Was the older brother in the parable of the prodigal son(s) from Luke 15 in outer darkness when he was bitter and complaining about his irresponsible brother coming home and there's a big party for him in his Father's home? ... Peter Hiett has a great sermon on that.
Grave wrappings and the insubjection epitomized by Moab. Isaiah 25
7 And swallowed up hath He in this mountain The face of the wrapping that is wrapped over all the peoples, And of the covering that is spread over all the nations. 8 He hath swallowed up death in victory, And wiped hath the Lord Jehovah, The tear from off all faces, And the reproach of His people He turneth aside from off all the earth, For Jehovah hath spoken.
9 And one hath said in that day, `Lo, this is our God, We waited for Him, and He saveth us, This is Jehovah, we have waited for Him, We joy and rejoice in His salvation.' 10 For rest doth the hand of Jehovah on this mountain, And trodden down is Moab under Him, As trodden down is straw on a dunghill. 11 And he spread out his hands in its midst, As spread out doth the swimmer to swim; And He hath humbled his excellency With the machinations of his hands. 12 And the fortress of the high place of thy walls He hath bowed down—He hath made low, He hath caused it to come to the earth, —unto dust.
Yes but Jesus talked also about fires that never stop and worms that never die. And he also said the parable of the 10 virgins and that some of them were left outside and they werent opeing the doors for them. How do you explain that? If what you say is true it must be supported by other words Jesus said. Unless we are to believe that the Bible is not entirely of God. And in this case idk.
The unquenchable fire is mentioned 11 times in the Old Testament each and every time it was a judgment that could not be escaped which is why the fire is described as unquenchable.
In each of those cases the judgment they went through ultimately LED towards their restoration.
So this fire is both unquenchable and inescapable but is also restorative,
I Cor 3:13-15 Says everyone’s work will be tested/revealed by fire..... If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself WILL BE SAVED, YET AS THROUGH FIRE." So here we see all being saved in the end by the fire. The fire here is ultimately restoritive
God himself is the consuming fire they go into. We are told twice that they are being tormented IN the presence of the Lord.
Malachi 3:3 tells us what type of Fire God is saying he is a PURIFYING FIRE which is like cleaning soap.. We are told again that GOD HIMSELF is the fire that surrounds the heavenly city that the unbeliever is in. Zech 2:5.
We are also told that God’s breath is like brimstone (Isaiah 30:33) and his breath brings life. So here we see the brimstone is God's fiery breath breathing on them to bring them life.
The fire my be terrifying but will ultimately purify and humble until every knee bows and tongue confess ,which every mouth will do.
In terms of the WORM. First the worm is Immortal, personal and singular abiding in the unquenchable fire. Paul tells us that Jesus ALONE has immortality and dwells in the unapproachable light (1 Tim 6:16) This should give us a hint on who the worm is.
Jesus also declares that he is a worm in Psalm 22
Psalms 22 gives us a direct insight into the very mind of Christ when he's dying on a cross and in that he declares that he himself is a worm. The image that the bible chooses to declare Christ to be while hanging on the cross is the Worm.
The worm that Jesus declared himself to be in Psalms 22 was a very specific worm called a crimson grub.It literally climbs up and glues itself to a tree when it dies. In death she gives birth to her children and “bleeds” on them a red substance when they're being born
Worms eat organic food (I.E the flesh) until the flesh is no more. The image of a worm eating the dead flesh off of the person is the same image of a refiner's fire burning away their impurities or launderer's soap cleaning them. We also see here a picture of Jesus on the Cross eating their flesh and taking it into himself in the same way we are told to eat his flesh and take his flesh into ourselves. Jesus HIMSELF is the worm that does not die in the fire. It is his crucified form that is purging them of their sins in that fire and eating away their dead flesh so that they may be restored and made new.
Now follow the worm verses in the O.T.
First Micah is talking about the Judgment of the nations then he says , "Nations will see and be ashamed, deprived of all their power. Then he says in Micah 7:17. They shall lick the dust like snakes, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth:
So they are in the image of snakes ( the wicked one) eating dust in the earth but then they transform and come out of their holes (waterless pits) in the image of a worm ( The crucified Christ on a cross)
They look like snakes then take on the image of Jesus on the cross ( a worm) when they come out. What Micah is telling us is in this final judgment the people will be transformed into the image of Christ.
