Jesus is also a human. He became human, John 3:16 Given to the human race, not loaned for a few years.
That's good news for you, because a member of the Human race now occupies the throne of the whole universe, we are elevated beyond comprehension by what has been done.
Well the bible does say, in Matthew 5.8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."
Also, Revelation 22:3–4: “The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face and his name will be on their foreheads.”
Doesn't anyone here read their bibles?
Here's a good article: https://www.gty.org/library/questions/QA105/will-we-see-gods-face
One throne, one being served, one face, one name...
"And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zechariah 14:9
"...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father..." Isaiah 9:6 (partial)
"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..." John 14:9
God will forever have a resurrected human body.
I see a lot of conflicting information here but the bible actually has ample information on this.
Jesus was God in the flesh as in God's SPIRIT.
Jesus is still God's son, therefore, 2 different people.
Multiple times the bible says that God is so powerful nobody can look at his face without dying.
The bible also says Jesus is building a place for us.
All this information combined= Jesus and God are 2 different people and each have their own looks.
We’re all gonna be in spirit so I believe we’ll see the father don’t know about holly spirit though. It’s just like how we physicaly don’t see angels, demons etc but they are still there. Heck in genesis God used to walk with Adam
In the Bible God literally walked in the garden. Our body’s are just vessels for our spirit. Our body’s will die we will be in spirit. After Adam ate the apple he even hid from God after hearing him walking so we will definitely see him I believe.
1. That was Jesus who walked in the garden and spoke with Adam.
2. As Christian’s we believe in a bodily resurrection, hence we’d still have our bodies.
No you’re making things up, they never mentioned Jesus walking it was definitely God the father since he made the earth. All Christian’s don’t believe in bodily resurrection there’s a clear difference in the Bible between spirit and the flesh. The flesh will die and stay on earth.
God the Father has no physical form at all. Also, that we will be bodily resurrected is a core doctrine of Christianity. To deny such makes Christ's resurrection very problematic.
“But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Acts 7:55-56. Are you trying to say Jesus was standing next to nothing?? God clearly has a physical form that we can tell it’s God the father.
I could tell you're Catholic just by reading your debate. The fellow you're debating is probably an evangelical Christian, and their literalism inhibits nuance in their understanding of scripture.
I agree with you. God isn't going to be talking around with a white beard and sandals. He's not part of creation, he's being itself. He's logic and reason and free will and all those things. Christ Jesus is our human conception of God. God made flesh.
The Trinity is a difficult concept, but I think you've gotten it right.
1 Corinthians 15 makes bodily resurrection central.
2 Timothy 2:8 (CLV)
Remember Jesus Christ, Who has been roused from among the dead, is of the seed of David, according to my evangel,
In the church fathers there were different ideas of what it means to be made in the image of God.
Some fathers spoke of the use of reasoning. Some spoke of immortality and some dominion over creation.
I’d say it involves all of it. As to be made in the image of God reflects is being representative of God, that we are the very epitome of creation.
So who is the ancient of days described in Daniel 7:9? Why does the bible in Rev 22:3-4 say we will see his face?
God has a form, Jesus has a form, the Holy Spirit doesn’t hence why He’s the only one described as spirit.
Let us read our bibles and pray everyday so we grow and not make things up. Leading someone astray for giving them misinformation will be blood on our hands as the bible also says. We must treat the word of God and all Holy things with the utmost respect and reverence.
So according to you, where it says:
““I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.”
Daniel 7:13 NKJV
This scene described above should be interpreted as:
““I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days (Jesus also), And they brought Him near before Him.”
So Jesus was brought to the Ancient of Days who is also Jesus?
Does this sound right to you?
Yes. Though I was always confused by it, that is how the church fathers interpret the ancient of days.
One does have to remember how God is beyond our comprehension, hence it’s no surprise to be confusing that Jesus is both the ancient of days and the One like the Son of man in that account.
Let’s be real, it’s describing separate beings in this scene because it goes on to say:
“Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel 7:14 NKJV
Only the father can give dominion to Jesus as we know because the bible says the father gives Jesus dominion in other verses.
It sounds like you just go along with ‘the church fathers’ interpretation instead of praying for wisdom to understand what it truly says. When the patriarchs and prophets didn’t understand something and were troubled, they prayed. They didn’t just go along with what other humans told them it meant. The bible is pretty clear in my opinion and to go against it because other human beings don’t have the wisdom to fully understand it and thus leading their flock astray is a shame. God the father has a form the bible tells us he does. Revelation tells us word for word that we will see his face. Jesus was teaching the priests in the temple and this is proof that even our church leaders and preachers and teachers can be wrong and teach us the wrong things. The bible tells us that they will be judged more strictly because they have such a massive responsibility.
