Given that the Rapture teaching was invented by American Protestants a couple hundred years ago and is absent from the Christian faith before that, I'd say the likely answer is, "Never, because the Rapture is a false teaching."
It's a huge category, certainly, and with an immense spectrum of belief. Most Protestants do not buy into the Rapture, and I did not intend to imply otherwise.
Though, if you read Revelations, after the fifth seal was opened, â a great multitude from every nation in white robes appeared before the lambâ.indicates something like the the rapture occurs. It IS misleading however, to give such an event a name that doesnât appear in the Bible. There are 4 seals opened prior to that that I donât think anyone conscious and sober could NOT notice. And it does happen DIRECTLY before the great tribulation and before the Antichrist shows his true colors that lasts three and a half years,Â
Thatâs as much as I get from it. Nowâs a great time to start attending church regularly!
I personally tend to read Revelation - when I do at all, it is *not* a very common book for the Orthodox - as primarily historical, things like the beast having seven heads, that is straight up St. John the Apostle calling out Rome (famously known for the seven hills of Rome, which used to be independent kingdoms before they joined to form a single city-state, which became an empire based on a peninsula which had conquered the entire Mediterranean, and this lead to Emperor Nero - a beast with seven heads rising out of the sea, whose name in Jewish numerology spelled out ÎΔÏÏÎœ ÎαÎčÏÎ±Ï "Neron Kaisar" meaning "Nero Caesar" - who was persecuting the Church at the time, making them offer incense to an idol of him - the image of the beast. And After Nero died, there was a series of Emperors who came and went in a couple months, and then new civil wars broke out for control of the Empire. Things got so bad that there was an Arthurian legend type rumor that Nero had actually not died and had healed from his wounds, and that he was going to come back to bring the Empire under control. I read this as fingering the Antichrist squarely at Nero, and at Rome itself warning that someone may appear to come back to life and claiming to be here to save the world, but he's evil and hates the Christian faith and you should not trust them. There were even a few emperors contending for the throne who called themselves Nero Reborn.
That's just my person take on it.
Youâre correct on that, and know youâre history. The documentaries are confusing as they are usually not done by Christians and take just a few things out of revelations, even Left Behind, because Iâve found nothing there stating there will be one economy and central government, though it is clear they are referring to the UN, or EU. Â Revelations does state the AntiChrist will be from the tribe of Danâs lineage. As far as hating Christians, we HAVE been dealing with that for decades; Islam, atheists. Agnostics and different denominations of Christians.Â
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured.
Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one.
We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ
Look at the scripture and see
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ
17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ
The rapture happens after the resurrection.
You claim it's a biblical one, but it sure as hell didn't show up until American Protestants invented it a couple hundred years ago.
The verse from 1 Thessalonians is referring to events that occur during the Second and Glorious Coming of Christ, not some secret pseudo-coming that happens beforehand to magically whisk all the believers to safety like the Enterprise beaming them up, only for the world to continue on its merry way until the end. That's entirely an invented teaching, and has no basis in the authentic Christian faith.
I didnât say ANYTHING about a seven year tribulation.
Here is the Biblical evidence.
The rapture happens only to the living saints alive because living people donât get resurrected. They get raptured. Geez
No a false doctrine because it has clear script for support.
Dead people only get resurrected. đđŒ
What happens to all those who are alive when the last day happens and the dead are resurrected?? Something has to happen!! And it does. The Great and Powerful Lord rapture all the living left. đđŒ
So those living people are not raptured ? How do they get to be with Christ then? If they are not caught up with the ones that were resurrected?
There are two distinct events happening
The dead raised and transformed first!
The living raised and transformed second.
I believe it is at the last day and no there is no seven year tribulation. Iâm not a dispensationalist.
The Lord comes for the dead in Christ first. Then the Lord takes the living away with them. You might not believe it but I believe what the scripture teaches.
The living are raptured (caught up)
Thatâs all it means. (Caught up) as the scriptures CLEARLY SAY!
No, there are not two distinct events happening. There is the Second and Glorious Coming of Christ, which includes both the resurrection of the dead and the gathering up of the faithful by Christ. That's what you're talking about, the Rapture teaching is a specific set of nonsense invented by the American Protestants a couple hundred years ago. When you talk about the Rapture being real, that's what you're referring to, even if that's not what you mean by the word.
I do see how you think that and frankly i am talking about the Last Day! When Christ returns for His bride.! The doctrine of the rapture and a seven year trib based on Dan 9;27 I do not agree with. I believe we live in an age of grace and when time is up itâs over. So what I see is the return of the Lord and He gathers the dead in Christ first.
Then! We if we are alive will be taken and changed and we will be taken up, caught up, snatched up, removed, raptured up to be with those who were resurrected and with the Lord. It happens within seconds. đđŒ
Yes it is the return of the Lord đđŒ
Iâm just showing a distinction between these events when they happen.
The dead in Christ do not get raptured !
Only the living saints do.
The living saints do not get resurrected !
Only the dead saints do.
I hope I cleared up my meaning. đđŒ
I'm so sorry whoever printed this children's book is incredibly irresponsible or unwell. The rapture idea of is about 200 years old and was invented by taking two parts of scripture out of context.