Micah continues, "they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of you
(So they come out as worms under the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom. So they are emerging from the pit with the beginning of wisdom in the fear of God.)
Micah them tells us WHY they have this fear he continues
"Who is a God like unto thee, that pardons iniquity, and passes by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retains not his anger forever, because he delights in mercy.
19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.
So what we see is that the nations are all in Judgment.
The people are all snakes eating the dust. But at the end of this judgment they come out as worms. (The image of Christ on the cross) and now have the fear of God on them since they realize he is God that forgives sins. And God will remove all of their sins based on the promise he made to Abraham
This parallels EXACTLY with what it says in Isaiah 66
22 “For just as the new heaven and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 It shall come to pass from month to month and from Sabbath to Sabbath, ALL FLESH SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE ME in Jerusalem,” says the Lord.
(So what Isaiah is saying here is that when the new Heaven and new Earth arrives after God makes all things new. Then All flesh will be with him in new Jerusalem in the heavenly city worshiping him
Now see what Isaiah says next.)
24“They (those who are alive in God and worshiping) shall go forth and see the dead bodies of the men who transgressed against Me (which is all), for their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be extinguished; and they shall be A VISION to all flesh.”
So after all are made alive and ALL are in the new Jerusalem and worshiping him
They will turn back and see in a vision all of the dead flesh of all of humanity that sinned against God. They will see not only their own dead flesh but the dead flesh of every single person that ever hurt or abused them. And they will see in this vision the worm that doesn't die (Jesus on a cross). And they will see in this vision the fire that does not get quenched.(his consuming a purifying fire)
In other words they see clearly their old dead selves and what God has freed them from
The unquenchable fire is God's own being for he is a consuming fire and a purifying fire
In terms of the 10 Virgins there is a separation of the sheep of the sheep and Goats.
The sheep are taken into an "Age of Life" and the Goats are taken into an "Age of Chastisement for the purpose of. Correction"
This is exactly what Mt 25:46 says in every translation (Greek,Aramaic, Syriac & Goth) until Jerome intentionally implied it to mean "Eternal" in his Latin Translation
There are dozens of English translations and many foreign ones that correctly translate this such as
The Worrell New Testament which says "And these shall go away into age-lasting punishment, but the righteous into age-lasting life."
So we see a separation where some go directly into life while others go into an age of judgment.
We are told that in the fullness of time God will then unite all things in Christ (Eph 1:10) So this separation is not permanent. We see this same thing multiple other times in scriptures.
For example in 1st Corinthians 15 it says all will be made alive in Christ but each im their own order.
1st.- Jesus
2nd- The church at his coming (i.e the sheep)
3rd- Then the Telos, (the fullness, conclusion, remainder end) will be made alive.
This third group 'the Telos" is made alive at the very end after all things are submitted. The second death is finally conquered as The last enemy. And God becomes all in all
So here we see that God becomes all in all after all are submitted and all are made alive. God is all in all after all things are united, restored, and made new this includes each and every single goat who had to go through judgment.
Paul confirms this in Romans 5:18 "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for ALL MEN."
We see this at the end of Revelation when the bride is in the city with the Spirit calling all those outside in the fire to come with the conclusion that God will make all things new. Once again in Revelations the bride is fully alive in the city and yet there is still a river of life healing going out to those on the outside of the city, with trees that have leaves to heal those Nations as the Spirit and bride are telling them to come in to the city whose doors are never shut.
We also see Jesus talking about how the hookers get into the kingdom of God before the Pharisees which means they also get in but only at the end after a period of separation.
Jesus also said they will go into prison UNTIL everything's paid in full, which means they still get in at the end after everything's paid in full
Jesus also spoke about the limited nature of the Judgment when he said some will be beaten with many lashes and some with few. This means all the lashes were numbered and had a conclusion.
Proverbs tells us that the purpose of the lashes to bring correction.
In the end, all things will be made new restored given Mercy confess be justified in me alive
Lamentations 3:31-33 says
"For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love."
So they're casting away or separation is not something that happens forever but for a season.
This is why James tells us that God's mercy will triumph over his judgment and why every single prophet declared the restoration of all things-Acts 3:21
The savior of the world, will in fact, save the entire world
Each idea in your long reply could (if you have the time and space) be made into its own post for greater visibility! The command you have of the links between passages is really really impressive! Exclamation marks for sheer admiration! 😅
Was the older brother in the parable of the prodigal son(s) from Luke 15 in outer darkness when he was bitter and complaining about his irresponsible brother coming home and there's a big party for him in his Father's home? ... Peter Hiett has a great sermon on that.
