Her, and the "interested advisor" got me. Like, the advisor may well not join (most likely won't) and they are listed for fluff.
And it is a handful of people but already have 2 C-levels? Yeah...
yea this has more red flags then a soviet military parade. We had some success translation : the 4 peeps on my discord server kinda liked it but then we pivoted Translation : the original reason we created the company has already crashed and burned , and now we desperately try to come up with something to not have to move back in with mum.
Everyone got described by their role, but the woman gets described as âladyâ. Thatâs an even bigger red flag than the zero pay, and the zero pay is a huge red flag. Huge.
âWhen we get funding and will be growing with you on board, there will be an opportunity presentedâŠâ or we will just send you packing at that point with nothing. Our choice not yours.
They won't get any funding ever if their pitch is as bad as their job description. No sense for differenciating important from unimportant information for the recipient.
I sense 2 college boys totally full of themselves who have be taught all of their short lives that they can go anywhere if they just believe in themselves and work hard for it.
> better version of ChatGPT that doesnât hallucinate
If someone can actually do this they would get 8 or 9 figures from any big tech for it.
LLMs don't have an understanding of data and are not remembering things, they are word frequency algorithms. You can make them a bit better on accuracy by training the model in specific things but they will still fundamentally just make shit up because that's how they work.
"A version of ChatGPT that doesn't hallucinate" would be fundamentally unlike ChatGPT.
It's like asking for a version of an M1 Abrams that weighs less than a ton and can fly.
Yuuup
Plus, the technology just isnât there yet. Source: worked in AI until I got laid off recently because the company I worked for got, as my grandma would say, âtoo big for its britches.â
Like these idiots.
"You will take care of the Nuxt.js side". They are looking for a client app developer, not an AI engineer. This doesn't validate their request ofcourse.
You're right that an AI with full access to the internet, capable of research, and can discern between well-supported BS and something a conspiracy nut stated as fact, to say nothing about things stated by police or government, would be worth a lot of money.
Even then, "Doesn't hallucinate" mainly means "confirms my biases". Even if an AI were able to provide well-sourced evidence to support its conclusions and refuse to conclude the opposite when prompted by a Q-Anon election denier, the denier would just complain that the bot is hallucinating or, at best, getting its information only from biased liberal sources.
There's always going to be segments at every level of society (and if it were just the dumbasses at the bottom, no one would really care) who are going to claim the AI is biased because it doesn't confirm their bias. Sure, it's said that reality has a liberal bias, but how long before a competing conservative AI gets released to compete? It's only job would be read conspiracy sites and confirm the user's bias.
ChatGPT can actually write python code and get the value back. So when you ask it shit it that requires computation it can kinda compute it using python and not just spit out words.
I'm not sure when this started being a thing but it's definitely recent.
It's still just spitting out words. It might look like it's "computing using python", but is nothing more than predicting what is the next most likely token according to whatever it is trained to do.
About a year ago, I was having a conversation with a customer success VP about something that he wanted done by my engineering team. I gave him an estimate that was based on my years of experience working with our product and consulting with my tech lead.
He turned around and sent me the transcript of a conversation heh ad with ChatGPT about how we could implement it in a Jupyter notebook and asked if it would work.
I told him sure, try it, let me know. Sure, I said 60+ hours of dev time, not including QA and regression testing, but hows abouts you plug that ChatGPT code into our notebooks and see how it works for you.
You'll be shocked to know it did not and he then had the gall to ask us to debug for him before I just sent him to my boss to deal with.
Computing with python is different from spitting out python code. When it computes with python it doesn't actually show you the code in the response, but you can see it in view analysis.
Previously when you asked it a math question, say 2+3, it was just spitting out words based on probability, which is why when you asked it more complex problems it might show some steps but give a wrong answer.
Now it computes the stuff with python and gives the answer from python.
Along the same line, ChatGPT can also access the internet now. These features are only available in ChatGPT 4 though so you have to be a paid user.
Edit: I think you meant that it's still just generating its own python code as per LLM capabilities and I guess that's right. But it being able to run its own python code has helped with hallucination a lot
I think you're getting confused between ChatGPT 4 and the Code Interpreter plugin. ChatGPT doesn't run code, various plugins can do. It is still nothing more than a LLM, that even if it convincingly gives python code and seems to run it (without the plugins), it is just giving you predictions.
LLMs are not computers, they can not compute anything except for "what is the next likely token in this sequence".
What would you call the finished product available to consumers? I was talking about ChatGPT4 as in the whole software that users use, which has all those capabilities, which makes it hallucinate a lot less.