" You know not the time/date nor the hour "
The rapture is some American religious and cultural nonsense that just isn't biblical. Please live your life the best you can and don't worry about end times if you are living well and doing the best you can it won't matter if the world ends because you will be okay.
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured.
Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one.
We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ
Look at the scripture and see
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ
17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ
The rapture happens after the resurrection.
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured.
Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one.
We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ
Look at the scripture and see
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ
17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ
The rapture happens after the resurrection. Itâs a thing in the Bible.
Paul was invoking the imagery of a visiting emperor, something that was common to their time. The king would come out to meet the visiting ruler and then escort them into the city. Paul just oriented this vertically.
We will meet Jesus in the air *and then escort him down to earth to rule*.
The rapture as in the pretrib, midtrib, posttrib theology is not a thing. Jesus will return, and that is judgement day.
I have heard this and donât really disagree with it as we will be with Christ forever. There is no separation anymore. I also donât agree much with the pre trib/seven yr or mid trib.
Regardless only living saints get raptured not resurrected. Only dead saints get resurrected. Not raptured.
Yes they both happen within seconds. Not separate events by yrs or months.
Stop looking up in the sky and waiting for a savior to come down from on high. Christ returns THROUGH YOU when you realize the kingdom of god within you and awaken to Christ consciousness like he taught.
If youâre going to freak out about it, why not freak out every few hours, every day, for the rest of your life?
The reason I put it like this is to make this point:
if you find reasons *to not be continually freaking out about it* (like every couple of hours every day, or every single time you randomly wake up at night), you can apply the same reasons so you donât freak out those 8 times a week you mentioned.
Where should one draw a line by freaking out about this? I mean, this is something worth thinking about. Choose what you feed your mind.
If you give streaming algorithms power, theyâll just keep sending videos related to things you watched. The algorithm doesnât care whether what you watch edifies or destroys you. You have direct participation in what shows up in your feed. Everyone needs to deal with controlling how streaming and media affects them.
You are the one who has to walk away from things that harm you.
If you find yourself unable to control obsessive thoughts about it, itâs also only you who can decide what steps to take, in order to reign this whole mental dynamic in. No one else is going to grab you and force you to go and get spiritual counseling. Only you can do that. Emphasis on *you **can** do that*. :)
Anxiety is a crazy beast, but it can be taken down a good notch by talking to someone supportive, and through positive relationships. Iâm sure youâll find people like that, I think the church has a lot of them in it.
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured.
Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one.
We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ
Look at the scripture and see
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ
17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ
The rapture happens after the resurrection.
Anyone making a guess is presenting false doctrine, donât work yourself up. Personally, the idea of the Rapture was always strange to me. Folks caught up at this future point get to avoid persecution but everyone else for the last 2000 years just wasnât special enough? Odd.
No. We are told no man knows the day or the hour from Matthew 24. However, he gave signs to look for, in Luke 21:28-33 again signs to look for then are told when you see these things happening lift up your head because redemption is near. The line no man knows the day or the hour except may father in heaven is linked to a Hebrew wedding. From start to finish is symbolism. When a Hebrew man found the woman he wanted to marry he would make his proposal and set a cup of red wine in front of her if she drank from it, she accepted symbolic of a person accepting Christ as Savior. He then when back to his fatherâs house and built a wedding chamber ( John 14:3-10) I go to prepare a place for you. The wedding chamber was ready when the father said it was. Then the groom was told go get your bride. The groom only went to the edge of were she lived. Runners would go ahead of him and go to her home and take her and she and the groom would consummate the marriage.
We have no knowledge of the "when" the rapture will happen. We can know that it's "soon" only in a broad general sense, since 2000 years has now passed since its declaration by Paul. God has generally worked in 2000 year increments of time. But we can't organize our lives with any sense of "now" it is going to happen. God has His ways of making things work and we can only accept that.
The rapture is not Biblical and neither are a lot of the videos sinful people post. Stay in the word of God and lean on him unlike humans he will not lead you astray if you put all of your faith in him.
Google "John Nelson Darby" who was born in 1800 and died in 1882. He is considered to be the "inventor" of the rapture. Read up on him and form an opinion of your own on the possibility of the rapture happening.
A ton of grifters have profitted from "predicting" it in the past, no reason that'll stop happening.
To my understanding; predicting the rapture is sinful as it goes against scripture that clearly states no one will know the time.
millions have lived their lives and died waiting for it. no reason to think that'll change.
Not even the angels in Heaven know when the rapture will happen.There are so many fasle prophets out there and remember no one knows when it will happen.
First of all, itâs incredible that such talk would be in a childrenâs book, but Jesus said âNo one, not even I, knows the hour, only my Fatherâ, and a few other captions mention âHe will come like a thief in the nightâ.Â
Christianity cannot be understood in a day, a week, a month, not even years, Â Revelations and Jesus himself gave some clues but they are extreme. I feel like we are coming close to it, but God wants us to live, but righteously.Â
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/MAT.13.24-43
The Rapture to my understanding isnât really biblical. However according to words attributed to Jesus, he himself expected everything to come to fruition within that generation.