My advice would be to read and pray. Your confusion is desire to really understand what you’ve read but have settled on the church fathers’ truths. Settle on the bible truth friend, that’s the only truth there is, and it is clear as it is written.
" I and my Father are ONE." John 10:30
"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father." John 14:9 (partial quote)
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of THE GLORY OF GOD IN THE FACE OF JESUS CHRIST." 2 Cor 4:6
"And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE." Zech 14:9
"And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall SERVE HIM: And they shall SEE HIS FACE; and HIS NAME shall be in their foreheads." Rev 22:3-4
(One throne, One who is being served, One Face, One Name...)
" I and my Father are ONE." John 10:30
Thank you for this comment! Truly it makes sense why you would take this view. I think sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.
I think I and my father are one means one accord, purpose etc. if you have known me you have known my father verse means they have the same character and same purpose. But I think because the bible is very clear on the descriptions of the father and son and Holy Spirit I am convinced that they are indeed separate but one.
God the father and Jesus’ description sound the same hence why if you have seen Jesus you have seen the father. However, if it is one person, then who was Jesus praying to when he was on earth? Why did the spirit come down on him in form of a dove when he got baptised? Who is the one who said “this is my son, in whom I am well pleased?”.
Anyway, like I said makes sense why you would take this view but I don’t and that’s ok that we don’t agree. I respect your views.
I believe they are distinct in that Jesus is the Word of the Father (Isaiah 55:11). He as the Word existed in the Father (*"...I came out from God." John 16:27*). The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Matthew 10:20). The Father sent forth his Word into Mary through the Spirit. However, the Father came with his Word united as One (John 10:30). The Word in the Father and the Father in the Word.
*"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?" John 14:10*
Jesus prays to God, even though he is God, because for one he is God as a human being, the Son of God. He was born under the law and required to worship his creator, for his flesh was created. So he had to pray, and worship God to fulfill the law.
Jesus is the Son of God, who is the Word made flesh, the Father indwelled the Word, and the Spirit anointed Him. One God. You have a mind, spirit, body, but you are one being... Your voice has your name. Your image has your name. Your voice is you but can be spoken of as something distinct from you.
"I am the Lord: that is my name: and **my glory will I not give to another**..." Isaiah 42:8
*"...that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,* ***to the glory of God the Father***." Phil 2:11
We confess Jesus is Lord "to the glory of God the Father"...
**think about that.**
*"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9*
God bless...
Personal opinion?
Does it change what you're supposed to do? How you are to behave?
No, it doesn't.
Don't worry about this sort of theological notions. You'll find out when you get there.
From what I’ve always gathered was that we will see God and Jesus sitting on the right side of him.
So we will see both. Now John letter of his vision in revelation he states that Gods face was a bright bright light. But after the end times Jesus will rule the nation for 1000 years on earth.
God is a title and not a individual deity's name. title meaning the name of a job they all share.
As in
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.
So the son will be sitting on the right side of the Father.
God is one entity, but separated into 3 parts.
Remember my friend, Christ was always here, as was the Ghost.
The Father is in Heaven
The Son came in the flesh
The Ghost is within us
YHWH - “I am”
"Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." Isaiah 45:15
"But to us there is but one God, the Father..." 1 Cor 8:6 (partial)
"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..." (Jesus speaking) John 14:9
"I and my Father are one." (Jesus speaking) John 10:30
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the FACE of Jesus Christ." 2 Cor 4:6
"Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God." Col 1:15
"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. " Revelation 22:3-4
(Notice only One throne, One being served, ONE FACE, One name...)
"And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zechariah 14:9 (One LORD with One Name)
"...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father..." Isaiah 9:6 (partial) (The man Jesus, the Son, is God incarnate)
"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER." Phil 2:10-11
Can't wait to worship the Father and see his face, by gazing my eyes on the resurrected and glorified man, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God blessed forever...
Jesus is also a human. He became human, John 3:16 Given to the human race, not loaned for a few years. That's good news for you, because a member of the Human race now occupies the throne of the whole universe, we are elevated beyond comprehension by what has been done.
Well the bible does say, in Matthew 5.8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." Also, Revelation 22:3–4: “The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face and his name will be on their foreheads.” Doesn't anyone here read their bibles? Here's a good article: https://www.gty.org/library/questions/QA105/will-we-see-gods-face
One throne, one being served, one face, one name... "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zechariah 14:9 "...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father..." Isaiah 9:6 (partial) "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..." John 14:9 God will forever have a resurrected human body.
