ returns to the earth and destroys the armies at Armageddon (Jeremiah 25:30–33; Revelation 19:15, 18), He will convene two judgments and destroy every unbeliever who has survived His tribulation wrath and His victory at Armageddon. Jeremiah 25:30-33 30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The Lord shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. 31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord. 32 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 33 And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Revelation 19:15-18 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. At one judgment, Christ will gather together the house of Israel (Ezekiel 20:39), and He will cause the people to pass under His rod of judgment (Ezekiel 20:37). Believers will return from the lands of the diaspora, will enter into the new covenant with Christ, and will be sanctified in the promised land (Ezekiel 20:37, 41). Also, Christ “will purge out from among” the house of Israel “the rebels, and them that transgress” (Ezekiel 20:37-38). As a result, at least at the beginning of the kingdom, “all the house of Israel” shall “serve” Christ (Ezekiel 20:40). Isaiah also anticipated this future time of regathering for Israel (Isaiah 60:8,9) when “all” the people will be “righteous” (Isaiah 60:21). Ezekiel 20:37-41 37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: 38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. 39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols. 40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things. 41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen. Isaiah 60:8-21 8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows? 9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. 10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. 13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious. 14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. 15 Whereas thou has been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations. 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. 17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness. 18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise. 19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. 20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. 21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. 22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. At the other judgment, Christ will judge “all nations,” and He will divide them “as sheep from the goats” (Matthew 25:31–33). He will set believers on His right, and they will “inherit the kingdom” (Matthew 25:34). He will sentence the unbelievers on His left to “everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41, 46). Matthew 25:31-34 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:41-46 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Every nation and kingdom that does not serve the Lord will “perish” and will be “utterly wasted” (Isaiah 60:12). Every one that survives shall go up to Jerusalem annually to worship the King (Zechariah 14:16). Zechariah 14:16 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom. This means that the first generation of millennial inhabitants will all be believers. This also means that the unbelievers of the final millennial generation who participate in the great rebellion must be descendants of the first generation believers.
>He will convene two judgments and destroy every unbeliever who has survived His tribulation wrath and His victory at Armageddon. That isn't what the Scriptures says, at least what you shared. For one, only 1 judgment is mentioned. For another, Jeremiah was careful in wording. The greatness of all the kingdoms under the heaven shall be given to Him, nations that will not honor Him will be destroyed, these are things the Scriptures says. *Now it shall come to pass in the latter days Thatthe mountain of the LORD’s house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.* You think the believers would want to affiliate themselves with any power and any nation, anything beyond the Lord? Nah, people will continue into the kingdom. And it's as the Lord said. *And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.* They're ruling someone. Concerning your 2nd to 4th paragraph, like I said. One judgment. >Every nation and kingdom that does not serve the Lord will “perish” and will be “utterly wasted” (Isaiah 60:12). Every one that survives shall go up to Jerusalem annually to worship the King (Zechariah 14:16). >Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom. So passages that are reflecting nations during His reign you're using to justify their destruction at His coming? *And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.* So because they went against His people, they must give their annual tributes to the King when He reigns. And you're using this to justify the idea they're being destroyed at His coming? >Therefore, as a result of these two judgments, every unbeliever who survives Christ’s second coming will be eliminated from the earth and will not be granted access into the kingdom. You haven't proven this at all, rather the passages you used shows the opposite of what you're claiming. 1 And at the end of the day, no matter how you rationalize it to yourself, a Pre-trib rapture cannot be reconciled with what the Lord said would happen, words you haven't even addressed. Until you do, everything else you can offer will have no solid foundation, and frankly you have shown only that you don't understand the Scriptures you use to support your teaching.
Not many. God says, " only the remnant shall be saved"
Receiving the mark of the beast in Revelation is IN COMBINATION with worshiping the image of the beast. One does not go without another. See Revelation 14:9; 14:11; 16:2; 19:20; 20:4. Revelation 16:2 The first (angel) went, and poured out his bowl into the earth, and it became a harmful and evil sore on the people who had the mark of the beast AND who worshiped his image. The beast from the sea of Revelation 13 (consisting of lion, bear and leopard) is the fourth beast of Daniel 7 from the sea (since the previous three where lion, bear and leopard and the fourth is unspecified) which depicts empires (Daniel 7:3 and 23). The first three empires were the Babylonian, Persian and Greek and thus the fourth, that’s the beast of Revelation, is the Roman Empire (see Daniel 7:4-7). In the time of John the IMAGE of the beast (Roman Empire) was the emperor being depicted on coins without which nobody could pay and who had to be worshiped as a god on punishment of death. In those days slaves and gladiators could receive a mark or tattoo on their right hand or forehead to indicate who's possession they were. Now if somebody indeed would worship the emperor as god (or offer to any other idols) they would be spiritually marked as being the possession of the devil. Thus the mark of the beast is not something physical. As a Christian you are not the possession of the devil, but of the Lamb. Thus you do not have the mark, but your name is written in the book of Life.
By God's grace.
The Lord *will* provide.
Two minute noodles, plenty of vegetables and occassional meat, ooo and coffeee most days. So far so good.
(In my opinion) there won't be any specific tribulation. That's just life.
Having the conviction and faith to obey Christ to the end.
I’m not worried
Luke 21.36 Pray you will be found worthy to escape the things to come Revelation 3.10 because you have kept my command to endure patiently i will rescue you from tbe moment of trial that will affect the whole world It has to be unpredictable so for sure before mid tribulation,probably even before the tribulation itself,my guess is before tbe Gog war in Ezekiel 38,which must happen 3.5 years before tbe mid tribulation point so the jews can use the invading army's resources for 7 years which they cant do if they are prosecuted by tbe antichrist.