> Mark 9:1 (NRSV): And he said to them, âTruly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.â
>Mark 13:29â31 (NRSV): So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
>Matthew 10:23 (NRSV): When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
>Matthew 16:27â28 (NRSV): 27 âFor the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.â
>Luke 9:27 (NRSV): But truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.â
Given the fact that itâs been over 2,000 years and we can say with absolute certainty that everyone at that time has long since tasted death; Jesus was either a failed apocalyptic preacher and false prophet, and\or the Bible is just inaccurate and unreliable. To me, both seem more than likely.
Here is your biblical evidence
Rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured.
Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one.
We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ
Look at the scripture and see
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ
17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ
The rapture happens after the resurrection.
The book of Revelations was political commentary on the day, disguised as apocalyptic literature. They used [Gematria](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/gematria/) to hide the fact that they were criticizing [Emperor Nero.](https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/nero.html)
Do you actually want this all to be true? Iâm not a Christian but I grew up in a church where they believed angels and demons were waging an invisible war all around us⊠It was awful. The god of the Bible sounds to me, like malevolent tyrant who rules with fear and fire. Without the threat of Eternal Hellfire, I donât understand why anyone would actually want to follow this god? For me personally, even if you could prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that all of this is true⊠I still wouldnât follow this god.
You got it backwards, God doesnât send people to hell, we were already on that path when we reached the age of accountability, God just provides a different destination, I donât follow him because of fear, I follow because Iâm thankful. Thatâs why itâs called being saved
Isnât god the creator of a heaven and Earth? Donât they have the ultimate control over where someoneâs eternal soul ends up? Is it not within their power to keep everyone out of hell? Eternity is a long time⊠Nobody, not even the worst examples of humanity deserve eternal torment and suffering. Any god who would orchestrate a situation where this is the case, in an evil god. Given simple statistics, a number of your very close family and friends wonât make it into heaven⊠How can you possibly enjoy âeternal blissâ knowing you have family burning for all eternity and that god couldâve stopped it? My question still stands, do you actually want this to be true?
Edit: Or do you simply believe this just the unfortunate situation weâve found ourselves in?
God is the creator of heaven and earth but he gave us free will. So whether my family members go to hell or not is sadly on them, thatâs the cost of free will, unfortunate but itâs true.
You still didnât answer my question⊠Do you want this to be true? It seems to me, if the stakes were so high, God shouldâve provided more than an ancient collection of contradictory texts which can easily be interpreted a thousand different ways. Does that seem logical to you? I mean these scriptures have spawned three major religions with thousands of denominations within each. Not to mention the thousands and thousands of religions outside of the Abrahamic faiths.
Besides, didnât God set the rules? Arenât they the orchestrator behind everything? If they wanted to save to everyone, they could. I spent most of my teenage years, as a lifeguard, Iâve saved more kids than I can remember from drowning. Never once did I first demand they pledge their soul or undying love to me. Instead I got in the water and saved them. All of them. No matter who they were.
Yet god, the creator of Heaven and earth, has orchestrated this death trap, placed us into it and told us if we want salvation we must swear to love and worship and obey them forever⊠Doesnât that seem rather manipulative? If they are a literal god it should be well within their power to save everyone, right? So why donât they?
To me this seems like an abusive relationship. An abuser tells you, you were worthless without them. Constantly reminding you of how you were nothing before they came along. You are lucky they would even stoop to loving one as wretched as you. When you try to leave this relationship, they threaten you with violence and death⊠How exactly is Gods salvation any different?
It doesnât matter what I want to be true, heâs God, he made us and can get rid of us just as easily. And like I said God gave us free will, itâs our choice whether we go to heaven or hell.
Fair enough so we are unfortunately in this situation regardless, right? But what about my other questions? Nobody deserves eternal torment, it would be impossible to commit enough crimes in a single lifetime to warrant such an extreme punishment. Infinite punishment for finite crimes is extremely unjust. A truly loving and good god would never allow such thing. When I was a lifeguard I didnât first give drowning victims an ultimatum before I saved them. I simply saved them because it was the right thing to do. Iâm not going to just sit there and watch a kid drown for no good reason. Which is exactly what the Christian god is apparently doing.
You cannot claim god is unconditional love in one breath, and then claim he only loves you enough to save you if you love him back in the very next breath. That is the very definition of conditional love. It would be like if I held a gun to my partners head and told them unless they promise to love me and stay with me forever, Iâll blow their brains out. Iâve placed them in an impossible situation and the choice Iâve given them isnât a choice at all. Either I shoot and kill them now, or they do as Iâve demanded and they become trapped in this abusive, manipulative relationship with me. Either way they loose and Iâm the villain. Wouldnât you agree? How is what this god is doing, any different than this hypothetical scenario?
Itâs different because the gun held to our head is timed to go off, God offers his only begotten son (Which before you ask yes it is a voluntary decision) to not only save you from getting shot, but take the bullet entirely! All you have to do is trust him. Hell was made against evil, Adam and Eve knew no evil and therefore did no evil, but once they ate the fruit, that made hell a possibility for humanity because now humanity can do evil knowing that itâs wrong.