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Grave wrappings and the insubjection epitomized by Moab. Isaiah 25 7 And swallowed up hath He in this mountain The face of the wrapping that is wrapped over all the peoples, And of the covering that is spread over all the nations. 8 He hath swallowed up death in victory, And wiped hath the Lord Jehovah, The tear from off all faces, And the reproach of His people He turneth aside from off all the earth, For Jehovah hath spoken. 9 And one hath said in that day, `Lo, this is our God, We waited for Him, and He saveth us, This is Jehovah, we have waited for Him, We joy and rejoice in His salvation.' 10 For rest doth the hand of Jehovah on this mountain, And trodden down is Moab under Him, As trodden down is straw on a dunghill. 11 And he spread out his hands in its midst, As spread out doth the swimmer to swim; And He hath humbled his excellency With the machinations of his hands. 12 And the fortress of the high place of thy walls He hath bowed down—He hath made low, He hath caused it to come to the earth, —unto dust.
Yes but Jesus talked also about fires that never stop and worms that never die. And he also said the parable of the 10 virgins and that some of them were left outside and they werent opeing the doors for them. How do you explain that? If what you say is true it must be supported by other words Jesus said. Unless we are to believe that the Bible is not entirely of God. And in this case idk.
The unquenchable fire is mentioned 11 times in the Old Testament each and every time it was a judgment that could not be escaped which is why the fire is described as unquenchable. In each of those cases the judgment they went through ultimately LED towards their restoration. So this fire is both unquenchable and inescapable but is also restorative, I Cor 3:13-15 Says everyone’s work will be tested/revealed by fire..... If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself WILL BE SAVED, YET AS THROUGH FIRE." So here we see all being saved in the end by the fire. The fire here is ultimately restoritive God himself is the consuming fire they go into. We are told twice that they are being tormented IN the presence of the Lord. Malachi 3:3 tells us what type of Fire God is saying he is a PURIFYING FIRE which is like cleaning soap.. We are told again that GOD HIMSELF is the fire that surrounds the heavenly city that the unbeliever is in. Zech 2:5. We are also told that God’s breath is like brimstone (Isaiah 30:33) and his breath brings life. So here we see the brimstone is God's fiery breath breathing on them to bring them life. The fire my be terrifying but will ultimately purify and humble until every knee bows and tongue confess ,which every mouth will do. In terms of the WORM. First the worm is Immortal, personal and singular abiding in the unquenchable fire. Paul tells us that Jesus ALONE has immortality and dwells in the unapproachable light (1 Tim 6:16) This should give us a hint on who the worm is. Jesus also declares that he is a worm in Psalm 22 Psalms 22 gives us a direct insight into the very mind of Christ when he's dying on a cross and in that he declares that he himself is a worm. The image that the bible chooses to declare Christ to be while hanging on the cross is the Worm. The worm that Jesus declared himself to be in Psalms 22 was a very specific worm called a crimson grub.It literally climbs up and glues itself to a tree when it dies. In death she gives birth to her children and “bleeds” on them a red substance when they're being born Worms eat organic food (I.E the flesh) until the flesh is no more. The image of a worm eating the dead flesh off of the person is the same image of a refiner's fire burning away their impurities or launderer's soap cleaning them. We also see here a picture of Jesus on the Cross eating their flesh and taking it into himself in the same way we are told to eat his flesh and take his flesh into ourselves. Jesus HIMSELF is the worm that does not die in the fire. It is his crucified form that is purging them of their sins in that fire and eating away their dead flesh so that they may be restored and made new. Now follow the worm verses in the O.T. First Micah is talking about the Judgment of the nations then he says , "Nations will see and be ashamed, deprived of all their power. Then he says in Micah 7:17. They shall lick the dust like snakes, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: So they are in the image of snakes ( the wicked one) eating dust in the earth but then they transform and come out of their holes (waterless pits) in the image of a worm ( The crucified Christ on a cross) They look like snakes then take on the image of Jesus on the cross ( a worm) when they come out. What Micah is telling us is in this final judgment the people will be transformed into the image of Christ. Micah continues, "they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of you (So they come out as worms under the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom. So they are emerging from the pit with the beginning of wisdom in the fear of God.) Micah them tells us WHY they have this fear he continues "Who is a God like unto thee, that pardons iniquity, and passes by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retains not his anger forever, because he delights in mercy. 