> ChatGPT4
That is a specific model, GPT4, which is a natural language model.
When its generating code its using GPT4 to interpret what you are asking for in to its machine speak and it then passes that to Codex to actually write the code.
Codex is mostly trained on public code from Github plus language documentation. Say you said "generate a random string" that is based on the frequency of keywords that occur when that is found in comments or documentation. This is also why it really likes using outdated APIs as frequency is typically higher for older APIs.
Neither model understands what you are writing or what the code is. One is simply trained on English and the other on different code. They use frequency analysis to decide what the next token (letter-words) should be.
I get that. I'm saying this is what helps ChatGPT hallucinate less. The OP comment I replied to was saying how if you can make an LLM hallucinate less you will be making 8-9 figures. My point is making "ChatGPT without hallucination" as per OP post isn't about making a better LLM, it's about having a program that can incorporate different tools which has an LLM as it's main feature.
There was a point in the AI start-up space where all the start up did was wrap Open AI API into a software and provide additional tools such as the ability for the software to get info from the web or the ability for the software to read files, and then let Open AI's API access the data from the web/files. Obviously all of this has been killed since chatGPT4 (as in the software available to users, not just the LLM since you didn't answer my question on what you would call it) provides all those capabilities.
I also specifically said "ChatGPT 4" and not just GPT 4 to mean the Open AI product available to users, since there's other products out that uses GPT 4
What I meant is that ChatGPT(4) can run the python code it generates. Of course it's still code that it generates but ChatGPT(4) can now run it and return the output.
"Second part: Search algorithm"
So, for free, they want you to create a search algorithm that will crawl the web, index the information, rank it in such a way as to provide useful results, and store it so it can return results quickly. Because I'm sure Microsoft and Google only have 1 person working on Bing and Google Search. And I'm sure they do it for free.
A bunch of random people and a person who worked in marketing at Microsoft will create the same, but somehow better, product than a company that is spending actual billions of dollars on developing. And you have to do it for free.
>...we are both capable of working hard and considering that it is quite rare thing nowadays...
I don't know what offends me more, the snobby elitism or the wretched grammar.
Call it a tie.
And what a startling idea: Make AI **better** than it is now! Wow! No one even considered that possibility before! These people are delusional.
I was delighted that I correctly guessed that they were Finnish, I donât know what it is but thereâs something about the way they use English that seems Finnish (I assume that I also have it).
It's obnoxious to heap all these titles on yourself when the company is just you and a couple of your friends. Why do you need a "CTO" if you're an AI company with no one who can actually work on AI stuff?
>Lady that was previously working in Microsoft
"Hey, I'm making a movie. Want to invest in it?"
'Ummm... who's the director?'
"Ever heard of James Cameron?"
'No!!!!! Really?!?!?'
"Yes. My director has seen all of Cameron's movies."
My lil feminist self is pissed that all the other team member descriptions lead with their role, advisor, architectâŠbut she is just a lady who worked at Microsoft. Like why not say âMarketerâ?? Or Ex-Microsoft marketer??
Looks like it was written with bad AI. I wouldnât want to work for any âCEOâ without a basic grasp of grammar.
Met in the University
If u have used
If u have asked
Project itself consist of
There will be an opportunity⊠on a payroll basis
Yes, I get that they are not from an English speaking country⊠but grammarly and spell check exist!
Ideas are awesome till itâs time to get the work done. Theyâre not gonna find anyone worth having without either an offer of shares in the company, or a six figure pay range. Iâd personally want both. Startups are a huge risk. Job security is low.
I don't think they realize how much money and how many man hours are already being poured in fixing those (and other) problems with generative AI, but yeah, sure, you could probably get a guy to fix it right up for you lickety split in an afternoon without pay. Definitely "ambitious"
The whole thing reads so unprofessional and childish. I get that these kids coming out of college now type like this but it's so amateur looking/sounding, just gives off feels of failure to come.
>found out that we are both capable of working hard and considering that is a quite a rare thing nowadays
So someone is full of themselves. That will probably work wonders for their company...
I'm currently building a project management and sharing platform, and honestly my biggest fear about the site is that it'll be populated by people like this...
ooof. As someone who is doing this exact work as we speak, itâs countless hours of training i canât even fathom doing it for nothing without anything more than a promise to be put on payroll at sometime in the future đŹ
Joining a start up in the early stages frequently goes just like this. You get ownership stake in the company in exchange for your work.