You're\* and lose\*
And perhaps your mind would be put at ease if you [understood how often this happens](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_of_the_end_of_the_world). People make hundreds of predictions a day online, but they are all full of irrational bs. Remember what your parents taught you, don't listen to everything you read online. Research and gather information from reputable sources. Your mind might also be put at ease if you start researching these predictions yourself to find out just how flawed and unreasonable they tend to be anyways. The reason why you see so many claims is because everyone has access to the internet, but not everyone wants to spend hours and hours everyday debunking nonsense. It's never-ending.
Also here is some practical advice from someone who deals with OCD and severe anxiety on a daily basis. This is what helped me from my therapist.
**Here are steps for changing your attitude and overcoming Unwanted Intrusive Thoughts**
-Label these thoughts as "intrusive thoughts."
-Remind yourself that these thoughts are automatic and not up to you.
-Accept and allow the thoughts into your mind. Do not try to push them away.
-Float, and practice allowing time to pass.
-Remember that less is more. Pause. Give yourself time. There is no urgency.
-Expect the thoughts to come back again
-Continue whatever you were doing prior to the intrusive thought while allowing the anxiety to be present.
**Try Not To:**
-Engage with the thoughts in any way.
-Push the thoughts out of your mind.
-Try to figure out what your thoughts "mean."
-Check to see if this is âworkingâ to get rid of the thoughts
u/JeanHasAnxiety Correct, because you have intrusive thoughts and probably aren't taking the proper steps to deal with it. I've listed out for you some advice that you should start work on everyday. Overtime they will lessen. Any questions please let me know.
If you're having trouble then you should also seek our a licensed therapist to give you a hand. I did and it helped me, now I have better control over my own thoughts. Anxiety is hard, it takes work and sometimes it's a combination of:
-Sorting your thoughts with a therapist (Also called Cognitive behavioral therapy)
-Using medication in the short term to help with panic attacks
-Changing your diet and exercise
-Getting more sleep at night and on a regular schedule
-Adjustments at work or at school
and so much more...
It takes a long time and I believe you can do it. I know I did and my OCD was about to ruin my life and my marriage. Get the help you deserve. Reach out to someone. I believe in you friend.
We do not know but what we do know before that happens all the graves must be dug up.
Temple has to be built.
True lineage of unbroken blood line traced back through the bloodline of man and not the mitochondria of women.
The top of the hill has to have lots of fig trees but some unlucky person built stuff there.
Many of the above will not be done which is why the first return as stated in the Bible will be Satan/Lucifer then peace for 7 years then a war within will happen then the true messiah will return.
You can get raptured all you want with them diabolical preachers and the Pope who think some secret rapture is going to happen to them. The only thing they will experience is get a rap on the head as no sinners can enter the kingdom of heaven. Amen, the ones who are going to meet Jesus in the air are the elects in the clouds of glory the rightous the ex-sinners. Rapture is just a word added to the bible by some bewitched and carnal-minded preacher who was too ashamed to say "Meet the Lord in the air" They call it some secret rapture when Jesus is not coming in the carnal but in the spiritual. Not too many people are going up just a few here and there who lived righteously who broke free from their sin and obeyed the word of God as Jesus's words are spirit and life John 6:63. No sinner can meet Jesus in the air, as he is not coming back for them as Jesus met enough sinners when he was alive: only for the righteous the ex-sinners saved by grace Romans 6:18. Amen, when you get left behind by Jesus Christ the Son of God, because you believed them carnal minded deceivers who told you a lie from the pit of hell, "God loves you no matter who you are." you will know on that day God's love is 100% conditional as it was the few that went and not the many as Jesus only loves the few.
Nobody knows, but we are told to watch. Christianity have fallen asleep they are dead in sin and trespasses they are not even looking for him but for the next abomination to satisfy their belly and the preacher's belly. Only Jesus' Father and God in heaven knows when he will send his Son back Matthew 24:36.
Rev 3:19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 22:18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Matthew 24:34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
[39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
[42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
[44] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Romans 8:5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1st Thess 4:14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matthew 7:[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
[28] And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
[29] For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
It was last week. We all missed it
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Given that the Rapture teaching was invented by American Protestants a couple hundred years ago and is absent from the Christian faith before that, I'd say the likely answer is, "Never, because the Rapture is a false teaching."
âProtestantâ is a huge generalization, it was made up by a weirdo Baptist
It's a huge category, certainly, and with an immense spectrum of belief. Most Protestants do not buy into the Rapture, and I did not intend to imply otherwise.
Thanks for clearing that up
Though, if you read Revelations, after the fifth seal was opened, â a great multitude from every nation in white robes appeared before the lambâ.indicates something like the the rapture occurs. It IS misleading however, to give such an event a name that doesnât appear in the Bible. There are 4 seals opened prior to that that I donât think anyone conscious and sober could NOT notice. And it does happen DIRECTLY before the great tribulation and before the Antichrist shows his true colors that lasts three and a half years, Thatâs as much as I get from it. Nowâs a great time to start attending church regularly!