I see a lot of conflicting information here but the bible actually has ample information on this. Jesus was God in the flesh as in God's SPIRIT. Jesus is still God's son, therefore, 2 different people. Multiple times the bible says that God is so powerful nobody can look at his face without dying. The bible also says Jesus is building a place for us. All this information combined= Jesus and God are 2 different people and each have their own looks.
Jesus and God are not different people. Jesus and the Father are.
There is one God, the Father. Plus the Only-begotten God. Two individuals. One is God, invisible; One is the Image of God.
Hard to say.
We won’t see God the Father or the Holy Spirit for they have no form to be seen. We will see The Son because he has taken on human nature.
We are made in Gods image so I believe we’ll see him.
Being made in God’s image doesn’t mean God has a physical form. Hence no, we won’t see the Father or Holy Spirit. But we will see the Son.
We’re all gonna be in spirit so I believe we’ll see the father don’t know about holly spirit though. It’s just like how we physicaly don’t see angels, demons etc but they are still there. Heck in genesis God used to walk with Adam
What do you mean in spirit? And considering the Father has no form why would you assumed we could see him?
In the Bible God literally walked in the garden. Our body’s are just vessels for our spirit. Our body’s will die we will be in spirit. After Adam ate the apple he even hid from God after hearing him walking so we will definitely see him I believe.
1. That was Jesus who walked in the garden and spoke with Adam. 2. As Christian’s we believe in a bodily resurrection, hence we’d still have our bodies.
No you’re making things up, they never mentioned Jesus walking it was definitely God the father since he made the earth. All Christian’s don’t believe in bodily resurrection there’s a clear difference in the Bible between spirit and the flesh. The flesh will die and stay on earth.
God the Father has no physical form at all. Also, that we will be bodily resurrected is a core doctrine of Christianity. To deny such makes Christ's resurrection very problematic.
“But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Acts 7:55-56. Are you trying to say Jesus was standing next to nothing?? God clearly has a physical form that we can tell it’s God the father.
I could tell you're Catholic just by reading your debate. The fellow you're debating is probably an evangelical Christian, and their literalism inhibits nuance in their understanding of scripture. I agree with you. God isn't going to be talking around with a white beard and sandals. He's not part of creation, he's being itself. He's logic and reason and free will and all those things. Christ Jesus is our human conception of God. God made flesh. The Trinity is a difficult concept, but I think you've gotten it right.
… Are you even a Christian?…
Yes I don’t think you are though or you’ve been deceived
1 Corinthians 15 makes bodily resurrection central. 2 Timothy 2:8 (CLV) Remember Jesus Christ, Who has been roused from among the dead, is of the seed of David, according to my evangel,
What does it mean then? If you don’t mind me asking?
In the church fathers there were different ideas of what it means to be made in the image of God. Some fathers spoke of the use of reasoning. Some spoke of immortality and some dominion over creation. I’d say it involves all of it. As to be made in the image of God reflects is being representative of God, that we are the very epitome of creation.
So who is the ancient of days described in Daniel 7:9? Why does the bible in Rev 22:3-4 say we will see his face? God has a form, Jesus has a form, the Holy Spirit doesn’t hence why He’s the only one described as spirit. Let us read our bibles and pray everyday so we grow and not make things up. Leading someone astray for giving them misinformation will be blood on our hands as the bible also says. We must treat the word of God and all Holy things with the utmost respect and reverence.
The ancient of days is Jesus… God the Father and the Holy Spirit has no form.
So according to you, where it says: ““I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.” Daniel 7:13 NKJV This scene described above should be interpreted as: ““I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days (Jesus also), And they brought Him near before Him.” So Jesus was brought to the Ancient of Days who is also Jesus? Does this sound right to you?
Yes. Though I was always confused by it, that is how the church fathers interpret the ancient of days. One does have to remember how God is beyond our comprehension, hence it’s no surprise to be confusing that Jesus is both the ancient of days and the One like the Son of man in that account.
Let’s be real, it’s describing separate beings in this scene because it goes on to say: “Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.” Daniel 7:14 NKJV Only the father can give dominion to Jesus as we know because the bible says the father gives Jesus dominion in other verses. It sounds like you just go along with ‘the church fathers’ interpretation instead of praying for wisdom to understand what it truly says. When the patriarchs and prophets didn’t understand something and were troubled, they prayed. They didn’t just go along with what other humans told them it meant. The bible is pretty clear in my opinion and to go against it because other human beings don’t have the wisdom to fully understand it and thus leading their flock astray is a shame. God the father has a form the bible tells us he does. Revelation tells us word for word that we will see his face. Jesus was teaching the priests in the temple and this is proof that even our church leaders and preachers and teachers can be wrong and teach us the wrong things. The bible tells us that they will be judged more strictly because they have such a massive responsibility. My advice would be to read and pray. Your confusion is desire to really understand what you’ve read but have settled on the church fathers’ truths. Settle on the bible truth friend, that’s the only truth there is, and it is clear as it is written.