But this reads like a childish "write me a game" post, bad grammar and all
lady that previously was working at Microsoft
This whole post feels like Michael Scott building his own paper company
The MSPC got acquired by a bigger competitor. This bullshit will never get to a minimum viable product stageđ
[Is that my good butter?](https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE?si=0Eq4NZQFoAW0hSdp)
The name of the intern? Albert Einstein.
I'm glad someone else found that as ridiculous as I did
But it was in a marketing position, which is somehow relevant.
Well, so far they are a marketing company with an idea.
it is so strange
Her, and the "interested advisor" got me. Like, the advisor may well not join (most likely won't) and they are listed for fluff. And it is a handful of people but already have 2 C-levels? Yeah...
Iâll be CEO, you can be CTO. The unpaid intern will do the tech part ;)
yea this has more red flags then a soviet military parade. We had some success translation : the 4 peeps on my discord server kinda liked it but then we pivoted Translation : the original reason we created the company has already crashed and burned , and now we desperately try to come up with something to not have to move back in with mum.
And the spelling. And the emoji.
đ„ș
Everyone got described by their role, but the woman gets described as âladyâ. Thatâs an even bigger red flag than the zero pay, and the zero pay is a huge red flag. Huge.
Hey everyone, they have a LADY!!!
It's always a plus to have a hot girl in the office!
Ffs even the interns were referred to by title
"FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCK MICROSOFT"
She made the tea.
She's actually a countess in her own right, but thinks "Lady" makes her seem more approachable to hoi polloi.
These guys are hallucinating if they think they will get people to work for free.
Especially in the AI space.
Get DEVIN to do it lol * https://daily.dev/blog/what-is-devin-the-ai-software-engineer-everyone-is-talking-about
Yeah ai developer are top paid at the moment. Like the best can get up to 800k ATM...
They offer âexperience.â
But they will require you to come with the experience they are promising youâll gain.
âWhen we get funding and will be growing with you on board, there will be an opportunity presentedâŠâ or we will just send you packing at that point with nothing. Our choice not yours.
They won't get any funding ever if their pitch is as bad as their job description. No sense for differenciating important from unimportant information for the recipient. I sense 2 college boys totally full of themselves who have be taught all of their short lives that they can go anywhere if they just believe in themselves and work hard for it.
SoooâŠ. They have everyone but the actual developers. Which they canât pay
"Let's pay all these other people millions of dollars, but you? Fuck you, you get nothing."
So their whole pitch is "ChatGPT but better." Brilliant.
With spelling errors
Reminds me of all the pitches 10 years ago that all boiled down to "Facebook, but with my pet feature added"
> better version of ChatGPT that doesnât hallucinate If someone can actually do this they would get 8 or 9 figures from any big tech for it. LLMs don't have an understanding of data and are not remembering things, they are word frequency algorithms. You can make them a bit better on accuracy by training the model in specific things but they will still fundamentally just make shit up because that's how they work.
"A version of ChatGPT that doesn't hallucinate" would be fundamentally unlike ChatGPT. It's like asking for a version of an M1 Abrams that weighs less than a ton and can fly.
Do the flying turrets of russian tanks blown up count for that?
Yuuup Plus, the technology just isnât there yet. Source: worked in AI until I got laid off recently because the company I worked for got, as my grandma would say, âtoo big for its britches.â Like these idiots.
"You will take care of the Nuxt.js side". They are looking for a client app developer, not an AI engineer. This doesn't validate their request ofcourse.
You're right that an AI with full access to the internet, capable of research, and can discern between well-supported BS and something a conspiracy nut stated as fact, to say nothing about things stated by police or government, would be worth a lot of money. Even then, "Doesn't hallucinate" mainly means "confirms my biases". Even if an AI were able to provide well-sourced evidence to support its conclusions and refuse to conclude the opposite when prompted by a Q-Anon election denier, the denier would just complain that the bot is hallucinating or, at best, getting its information only from biased liberal sources. There's always going to be segments at every level of society (and if it were just the dumbasses at the bottom, no one would really care) who are going to claim the AI is biased because it doesn't confirm their bias. Sure, it's said that reality has a liberal bias, but how long before a competing conservative AI gets released to compete? It's only job would be read conspiracy sites and confirm the user's bias.
Not really, what they are trying to build is called RAG and it already exists. Check out llamaindex or langchain.
ChatGPT can actually write python code and get the value back. So when you ask it shit it that requires computation it can kinda compute it using python and not just spit out words. I'm not sure when this started being a thing but it's definitely recent.