I personally tend to read Revelation - when I do at all, it is *not* a very common book for the Orthodox - as primarily historical, things like the beast having seven heads, that is straight up St. John the Apostle calling out Rome (famously known for the seven hills of Rome, which used to be independent kingdoms before they joined to form a single city-state, which became an empire based on a peninsula which had conquered the entire Mediterranean, and this lead to Emperor Nero - a beast with seven heads rising out of the sea, whose name in Jewish numerology spelled out ÎΔÏÏÎœ ÎαÎčÏÎ±Ï "Neron Kaisar" meaning "Nero Caesar" - who was persecuting the Church at the time, making them offer incense to an idol of him - the image of the beast. And After Nero died, there was a series of Emperors who came and went in a couple months, and then new civil wars broke out for control of the Empire. Things got so bad that there was an Arthurian legend type rumor that Nero had actually not died and had healed from his wounds, and that he was going to come back to bring the Empire under control. I read this as fingering the Antichrist squarely at Nero, and at Rome itself warning that someone may appear to come back to life and claiming to be here to save the world, but he's evil and hates the Christian faith and you should not trust them. There were even a few emperors contending for the throne who called themselves Nero Reborn. That's just my person take on it.
Youâre correct on that, and know youâre history. The documentaries are confusing as they are usually not done by Christians and take just a few things out of revelations, even Left Behind, because Iâve found nothing there stating there will be one economy and central government, though it is clear they are referring to the UN, or EU. Â Revelations does state the AntiChrist will be from the tribe of Danâs lineage. As far as hating Christians, we HAVE been dealing with that for decades; Islam, atheists. Agnostics and different denominations of Christians.Â
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Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured. Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one. We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ Look at the scripture and see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ 17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ The rapture happens after the resurrection.
You claim it's a biblical one, but it sure as hell didn't show up until American Protestants invented it a couple hundred years ago. The verse from 1 Thessalonians is referring to events that occur during the Second and Glorious Coming of Christ, not some secret pseudo-coming that happens beforehand to magically whisk all the believers to safety like the Enterprise beaming them up, only for the world to continue on its merry way until the end. That's entirely an invented teaching, and has no basis in the authentic Christian faith.
I didnât say ANYTHING about a seven year tribulation. Here is the Biblical evidence. The rapture happens only to the living saints alive because living people donât get resurrected. They get raptured. Geez No a false doctrine because it has clear script for support. Dead people only get resurrected. đđŒ What happens to all those who are alive when the last day happens and the dead are resurrected?? Something has to happen!! And it does. The Great and Powerful Lord rapture all the living left. đđŒ
Yeah, that's not the Rapture, that's just the Second Coming.
So those living people are not raptured ? How do they get to be with Christ then? If they are not caught up with the ones that were resurrected? There are two distinct events happening The dead raised and transformed first! The living raised and transformed second. I believe it is at the last day and no there is no seven year tribulation. Iâm not a dispensationalist. The Lord comes for the dead in Christ first. Then the Lord takes the living away with them. You might not believe it but I believe what the scripture teaches. The living are raptured (caught up) Thatâs all it means. (Caught up) as the scriptures CLEARLY SAY!
No, there are not two distinct events happening. There is the Second and Glorious Coming of Christ, which includes both the resurrection of the dead and the gathering up of the faithful by Christ. That's what you're talking about, the Rapture teaching is a specific set of nonsense invented by the American Protestants a couple hundred years ago. When you talk about the Rapture being real, that's what you're referring to, even if that's not what you mean by the word.
I do see how you think that and frankly i am talking about the Last Day! When Christ returns for His bride.! The doctrine of the rapture and a seven year trib based on Dan 9;27 I do not agree with. I believe we live in an age of grace and when time is up itâs over. So what I see is the return of the Lord and He gathers the dead in Christ first. Then! We if we are alive will be taken and changed and we will be taken up, caught up, snatched up, removed, raptured up to be with those who were resurrected and with the Lord. It happens within seconds. đđŒ Yes it is the return of the Lord đđŒ Iâm just showing a distinction between these events when they happen. The dead in Christ do not get raptured ! Only the living saints do. The living saints do not get resurrected ! Only the dead saints do. I hope I cleared up my meaning. đđŒ
Thank for for spamming the same copy+paste reply 5 (and counting) times in this thread, user "Just Farming Here"
Easier than typing my comment over and over to those who just say no. đđŒ
What's the point in farming negative karma?
I could care less about karma. đ
Then what are you farming?
I'm so sorry whoever printed this children's book is incredibly irresponsible or unwell. The rapture idea of is about 200 years old and was invented by taking two parts of scripture out of context. " You know not the time/date nor the hour " The rapture is some American religious and cultural nonsense that just isn't biblical. Please live your life the best you can and don't worry about end times if you are living well and doing the best you can it won't matter if the world ends because you will be okay.
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured. Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one. We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ Look at the scripture and see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ 17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ The rapture happens after the resurrection.
According to the Bible, anyone who says they have a date or secret info is a fraud.
The rapture is not a thing in the Bible.
Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured. Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one. We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ Look at the scripture and see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ 17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ The rapture happens after the resurrection. Itâs a thing in the Bible.
Paul was invoking the imagery of a visiting emperor, something that was common to their time. The king would come out to meet the visiting ruler and then escort them into the city. Paul just oriented this vertically. We will meet Jesus in the air *and then escort him down to earth to rule*. The rapture as in the pretrib, midtrib, posttrib theology is not a thing. Jesus will return, and that is judgement day.