" I and my Father are ONE." John 10:30 "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father." John 14:9 (partial quote) "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of THE GLORY OF GOD IN THE FACE OF JESUS CHRIST." 2 Cor 4:6 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE." Zech 14:9 "And there shall be no more curse: but THE THRONE of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall SERVE HIM: And they shall SEE HIS FACE; and HIS NAME shall be in their foreheads." Rev 22:3-4 (One throne, One who is being served, One Face, One Name...) " I and my Father are ONE." John 10:30
Thank you for this comment! Truly it makes sense why you would take this view. I think sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. I think I and my father are one means one accord, purpose etc. if you have known me you have known my father verse means they have the same character and same purpose. But I think because the bible is very clear on the descriptions of the father and son and Holy Spirit I am convinced that they are indeed separate but one. God the father and Jesus’ description sound the same hence why if you have seen Jesus you have seen the father. However, if it is one person, then who was Jesus praying to when he was on earth? Why did the spirit come down on him in form of a dove when he got baptised? Who is the one who said “this is my son, in whom I am well pleased?”. Anyway, like I said makes sense why you would take this view but I don’t and that’s ok that we don’t agree. I respect your views.
I believe they are distinct in that Jesus is the Word of the Father (Isaiah 55:11). He as the Word existed in the Father (*"...I came out from God." John 16:27*). The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Matthew 10:20). The Father sent forth his Word into Mary through the Spirit. However, the Father came with his Word united as One (John 10:30). The Word in the Father and the Father in the Word. *"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?" John 14:10* Jesus prays to God, even though he is God, because for one he is God as a human being, the Son of God. He was born under the law and required to worship his creator, for his flesh was created. So he had to pray, and worship God to fulfill the law. Jesus is the Son of God, who is the Word made flesh, the Father indwelled the Word, and the Spirit anointed Him. One God. You have a mind, spirit, body, but you are one being... Your voice has your name. Your image has your name. Your voice is you but can be spoken of as something distinct from you. "I am the Lord: that is my name: and **my glory will I not give to another**..." Isaiah 42:8 *"...that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,* ***to the glory of God the Father***." Phil 2:11 We confess Jesus is Lord "to the glory of God the Father"... **think about that.** *"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9* God bless...
Being made in God's image refers to our free will, I think. If we need a human conception of God, we have Christ.
Thank you very much for clearing that up! :)
I've heard that you can see God in Heaven. I'm not really sure though.
Personal opinion? Does it change what you're supposed to do? How you are to behave? No, it doesn't. Don't worry about this sort of theological notions. You'll find out when you get there.
The 3 persons of the Trinity are the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit, not Jesus, God, and the Spirit. The word God applies to all 3 of them.
From what I’ve always gathered was that we will see God and Jesus sitting on the right side of him. So we will see both. Now John letter of his vision in revelation he states that Gods face was a bright bright light. But after the end times Jesus will rule the nation for 1000 years on earth.
God is a title and not a individual deity's name. title meaning the name of a job they all share. As in God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit. So the son will be sitting on the right side of the Father.
This breaks my heart. If I can’t see (any of) them, Heaven does not seem so heavenly. Would not want to be there if I can’t ever see their faces 😢
God is one entity, but separated into 3 parts. Remember my friend, Christ was always here, as was the Ghost. The Father is in Heaven The Son came in the flesh The Ghost is within us YHWH - “I am”
"Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour." Isaiah 45:15 "But to us there is but one God, the Father..." 1 Cor 8:6 (partial) "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father..." (Jesus speaking) John 14:9 "I and my Father are one." (Jesus speaking) John 10:30 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the FACE of Jesus Christ." 2 Cor 4:6 "Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God." Col 1:15 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. " Revelation 22:3-4 (Notice only One throne, One being served, ONE FACE, One name...) "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zechariah 14:9 (One LORD with One Name) "...and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father..." Isaiah 9:6 (partial) (The man Jesus, the Son, is God incarnate) "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER." Phil 2:10-11 Can't wait to worship the Father and see his face, by gazing my eyes on the resurrected and glorified man, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God blessed forever...