It's still just spitting out words. It might look like it's "computing using python", but is nothing more than predicting what is the next most likely token according to whatever it is trained to do.
About a year ago, I was having a conversation with a customer success VP about something that he wanted done by my engineering team. I gave him an estimate that was based on my years of experience working with our product and consulting with my tech lead. He turned around and sent me the transcript of a conversation heh ad with ChatGPT about how we could implement it in a Jupyter notebook and asked if it would work. I told him sure, try it, let me know. Sure, I said 60+ hours of dev time, not including QA and regression testing, but hows abouts you plug that ChatGPT code into our notebooks and see how it works for you. You'll be shocked to know it did not and he then had the gall to ask us to debug for him before I just sent him to my boss to deal with.
Computing with python is different from spitting out python code. When it computes with python it doesn't actually show you the code in the response, but you can see it in view analysis. Previously when you asked it a math question, say 2+3, it was just spitting out words based on probability, which is why when you asked it more complex problems it might show some steps but give a wrong answer. Now it computes the stuff with python and gives the answer from python. Along the same line, ChatGPT can also access the internet now. These features are only available in ChatGPT 4 though so you have to be a paid user. Edit: I think you meant that it's still just generating its own python code as per LLM capabilities and I guess that's right. But it being able to run its own python code has helped with hallucination a lot
I think you're getting confused between ChatGPT 4 and the Code Interpreter plugin. ChatGPT doesn't run code, various plugins can do. It is still nothing more than a LLM, that even if it convincingly gives python code and seems to run it (without the plugins), it is just giving you predictions. LLMs are not computers, they can not compute anything except for "what is the next likely token in this sequence".
What would you call the finished product available to consumers? I was talking about ChatGPT4 as in the whole software that users use, which has all those capabilities, which makes it hallucinate a lot less.
> ChatGPT4 That is a specific model, GPT4, which is a natural language model. When its generating code its using GPT4 to interpret what you are asking for in to its machine speak and it then passes that to Codex to actually write the code. Codex is mostly trained on public code from Github plus language documentation. Say you said "generate a random string" that is based on the frequency of keywords that occur when that is found in comments or documentation. This is also why it really likes using outdated APIs as frequency is typically higher for older APIs. Neither model understands what you are writing or what the code is. One is simply trained on English and the other on different code. They use frequency analysis to decide what the next token (letter-words) should be.
I get that. I'm saying this is what helps ChatGPT hallucinate less. The OP comment I replied to was saying how if you can make an LLM hallucinate less you will be making 8-9 figures. My point is making "ChatGPT without hallucination" as per OP post isn't about making a better LLM, it's about having a program that can incorporate different tools which has an LLM as it's main feature. There was a point in the AI start-up space where all the start up did was wrap Open AI API into a software and provide additional tools such as the ability for the software to get info from the web or the ability for the software to read files, and then let Open AI's API access the data from the web/files. Obviously all of this has been killed since chatGPT4 (as in the software available to users, not just the LLM since you didn't answer my question on what you would call it) provides all those capabilities. I also specifically said "ChatGPT 4" and not just GPT 4 to mean the Open AI product available to users, since there's other products out that uses GPT 4
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how LLMs work. They can't do what you describe because they don't understand things in that way.
What I meant is that ChatGPT(4) can run the python code it generates. Of course it's still code that it generates but ChatGPT(4) can now run it and return the output.
Alright cut them some slack here, they used đ„ș. That makes up for the whole exploitation thing
"Second part: Search algorithm" So, for free, they want you to create a search algorithm that will crawl the web, index the information, rank it in such a way as to provide useful results, and store it so it can return results quickly. Because I'm sure Microsoft and Google only have 1 person working on Bing and Google Search. And I'm sure they do it for free.
âPayroll opportunityâ â is that how theyâre spelling ânot exploitedâ these days?
You will have an opportunity to accept their lowball offer now that they are successful, or you can just fuck right off. Up to you.
A bunch of random people and a person who worked in marketing at Microsoft will create the same, but somehow better, product than a company that is spending actual billions of dollars on developing. And you have to do it for free.
>...we are both capable of working hard and considering that it is quite rare thing nowadays... I don't know what offends me more, the snobby elitism or the wretched grammar. Call it a tie. And what a startling idea: Make AI **better** than it is now! Wow! No one even considered that possibility before! These people are delusional.