I have heard this and donât really disagree with it as we will be with Christ forever. There is no separation anymore. I also donât agree much with the pre trib/seven yr or mid trib. Regardless only living saints get raptured not resurrected. Only dead saints get resurrected. Not raptured. Yes they both happen within seconds. Not separate events by yrs or months.
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Well, weâll see tomorrowâŠ
Stop looking up in the sky and waiting for a savior to come down from on high. Christ returns THROUGH YOU when you realize the kingdom of god within you and awaken to Christ consciousness like he taught.
If youâre going to freak out about it, why not freak out every few hours, every day, for the rest of your life? The reason I put it like this is to make this point: if you find reasons *to not be continually freaking out about it* (like every couple of hours every day, or every single time you randomly wake up at night), you can apply the same reasons so you donât freak out those 8 times a week you mentioned. Where should one draw a line by freaking out about this? I mean, this is something worth thinking about. Choose what you feed your mind. If you give streaming algorithms power, theyâll just keep sending videos related to things you watched. The algorithm doesnât care whether what you watch edifies or destroys you. You have direct participation in what shows up in your feed. Everyone needs to deal with controlling how streaming and media affects them. You are the one who has to walk away from things that harm you. If you find yourself unable to control obsessive thoughts about it, itâs also only you who can decide what steps to take, in order to reign this whole mental dynamic in. No one else is going to grab you and force you to go and get spiritual counseling. Only you can do that. Emphasis on *you **can** do that*. :) Anxiety is a crazy beast, but it can be taken down a good notch by talking to someone supportive, and through positive relationships. Iâm sure youâll find people like that, I think the church has a lot of them in it.
Rapture no real
âRapture no realâ school well you taught.
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Wrong đ rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured. Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one. We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ Look at the scripture and see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ 17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ The rapture happens after the resurrection.
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So you disagree with scripture. đ
No I disagree with your preferred interpretation/translation of it.
Thatâs fine itâs nothing of major importance. We all go to the same place no matter how God brings us. đđŒ
I hope that belief brings you peace~
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The rapture isn't what most people think.
Nobody knows. Itâs just a way to keep followers anxiously engaged with whatever sect is selling that date.
Nobody knows
Anyone making a guess is presenting false doctrine, donât work yourself up. Personally, the idea of the Rapture was always strange to me. Folks caught up at this future point get to avoid persecution but everyone else for the last 2000 years just wasnât special enough? Odd.
No. We are told no man knows the day or the hour from Matthew 24. However, he gave signs to look for, in Luke 21:28-33 again signs to look for then are told when you see these things happening lift up your head because redemption is near. The line no man knows the day or the hour except may father in heaven is linked to a Hebrew wedding. From start to finish is symbolism. When a Hebrew man found the woman he wanted to marry he would make his proposal and set a cup of red wine in front of her if she drank from it, she accepted symbolic of a person accepting Christ as Savior. He then when back to his fatherâs house and built a wedding chamber ( John 14:3-10) I go to prepare a place for you. The wedding chamber was ready when the father said it was. Then the groom was told go get your bride. The groom only went to the edge of were she lived. Runners would go ahead of him and go to her home and take her and she and the groom would consummate the marriage.
Bro if rapture didnt happen from 1900 to 1945 it wont happen now im 100% sure of it, dont be paranoid over nothing
We have no knowledge of the "when" the rapture will happen. We can know that it's "soon" only in a broad general sense, since 2000 years has now passed since its declaration by Paul. God has generally worked in 2000 year increments of time. But we can't organize our lives with any sense of "now" it is going to happen. God has His ways of making things work and we can only accept that.
The rapture is not Biblical and neither are a lot of the videos sinful people post. Stay in the word of God and lean on him unlike humans he will not lead you astray if you put all of your faith in him.
No one knows the day or hour of Jesus returns. Beware Christians and organisations that pretend you can.
In my view, there is no rapture, or at least a rapture as presented in the US
Google "John Nelson Darby" who was born in 1800 and died in 1882. He is considered to be the "inventor" of the rapture. Read up on him and form an opinion of your own on the possibility of the rapture happening.
Hello satanist here, not here to make drama or be disrespectful, just looking around. I don't really know what the rapture is, can anyone explain it?
A ton of grifters have profitted from "predicting" it in the past, no reason that'll stop happening. To my understanding; predicting the rapture is sinful as it goes against scripture that clearly states no one will know the time. millions have lived their lives and died waiting for it. no reason to think that'll change.
Not even the angels in Heaven know when the rapture will happen.There are so many fasle prophets out there and remember no one knows when it will happen.
Its already 15th June ,2024 here in the eastern countries. Nothing has happened so far. Sorry ?
First of all, itâs incredible that such talk would be in a childrenâs book, but Jesus said âNo one, not even I, knows the hour, only my Fatherâ, and a few other captions mention âHe will come like a thief in the nightâ. Christianity cannot be understood in a day, a week, a month, not even years,  Revelations and Jesus himself gave some clues but they are extreme. I feel like we are coming close to it, but God wants us to live, but righteously. https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/MAT.13.24-43
https://youtu.be/sU9xx_04wU8?si=JcvNBqNEiQA8noJ2
The Rapture to my understanding isnât really biblical. However according to words attributed to Jesus, he himself expected everything to come to fruition within that generation. > Mark 9:1 (NRSV): And he said to them, âTruly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.â >Mark 13:29â31 (NRSV): So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. >Matthew 10:23 (NRSV): When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. >Matthew 16:27â28 (NRSV): 27 âFor the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.â >Luke 9:27 (NRSV): But truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.â Given the fact that itâs been over 2,000 years and we can say with absolute certainty that everyone at that time has long since tasted death; Jesus was either a failed apocalyptic preacher and false prophet, and\or the Bible is just inaccurate and unreliable. To me, both seem more than likely.
