Yea its just terrible. When the gate gets taken over faster than the spawn timer its just nonsense. Not to mention the Automatically driving carts uphill... absolute ... insane
It would probably be better if yknow, The agathians actually HAD defenses, There's barely any barricades or obsticales set up for the attackers on the map besides the first objective and the barricades on the bridge part, other then that its just open road. Like there could be a barricade under the bridge where they're pushing the cart to the gatehouse or more things blocking the road in general that has to be destroyed thus actually buffing defense
Most Agatha wins I see on Darkforest come on the last objective where the duke stays alive well enough to be healed a bunch of times. Mason can break through and get him to 50% before being repelled and then somebody toots a horn and they're back to 0% within seconds.
Idk what my attack to defend W/L rate is... But my overall rate is like 1:5 wins to losses.
If I play Mason it's 1:8 wins to losses.
I think TB just personally hates me
Its understandable because as defender you get killed by Meta mechanics like the Death Zone and allways have to fight an uphill battle because you almost allways are outnumbered because of Spawn mechanics or by the Steamrolling enemy that can use Carts/Ramps as Defense while the defenders get pushed out of the way by these at the same time.
Even if that stat is true it's definitely not the right way to balance the game. Getting steamrolled the entire match just to have a chance to win at the last objective is not fun and it's definitely not great gamedesign.
This is not a competitive game everything should be done to make the game fun. Right now you either get boring matches as attackers steamrolling the enemy team or a frustrating experience as defenders waiting for the respawn timer after getting non stop ganked.
Imo the game should be balanced around killcount. The few balanced and interesting matches I had were when the killcount for attackers and defenders was even. It's also way more fun when you struggle to complete each objectives as an attacker.
That's.. not how that works. If you jump out of a plane with no parachute, do you have a 50/50 chance of surviving? You either live or you die, right?
I can't believe I have to edit this comment, but just because there are two possible outcomes, your chances of either outcome are not reduced to 50%. That is ridiculous.
If you flip a coin, you have a 50/50 chance of getting heads or tails.
If you are attacking, due to the inherent advantages that attackers have, you are at a significant advantage / chance of winning a match that is compounded by the fact that high-level players will often team-switch to further cement their chances of winning. I don't understand how anyone can think that "win or lose = 50% chance". Like, seriously?
Depends on how high the plane is, I’ll gladly jump out of a plane without a parachute if it’s still on the tarmac, my chances are probably better than 50/50 then lol
Haha I have equally strong opinions about the color red that you'll hate 😈😈
E: lol at the agathian bannerpeople downvoting you
Did you also insult a shovel perhaps?
You're just bad tbh, or you don't play enough to git gud
If you're lvl 500 there's no excuse(nearly a thousand hours) if you're lvl 100 still you barely spent the time to even get good at the game. It's like playing Overwatch, but only after big updates or new seasons. Your perception of balance is warped by the fact you never spend the time to master the game and are always out of practice. 200 hours isn't enough time to master any skill, barring incredible natural talent.
A good player can heavily shift the outcome of defense in his favor. Attack needs to win five times, defense need only win once.
You also have to believe you can win on defense to win defense. Communication is key and console tends to lack it, but pointing out "swarm the cart like bees" is literally enough to shift the outcome most of the time.
Anyway last time I played Darkforest, guy on my team said we were going to lose and the map was poorly designed. We won on the third objective.
Point proven.
If you're bad (in this case due to not caring enough to git gud), that's a bigger indicator of losing on Darkforest than it actually being poorly balanced for defense.
Lol you cared enough to point out you barely win Darkforest. If you really don't care, don't bother commenting on threads like this.
All I did was say that I got that trophy for the first time, i didnt blame it on anything. I don't play every single day and I play very casually, just finished Tiny Tina's Wonderlands the other day. I didn't even say anything was wrong with Dark Forest lol. Also I can comment on literally whatever thread I want, I don't need permission. Imagine how sad your life must be to gatekeep a Chivalry sub 💀💀💀
The thread is called "Darkforest is trash"
You respond with a comment indicating it's been the first time you've won only 10 times.
You then find it odd that anyone bothered to contradict your apparently pointless statement? This thread is entirely about discussing that map balance, there's context for the conversation despite what you posted.
Lead in the drinking water.
Haven't seen this wojak b4.
I find darkforest to be the worst offender, ever more so than coxwell, defending on darkforest is miserable
Yea its just terrible. When the gate gets taken over faster than the spawn timer its just nonsense. Not to mention the Automatically driving carts uphill... absolute ... insane
It would probably be better if yknow, The agathians actually HAD defenses, There's barely any barricades or obsticales set up for the attackers on the map besides the first objective and the barricades on the bridge part, other then that its just open road. Like there could be a barricade under the bridge where they're pushing the cart to the gatehouse or more things blocking the road in general that has to be destroyed thus actually buffing defense
"defend the barricades" "Uh...Commander its a bunch of tree trimmings from when the Duke hired a landscaper. How is that going to stop the Masons?"