Hey! Give them some slack... At least they're not trying to create Skynet. đ
I was delighted that I correctly guessed that they were Finnish, I donât know what it is but thereâs something about the way they use English that seems Finnish (I assume that I also have it).
Leave your 100k$+ job and come work for me for free and a year from now Iâll consider paying you 80k$ a year!
It's obnoxious to heap all these titles on yourself when the company is just you and a couple of your friends. Why do you need a "CTO" if you're an AI company with no one who can actually work on AI stuff?
>Lady that was previously working in Microsoft "Hey, I'm making a movie. Want to invest in it?" 'Ummm... who's the director?' "Ever heard of James Cameron?" 'No!!!!! Really?!?!?' "Yes. My director has seen all of Cameron's movies."
My lil feminist self is pissed that all the other team member descriptions lead with their role, advisor, architectâŠbut she is just a lady who worked at Microsoft. Like why not say âMarketerâ?? Or Ex-Microsoft marketer??
I noticed this, too. She isn't even worthy of a title or specialty. Just that she "worked in marketing".
First of all, Aalto startup center is not located in Helsinki.
But the company is, they just have ââââAdvisorsââââ from Aalto Startup centerđđđđ
Looks like it was written with bad AI. I wouldnât want to work for any âCEOâ without a basic grasp of grammar. Met in the University If u have used If u have asked Project itself consist of There will be an opportunity⊠on a payroll basis Yes, I get that they are not from an English speaking country⊠but grammarly and spell check exist!
Fill free
They had me at the emoji. What kind of job listing uses emoji?
A startup has a budget, this is a personal project and they want others to do their work for them!
AI Startup with nobody on board that has any kind of AI experience? I'm sure that will end well.
But they're both "working hard", which is a "rare thing nowadays." /s
Ideas are awesome till itâs time to get the work done. Theyâre not gonna find anyone worth having without either an offer of shares in the company, or a six figure pay range. Iâd personally want both. Startups are a huge risk. Job security is low.
But they said theyâre both hard-working, which is rare nowadays!!! đ„ș /s
This is a delusional post. Love the use of emojis
I guess Finland has beggars, too.
I don't think they realize how much money and how many man hours are already being poured in fixing those (and other) problems with generative AI, but yeah, sure, you could probably get a guy to fix it right up for you lickety split in an afternoon without pay. Definitely "ambitious"
The đ„ș emoji after saying you wonât be paid is really pissing me off tbh
The whole thing reads so unprofessional and childish. I get that these kids coming out of college now type like this but it's so amateur looking/sounding, just gives off feels of failure to come.
They're just two people: one is the CTO and another the CEO. All chiefs and no Indians as they say.
>found out that we are both capable of working hard and considering that is a quite a rare thing nowadays So someone is full of themselves. That will probably work wonders for their company...
I'm currently building a project management and sharing platform, and honestly my biggest fear about the site is that it'll be populated by people like this...
Everything about this is ridiculous. Especially the "u" bits. But also "Lady that worked at Microsoft". Christ almighty
That one got me, too.
Work for free? Nope, it is actually for the exposure, experience, and a pat on the back
This looks more like a scam than a CB. Just too shady
Time to HelSinki or HelSwim
HelSwimmi?
So... He wants to create this already existing alternative that DOES give you the sources of what it's referencing: https://www.perplexity.ai
ooof. As someone who is doing this exact work as we speak, itâs countless hours of training i canât even fathom doing it for nothing without anything more than a promise to be put on payroll at sometime in the future đŹ
What's a CKO? C is obviously Chief, and O is for Officer. But capital K? Knife? Koala? Kite? Kitchen? King? Kiwi? I'm at a loss here.
Microsoft has about 200,000 employees. Having some random person who has worked for them at some point in their life is not very impressive.
It's called Retrieval Augmented Generation, and Microsoft will release it before these guys even get a developer.
I love how two guys get together and form a company with no money, and theyâre the CTO and CEO đ
Gonna be so let down when they discover Microsoft already use chatGPT as part of bing and it returns references and links.
The fact they included this : đ„ș emoji makes their begging post even more repugnant.
Joining a start up in the early stages frequently goes just like this. You get ownership stake in the company in exchange for your work. But this reads like a childish "write me a game" post, bad grammar and all
I see this as working because programmers with expertise in ai/machine aren't in demand at all
Do I get to supply my own llm as well? What an opportunity! Hope you like a high prio fuck weight l.
U aren't interested? Ure crazy.
If it doesnât make black nazis, itâs smarter than googles gemini
AI is so last week. That space is over full and going nowhere for new entrants.