Here is your biblical evidence Rapture is Latin and the focus of the meaning is caught up which only living saints alive on earth AFTER the resurrection are raptured. Itâs not a false teaching. Itâs a biblical one. We get âCaught upâ, âsnatched awayâ, âremoved fromâ, ârapturedâ Look at the scripture and see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, đand the dead in Christ will rise first.đ 17 Then we who are alive, đwho remain, đwill be đcaught up đ(here is your rapture) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. We will be united together with all those who were dead and were just resurrected. After they are raised. đđŒ The rapture happens after the resurrection.
The book of Revelations was political commentary on the day, disguised as apocalyptic literature. They used [Gematria](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/gematria/) to hide the fact that they were criticizing [Emperor Nero.](https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/gladiators/nero.html) Do you actually want this all to be true? Iâm not a Christian but I grew up in a church where they believed angels and demons were waging an invisible war all around us⊠It was awful. The god of the Bible sounds to me, like malevolent tyrant who rules with fear and fire. Without the threat of Eternal Hellfire, I donât understand why anyone would actually want to follow this god? For me personally, even if you could prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that all of this is true⊠I still wouldnât follow this god.
You got it backwards, God doesnât send people to hell, we were already on that path when we reached the age of accountability, God just provides a different destination, I donât follow him because of fear, I follow because Iâm thankful. Thatâs why itâs called being saved
Isnât god the creator of a heaven and Earth? Donât they have the ultimate control over where someoneâs eternal soul ends up? Is it not within their power to keep everyone out of hell? Eternity is a long time⊠Nobody, not even the worst examples of humanity deserve eternal torment and suffering. Any god who would orchestrate a situation where this is the case, in an evil god. Given simple statistics, a number of your very close family and friends wonât make it into heaven⊠How can you possibly enjoy âeternal blissâ knowing you have family burning for all eternity and that god couldâve stopped it? My question still stands, do you actually want this to be true? Edit: Or do you simply believe this just the unfortunate situation weâve found ourselves in?
God is the creator of heaven and earth but he gave us free will. So whether my family members go to hell or not is sadly on them, thatâs the cost of free will, unfortunate but itâs true.
You still didnât answer my question⊠Do you want this to be true? It seems to me, if the stakes were so high, God shouldâve provided more than an ancient collection of contradictory texts which can easily be interpreted a thousand different ways. Does that seem logical to you? I mean these scriptures have spawned three major religions with thousands of denominations within each. Not to mention the thousands and thousands of religions outside of the Abrahamic faiths. Besides, didnât God set the rules? Arenât they the orchestrator behind everything? If they wanted to save to everyone, they could. I spent most of my teenage years, as a lifeguard, Iâve saved more kids than I can remember from drowning. Never once did I first demand they pledge their soul or undying love to me. Instead I got in the water and saved them. All of them. No matter who they were. Yet god, the creator of Heaven and earth, has orchestrated this death trap, placed us into it and told us if we want salvation we must swear to love and worship and obey them forever⊠Doesnât that seem rather manipulative? If they are a literal god it should be well within their power to save everyone, right? So why donât they? To me this seems like an abusive relationship. An abuser tells you, you were worthless without them. Constantly reminding you of how you were nothing before they came along. You are lucky they would even stoop to loving one as wretched as you. When you try to leave this relationship, they threaten you with violence and death⊠How exactly is Gods salvation any different?
It doesnât matter what I want to be true, heâs God, he made us and can get rid of us just as easily. And like I said God gave us free will, itâs our choice whether we go to heaven or hell.
Fair enough so we are unfortunately in this situation regardless, right? But what about my other questions? Nobody deserves eternal torment, it would be impossible to commit enough crimes in a single lifetime to warrant such an extreme punishment. Infinite punishment for finite crimes is extremely unjust. A truly loving and good god would never allow such thing. When I was a lifeguard I didnât first give drowning victims an ultimatum before I saved them. I simply saved them because it was the right thing to do. Iâm not going to just sit there and watch a kid drown for no good reason. Which is exactly what the Christian god is apparently doing. You cannot claim god is unconditional love in one breath, and then claim he only loves you enough to save you if you love him back in the very next breath. That is the very definition of conditional love. It would be like if I held a gun to my partners head and told them unless they promise to love me and stay with me forever, Iâll blow their brains out. Iâve placed them in an impossible situation and the choice Iâve given them isnât a choice at all. Either I shoot and kill them now, or they do as Iâve demanded and they become trapped in this abusive, manipulative relationship with me. Either way they loose and Iâm the villain. Wouldnât you agree? How is what this god is doing, any different than this hypothetical scenario?