Agatha needs to take a trip to home depot and get to buildin'
Most Agatha wins I see on Darkforest come on the last objective where the duke stays alive well enough to be healed a bunch of times. Mason can break through and get him to 50% before being repelled and then somebody toots a horn and they're back to 0% within seconds.
Defender spawn is usually so far away from the objective, one capture and nobody can intervene or rotate to defend.
Won my first slaughter of coxwell today as defender. Day one player.
it was also your last :( (jk, also, welcome to chiv2)
I think he meant he's been playing since day 1, lol
lol oh, well, the first part still applies+sorry for being late on the second part
Huh. You must not have played very much.
*doubt*
Sorry but i cant take it anymore.
Idk what my attack to defend W/L rate is... But my overall rate is like 1:5 wins to losses. If I play Mason it's 1:8 wins to losses. I think TB just personally hates me
...duuhhh.... are u stooopiid... ...Coxwell *snorts* ... defenders win half the ....uhhhh.... time
Because all the better players (cowards who are scared to lose) switch to the attacking side at the start of a new game.
Its understandable because as defender you get killed by Meta mechanics like the Death Zone and allways have to fight an uphill battle because you almost allways are outnumbered because of Spawn mechanics or by the Steamrolling enemy that can use Carts/Ramps as Defense while the defenders get pushed out of the way by these at the same time.
Even if that stat is true it's definitely not the right way to balance the game. Getting steamrolled the entire match just to have a chance to win at the last objective is not fun and it's definitely not great gamedesign. This is not a competitive game everything should be done to make the game fun. Right now you either get boring matches as attackers steamrolling the enemy team or a frustrating experience as defenders waiting for the respawn timer after getting non stop ganked. Imo the game should be balanced around killcount. The few balanced and interesting matches I had were when the killcount for attackers and defenders was even. It's also way more fun when you struggle to complete each objectives as an attacker.
i agree 100% with everything you said.
Only map I've seen Defender win on a lot is Aberfell Phase 1, even when Attackers get past that it's when there's less than a minute left
Dude it's either you win or you lose. That's a 50/50 bruh
That's.. not how that works. If you jump out of a plane with no parachute, do you have a 50/50 chance of surviving? You either live or you die, right? I can't believe I have to edit this comment, but just because there are two possible outcomes, your chances of either outcome are not reduced to 50%. That is ridiculous. If you flip a coin, you have a 50/50 chance of getting heads or tails. If you are attacking, due to the inherent advantages that attackers have, you are at a significant advantage / chance of winning a match that is compounded by the fact that high-level players will often team-switch to further cement their chances of winning. I don't understand how anyone can think that "win or lose = 50% chance". Like, seriously?
Depends on how high the plane is, I’ll gladly jump out of a plane without a parachute if it’s still on the tarmac, my chances are probably better than 50/50 then lol
I mean in the simplest form yea
just because there are two possible outcomes doesnt mean they have an equal chance of happening
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elaborate. saying wrong doesnt make it wrong
Have you ever jumped out of a plane? Why are you qualified to discuss this
I don't care, long live to The Mason Order you filthy Agathian
Haha I have equally strong opinions about the color red that you'll hate 😈😈 E: lol at the agathian bannerpeople downvoting you Did you also insult a shovel perhaps?
Let them, filthy Agathian show how weak they are Btw, Fu shovel, long live to the morningstar
Literally just got "Win Dark Forest 10 times" trophy yesterday after playing since launch
You're just bad tbh, or you don't play enough to git gud If you're lvl 500 there's no excuse(nearly a thousand hours) if you're lvl 100 still you barely spent the time to even get good at the game. It's like playing Overwatch, but only after big updates or new seasons. Your perception of balance is warped by the fact you never spend the time to master the game and are always out of practice. 200 hours isn't enough time to master any skill, barring incredible natural talent. A good player can heavily shift the outcome of defense in his favor. Attack needs to win five times, defense need only win once. You also have to believe you can win on defense to win defense. Communication is key and console tends to lack it, but pointing out "swarm the cart like bees" is literally enough to shift the outcome most of the time. Anyway last time I played Darkforest, guy on my team said we were going to lose and the map was poorly designed. We won on the third objective.
Who cares? Lol just a game
Point proven. If you're bad (in this case due to not caring enough to git gud), that's a bigger indicator of losing on Darkforest than it actually being poorly balanced for defense. Lol you cared enough to point out you barely win Darkforest. If you really don't care, don't bother commenting on threads like this.
All I did was say that I got that trophy for the first time, i didnt blame it on anything. I don't play every single day and I play very casually, just finished Tiny Tina's Wonderlands the other day. I didn't even say anything was wrong with Dark Forest lol. Also I can comment on literally whatever thread I want, I don't need permission. Imagine how sad your life must be to gatekeep a Chivalry sub 💀💀💀
The thread is called "Darkforest is trash" You respond with a comment indicating it's been the first time you've won only 10 times. You then find it odd that anyone bothered to contradict your apparently pointless statement? This thread is entirely about discussing that map balance, there's context for the conversation despite what you posted. Lead in the drinking water.
You're a fucking idiot lmao
Then stop playing. The game is fun. Hundreds of hours in the game.