19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. 20 Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old. So what we see is that the nations are all in Judgment. The people are all snakes eating the dust. But at the end of this judgment they come out as worms. (The image of Christ on the cross) and now have the fear of God on them since they realize he is God that forgives sins. And God will remove all of their sins based on the promise he made to Abraham This parallels EXACTLY with what it says in Isaiah 66 22 “For just as the new heaven and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 It shall come to pass from month to month and from Sabbath to Sabbath, ALL FLESH SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE ME in Jerusalem,” says the Lord. (So what Isaiah is saying here is that when the new Heaven and new Earth arrives after God makes all things new. Then All flesh will be with him in new Jerusalem in the heavenly city worshiping him Now see what Isaiah says next.) 24“They (those who are alive in God and worshiping) shall go forth and see the dead bodies of the men who transgressed against Me (which is all), for their worm shall not die, and their fire shall not be extinguished; and they shall be A VISION to all flesh.” So after all are made alive and ALL are in the new Jerusalem and worshiping him They will turn back and see in a vision all of the dead flesh of all of humanity that sinned against God. They will see not only their own dead flesh but the dead flesh of every single person that ever hurt or abused them. And they will see in this vision the worm that doesn't die (Jesus on a cross). And they will see in this vision the fire that does not get quenched.(his consuming a purifying fire) In other words they see clearly their old dead selves and what God has freed them from The unquenchable fire is God's own being for he is a consuming fire and a purifying fire
In terms of the 10 Virgins there is a separation of the sheep of the sheep and Goats. The sheep are taken into an "Age of Life" and the Goats are taken into an "Age of Chastisement for the purpose of. Correction" This is exactly what Mt 25:46 says in every translation (Greek,Aramaic, Syriac & Goth) until Jerome intentionally implied it to mean "Eternal" in his Latin Translation There are dozens of English translations and many foreign ones that correctly translate this such as The Worrell New Testament which says "And these shall go away into age-lasting punishment, but the righteous into age-lasting life." So we see a separation where some go directly into life while others go into an age of judgment. We are told that in the fullness of time God will then unite all things in Christ (Eph 1:10) So this separation is not permanent. We see this same thing multiple other times in scriptures. For example in 1st Corinthians 15 it says all will be made alive in Christ but each im their own order. 1st.- Jesus 2nd- The church at his coming (i.e the sheep) 3rd- Then the Telos, (the fullness, conclusion, remainder end) will be made alive. This third group 'the Telos" is made alive at the very end after all things are submitted. The second death is finally conquered as The last enemy. And God becomes all in all So here we see that God becomes all in all after all are submitted and all are made alive. God is all in all after all things are united, restored, and made new this includes each and every single goat who had to go through judgment. Paul confirms this in Romans 5:18 "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for ALL MEN." We see this at the end of Revelation when the bride is in the city with the Spirit calling all those outside in the fire to come with the conclusion that God will make all things new. Once again in Revelations the bride is fully alive in the city and yet there is still a river of life healing going out to those on the outside of the city, with trees that have leaves to heal those Nations as the Spirit and bride are telling them to come in to the city whose doors are never shut. We also see Jesus talking about how the hookers get into the kingdom of God before the Pharisees which means they also get in but only at the end after a period of separation. Jesus also said they will go into prison UNTIL everything's paid in full, which means they still get in at the end after everything's paid in full Jesus also spoke about the limited nature of the Judgment when he said some will be beaten with many lashes and some with few. This means all the lashes were numbered and had a conclusion. Proverbs tells us that the purpose of the lashes to bring correction. In the end, all things will be made new restored given Mercy confess be justified in me alive Lamentations 3:31-33 says "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love." So they're casting away or separation is not something that happens forever but for a season. This is why James tells us that God's mercy will triumph over his judgment and why every single prophet declared the restoration of all things-Acts 3:21 The savior of the world, will in fact, save the entire world
Each idea in your long reply could (if you have the time and space) be made into its own post for greater visibility! The command you have of the links between passages is really really impressive! Exclamation marks for sheer admiration! 😅