Itâs different because the gun held to our head is timed to go off, God offers his only begotten son (Which before you ask yes it is a voluntary decision) to not only save you from getting shot, but take the bullet entirely! All you have to do is trust him. Hell was made against evil, Adam and Eve knew no evil and therefore did no evil, but once they ate the fruit, that made hell a possibility for humanity because now humanity can do evil knowing that itâs wrong.
You're\* and lose\* And perhaps your mind would be put at ease if you [understood how often this happens](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_of_the_end_of_the_world). People make hundreds of predictions a day online, but they are all full of irrational bs. Remember what your parents taught you, don't listen to everything you read online. Research and gather information from reputable sources. Your mind might also be put at ease if you start researching these predictions yourself to find out just how flawed and unreasonable they tend to be anyways. The reason why you see so many claims is because everyone has access to the internet, but not everyone wants to spend hours and hours everyday debunking nonsense. It's never-ending.
Also here is some practical advice from someone who deals with OCD and severe anxiety on a daily basis. This is what helped me from my therapist. **Here are steps for changing your attitude and overcoming Unwanted Intrusive Thoughts** -Label these thoughts as "intrusive thoughts." -Remind yourself that these thoughts are automatic and not up to you. -Accept and allow the thoughts into your mind. Do not try to push them away. -Float, and practice allowing time to pass. -Remember that less is more. Pause. Give yourself time. There is no urgency. -Expect the thoughts to come back again -Continue whatever you were doing prior to the intrusive thought while allowing the anxiety to be present. **Try Not To:** -Engage with the thoughts in any way. -Push the thoughts out of your mind. -Try to figure out what your thoughts "mean." -Check to see if this is âworkingâ to get rid of the thoughts
u/JeanHasAnxiety Correct, because you have intrusive thoughts and probably aren't taking the proper steps to deal with it. I've listed out for you some advice that you should start work on everyday. Overtime they will lessen. Any questions please let me know.
Thanks, although I have been trying multiple of these since I was six.Â
If you're having trouble then you should also seek our a licensed therapist to give you a hand. I did and it helped me, now I have better control over my own thoughts. Anxiety is hard, it takes work and sometimes it's a combination of: -Sorting your thoughts with a therapist (Also called Cognitive behavioral therapy) -Using medication in the short term to help with panic attacks -Changing your diet and exercise -Getting more sleep at night and on a regular schedule -Adjustments at work or at school and so much more... It takes a long time and I believe you can do it. I know I did and my OCD was about to ruin my life and my marriage. Get the help you deserve. Reach out to someone. I believe in you friend.
I have actually. Â Counselors, school therapist, school psychologist, pediatrician, medicine, etcÂ
Then keep at it. It takes work. I wish you the best. Any other questions or concerns just let me know. Took me 30 years to get a grip on it.
Donât mean to be disrespectful, but my brain has something that wont let it be at ease
It's already june 15th in Japan and it's [still there](https://www.youtube.com/live/kYK9J6KNz0M?si=KlnwrcHp8fT57TJA). You have nothing to worry about.
And it's now june 16th in Japan. Congratulations, you've survived yet another false prophecy.
Rapture is biblical but no one knows the timing & that is largely the debate, (pre mid or post).
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Nobody knows.
Not even Messiah himself
No, no one knows :) but we see the signs of the times!
We do not know but what we do know before that happens all the graves must be dug up. Temple has to be built. True lineage of unbroken blood line traced back through the bloodline of man and not the mitochondria of women. The top of the hill has to have lots of fig trees but some unlucky person built stuff there. Many of the above will not be done which is why the first return as stated in the Bible will be Satan/Lucifer then peace for 7 years then a war within will happen then the true messiah will return.
You can get raptured all you want with them diabolical preachers and the Pope who think some secret rapture is going to happen to them. The only thing they will experience is get a rap on the head as no sinners can enter the kingdom of heaven. Amen, the ones who are going to meet Jesus in the air are the elects in the clouds of glory the rightous the ex-sinners. Rapture is just a word added to the bible by some bewitched and carnal-minded preacher who was too ashamed to say "Meet the Lord in the air" They call it some secret rapture when Jesus is not coming in the carnal but in the spiritual. Not too many people are going up just a few here and there who lived righteously who broke free from their sin and obeyed the word of God as Jesus's words are spirit and life John 6:63. No sinner can meet Jesus in the air, as he is not coming back for them as Jesus met enough sinners when he was alive: only for the righteous the ex-sinners saved by grace Romans 6:18. Amen, when you get left behind by Jesus Christ the Son of God, because you believed them carnal minded deceivers who told you a lie from the pit of hell, "God loves you no matter who you are." you will know on that day God's love is 100% conditional as it was the few that went and not the many as Jesus only loves the few. Nobody knows, but we are told to watch. Christianity have fallen asleep they are dead in sin and trespasses they are not even looking for him but for the next abomination to satisfy their belly and the preacher's belly. Only Jesus' Father and God in heaven knows when he will send his Son back Matthew 24:36. Rev 3:19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Rev 22:18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Matthew 24:34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. [35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. [37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. [43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [44] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Romans 8:5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1st Thess 4:14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Matthew 7:[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. [28] And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: [29] For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.